Ellen or Zhu Yuan? | ZZZ CN Pulling Opinion 1.0 

Incoming Mid Yuan memes for ZZZ. It’s coming, I can taste it.

3:23 It was in this moment that RU-vid's closed caption feature realized... it fucked up.

Ellen really is the one Queen army. She has all the things you want for a starter character. Zhu Yuan would either need to be comfier to play or that backloaded nuke is worth the stacking gameplay (aka like Jinhsi, not like Jing Yuan).

I'm not too worried about Zhu Yuan, they know what they're doing and I am sure a new unit will drop that helps unlock her kit because they want people to pull. I don't think everyone having Nicole is enough but I'm sure there not being any other Ether units is by design to make her more appealing. I would guess there will probably be a faction A-rank that does good daze. Or I'm just coping because I see Zhu Yuan and Officer Mewmew and it reminds me of Astral Chain and I want to pull her, lol.

Great video. Thank you for your efforts. Best of luck!

I lost my 50-50 in 81 pity so I have no option lol and I got the worst character nekomata i would have taken literally any other 5star character and now I don't have the strength to continue lol

Thank you Pokke!

I think ellen is better. Cuz consistent dps and early meta. Since it might take some time for us to reach high end having ellen to carry us is definitely better. By the time we reach high level there might alrdy be better dps than both ellen and zhuyuan.

you get to try Zhu Yuan durring story and she is crazy nice to play

FYI: supports aren’t as big of a deal in this game vs hsr, there also isn’t an off field dps like genshin. Stunners are the most important and then you would prioritize having elemental coverage on your dps over time is my current theory on this games late game meta as it grows

not sure if I should go for Ellen atm or continue saving for Miyabi. I lowkey want both bad :x

Hope she doesnt get powercreeped too early (i will edit this when 2.0 comes out)

Brother looking good in that suit 😎. Nice explanation man

Ellen is the girl turned Zhu yuan is the wife

Ellen looks rly fun but im staying strong for the rabbit samurai girl or fox idk

great vid

We need Banboo guide. How good are them, should we just get mainDPS element one or it doesn't matter? What about energy one?

I need to think My main goal was actually the goat von Lycaon but I don't want to force myself to pull Ellen just for him since I kinda like Zhu Yuan more but if Lycaon synergies better with Ellen Only because of one thing that is the ice pen I might get Zhu Yuan and pair her up with Lycaon since she needs a good breaker

Thank you for your blessings got Ellen in 40 pulls

Spent all the standard wishes I had (Didn't use currency of course) and got Soldier 11 and koleda, so I'm skipping Ellen since I already have a solid early game team in mono pyro. Really lucked out and now I have the privilege of saving my limited pulls.

I’m waiting for the new s rank they drip marketed today. Qingye. She’s an electro unit, should pair well with my M1 Grace. Reminds me of Silverwolf.

Concerning Zhu Yuan's future like Jing yuan

Does C6 Anton compete at all with the C0 S ranks?

100k! 200k when? PauseChamp

Skipping both, loving Soldier 11

Can you make a video on Soukaku or other A ranks

I think Ellen and Zhu Yuan are like Jingliu and DHIL. Both on average are equal, but Jingliu/Ellen have higher floor and DHIL/Zhu Yuan have higher damage ceiling

Feels like Zhu Yuan will end up like Jing Yuan, and Ellen like Seele in the future meta.

Was gambling the 50/50 to see if I get Ellen or Zhu Yuan since I didn't care which I got. Got 2 Ellens on my 7th 10 pull so I just decided to fully invest and get her weapon lol. Don't have Lycaon though, and like hell I'll reroll after that. Going to slum it with Anby.

Lol meanwhile I pulled Grace as the guaranteed 5* and two of the same s w-engines on standard. So endgame should be fun /s

i see zhu yuan not getting powercrept at all with this kit she have tho, even though i'd say she's harder to play, meaning you have to put more thought on her gameplay.

To sum up developers are listening

Ellen didnt come home. I got wolf boy x2 on stamdard. Lost 50/50 and got Rina along with c6 ice girl. Guess game is telling me i dont need Ellen.

I decided to skip Ellen just cause I don't feel her that comfortable to play for me. The games decided it wanted me to play the hares with the Nekomata and then her weapon the next pull and all the hares sigs weapons. The bikers the the funnest to play personally and can't wait for there boss to come out. And also I like foxes more the sharks 😊

Was gonna save for Miyabi but then who knows WHEN she's gonna come out, as an ICE type DPS I don't think she's coming anytime soon, at least 3 months I'd say. I had to pull for Ellen since I didn't have any 5 star DPS to carry me through the early game. Have to say, she is pretty broken. Pull for her was probably the best decision I've made this year.

Good video...but I watched it on .75 speed because this guy talks way too fast for me.

ez if we go by the cbt miyabi is vergil of ZZZ

Considering my only 5 star is Grace I have to pull for Ellen lol.. cause Billy and Corin are my only other attackers.

Saving for Miyabi

I got Ellen early so do I pull for zhu yuan or just skip for future characters like miyabi ?

I don't get the people asking you to wait for Miyabi. ZZZ is the kind of game where you literally don't need supports. I'm going to be playing Ellen, Miyabi, and Soukaku for the ultimate Ice team once Miyabi drops.

If this game follows the trend common to gacha games pretty much all early characters will be powercrept in like 6-12 months. This means you are pulling them for short term power and this is where Ellen shines the most. She will carry me the next months and allow me to save for the actual powerhouses coming down the road. You know, like the Shogun/Acheron/Mei expy we all know is coming.

Power creep phobics: “I’m not going to pull for a 1.x DPS because it’ll get power crept.” A year later: “I’m not going to pull for a 2.x DPS because 3.x is around the corner.”

Interestingly, they seem to be really trying to think everything through. It wonder me a little bit.

The correct answer is Zhu Yuan, just look at that Gyatt.

So Ellen is Seele and Zhu Yuan is JingYuan Lol

I’m going for Zhu yuan you can’t curse me if I’m Guaranteed 😂.

Ellen is cute, but I'm saving everything for Zhu Yuan.

If ellen is future proof, why would you pay for a new dps? She will get insta powercrept as always

Just wait till Miyabi is out

Honestly I'm going for Zhu bc waifu

It's a tough decision imho. Style>everything, but Zhu Yuan's investment seems higher than Ellens Zhu Yuan was amazing to play in her short trial at IK30(?). Such a fun unit. But I think Zhu Yuan is a 5* character you want to have a Mindscape 1 for. It smoothes out her gameplay so much. 9 shotgun shells for each Chain attack is exactly what you need/want for the burst windows. Unlike Ellen, she actually needs time to build up these very important stacks for her. You'll easily apply Corruption with her through that though and since the upcoming stunner unit (that is in her faction) is going to be electro she will most likely have more options for non-mono teams. If you want to "open up" your teambuilding possibilities however, I think "stunner" characters are more important to get, especially if you don't have that ice-furry guy. The upcoming Electro stunner that is part of Zhu Yuans NEPS faction will be good for both the 1.0 DPS. (if the unit itself has any reasonable good kit) For Zhu Yuan, she will be of the same faction, so she'll natrally fit. For Ellen, she opens up Rina for her, so people that don't have Lycaon can

Pulling for Zhu Yuan cuz Nicole booba on team

ellen this, zhu yuan that. anyways roll for miyabi instead xdd

12:30 talking about luck for f2p in early game... 😅

I feel like the early game thing is kinda dumb especially when a lot of people's complaints about the game was that it was too easy.

Hoyo at it again with their ice element bias. Not only in the characters but the element's effeft as well.

i love Ellen but im skipping both for then next strongest character

TLDR: if you like any of them, pull. If not, wait for Miyabi.

Who cares about Ellen - I mean pull if you like her but as the first dps of the game I have no reason to pull her for meta. I’m happy running Grace Anton Rina for now, and when a unit I like comes, or someone with a kit that won’t likely be powercreeped so quickly, I’ll use my guarantee. Losing the 50/50 for Grace was the best case scenario for me because I never liked Ellen to begin with. Being head and shoulders above everyone else at launch is like a consolation prize lol

What if we don't have Lycaon?

Miyabi

just got ellen myself while watching the video, now my ice team is complete :D. thank you for the blessing Mr. Pokke

Skipping both I am down bad for Qingyi the robo girl. I need her NOW!

genuinely who tf allowed prydwen to cook up stuff.Puffer electro is currently the highest recommended there omE

Hmm. I'm f2p and got lycaon and koleda from standard banner and ellen in 40 pulls. Will I have enough pulls to get Zhu Yuan ?!

can't wait for people to come back here in a year and laugh at how bad she is after 2.0

The only reason i skipped ellen is because of miyabi. If shes also an ice dps then ellen will just get benched later.

MI YA BI ALL THE WAYYYYYY

so basically...skip and wait untill a unit you realy like playing comes out or a jingliu of zzz comes out, gotch ya!

I hate the maid thing and love the gun gameplay so zhu yuan it is

I played Zhu Yuan in the story with Lycaon and Soukaku, and they work really well! Zhu Yuan's core passive also only needs a support, and not someone from the same element or faction so the corruption + shatter combo is kinda OP. Not sure about the numbers compared to Ellen though.

i agree ellen is probably gonna be at least pretty dang good for early meta. Later on though, she might suffer from Jingliu syndrome, where a character with lower scaling but many self buffs falls off because new stronger supports eventually come out that provide similar buffs to those self buffs, thus diluting/reducing the value of them. Meanwhile, new dps might have higher scaling, and benefit more from external buffs from teammates. Caveat: just my two cents, this game isnt the exact same as hsr, and with gacha games eventually powercreep has to happen in some form

Ellen is gonna age poorly like Jingliu oh no

I don't know. Tbh, I hate playing Ellen in the demo. It feels weird having to dash then do charge attack to get ff stacks. It is like a 3 seconds window standing still to get hit. And I always get hit in demo. It just feels bad. Zhu Yuan on the other hand is chef's kiss. Just dancing around the battlefield. Insane mobility go boom boom boom. But dps is lower. I guess when you have higher mobility, you have less dmg. Just like playing Black Mage in FFXIV, higher dps but you gotta stand still to do dps. Zhu Yuan is like an archer (Bard). Just pew pew pew, running all over the place. 100% uptime to run around. Jump for fun but lower dps. I have built Lycaon and Soukaku so yeah. 70 pulls in still no Gawr Gura. But piloting experience wise (shou gan), Zhu Yuan feels very smooth. I am only playing the game with 2 characters now. 😂 Lycaon and Soukaku because I don't want to waste resource building an unwanted main dps, attacker. Hard choice. Mixing ice and ether is weird too. Like how does element mixing works? Will ice freeze proc or ether corruption? 🤔

the main competition for now is how long they're gonna shelf Miyabi for official release, if they keep her for like ver 2.0 like Ayaka in Genshin, I can see Ellen having a decent shelf life of over a year or so (assuming they don't release another T0 Ice DPS within the next 6-7 patches or so), if they release Miyabi pretty early (1.2 or hell even 1.1) then Ellen is gonna have a rough battle ahead, unless somehow Hoyo manage to release enough relevant character for us to create 2 ice teams (another Lycaon or Soukaku substitute) for Shinyu/Hollow Zero (which I HIGHLY doubt)

Thank you for the luck MrPokke! Got Ellen and her weapon in 30 pulls! 😁

Got ellen in 20 pulls then opened weapon got double 5 star weapon lost to physical weapon then got her signiture

pretty sure miyabi is coming out in 1.1 and shes ice so hopefully shes a main dps

Remember Ellen is still in highschool but Zhu Yuan is completely legal. Sis got a whole bakery back there 😂

Ellen doesn't have much to expand, she has the perfect team right off the bat. Zhu Yuan has no supports, and I'm sure Mihoyo will release them as sellable as possible. Immediate results vs. future investment.

I only pulled cuz I like maids... and the shark teeth are cute

Meta slaves meeting in the comments.

Bro i did not even want Ellen but it's always the fuck it 10 pulls 😅 Got 2 copies of her in my very first 10 pull in ZZZ.... sheesh!

Wouldn't it be funny af if they made Miyabi an ice stunner or anomaly? Make it so she's Ellen's bis teammate. *Huffs copium*

pulling Zhu Yuan i lost 50/50

Zhu Yuan easy pass then glad i went for Ellen she self stain herself so team comps isn't to limited, you want push for full ice, but you don't have too

If i win the 50/50 ill go Ellen If i lose ill go Zhu Yuan Even though i have Lycaon

zhu has yuan in her name, skip

Absolutely good arguments, but! counterpoint ==> shark 🦈

I guess the people who aren't saving for Miyabi haven't seen the cool cinematic yet

Got ellen and neko in 1 10 pull

Already got Ellen within 5 pulls. I’m saving up for Miyabi.

Talk slowly bro.

ellen because shes cute

I gotta say he is 100% right about how important it is to have good early game experience. The game became much more enjoyable when I got Ellen and her weapon. Breezing through all the stages with Ellen, Soukaku felt like whole different game for me.

Tbh, the game without ellen was really boring. Got soldier 11 as my first 5 star dps and that character bored me out of my mind. Ellen is just built different

Ellen Teams are just better.

The way I look at it I'm not horny enough to get ellen. Win or lose 50/50 I don't care. I'm just building pity at this point in time. Zhu Yuan looks better to me. Nothing gets me more hot and bothered like anime women wielding guns

can't see anyone skipping Ellen its literally first banner of a new gacha game, everyone going pull for her not wait for next patch lol