𝗠𝗢𝗩𝗜𝗘𝗦 𝗙𝗘𝗔𝗧𝗨𝗥𝗘𝗗: Dawn of the Planet of the Apes (2014) Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes (2024) 𝗛𝗔𝗦𝗛𝗧𝗔𝗚𝗦: #planetoftheapes #kingdomoftheplanetoftheapes
there were more than one bonobo in the story: koba was just the first villian one. i'm not going to assume or spec that he's related to either caesar or koba. as we know already caesar had two sons( his eldest son learn to speak and maurice/rocket were the last two elders apart from cornilla the kings wife) there are other apes from "other camps" the redwoods was not the only place.." think about it(the last movie there was apes,chimps,bonobos captured from across the world or region)
Crazy part is, Bonobos are apparently more peaceful then Chimpanzees! For such a villain like Koba to be a Bonobos while Ceaser is a Chimp, goes to show how much he hated humans.
It's cool to think about. Ceaser became more inclined to peace as a chimp, and Koba wanted to go to war as a bonobo. They both literally went against their nature.
Bonobos are brutal rape-savages. The only thing that limits their sadism is their size. There's also a direct connection between intelligence and the appearance of sadism as a trait in a species. That's why chimps in particular and even dolphins are capable of understanding suffering and enjoying inflicting it on other creatures for entertainment.
Since ceaser was the one who started everything he is known for generations and he is a iconic beacon for the apes, Proximus taking the name could mean he's aiming to be the next iconic beacon just like how ceaser was
@@ghxstTrap54I saw somewhere that he was using the teachings of Caesar but spinning them so he could gain control. So I wouldn’t be surprised if none of these new apes have any relation to Caesar besides the main character sharing his ideology
@@croceyzx2433 because that will be spoilers?? Sometimes or most directors fooled their fans by denying to prevent spoilers, like c'mon Noah have the same features of Ceasar's
Its so good. And to think this all started with just a man trying to save his father and taking a chimp in as his own. Imagine being in that position and knowing you gave birth to all the history that followed...crazy
@@DuendeCaughtOnTape ngl seeing Dawn and War in theaters was crazy. Dawn gave me Shakespeare vibes for some reason. But go happy binging! I’m waiting to see Kingdom so I can have the theaters to myself
It's worth knowing the apes only took 300 years after gaining sentience to enter bronze age which is alarmingly fast compare to humanity IIRC. Judging from how delicate Proximus' crown and ornament are, it's clear the apes had mastered bronze smithing and it's only a matter of time before they advance to iron age. It is implied that the apes could develop their technology even faster if they have more access to functioning human tech. They built civilization for scratch based on old stories from Caesar's time and trial and error on making sense of derelict human device.
But they do share some similarities but Proximus is like the modern-"Koba" 😅 And even if he isn't Koba's descendant, the evil among the apes continue through Proximus.
True, plus it's never said that Koba had a love interest. So Koba and Promixus Caesar simply cannot be related at all, no matter how close they may be in terms of personality or physical appearance.
@@jason200912 well yes and no, proximus Caesar is the antagonist against the other ape but from a progression standpoint he’s the next step. The other ape wanted to maintain his small tribal lifestyle. He’s the copper age emperor that could’ve shot them 1000s of years into their civilization if he succeeded. But ofc he’s bad because of slaves and his distorted views of Caesar’s views
@@maxomega98 I didn't like Noah (Mae mostly) because he sent the apes back to the stone age. Even worse he might have splintered them all into weak tribes and reversed all of caeser's work creating a ape kingdom
@@jason200912 I agree, proxomis is an interesting character I find his motivations fascinating whereas Noah is just naive and blinded by emotions. Spiritually he’s ceasers successor but as of now he’s not gonna push them in the next direction without it being another 300-500 years
Just because Proximus Ceasar is a bonobo, Doesn't necessarily mean he's related to Koba in any shape or form. But you can argue that Proximus is most likely following Koba's Legacy into hating & hunting down humans. That is a possibility.
In my opinion koba was 10 times worse cause proximus at least cares for apes and wants them to succeed by having technological advances. He even said he is mortal he did care for himself a little but not as much as koba. Koba was actually who didn’t care for apes in fact he didn’t care for any of them all he cared was for his revenge and knew he could get all apes killed.
Bonobos aren't peaceful. They're one of the most aggressive ape besides baboon. Speaking of baboon... I haven't seen one yet in the Planet of the Apes movies so far.
@@murraymackay9409It's not true, Caesar had hope, but in reality humans would never live with apes, precisely because of a concept of superiority, we will always try to be the strongest because actually, for better or for worse, what man has done it wasn't from anyone else.
JUST based on the given context of the trailers, this ape built ape civilization. Took Caesar’s tribe from nomadic hunter-gatherers to an organized kingdom. Clearly idk if this is the ape that did it, but if he’s maintaining it? He must have a pretty damn good idea of how monarchies and government and war strategy work, meaning he really actually might know the most about humans
I liked him and did not see him as a villain. The only bad feature of him was the use of chimp slavery, but he was able to put apes at the top of the animal hierarchy and I wanted to see him arm up
I believe Noa is a descendent of Caesar, since he asks a lot of questions about Caesar and learns more about his heritage. He even said together strong, just like Caesar who says apes together strong. He's also the same kind of ape as Caesar and he wants peace just like Caesar. Noa is also the new ape protagonist, along with the girl he rescues. Edit: Noa actually didn't say together strong at all in the movie. It was Raka who said Remember, apes together strong as his last words before he gets swept down a strong fast moving river after Lightning cuts the rope
Proximus is about an order of magnitude smarter due to the virus continuing to mutate. He's read about human technology and history. Understands science and technological progression etc.
What I thought was interesting is that many think Proximus is taking the words of Caesar and twisting them to benefit himself. But I think he’s mistakenly following the wrong Caesar. William H Macy’s character says “he has me read to him. Specifically Roman literature”. I think Proximus is following the words of Julius Caesar, who was assassinated because he sought ultimate power. Just like Proximus is
I think Noah is a Descendant of Caesar and Proximus is a Koba descendant. My guess is either sometime in the ten years the apes lived in the red woods Koba had some kind of offspring. Some people will counter that Maurice in a book connected to the films said Koba didn’t have kids. Unless…Koba survived the fall. 1. Apes are pretty durable and have been seen to survive falls from great heights, I mean look at Caesar after Koba shot him. 2. At the end of Dawn’s credits an ape breathing which as been confirmed to be Koba by the director. 3. The original play was that Koba was going to actually physically appear in WFTPOTA but considering how much Koba hated humans he would most definitely not even join up with the army. It made more sense for previous Koba supporters to think Koba dead and then join up with the army instead. Perhaps Koba had a female follower escape with him and just booked it to get away from other apes and humans. Then they would have the offspring who would eventually result in the emergence of Proximus generations later. Maybe where Koba hated everything to do with humanity Proximus sees them as some sort of fallen gods/angels and wants to learn as much about their history to better understand his own. I bet Koba wasn’t too keen to pass the story on how he betrayed the ape equivalent of Jesus or something.
@@jason200912 keep in mind this is just the first film in the new trilogy, just like Caesar I’m confident that Noah will grow into a powerful leader and unite the tribes.
@@Thegrrog man all that work from caeser's kingdom for nothing only for all the tribes to be fragmented and weak into a full circle back to square one. and i wonder how many apes died because of Mae's flooding that Noah had to save them from
@@jason200912 sometimes that stuff happens, what’s important is this movie isn’t trying to be 100% accurate to what your vision of things should be. I don’t want to be like this but I love the movie and you have some personal issues with it which is fine not everyone likes the same stuff. Please stop bothering me.
Yeah I believe he’ll be related to Koba in some way, although many tell me Koba never had kids… To that I say just because we didn’t see any, doesn’t mean they didn’t exist..
Honestly I don't think he was able to have kids. I think I read somewhere most lab apes are sterilized or outright neutered to prevent aggression and unsupervised mating
@@V_HubrisTexan Hell no. Proximus is a regular bonobo, Skar King is a bald ass ginger chimp with pulsating blue eyes. I know they’re two monkey king villains, but the similarities stop there. One’s an ambitious dictator, the other’s literally Satan.
I heard a lot of people saying how Noa might be a direct descendant of Caesar and as much as I want agree, we all need to remember that in Rise it was stated how Ceasar's mother had green eyes and apes more dominant had green eyes. Take a close look at Proximus and Noa eye color. I'm might be wrong, but what if Proximus is an actual descendant of Caesar and even crazier if Noa is a descendant, but distant?
@@MomoALTA wrong! That must be a different "tribe" of bonobo's because they normally mate to end any argument.. not even caring if its male, female, adult or youngster... Only males CAN be more agressive than chimps, though it rarely happens..
I feel like Proximus and Noa are distantly related, with Proximus having Koba’s genes mixed in with his lineage while Noa is a separate branch family line. Cause I assume Koba had a family, maybe off the side and not shown which then ended up joining with Caesar’s family line and forming a separate group which then leads to Proximus
Mae was the villian and her "don't you think we deserve another chance" after she killed who knows how many enslaved Apes in the bunker is proof that humanity doesn't learn from its mistakes
Proximus really reminds me of Caesar from Fallout New Vegas. He's right about a lot. There are divided tribes weakening the society as a whole. There are enemies out there posing as allies and conquering them will lead to greater strength and unification. He's wrong about all the nuances and desires of each group and only by generalizing them and removing their individuality can his decisions be justified. It's a very interesting take. Just like Fallout NV it's easy to call him a villain, but by prodding his motivations just a little his complexity becomes very clear. Just like NV he's actually a lot kinder in person and conversation than a lot of the troops are. He understands his motivations more than the troops, who just act and spout what they've heard without understanding the logic and philosophy
I thought that at first, but bonobos and chimpanzees can interbreed so it is possible (although unlikely OOC) that overtime Caesar’s lineage bred with Bonobos and therefor his descendants got received more and more bonobo dna.
Besides him wanting to be king and stuff, his plans were actually going to benefit the apes massively if he was able to pull it off. Human girl was the real villian. Imo
I watched this movies yesterday and I gotta say. If I was one of those apes I’d never trust a human. At the end of the day, they don’t have enough respect and empathy for them, they’d kill them all for human interest. And I was secretly wishing that Proximus would actually get those weapons cause the way Mae was acting ruthless is perfect example of human behaviour. Even their babies can be cruel
My theory is this Proxima could be the descendant of Caesar but in different branch he maybe Koba's main line Noa might be the Caesar's main line of descendant
The thing so genuine about planet of the apes is that regardless of race and yes this is a real differential race and not just color but a whole different species is that the cycle never ends and keeps repeating all the time without never having a proper solution no matter how advanced it is.
Proximus reminds me of Napoleon from Animal farm more than anything. His love of humans makes him almost become one. They mirror that theme a lot in planet of the apes. But it would be cool to have an outright shaving of hair, wearing of clothes and so on so that he very nearly became one.
When ever Wildcat did the Easter eggs, Vanoss would always show much he isn't a gamer and was doing for the video because he wouldn't figure it out even after so much information.
The one thing about this franchise that constantly irks me is the fact that they label humans as "man," but chimps, gorillas, orangutans, and bonobos are "apes." Humans ARE apes. That's like saying: The German shepherds are at war with their dreaded enemy, the dogs.🤦♂️
