The Top 10 OVERRATED Attacks in Smash Ultimate 

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@@redsandslashgaming7513 Hi!

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This list was nice. Thank You for asking. :).

I honestly think Joker grappling hook is overrated due to the easy dodge and VERY specific hitbox

Ok I also have to say: Mii Brawler players are... WELL aware that feint jump is the Luigi to Flipkick's Mario. We get it. We're just trying our best, mockrock, please

Link nair is probably the best nair in the game, can you blame it for losing to it? I certainly can't. xD

A 0.1% trade would be preferable here but you can't even get that against Link N-air unlike normal

I'm very surprised Pit Nair made it into the list. I thought everyone knew it wasn't great

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I've been a pit main since brawl and I can confirm that it's a real struggle sometimes just getting there moves to work

No 😔

Actually could their arrows punish it?

@@Tr0lliPop no it's to slow

@@4bernadettatm17 bruh. A literal magical bow is not fast enough

Lmao genius

Ness jab

Yeah with the results of the most recent invitationals, saying minecart isn’t that amazing is kind of a joke at this point. 90% of Steve neutral at the top level comes down to building a wall, mining, punishing the opponent if they carelessly approach, if the opponent doesn’t approach then u full hop into side b, then as soon as the opponent jumps over minecart, the Steve jumps and back airs the opponent. And if they have diamond that shits killing absurdly early. And it’s all border line unpunishable, so the Steve just rinses and repeats. Usually only Steve’s using stall tactics constantly do this tho

It’s also on the only character in the game THAT CAN HITSTUN CANCEL

@@Schrodingers_douchebag I mean, that fact wasn't yet widely known at the time though.

@@Kirbman I know. It still makes him more broken tho

A big thing he does is make sure that what he's talking about is backed up with relevant gameplay so you can SEE it too. Some content creators just slap footage of a random tournament match on and call it a day

That's one I can agree with, idk how "underrated" it truly can be at this point because people generally understand that Joker's kit is busted haha, but dair does all that and also has some very nice combo potential.

It can even kill

@@MrMockRock i know this might sound stupid but i think joker without arsene is kinda underrated

Also awesome videos man you're pretty underrated

@@justaraptor8992 You're right, that does sound stupid

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It's short enough. It's still weird to have intros on RU-vid videos though, and most don't. Still a nice intro.

Breaking bad

It's pretty quick, catchy, and well-made. Same can be said for RelaxAlax, Game Grumps, and WolfeyVGC to name a few

Yeah, me too

true but to be fair absolutely NOBODY tries to tech it so we wouldn't know until it actually happens

@@rinn5238 yeah most people just assume they're done for when Arsène lands his down air

@@bobert221 lol yeah not one person i played in the 2 and a half years of maining joker teched my dair

Can I remind you of that fact that Palutena exists aka accidentally turning a zoner into a rush down character

Yeah...except for Pit nair, which is not balanced properly at all.

@@plompedu and Snake, who will zone tf out of you, but if you get close to him, his close range arsenal is like one of the best in the game

"Well balanced" Quickplay would like to have a word with you

​@@albertthepeacock8020Quickplay is not real Smash

To quote Nairo "Game and Watch is definitely not as good as people think he is. Sure, his up B is insane, but it has a good amount of lag. You can bait out his up B and then jump up and punish it with a lot of characters, it just looks worse since it's harder to react to online, which is good for Palutena because her up air is so strong and game and watch is so light." Once you consider that, risk reward is a factor, and missing against some characters can lead to losing very fast stocks for GW.

@@Endershock1678 "just bait out his up b" is assuming you can summon a mistake from the opponent by somehow forcing an option they can usually use on reaction. I love nairo but that take is absolute doo-doo , and shows that he hasn't played against maister anytime recently

@@RamikinHorde Baiting out Up-B's is extremely easy to do unless you're playing against a god like Maister. Because of how safe many buttons are, often times he'll have to immediately anticipate and react, you can easily bait it out through simple conditioning. It's literally what almost every pro player tells you to do to beat GW (I think Marss and Tweek said the same thing in one of their tier list videos). It's why I've personally never struggled against Game and Watch, because I bait it out then follow up with ROB's up air, which is crazy strong and makes the risk reward far too high for GW to spam. For pete sake, Nairo could anticipate and punish ONLINE, you have no excuse offline.

Well if you’re bad then yes, it’s unpunishable just like Zeldas special moves you just need to learn the timings I don’t have problems with g&w or Zelda but min min, mythra are degenerate and if you play yoshi then you must be out of apple juice Timmy

I think the key point being made here is that it's still a great move, just not invincible --as he says, not the 'get out of jail free card' people tend to think it is. If you over-rely on it, people will notice and have at least the capacity to punish it, just like overusing any one reaction or tactic.

"Also mythra is like probably the only swordie that is the hit and run archetype" when i think about it, that might actually be correct. most swordfighters hit hard enough that running is not necessary, and even if not, spacing tends to deal with that (even roy, who is punished for spacing, wants to stay in your face as long as possible)

@@Underworlder5 true

@@clutchthecinnamonsergal8493 wdym?

Yeah but mythra’s stupid and Pyra is better so don’t even play mythra

yeah i completely agree, and also despite her relatively poor range, she can easily do a retreating fair or bair on shield and drift out of range due to her incredible air speed/ acceleration

Haha, yeah, like many thing I think the reality won't always quite live up to the theory, but it's still an excellent demonstration, thanks for stopping by!

Even the strongest weapon is useless when used incorrectly.

I think that scenario is more common than you think. The most common reason for it is that the G&W was trying to punish something out of shield, but was a little too slow or didn't realize that it was a safe move that gave the attacker time to shield, resulting in a whiffed Fire. And honestly, sometimes I've used it instead of grabbing (when I'm shielding next to a shielding opponent) just out of fear, knowing it's less likely to be punished than if I grabbed but missed. And if the opponent has something that beats DK Jr (G&W down air), there's also the problem of G&W now needing to land.

I was thinking the same thing; notice how in every clip of Maister he shows after that, the opponent is either in landing lag, or otherwise not shielding.

I think it's to represent the opponent baiting the Fire by landing and shielding instead of aerial on shield.

I was about to write the same. GP is highly overrated by people who don't know how to use or fight against rosalina. And the fact that Rosa is a very uncommon character helps a lot to maintain this misconception. > The move is by far the worst anti projectile in the entire game. Most of the time you have no rewards using it. Even shielding, clashing or avoiding the projectile is more optimal most of the time. > it is very hard to use the projectile you just pulled against your opponent. Like really really hard. > if you manage to use the projectile you just pulled against your opponent and the projectile works like a bomb, it won't explode (snake side b, some hero spells, villager side b, Isabelle down b, etc) > the animation is longer than the actual active frames. You can get baited to use it and then get punished. > the move has enough ending and startup lag to not be very good at dealing with various projectiles at the same time. Characters like the Belmonts, ylink or Samus can easily spam tons of projectiles and see how Gravitational pull struggles a lot. > the move is extremely good against items, but just a few characters have items in their movesets > Rosalina is tall and Luma don't have defensive options. Projectiles and disjoints really hurt her playstyle and GP isn't nearly enough to deal with them. Often rosa mains recommend to lunar landing back air to clash Luma with the projectile while rosa tries to punish the opponent. That's a better option than just press down b > Rosa is a very technical character and often many of her moves are useful to perform advanced techniques. Even in that way GP is useless > the only time I use GP is when I'm too lazy to avoid a projectile and I'm far enough to not be punished. That move seriously needs a buff.

What about items?

@@mekhiwatkins1535 Item projectiles get pulled into the hand, but at the ranges that someone would throw them, GP is punishable. And if you mean items in casual, then that's kinda not where this video is looking

I didn't realize anyone thought GP was good at all. It's so slow with so little reward. You might as well use shield, it's much faster with the same effect.

@@SP_Sour Yeah, basically. But no, in the rosalina discord many people who come in asking for advice VS us as a character with projectiles mention GP. I've also seen a lot of people who play neither character say that Rosalina does good against the Belmonts because of the move

i'd argue up-air is also better than nair given how good of a juggle and kill move it is

Her nair drops more often for me than Pit’s does. And I play both (or all three) quite often.

One question how do you sdi and di just asking

@@SaBasAbA-dn1xh di stands for directional input which is you deciding what way does your character goes while being a combo or while in free fall so all you do is point the joystick in the way to get out of the combo. Im sorry if this is a bad explanation I'm trying my best

Definitely a good choice

Speaking of which, Falcon can actually crouch under some of Palu’s OOS options with the right spacing, then punishing with a U-smash.

Most characters in the game can punish it out of Shield if she lands in front of you, and you can parry the last hit of it if she tries to cross you up, making it even less safe. It's also shockingly whiff punishable and since the move lasts a while, is easy to react to a whiff.

This is what I thought would have made the list

Palus up air is more annoying

God bless this comment

And of course, if you were to do a part 2, you already know what move I’d bring up.

RIP. Do arrows work at doing that?

Went through 3 keyboards making this video, they are not equipped to be soaked in tears 😞

and it's only frame 10, not even terribly fast!

being a good up b out of shield is all it needs to be, especially during an era of mainly wifi. cloud has other moves to fulfil “killing and comboes” so i don’t really see your point.

@@cpu8636 it is still an okay out of shield, but everyone says it does way more than it actually does. thats basically the definition of “overrated”

pretty sure you can also sdi out of the last hit

@@KevSB07 frame 7

Same here.

It’s a super quick oos move that’s a command grab & kills. Most characters would trade their side bs for bowsers.

Byleth's Nair also has that final landing hit that catches opponents out so often.

Yeah I feel like anyone trying to use a rising Nair with Ganon is doing it wrong. Not sure that makes the move all that much worse. I agree it's not the best Nair in the game, but that's partly because almost every character has a good, if not great, Nair.

It’s -48, skewer has 30 frame startup, shield drop is 11, 41 < 48

@@clutchthecinnamonsergal8493 LOL as a STEVE main I CONFIRM block is one of the most USELESS moves in the game, yeah its on TOP 5 of the WORST AND most STUPID and useless moves in the GAME, like seriously it breaks if you touch it for 1 SEC and YOU CAN'T place them on USEFUL PLACES... And the fact that YOU CAN'T mine in the climax of a HIGH-TIER COMPETITIVE PLAY makes AWFUL the fact that it cost materials that you can use in other weak Attacks with INSANE ENDING LAG OF THIS MF

As a Steve main, he dosen't has a "good" move, I HOPE THEY CHANGE HIS AWFUL MOVESET IN THE NEXT SORA UPDATE... ALL HIS SPECIALS SUCK SO BAD

@@juandavidamadomartin8015 i legitimately can't tell if you're joking or not because placing blocks is one of the best privileges a character can have

@@rinn5238 Placing something that breaks 1 second after you touch it is a privilege? LOL AND as I said you CAN'T place them in useful or strategic places. LOL YOU clearly don't play Steve, in general this MF dosen't has ANY privilege at all just disadvantages, and even those awful blocks cost materials so they are NEVER useful... As I said BLOCKS are in the TOP 5 Worst moves in the game, and I say this as a long-time Steve Main...

@@juandavidamadomartin8015 please, don't make me laugh have you ever thought of canceling endlag on moves by using blocks, especially moves like up smash or down tilt? maybe even getting a double jump back or putting an anvil on it and doing moves when the block breaks and you fall down with it? perhaps even placing a tnt block on top of it and mining in the sky? clearly not and besides they stick around a decent amount of time if you don't stand on them if placing blocks a million miles offstage is the only practical use you can think of for them then i'd suggest you use pyra or ness because they requires one brain cell or less which is what you clearly have

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And also mentioning mii brawlers version of faint jump. I realized that move wasn’t really that good after I… used it in training mode lol