Who is Better - NESS or LUCAS 

Fun fact: Ness speaks with a Japanese accent, despite his game being the only one to release in the US. Lucas speaks with an American accent, despite his game never leaving Japan.

I’ll say this. Lucas is TERRIFYING in the right hands. He’s so underrated.

just from this guide i can already see that lucas is grossly misunderstood

didn’t even mention psi magnet

Fun fact: in Brawl, There are 4 unused tracks of The Mother Series that were cut from the final game because of licencing issues: 1. Hippie Battle Theme 2. Smiles and Tears (Brawl) 3. Eight Melodies 4. Because I love You

As a ness main, thank you for not talking too long about pk fire, the move is very overrated and people don't seem to understand.

“Lucas lacks the offensive aerials to chase down opponents” B R U H W H A T

Lucas does not at ALL lack a good advantage. He has So many followups off of nair, which is a combo tool, up air and even fair. Literally all his aerials can combo. He has one of the best combo games of the entire cast, much much better than ness's

LUCAS MAINS WHERE YOU AT?

Lucas and Ness are mi favorites but Lucas has a special place in my heart blucas if you are watching this, i love you

Definitely Ness he has the "Okay" taunt

Lucas is floater than Ness. He doesn’t have a family weighing him down

lucas has the sauce, the sunflower field has loads of information if you want to main him 👀

"Up air can't combo" Me: "Lucas can get 48% from 4 up airs which is true

Fun fact originally onett was going to have it look like the invasion was starting and have a UFO hold the stage

lucas has arguably the best mobility options if mastered. take a look at psi magnet and wavebouncing, his djc, and you can push yourself in the air with pk fire too if you struggle with landing. but overall ness is still better because you can't do multiple consecutive complicated inputs 100% of the time, especially online. lucas has more potential if you can consistently execute moves though

NINTEN WHERE ARE YOU?

Lucus because he isn’t as annoying

I love cosmos' voice as commentary, just something about it is really good for narration or teaching

I feel like ness is more user friendly. Both have great potential, but ness has less end lag and moves a bit faster far as gameplay. Now Lucas has great potential, if played right, he can use his tether to mix up and his recovery is better, to a degree, then ness's.

Fun facts: It's actually the fourth hit of dair that spikes. Who knew???

I love how both have insane edgeguarding and 2-framing tools.

Lucas is 10x more fun to play as IMO

These two can become extremely hype. Change my mind

All mother 3 fans just died a little... including me

I like how he sd's after the fair string lol

As the meta develops i see lucas coming out on top. The zair trains , idj combos from up tilt, insane edge guarding and crazy recovery mix ups has raised Lucas's potential through the roof

I’ve played Ness three times two were classic mode runs

I use Lucas more because he is funnier

gotta be honest as a lucas main i would've appreciated this video a lot more from someone who had put more than maybe 2 hours of practice into the character the basic important things that you missed to capitalize on lucas optimal playstyle: advantage state is very oppressive but requires reading and capitalizing on enemies teching, which sour spot f-tilt, regular f-tilt, d-tilt (frame 3), jab (frame 2!!), pk fire all result in tech situations at low percents (lucas is phenomenal at punishing tech from anywhere on stage but doing so is not easy in the hands of a weaker player). playing around tech situations effectively lets lucas control the pace of the game and is good at putting your opponent into a panicked state and crumble under the pressure. counter to this is lucas very weak disadvantage. he has a very slow air dodge and almost all rush down characters can react to a lucas trying to air-dodge out of a juggle. landing as lucas is difficult without mixing up BUT once reset to neutral lucas can camp/zone and mix effectively again. lucas has a lot of pressure and kill confirms and amazing off-stage but is effectively bottle-necked by his disadvantage. he isn't too light and has a small hurtbox but he really suffers against rushdowns once they get in and keep him in a string of reading his landings. my best advice to playing lucas is to play the game around tech situations, ledge-trapping and edge-guarding, and mixing up between his zoning and camping and crossing up with nair or running up with jab or running up with shield into jab. i would probably put him below ness in his current meta, but i dont think this video really does him justice

I main Joker but I don’t have full capability because I am not fully use to doing combos and especially air combos so I decided to pick these boys up. Couldn’t decide which was better though

I think it might have been good to mention the difference in highly technical movement between ness and lucas. Lucas' djcz in combination with wavebounces and b reverses make his micro spacing insane, especially when you mix up between using psi magnet and pk freeze. This is incredibly important considering lucas is more zoning heavy than ness. It might also have been important to mention that lucas' pk freeze is a pretty useful edgeguarding option that can be used in conjunction with down smash at ledge or going offstage due to its low end lag.

I'm telling you right now, the only reason people think ness is better than Lucas is because we have yet to see Lucas at his full potential and on top of that there are way less Lucas players than ness players. It's like comparing apples to oranges like yeah they are both fruit but have completely different flavors.

The Lucas love in the comments is so nice to see

As a Lucas main...Ness is better But Lucas has a lot of tools that are pretty underrated amongst the smash community.

I just like how you didn't even mention the down and neutral B's when that is one of the biggest differences

I spend more time playing lucas. I like blue.

I love both ness and lucas but i think i like ness the most

Lucas has got an attack to freeze the enemy For a second

Been so long since proguides last uploaded

I‘m lucas main since he has been added. Before i played ness. Lucas moveset just fits my playstyle way better but i think if you compare the framedata ness should definitely have way more less punishable moves. But still i‘m quite happy with lucas. It would be cool if they buff lucas rocket that move is kind of ridiculous the way it is now. And the hitbox of magnet and the effectiveness of the windbox. Then all thats left is the missing up throw into whatever and lucas would do way better

Whats about PK Freeze?

Proguides: lucas's dair has 3 hits Me: CAN U COUNT THERE IS 4 HITS

Dude, Lucas experienced his mother die, his brother Claus being possessed by a drago, his dad being not able to help him with this situation, and Lucas making a new team.

Ness all day baby, Bumble Bee Alt!

Lucas down smash is evenly good as ness yo yo, it’s harder to land, but this stronger

Ness pk thunder dont only knockback up but in the direction the thunder hits from

Is there a specific reason the neutral and down specials weren't touched on?

2:15 such as mkleo oof zero

You guys don’t know what to do now with keitaro not being able to finish that series 🤦‍♀️

Lucas's pk freeze is deadly for people with high percentages it just launches them straight of stage also, lucas is my number 1 main I am so good as him, ness is my third main or second, I think it depends on who's playing as the characters though

Great analysis! I've seen this format done before, but your execution of it was top notch.

don't really know why but i enjoy so much more playing lucas than ness

NESS ALL THE WAY WHOS WITH ME

Great video. A little confused that you spent so much time talking about a snake zair tech over the tech that both ness and lucas share since smash 4. Being able to up B twice if they hit the stage correctly and up B again. All pro ness and lucas players know how to do this and it is extremely helpful.

PK Freeze can be terrifying while you aren't on the stage.

I think ness is definitely better but i enjoy playing lucas more because of his Bair.

I love ness since early smash games, and he’s an og smash characters but ppl hate him and for what Bc his voice is annoying? So silly

DO MORE EPISODE OF THESE

Y’all made a mistake, Lucas’s DAir hits 4 times, and the 4th one spikes, but still good content as always,

Honestly, Lucas bc he is more powerful

Lucas Dair loops are kinda broken though.

Ness' yo yo at the ledge is definitely avoidable if you hold down on your control stick. Just watch bestness' video on it

i can make an arguement. as aplayer who uses lucas a lot. there are some stuff i have to say. lucas's attacks deal significantly moree damage then ness and has a feature with pk thunder. ness's pk fire is a multi hit but pk thunder isnt. lucas's pk fire isnt a multi hit but pk thunder is. so lucas can travel with pk thunder more and catch more opponents. if u also havent noticed ness's pk thunder when it hits someone it pushes them forward which gives them a better chance at recovering lucas pk thunder can go for multiple opponents who are trying to recover.

In smash 4, Lucas by a large margin. In ultimate it’s definitely ness no doubt Also rip keitaro😂

Ness End of discussion

I love how you didn’t mention PSI Freeze or pulse between the two of them

Lucas has the best healing its so good when doing a Nuzlocke in world of light

NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY, I WILL STILL BE AN LUCAS MAIN.

I play ness more he is both sans and ness so in am playing two characters lol

As lucas main i need to know which one of the earth bound boys i should main.

Played against a lucas online that literally kept spamming only 2 moves which were pk freeze and pk fire. I lost. I wanted to get mad, which I did but then I thought... If I was good I wouldn't have lost.

Bro Lucas is my best character, he’s good against most matchups

Bro didn't even try to mention magnet and flash/freeze

I main Lucas and I’ve 3 stocked my friend’s Young Link(one of his best mains).

ive played both but i would say ive played ness more solely for the faster pk thunder

Ness when trying to recover: Am I close enough to air dodge? No? Is the guy coming? Yes? Uh oh... Lucas when trying to recover: I am 3 highly effective ways getting back to stage ahead of you. And then I'm going to spike you. Or use PK Freeze 85,000,000 times.

Jo whats the song on 7:44

I respect your opinion but I’m pretty sure this is not the best review since you didn’t talk about pk freeze but it is a really good attempt and I respect you for that

I just like Lucas's PK Freeze because my friends hate it so much and struggle against it for some reason XD

I thought pk fire could only be comboed into pk fire thx pro guides for the new info

He lost his mom, bro and the best PK Boi competition

i never knew why this is a debate. i like to think that the characters are equal tier list wise. it always came down to play-style for me.

So basically Ness is a More attack type and Lucus is more of a defense type

How come you didn’t compare the pk thunder and pk freeze?!

Lucas is very underrated. I have a friend who plays him in elite smash and he can be really good if he is played by the right person.

Thanks I am sad Lucas didn't win And that reminds me how come porkey is not in or even mentioned in smash

Lucas main here. He fits me better and I love him, but I admit that Ness is the better character.

Lucas F-throw also kills at similar percents as up-throw on the ledge with a similar angle to ness'

I have Lucas as a backup

7:29 lucas down air has HOW many hits

Lucas is so underrated and he has some really, really wild stuff he can do. Also literally all of his ariels can combo. I think ness might slight be better than Lucas, but in my opinion both are solid high tiers and Lucas most certainly isn’t a mid tier like some people say

I just wish Lucas had more consistent moves. Whether or not you hit your combo or not is a toss up. I don't want a Lucas buff just a tweak to the angles

“Who do you play more, Ness or Lucas” Me: Hmm

excuse me but what about pk freeze? at least mention it. but its hard to say who really is better. i think it depends on the person who plays with the character.

Lucas need serious buffs to his combo game. He should be able to autocancell his aerials quickly by landing because every time I do a Nair or Dair on someone, I can't do anything after that because they can shield it easily. Also buff his Upair, it sucks

5:55 so a persons greatest strength, is also their weakness.

I always thought that it was cool that ness and captain falcon have been in every single smash game I thought maybe falcon or ness would’ve been cut in like brawl or smash 4

Ness because of BestNess

I love both of them so much. But Lucas will always be my number 1 main💙