3) Red car should yield to the blue car already in the intersection, but the blue car should have seen the red car coming and waited at the red light before turning.
The blue car SHOULD have yielded to the red car as they did not have time to make the right on red without impairing the red car, but since the blue car is already partially in the lane the red car needs to yield to avoid a collision. Edit - If there was a police car that saw this interaction I would expect them to cite the blue car for failure to yield on a right turn on red.
Impairing, think you should change that to impeeding because it would most definitely could be possible for the red to hit the brakes and avoid the damage :D
Sorta.... We have not been given any other facts or information on the occurrence. We have to assume that the blue car came to a complete stop (as they have a red light before them), then proceeded into the intersection. Assuming the red car was further back and an assuming that red car was not exceeding the posted speed limit there would be enough time to enter the intersection. Once into the intersection the blue has the right of way. It sucks because we all know that cars roll the intersection a d never stop... And once these drivers make the right turn they tend to drive slow and are usually oblivious to the us in the red car who are now irritated
@Graham Holmes Driver instructor would've held the brakes on you lol As you said if the car was stopped you would have to assume they stopped for 3 seconds or more, you will have to assess weather or not there is going to be a car just about in the intersection after the 3 second rule you're required to stop. If they had properly waited the 3 seconds and assessed if the driver will be in the intersection or not would had to be a perfect assessment, yes it may happen but I highly doubt that it would be intentional unless you're race for a living
@Skrin19 Impossible when dead zone is a thing, when going after yellow there is something called dead zone for a couple of seconds each light will be red for the reason of letting everyone out of an intersection.
If this happened in Las Vegas, the red car would rear end the blue car and speed off and the blue car would chase the red car down trying to rear end him in a fit of road rage.
Sometimes that is your only Reasonable action in order to catch a Hit and Run which I believe is a felony in some states. Police do pit maneuvers all the time just for speeding and they are trying to protect other drivers on the road.
I’d like to see a second opinion on this. Blue car should have waited as red car had right of way per green light? It’s a hazard when a slow driver interferes with flow of traffic causing you to brake from your speed. It’s a nuisance
The blue car shouldn't have entered the intersection but this scenario is with the blue car already in the intersection. When the red car sees that the intersection isn't clear, they have to yield.
Red has to prevent an accident, and thus must yield. Blue, depending on speeds and other considerations, could possibly be cited for an illegal turn. Separate issues.
Stop on red, right turn allowed if no on coming cross traffic. If blue car jumps out in front of red car which has a green light, regardless of red cars timing on entering intersection on a green light, blue car violated stop and proceed on right if only clear roadway, not interfering which cross traffic. Good way to envoke road rage!
Red car had no choice but to yield because the blue car was already in the intersection. A lot of existing drivers don't know the responsibility of avoiding getting into a collision. So too many times, I would see the red car try to teach the blue car a "lesson" by honking and scaring the blue car.
The blue car had the legal requirement to visually clear that there were no approaching vehicles. Honking isn’t to scare them. Honking is literally to be used to signal a dangerous situation, like turning into an active lane with traffic coming.
If the blue car stopped at the red light and looked, the blue car should have seen the red car coming down a straight stretch of road with a green light and yielded right of way before proceeding into the intersection. (?). Did blue car stop and look or just run the red light ?
This is in addition to blue entering intersection is a example of “Protected Right and if the state in this scenario allowed right on red after complete stop and no markings to indicate that right on red wasn’t allowed then Blue first all day long. Forget about blame on event accident….follow basic common sense, law and courtesy and do what you safely can to avoid the accident in the first place then….nobody is at fault.
@Stephen Cannon So there's no rule to yield to traffic when turning right on a red? :O lmao, legally speaking car in blue if was hit is in the wrong. Yes slow down and avoid the blue car but legally even with what you had said would still be in the wrong
@Stephen Cannon Let me give you a scenario on red turning right and see if you get it, most people I have to honk my horn. You're wanting to turn right on a red but the opposite side of traffic is turning left and has the arrow. The road you will be turning on is two lanes, when should you enter the turn and when shouldn't you? A entering with the left turners or B wait? Anwser is A, if you wait and there's others behind you that is considered impeding traffic. No where in the rules that someone can swing wide UNLESS which is the 2nd part of my question when not too. Because you're at the red and the left has the green you have to make the judgement if you can turn or not. If there is a truck with a trailer (or any long vehicle) will have to make a wide turn and hence you need to yield to the truck... So yes the blue car would've had to yield in the first place.
for example in Europe, if the blue car was already in the intersection and green light came to the red car, then you MUST yield to the blue, but if the blue enters in this intersection on red light, it's a violation. The blue can turn right only if there is an alternative green light to major traffic light.
Don't need a green light if there is a green arrow sign (at least in Germany - one of the few differences between East and West German rules where we picked the East German version).
@@KaiHenningsenDon't take it for granted anywhere else. You'll get cited in many places for entering an intersection on red, no matter where you go or why. (Some people seem to think an emergency vehicle with lights on gives them permission to ignore red to allow the emergency vehicle through.)
@@StefanVeenstra I have no clue if any other places have that green arrow sign, but surely if there are any, that *would* allow one to do it when the lights are otherwise red. And if it's not there, it's illegal in Germany, too. However, I believe the emergency vehicle thing *is* true over here, but it doesn't allow you to cross against traffic, just to maneuver enough to let them through while being careful not to cause any new problems. Indeed, a quick google suggests that it is actually *required.*
@@hayloft3834 A green arrow is a dark metal plate with a green arrow right mounted right next to the traffic light which allows you to turn right even on a red light IF it's safe to do so. It was something introduced in the old GDR, but taken up across Germany after reunification. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_on_red#Europe
The two issues are entirely distinct. While the blue car may have turned illegally, the moment they are where they are, the red car has to avoid exacerbating the situation and thus yield. That's no different in German code. The beginning of the German code already points out that participating in traffic requires constant vigilance and mutual consideration. You're also required to act in such a fashion as to not unduly endanger or hinder others - and that's regardless of THEIR conduct. Just because someone else is driving recklessly, that doesn't mean you're justified to do the same. Your having right of way in principle doesn't help you a bit when you're six feet under.
In my country right on red doesn't exist, you either have a seperate green arrow, which only is green when no conflicting traffic, or the turn lane is seperated by an island and may have a give way, or stop sign.
@@cheeseballs3825 Even if it is hard to believe, Europeans usually drive on the right side. Though there are some people living on isolated islands who insist on driving on the wrong side ;-)
Blue car never should've started the turn if it didn't have time to complete it, and would likely be ruled at fault were an accident to occur, but if it's already out in the intersection blocking the lane red should brake and yield to avoid an accident.
Unfortunately, the red car would be cited for failing to avoid the accident, unless there is an additional witness who saw blue fail to fully stop at the red light before turning; red car would (probably) not have a clear view of blue's earlier actions (and where the stop line on the cross street was) to advance that claim to the police or court. Geography and lines of sight are unstated here.
The blue car broke the law by not stopping at a red light. You can turn right on red but you still have to come to a stop first and wait for the road and walkway to be clear. The red car is only yielding to the blue car to avoid an accident. I think a fuller explanation was warranted of the situation. A lot of people don't understand that you have stop first at a red light and then make your right turn.
While I agree with the analysis I disagree as well. This is very contextual. The Red Car is not stopped as it has a green light. Let's say the Red Car is traveling at the posted speed limit of 30 mph (44 feet per second so 2 to 3 seconds to cross the intersection) and the blue car is in the stopped position. With the Blue Car entering the intersection from a stopped position along with a clear line of sight to clearly see the Red Car the Blue car is actually interfering with traffic flow and putting others at risk of injury. Now, add that most intersections like this are littered with other safety issues such as pedestrians, cyclists, dogs, etc. Add also the issue of weather, this appears to be a dry day with stopping distances for the vehicles at their best. But what if it's a wet or snowy day... Again, this is contextual. The intersection should be clear of vehicles, and it should be safe to enter the intersection without any oncoming traffic. This all assumes the jurisdiction permits rights on red as not all jurisdictions or intersections permit rights on red.
In the first example, if it would be, that the rule is "you can turn right, when red", the blue car has to wait, because green light has priority. In East Germany was the rule, to turn right, when red and the way is free, in 1977 it was limited to crossings with an additional sign.
I am almost happy to see that it seems that US drivers too have problems to lower speed at yellow traffic lights and finally stop at red ones. It is exactly same here in germany.
No matter you have so much road rage in the US. If it's red it's red here in Europe. The only time that blue car could go through is if it would have been a green light with a right turning arrow on it and a separate right turning lane.
Plus, right on red endangers pedestrians and cyclists. However, now that blue has entered the intersection, the only safe option red has is to yield. Their path through the intersection isn't clear, therefore they shouldn't enter the intersection.
3. The blue car stopping doesn't let the red car past. The red car isn't in a situation where they can pass blue car whether they speed up or not. The only option is to yield to the blue car, even though the blue car already violated the law.
In this case, Blue Car should have double checked since Red Car was likely close enough to the intersection to have waited. Just because you CAN make a right on red does not mean that you MUST make a right on red. Though yes, I would have slowed down and honked my horn since that was a very dangerous maneuver.
Blue car didn’t run red light. Unless stated, you can make right turns on a red light after making a complete stop. What the blue car can be sighted for is not making a safe turn, making a turn when it’s not clear to do so.
@lemontea128 That doesn't negotiate yielding, if you got caught you would be charged. Not sure if it would fall under failing to stop at a red light or failing to forgot the right words for it but basically traffic devices
@@lemontea128 The blue car must not only come to a complete stop, but must also yield to oncoming green light traffic (the red car). The blue car can only make the turn if there is sufficient clearance when he begins his turn (after stopping). However, once the blue car has entered the intersection, he has the obligation, by law, to clear the intersection; and the red car must yield. If an collision happened in this example, the blue car could be cited for improper right turn on red (failure to stop, failure to yield, etc). Or, the red car could be cited for failing to avoid an accident. There are a number of factors that are not mentioned in the example. In my state, there is a clause in the law called "Last clear chance". It means that, even if the other vehicle broke the rules, if you can avoid the collision, but don't, you can be found at fault for the accident.
Red car has right of way but your right red car has to yield in order to prevent collision however blue car deserves ticket for Failure to yield right of way.
If red car is stoped on intersection, he can allow blue to proceed.If the red car was already in motion and was on its regular speed, the error was for blue car.
the thing is clear in Germany! 1) The blue car passed the red traffic light without permission. If the police see that, your driver's license will be gone. Despite the mistake, the red car has to be careful. But note that the police, ambulance and fire brigade with blue lights have the right to run red lights and always have the right of way.
Well, the signage would clearly have to be different in Germany - there are no double yellow lines. If you translate those, then translating the rest would mean the red light should have a green arrow sign allowing to turn right on red. In which case, the rules are exactly as in the US.
This would be right turn on red situation in the US, which is legal so long as the road is clear and there are no markings forbidding it. The issue is that the road wasn't clear. Which is why they would likely be cited for it. It wouldn't be treated the same as ignoring the traffic light entirely, though.
Don't know how many times I've had to slam on my brakes because of someone making a right on red with no regard for on coming traffic. It's really a pain when it's a divided highway and I'm making a legal U turn.
I ended up in a ditch and ruining my front bumper because I had the green light and just before I could pass the intersection a truck attempted to start accelerating from their red light. I panicked and didn't want to risk getting rear ended as I know how powerful trucks can be so I tried to pull over onto the shoulder where there wasn't much room to maneuver with signs and shrubs. I see people all the time starting to accelerate in front of others at extremely close and unsafe distances instead of waiting the extra few seconds for them to pass. People also like to run right through stop signs/white lines and not stop even with oncoming traffic that has priority road rules.
@@Midala87 my late husband and I ended up in a field about 40 years ago because of someone who didn't yield. We chased them down for just in case we had damage. They told him, you were going to fast to stop anyway.
This scenario only exists when the blue car is in fact running a red light. Under those circumstances I am just glad I live in Australia where RED on all occasions means STOP. For those who ignore a RED light will be held accountable.....
3) ...because the Blue car has already entered the intersection. IF... 1) the Blue car stops to let the Red car pass then the Red car could cause a head on collision with oncoming traffic. 2) the Red car would have had to speed up prior to the Blue car reaching the stop light.
If the answer isn't 3, the US highway code is deeply flawed. The answer in the UK is 3 btw, as our highway code was written with the understanding that you can't have rules for every eventuality, so we have the catch-all rule of, *only proceed when it is safe to do so*.
Make a video showing what a car does at a stop sign when a person is in the crosswalk. Show how long a car should stop at a stop sign. A complete stop. It seems people can’t be bothered to do the basics when driving.
This can be open to debate. But if the blue car was engaged before that the red can be noticeable, the red car should let the blue car to turn first. This was a similar accident in my city, were the blue car was in fact a city bus making a left turn in front of the red car. There was a collision and the red car was declared responsible because the city bus was already engaged.
Well, blue car would get ticket from photo enforcement camera if entering intersection on red light, as well as a trip to driving school to learn road rule
There are factors in this situation where the blue car was committed on the turn with no car in sight but the red car came on at a 2x the speed limit.The key here is to avoid an accident, so the red car should yield.
The conditions given in the setup do not state that the red car was out of sight when the blue car began its turn, and the diagram doesn't show anything (curving road, buildings, etc.) that would interfere with line of sight. Speed is neither included in the diagram nor mentioned in the setup conditions, _and cannot be assumed_ even if it is a reasonable explanation for how this situation arose. Especially when there's another, simple, real-world explanation that fits all observed conditions and adds nothing new -- the blue car driver saw the red car but decided to commit to the turn anyway, judging that its turn would be complete before the red car arrived! Of course, misjudging this in real life would result in an accident.
The internet is full of fail videos that show the situation is not understood by everyone. If blue car entered long after the light turned red and red car was going at allowed speed there will be an accident. If the lights just changed red car still has time to yield and blue car can proceed.
This is fine and all, but i’ve seen police footage where a bus entered the intersection right as the light turned red, possibly after, and turned left. There was enough time that an oncoming car had a green light, didn’t slow down, and then the bus went in front of them. The police blamed the driver, instead of the bus.
So apparently there are only two rules to follow while operating a motor vehicle; 1) as the driver of a car you can drive how you want and do what you want, because; 2) it is the responsibility of the OTHER drivers on the road to avoid colliding with YOUR vehicle. Yeah everyone needs to yield to the asshole driving around however they please!
It's annoying AF to pull over to let everyone pass you despite going 6 miles over steady. It leads to more wear and tear and expensive tow truck bills and increased gas consumption because everyone wants to speed 15+
@@Midala87 I agree with ya one-hundred percent. People will tailgate because they're pissed about ya going too SLOW. If I'm going five over the posted speed, how am I going too slow? I never thought about the wear and tear on my vehicle and poorer gas milage. It's the increased risk of being rear-ended by some A-hole who thinks the rules don't apply to THEM! I don't think they're mad about us driving too SLOW, they're actually mad because we're driving down THEIR road and being in their way!
@@SabentHD Yeah, I don't like to be tailgated. Of course it depends where I'm driving. If I'm in a big city I can understand the tailgate. It's the only way to fit everyone on the roadway at the same time. lol
4) Blue car should roll back, that red car can pass... And if not, red car is right, but it's not allowed to force the own right. I would stop and let the blue car finish.
The blue car should have stopped as it can't clear the intersection before the light turns red. So the blue car has to stop. The red car has a green light and can travel though.
Votre question est ambigue, dans cette situation, la priorité est au véhicule rouge, et si un accident était arrivé, le véhicule bleu doit être tenu responsable. Cependent, afin d'éviter un tel accident, le véhicule rouge doit essayer de ralentir, et si nécessaire s'arrêter, pour laisser le temps au véhicule bleu de compléter sa manoeuvre déjà entamé illégalement ou inhabillement.
blue should have stopped, as he is only allowed to turn right on a red signal, if there is no traffic on the road with the green signal. but in the situation in the picture its already to late, so the red car must brake. and acclerate is almost never the right thing to do, except if you wanna enter a highway. So, if we apply this situation to germany, the blue car has already ran the red light. from the looks of it, the traffic light is >1 second red, which means 228€ fine and 1 month ban from driving. In Germany you are only allowed to turn right on a red light, if the traffic light has an additional green arrow and this would count similar to a stop sign.
Uuuummm...it IS illegal to run a red light. At a red light you are supposed to come to a full stop and remain stopped until the light changes. The exception to this is the Right Turn On Red, which involves coming to a full stop, making sure there is no oncoming traffic in the lanes you will be crossing, and then proceeding.
@@legionaireb reading comments I remember the advice my driving instructor gave me: "drive as though all other drivers are idiots". It has served me well in 60+ years of driving. Pax
Listen to the scenario. The blue car came to a full stop and then began a Turn Right On Red maneuver BEFORE the red car approached the intersection. Because the blue car was in the intersection before the red car reached it, the blue car has the right-of-way.
sorry but blue car on a red light has to wait until the road is clear but if you have 2 lanes and traffic is not busy lick 10pm to 3am then red goes to fast lane so blue can take the right lane
Only red is allowed to go, blue has a red light, must have a STOP Red However, he should stop for a moment on the transverse stop line in front of the light and move on, because he has the right of way Signs on the road are also important !
Im not sure about this , the green has always right of way. Blue car should have stopped. I think this is a very dangerous issue and they should change the law.
Blue should have stopped for red light & on coming traffic. Red car will be forced to yield if possible & take evasive action possibly causing an accident when they had the right away.
That red car would have to be going extremely slowly for this not to have been a bad move by the blue car. Right turn on red must yield to everyone. Absolutely everyone. So if the blue car is making the red car slow, that's failure to yield. This is the same as those people who stop at a stop sign and then plow through traffic thinking they've done what they're supposed to do. It doesn't matter that the blue car is already in the intersection if the red car hits it. Green light has right of way over right turn on red.
If there is an accident the car turning into traffic will be found liable 100% of the time, even if the red car is speeding and blew through a stop sign off screen to the left of the image.
if you're going to make the car w/green light brake to yield to you, you shouldn't pull out. It's the same as a Stop sign - don't make them brake. Nothing like going along at 35 and having to brake for an idiot turning at 25. At 45 to 25 - crash. Common sense. Besides most idiots don't even stop for the red, they just keep driving and turn in front of you.
Wrong. Number 1 Is correct, 3 is so wrong. The blue car has a red light and should turn right only when its safe to do so…just because he entered the intersection first does not make it right if the blue car slammed into him. Red car has the green and obviously has the right away.
red car (green light) as right of way the blue car should not be in the intersection if traffic is coming if there was an accident, blue car would be at fault common sense
You should have mentioned if the blue car had stopped at the red or not , before proceeding . There are a lot of stupid posts on this one . Yes , he is already in the intersection . This means he has taken possession of it . if there is a crash , the blue cars lawyer will say "the red car proceeded , when it was NOT safe to do so ". Better set-up next vid .
