Look at this proper adult debate with a sprinkle of banter job well done panel 👏🏾. Not really much of an argument right now as was stated but time will also tell for Pep and Klopp who can both still change their stories.
Klopp's story is that he's only had 1 rival and only got 1 league title. He ain't a PL GOAT. I'd have Dalglish, or even Harry Redknapp in the convo before Klopp
@@Itsthecreative Stop chatting shit you're clearly a rival fan with a biased agenda. His story is that he took a team from utter irrelevance with the likes of Sakho, Benteke, Joe allen, Clyne to name a few to go on to win every club trophy possible within 6 years, all at the same time whilst competing against one of the best managers in the world in Pep backed by a state with unlimited wealth. Find me another manager that finished the year with 92 & 97 points that didn't win the league, I'll wait. In any normal scenario 92 & 97 points would be guaranteed league title tallys but he isn't competing in a normal era. No one has made the case that's he's in the conversation for best prem manager of all time, but if you can't appreciate the hard work within all of that then you don't have a clue about football.
Sir Alex number one... Then the next four are difficult to order... Interchangeable between Pep, Mourinho, Klopp & Wenger.... All have their own big selling points...
COMPARISON MAN UTD owned by Glazers SAR(2005 to 2012) 7 years. 5 pl titles, won with the following 2012; Smalling, jones,welbeck and cleverly also Glazers of course. money spent, 513 million euros(adjusting for inflation). MAN CITY owned by Sheikh Mansur PEP(2016 to 2023) 7 years. 4 pl titles. money spent, 1.24 billion euros.
@@Undefeatedgoat the stats are there fam. I mean you are right but we talking about pre fergie retirement united and compared to city a fortune is more than a strong word.
The Wizard. Sir Alex Ferguson. Not even a debate. I remember going to watch United in the first few years of his reign at Old Trafford and although we finished second in 1987/88, the football wasn’t good a lot of the time. I remember being at Old Trafford at the start of May 1989 when we played Wimbledon and there was only 23,000 there. We won 1-0 and it was terrible. That game and the first half of the 1989/90 season were the lowest for me. Then we won the FA cup and things started from there!!
There's literally no point having the best PL manager debate, til someone else wins 13 titles. We're basically just debating who comes after Fergie, til then. For me, Pep and Jose are interchangeable between 2nd and 3rd, but Pep will probably overtake soon. Then it's Wenger
Fergie, won treble, made multiple great sides, titles, youth, knocked them off there perch, longevity, squeaky bum time, beautiful football played, brought united from shit to great n kept them there for all his time there, once he left united just went back to shit, fergie all day
@@kieran4435 he hasn't been managing for 10 yrs, he retired if you didn't know, so of course in Ferguson's retirement, Pep was gonna add more trophies to his name, whilst Ferguson's chilling enjoying life
@@kieran4435 That’s it is it? Just a decade more? Not more trophies, less money spent, more CL trophies won with a PL team? Alex Ferguson fought all challengers every season, from Dalglish to Wenger, Mourinho, Benitez, Ancelotti. He overcame Wenger’s new football, Chelsea’s bank balance and Liverpool’s overwhelming history by knocking them ‘off their perch’. Pep came in to a ready made, title winning side and spent a hell of a lot of cash. He’s brilliant, but there’s levels.
@@kieran4435 COMPARISON MAN UTD owned by Glazers SAR(2005 to 2012) 7 years. 5 pl titles, won with the following 2012; Smalling, jones,welbeck and cleverly also Glazers of course. money spent, 513 million euros(adjusting for inflation). MAN CITY owned by Sheikh Mansur PEP(2016 to 2023) 7 years. 4 pl titles. money spent, 1.24 billion euros.
For me, it is either Pep or Wenger and it's not because I'm a Gooner. You remember Sir Alex for his winning mentality and that's about it. Even though he is the most successful among the three, when you mention his name, you only think about how successful he was, but when you mention Arsene or Pep's name, you immediately think about beautiful football and the change they brought into how football is played. They are remembered beyond winning things. So it depends on what you're basing it on. If it is about the most successful, then it is obvious, but if it is about the most influential in how the game is played, it is between Pep and Arsene.
Yes that's what you think of those 2 but Sir Alex's would absolutely destroy the opposition, he was a tactical genius and people don't seem to realize that nowadays
@@profahmed098 we know Wengerball and we know Pep's game. What is SAF's game? His teams won trophies but what else do you associate him with? And this is not a dig at him. It's the same with many successful managers. Not many get remembered past the fact that they won many trophies.
He is Liverpool. Only right. Liverpool has had alot of iconic managers & teams. Six different managers winning European cups. So he knows his stuff yes
Machin called Ancelotti "probably the greatest manager of all time" in this conversation. If that's the most knowledgable bloke then there's a problem.
Number one is clearly SAF because of the number of titles, that alone trumps style of play, impact on the league and other metrics, Number 2 is clearly pep because he has the numbers on his side with impact on the game and style of play, Number 3 has to be wenger with Mourinho close 4th…
This isin't even a Debate. Fergie stands head and shoulders above everybody else. 2nd place goes to Pep Guardiola. Close for 3rd, but I slightly favour Mourinho over Anchelotti. Close for 5th between Arsene Wenger vs Jurgen Klopp which will be decided after Klopp finishes his managerial career.
@@derekrushe United nor Blackburn, even looked close to being title contenders til the 90s. And again, we're talking PL (92-present), otherwise, the GOAT Convo is between Shankly and Fergie
The Liverpool fan knew Klopp wouldn't make the cut, so he invented an obstacle to knock Pep out. Total B.S. 1. Fergie , 2. Pep, 3. Wenger.... (Pep & Wenger interchangeable).
Honestly, as much as I appreciate Jurgen Klopp for being able to transform teams like Dortmund (they didn't stay the same after he left) and Liverpool, he's honestly so overrated next to the likes of Fergie, Pep, Jose and Carlo given his lack of trophies compared to them.
Yeah why everyone brings klopp in conversation while mourinho and him have almost same year of managerial career pep has 8 years less and he does not also come in terms of trophy count neither legendary player managed
@@andrewsouthward2461 he and mourinho started almost at same time and pep started 7 years later Check pep and mourinho achievements with barca porto inter and don't dare to compare klopp eith these two legends
Putting mourinho in there over pep is ludicrous, major differences are pep footy is superior and he has longevity and more influence on how other teams play too
This show is so hung up on 00’s football it cannot appreciate current football. Longing for the days United arsenal and Chelsea were competing, be nice to have fans not from the ‘old big 4’ on the show for once
What a stupid comment, Arsenal, Chelsea and United are still more relevant then a Newcastle or a West Ham, especially in a debate about who the best manager of all time is. Think before you speak mate.
For me it's already Pep. If he has a higher winning percentage than Ferguson, arguably changed the league just as much as Wenger. I know the longevity isn't quite there, not necessarily his fault. Pep is probably already the goat.
@@hcamp74 that's a fair point - wenger did do well with a very low budget. Would you say it's a harder league now than it was back then though considering we have the big 6 now but back then it was 4 teams clear of everyone else?
fergayson was a scrub , Pep slap him multipe time till he got a brain problem .............Man utd lost twice in a UCL finals .....not once but twice LMAO
