Frog is such an important, honorable and well-written character, I just have to have him the whole game no matter if he's worse haha. His storyline made me emotional
Because of how overpowered Crono and Robo are, it ironically makes Marle a very good character because she can manage all healing while also buffing those two. Also, Robo can dish out Dark, Electric and Fire damage so having Marle helps round out your elemental coverage.
@@swigzby Crono's crit is significantly less than Ayla's. I'm speaking from a point when all levels are maxed out as is strength 255+. Multiple playthroughs and tabs, best equipment, much time spend on the Black Omen leveling up. Edit: It's been a long time, apparently Bronze Fist is higher tier than Iron Fist. When I played a long time ago on SNES I had all characters lvl 99, maxed most stats and Ayla was insane when she would Crit. Crono would crit often but it was around 2K tops, Ayla would crit for 9999.
Her heal kinda sucks though. I’d say Top Tier as well. She only has single target heals and her heal doesn’t heal for much. Though charm is really useful.
@@InfinityZeroEX Not true, end game she can heal I believe for close to full life, her and Frog can do slurp kiss for 2MP each and fully heal the party.
I always felt that Ayla is the best overall. Powerhouse that can steal megaelixers and Speed tabs and eventually hitting 9999 damage with her crits. Also she has an added bonus to heal.
sure, but it decreases stats, so i don't bother. actually i don't bother with magus anyway. i'll let him learn his techs on death peak and then he's out of sight
Back in the day when I first played it on the PS1 I was struggling in the early game by having Marle...I swapped her for Robo just to permeantly experiment...she was henceforth benched.
Once Marle learned Haste, she's been a life saver in my first playthrough. Even more so when she learned Life 2, and pretty much became a staple in my party.
Life 2 isn’t as good as a party heal. It’s what makes Robo so good. Think of it this way, if you’re constantly having to revive party members using a turn and MP on another character, you are wasting a turn in which damage could be dealt killing a boss or strong mob.
@@InfinityZeroEX The thing is, my party members rarely died because I actually know how to use Marle right. Have her use Haste on all party members during big fights, Ice2 when she can. If she needs to heal or revive someone, she can. You guys can say all you want she's "Shit Tier" but I know otherwise.
@@MattSpearsInfiniteOni Life 2's upgrade from its first one is simply to make the HP healing full tbh, most of the time you'd rather use Elixirs on someone you res'sed with Life or Revive because chances are that they spent a lot of MP before dying as well. And Haste as a spell becomes somewhat obsolete once you get Haste Helms tbh, which sure, Prism Helms might be better in Black Omen due to the high chances of Chaos being inflicted in your characters w/o Status Immunity, but aside from that, a helmet that provides Haste ALL THE TIME instead of a dedicated spell from one character that wears out after a certain amount of time is just significantly better.
Chrono, Ayla, and Frog were one of my go-to teams. Frog has a cure all tech by himself, and his double tech with Ayla (Slurp-kiss) eventually becomes one of the best healing abilities in the game since it recovers status ailments too if I remember correctly. Plus it only costs 1 MP each! Their triple tech did major damage as well since I believe it was wind based, and very few enemies had a resistance to wind. During the time Chrono was absent I subbed in Robo. Give him speed tablets and a good magic blocking armor and he's good to go!
My go to has always been Crono, Ayla, and Marle. I'm just old school in that I need a great healer. Chrono and Ayla double techs can handle just about anything (falcon hit anyone?) and the triple tech Final Kick is a great attack for targeting the Lavos Core in the final battle. I also used Haste a lot. Another good combo for me was Crono, Marle, and Lucca. The antipod 3 dual tech while Crono did Luminaire worked pretty well for devastating "all enemy" attacks. I really do wish Magus had dual and triple techs (that did not require the use of an item). Having him tear enemies up while teaming with other party members would have been great. Once Robo gets the ribbon from his side quest his speed becomes high enough for me to justify spending speed tabs on him, but it was too late in the game for me to ever really use him consistently. Speed was always the name of my game. If you can hit fast twice, its better than hitting hard once as far as I was concerned. Frog, despite the great story behind him, always got lost in the background for me from a usefulness standpoint. Not as strong as Crono or Ayla. Not as magical as Lucca or Magus. Not as good of a healer as Marle or Robo. It's a shame really. He is the red mage of Chrono Trigger.
While Marle is definitely the bottom most, she is the heart of the group for sure. If she wasn’t around Lucca and Crono when they discovered what Lavos is, I’d be hard pressed to believe that they’d feel compelled to fight back against Lavos. Remember, she begs the group to do the right thing. Her moral compass is on point.
Solid list! I think Chrono Trigger does a pretty good job of giving all characters a chance to shine at one point or another, but if pressed I'd rank the characters exactly like this.
I’m about halfway through, just did the magus fight and I’ve always kept Marle on my team cuz she’s one of my favorites. But this video did reinforce a lot of issues I’ve had with her so far. At this point I’ll prolly swap her for Robo or Lucca as much as it pains me to do so
I’m currently playing this game for the first time ever with the same characters you chose. (Chrono, Marle, & frog) and I’m just fought Nizbel. The last two bosses have been rough fights where I basically out lasted the opponent purely because I had stacks upon stacks of health. It’s been tough but I’m dedicated to the characters.
Cool video. I played Chrono Trigger for the first time ever this year. I went with Chrono, Lucca, and Ayla and it was a bloodbath. I did not lose a single battle with the exception of trying to early fight the final boss. That party is pure offense and really fun. Gonna do a second playthru at some point with Robo and Ayla.
I love Lucca and Marle. Those two and chrono are my optimal team. I’ve never been able to really get on the Robo train. I just love Marle’s double and triple tech’s.
Hey! Would you create a ranking for Final Fantasy V or XII: ZE jobs? I'd be really interested in hearing your ranking, especially how I usually felt FFV's jobs to be kinda overwhelming with the amount.
I have always done Chrono, Magus, Marle. Especially end game Marle - Haste - Perma Heal - life 2. Always support never attack Magus - Spam Dark matter Chronic - Spam Lumineer and that 4 attack combo tech You can get a max of 2 gold studs reduces MP cost by 75%. Makes Spam East Double techs and triple techs not needed. With that set up. Further more double techs and triple techs really not worth it. Lumineer and dark matter alone but combined to more damage than pretty much everything. For sure every double tech You can literally beat this game with Chrono and Marle alone Robo biggest problem is how much damage he takes especially with lighting. He has a huge Achilles heal in that area. Sure there is an item which reduces this. However you want gold studs on your DPS out puts. Most OP items in the game Once the game is down any characters can be used. The above set up is what I found was fastest and most OP for End game
Can be offset with armor/accessories. One armor example would be the white armor which absorbs lightning damage. You can give him magic defense accessories and Robo with magic and speed tabs becomes a god. Marle’s single spell support sucks. With Robo healing the whole party you’ll never need Life 2.
I always ran marle, chrono and ayla for Aura whirl, falcon hit, aylas huge crits with the retaliate item, marles life 2 (ressurect on full HP), haste, double charm, and marles crossbow targeting that tells you enemy hp which helps planning attacks/damage.
I think you should consider the end game, where you can max stats and the regular story play through seperately. Robo may have the best tec pool and the best physical bulk, but he had the lowest magic, magic defense and speed at the start of the game which gave me trouble at some times.
All depends on your strat. You can haste and utilize the hunting range twice as fast, and hit up Medina for the OP items, or jack everyone with charm. Frog is a good complimentary even though when you look at him as an individual he is 2nd or 3rd to last. How do want to fight? Do you care about speed running? Do you care about item collection rate? When you ask yourself all this the tier list changes under each parameter.
For me it was always Crono, Ayla, and Magus. Crono, because he's your best all-rounder. Ayla, because she hits first and hard and asks questions later assuming she ever asks. Plus her various attack animations are hilarious. Watching Ayla suplex a dinosaur is always a treat. Magus, because if he lifts a finger or twitches an eyebrow all the things die or wish they were dead. His spellcasting is superb and when you kick this much a$$ you don't worry about double or triple techs. The only problem I have with him is his modest physical attack power and the sheer lack of single-target spells. For him it's all or nothing. Mass genocide is his game.
In ds, steam and ios version, there is a better weapon for him, it does 4x damage when critical, you can combine with the dragon tear (boost critical rate). I ve never max out my team (except once for Spekkio last form), Magus is a life saver for low level run, because he s on level 37, and has a great magic résistance with his shadowplume robe!
Yup, that's usually how my party goes, Crono, Robo & Ayla, maybe Lucca from time to time, I feel bad for Marle & Frog though. Magus is pretty nice too, shame he doesn't have any Doubles or Triples with anyone.
Didn't complete this game when it was new, so been doing a full playthrough at the moment. I was definitely cracking skulls in Magus's castle using Robo as the optional slot. Poor Slash got triple teched into mush. My only gripe thus far is the game could use a hard mode.
i always have lucca in my party, except to have someone learn their techs. so lucca, robo and chrono most of the time. except when there is something good to charm like tabs or rainbow helms
Lmao, Robo was least used member. Ayla is #1 After many double digit playthroughs, healing was always a pain with the Ultimate Spekkio at the end of time. It wasn't until I found that Frog and Ayla could heal the entire party for 1mp, or 2mp, each with slurp kiss (999 heal). Then whomever else was on the team could do magic damage to Spekkio. Once you max out Ayla's strength and get Bronze Fist, her critical attacks would do 9999 dmg. I remember giving her frenzy band and fighting black tyrannosaurus during a playthrough. He did his countdown roar and she countered with 9999, he died. Mind you this was during the part where he was resilient vs attacks. She just bulldozed that, destroying him. Ayla was a critical character if you've played that much, imho. She completely ignores defense with Bronze Fist, unless it is a magic only enemy, even them some still take 9999, otherwise it'll be a Miss. Even the Lavos Spawn shells can be crit'd by Ayla for 9999, instantly killing them or glitching it. I can't remember but do remember trying it once. Some funny shit happens when you get Bronze Fist using Ayla.
It's true but no double techs, also doesn't have all that great of synergy with other characters due to this. This is why I didn't find him to be all that great on a team.
Frog and robo can aoe heal pretty good along with good DPS and magus not that good but can make the strongest triple tech with robo and lucca, "omega flare" or "omega beam"
Magus has the best triple tech with Lucca and Robo: Omega Flare. So I'd swap Crono out for him. I'd also put Frog below Marle since Frog has too much overlap with other characters. Single healing is not that great for Marle but haste is useful until you get 3 haste helms.
I always end up with a team of Magus, Lucca, and Robo by the end. moot points but: a) i think magus is the best solo character thanks to the doomsickle b) he does have access to two triple techs, though it is a drag that you have to waste an item slot on one of your party members to use it tbh though i think the roster is fairly well-balanced, so i guess at the end of the day the best characters are really just whoever you dump your tabs into ;p
Triple techs all kind of suck anyway. What he’s missing out on are double techs, but not that he needs them with Dark Matter, though it doesn’t deal as much damage as Luminere.
@@InfinityZeroEX the only really good triple tech is Final Kick, it has the highest single attacl damage in the game and makes the lavos boss fight a cake walk even on a first run if you gold stud Ayla
Funny how a big chunk of the Triple techs in this game are not even remotely more powerful or useful than most Double or even some Single techs! Yes, I am looking at you Poyozo Dance! Ugh! I love the ones that involve Magus. Dark Eternal and Omega Flare are too cool to bypass! Another amazing video bro!!
Imo 7Th: Frog (sorry but his only good attack rely on having him with 1 HP) 6Th: Marle (Haste is the reason she's above frog) 5Th: Crono 4Th: Lucca (Crono Is slightly more versatile but she is more efficient) (spamming flare > anything crono can do as a solo unit) 3d: Magus (Elemental versatility and some minor support with his Magic Wall) And to me the first place is tied with Ayla and Robo. Ayla and charm make her unskipabble for certain bosses or the black omen, besides she is the fastest and strongest character and the only one who can cure aliment status as a solo unit. And Robo for his versatility, AOE Heals, multi elemental skills, and his Uzzi Punch might be there strongest solo unit ST skill there is. Great video!! You are so underrated ! Let's go for the 10K subs :D
Uzzi Punch I remember being weaker than Crono's Confuse, less damage. Confuse would do 4 hits of 461dmg. Uzzi punch was around 1350. Uzzi Punch was slightly less MP to use though. End game, everyone lvl 99, I used Crono, Frog, Ayla. I could swap out Frog for Robo after watching another video where endgame Robo's heal skill yields 999. Pretty crazy! Frog and Ayla's double tech Slurp Kiss, also did that for 2 MP each.
Up until the DS remake, the unequivocal best party was Chrono, Robo and Frog. They were the only combination that could use both the nova armour- which prevented status effects- and the haste helm- which gave automatic haste, obviously. Any of the female characters unfortunately had to choose between status protection with the Prism Helm, OR haste from the haste helm. On top of that, robo and frog both have mid-level full party heals, on top of a full party full heal double tech. And don’t even get me started on triple raid/delta attack! Until you can get gold studs for the whole party, its damage output compared to MP is incomparable. With the remakes and updates I’m honestly not as sure what would have officially changed, but it’s always so fun to blow through things on new game plus
Lol I used frog, marle, and crono first. Not bad but then... crono, robo, ayla. You can literally beat the sh** out of any enemy before they can make you feel like you need healing.
Screw it. Nadia (that's her real name) gives haste, and together with Chrono and Ayla they have a really nice variety of options to heal, combine physical with magical, and purely physical attacks. Falcon hit proved itself to be a banger when fighting lavos, and That triple kick with Nadia Chrono and Ayla is just awesome. Edit: it's called final kick, and uses magic from crono, Nádia and physical attack from ayla
Crono, Frog, and Magus was my first party, but Crono, Robo, and Ayla is probably the best, with Ayla able to do some massive damage, even better than Crono debatably and Robo for healing and decent damage output, even if he is a bit slow, but that's why speed tabs exist.
Does anyone know of this list would differ between the SNES and NDS versions? As from what I can see Frog seems to have a higher following in the SNES version? Sid they alter the character balance for the remake?
I have been playing with Chrono, Ayla, Robo and seem to be crushing enemies. Plus I watched a video that shows that their Triple Tech has Shadow element. And alot of Ayla and Robo attacks seem to do heavy damage.
I think Frog is deceptively useful, largely carried by having excellent dual and triple techs. X-strike is good reliable damage in his first appearance. Ice Water is an excellent room clearing option in Magus' Castle. Triple Raid sucks late game, but it's likely the only Triple tech available for the Magus fight. Arc Impulse and 3D Attack are the two hardest hitting normal triple techs, and Spin Strike is the most powerful one using one of the rocks, and Frog is required for all of them. Slurp Kiss is the most efficient full party heal in the game. Frog is a perfect example of why the party composition is greater than the sum of its parts.
truth be told i avoided using robo when first playing this game this is do to his low magic def stat and me just not liking him not haveing any real magic made me just not use him in fact my go to team was lucca and marle.
yeah I think this game is pretty well balanced, he put Marle n shit tier but she's still great and totally usable. I remember the first time I beat the game I replayed the final boss with the remaining party members, though I gotta admit I've always been a very patient player for level grinding so I probably was overleveled for Lavos. But still Marle is great
Marle: Very bad single techs but dual techs are some of the best in the game, like antipode bomb and dual cure. Also the only character who gets arise, very useful as Crono's raise makes it so you have to immediately heal that party member late game Frog: Terrible if you use him as a mage or healer (with the exception of double cure and slurp kiss), but a very good physical attacker, Ayla is still better than him at that, but their dual techs together are quite good, like the aforementioned slurp kiss, as well as dropdown Magus: Best character when you first get him, but his lack of dual and triple techs ruin his viability quite quickly (plays nothing like Crono, have no clue what you were on about there) Lucca: Yes she has little to no support techs, because she's NOT A SUPPORT CHARACTER. Her fire skills and hypnowave can just obliterate certain bosses. Ayla: Best physical attacker in the game, Good dual techs with Crono and Frog. A pick, not much else to say, really Crono: Decent single techs, and decent dual techs with everyone. His techs are just decent damage dealers with the exception of raise, but if you're not in wait mode that party member is going to be immidiately killed again, unless you're incredibly fast at healing them Robo: Good physical attacker, has the potential to be the best healer in the game if you give them all of your magic tabs, but the healing other characters' give you will be good enough, and you'll never really need it. In Chrono Trigger, looking at any character in isolation will always make them seem to be much better or worse than they actually are when used with others.
@@crosswalkX He's still incredibly lacking for double and triple techs, even if he has two triple techs with an accessory (which uses an equipment slot) so what I said still stands, especially with my main overall point about how looking at characters in isolation make them seem better or worse than they actually are
My team Chrono (with that item that max physical) Magus (with that item that max both physic and magic) Robo (with max speed for support, when he is fully healed... well, you know ^^
Frog is one of the best all around characters tho. He got good attack power, healing, water techs, double techs, and triple techs. Pretty good in all areas
I don't think Frog is that bad... and he is the best character story wise. Lucca I overlooked before and after trying her as a main party member she is a beast, really fun to use
Magus gets a couple triple techs, the Robo Lucca Magus one is one of my faves. Frog is below bottom tier for new game plus, the upgraded Masamune gets lost since it is a story item and his 2nd best weapon is way way worse in the original, and still pretty bad with the extra DS weapon from Lost Sanctum :(
