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hey rig doctor is it possible to add that riser with the hinge to a pedal classic? to create a tiered system? thanks alot for any answer,

Ghuraba Dota I don’t know what a pedal classic is… Can you explain

@@VertexEffectsInc Sorry doc had the wrong nomenclature (I bought the board from someone else). So on amazon its listed as PT-CL2-SC 24"x 12.5". I believe the cl refers to classic (ie the rail spacing). Pedal train if i left that out , I was probably too excited when i was typing.

Ghuraba Dota No, because these have a pitch, our systems are designed for a flat surface, however we may come out with some that are for this application at some point in the future

@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks alot doc.I was thinking to fabricate the risers and add the hinges like ive seen you guys have so even though it's angular it will open and close angularly might result in an increase in size but the functionality is what i'm looking at. Can't wait to see what application you guys come up with you have yourself a guranteed customer here. I followed your advice with buffering and I'm using a tc polytune 3 with the integerated bona fide buffer at the start of my effects Drives etc a stand alone bonafide as well just before the cable to the front of the amp combined with one bonafide on the return of the fx loop amazing tip the sound is so different and really sounds like my guitar into the amp thanks alot rig doctor you are the man !!

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@@VertexEffectsInc how much do they charge for building a board like this?

The Pedalboard saves a lot, one thing to note is that the Schmidt Array board is a case as well, where we were just showing the board, without the case. But even so in the Pelican Air case it only added about 12 lbs. and you can fly with it as checked luggage. I don’t think you can do that reliably with the Schmidt, because if the case is damaged the case is also the pedalboard, so they have an intertwined fate if anything is damaged in transit.

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Thanks for watching! The good thing is that you could always use the best Tronics cable to solder with if you wanted to convert in the future.

Dani is the best! Such a great player!

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They got the stuff for sure! SOOOOO good!

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I’d say even more than that 😂😂😂

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best of the best! Love Marbin!

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Thanks man!!!

You may be able to have a certain condition where they are workable, but it doesn’t mean that they’re going to last forever, or even at the connections are that good, they just haven’t been disrupted to the point to cause failure.

all comes down to how well you build initially, and how much you mess with them afterwards! soldered joints fail too. solderless are far more vulnerable when they're constantly getting stress, ie. plugging and unplugging. I've got George L's patches that are 20 years old....

I don't think he'd do a collaboration. Some rig builders are more protective about their process than others.

Huh?

That's a Neutrik Silent Plug

The hinge does lock, there are two open holes with PEM nuts that can be locked from the side toward the front of the riser where the opening begins.

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We didn’t have time to shoot a detailed video about it when I was on the premises, I will be sure to do one as quickly as possible

The knobs have a grommet under it so it's pretty hard to move - but even so, the idea is that the loom needs to flow freely to reduce strain, and it can be tucked in next to the pedal (as there is enough slack to do so). If we secured it with a adhesive mounting base, it would have restricted the movement and ultimately have caused a failure over time. Believe me - we considered all possible ways to route the loom to the top row in the most trouble free way to ensure the longevity of the rig - this was the most logical outcome.

They’re amazing! Such an amazing band, especially love their live performances!

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I think the original was left there...I don't recall as this was Best Tronics upgrade - I don't do this on the rigs I build. Longer screws were required.

@@VertexEffectsInc Is that something they cut themselves or is it a sellable item? Also, do you have any alternatives for a hack like this?

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Danny said that he doesn’t change the settings on it or alternate between the two different sides, originally if you look in the early part of the video I had it situated outside of the riser, but he wanted it on the inside because he likes to swap out the T Drive for fuzz sometimes

@@VertexEffectsInc If he never messes with it I get it. Still seem like having the option would be nice. That T-Drive seem like it's much more a set and "forget" pedal? Maybe not?

Jacob Petersen I am with you, my instinct is to always put do a foot switch effects in a place that’s accessible

We will definitely still use them, however we have a lot of customers that are asking for a production board, so for the common sizes that we would use most often, having a physical product makes more sense. GOMC is more of a custom shop, so the demands in output for something that is more static is not really part of their long-term business model. I still love their boards and will still get them from them in the cases that the standardize sizes will not work.

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I left an email link in the description regarding inquiries for Best-Tronics, they provided all of the materials, and Brad and I split the labor about 30/70 with his team absorbing the majority of the workload. I was mostly there for documentation, doing some of the more complex wiring, soldering in certain places, and helping with the programming in interphase routing box. I think they charge a fair and reasonable hourly rate plus the cost of materials.

@@VertexEffectsInc Mason: thanks a ton. Much appreciate the reply. On reflection, it was kind of inappropriate for me to ask for even ballpark pricing here on such a public forum. My bad....thanks again for the info and I'm sure you did a bit more than you mention. :)

@@joesatchton212 I think it's a fair question. I don't really do this stuff for a living as I said in the video, which is part of why I did this video with Best-Tronics so folks could get a good sense of who does great work around the country. I'm sure it's a easy enough email to get a ballpark estimate from Best-Tronics and Brad. No harm done!

Yessir! Definitely check out Marbin!

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What you see in this video is all custom made as a part of our upcoming line of Pedalboard products, and risers. If you’re looking for some of the risers that we’ve used in the past, those all come from Fix Pedalboards , and you can buy those on their website, link in the description.

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Vertex Effects he’s so gold with recalling that one! What a player! Already downloaded Alabama Sock Party so we’ll see where that takes me! Thanks for putting such a great musician in the spotlight!

@@jonbarwick5946 yea man! Check out their stuff on Bandcamp, so much amazing stuff. Dani has amazing tones throughout!

hahaha well thank you

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I think it’s the 1615 air case or 1650, I forget, but the size of the pedalboard is 14” x 28”, and you can compare what the internal dimensions are on those cases.

Pedalboards will be available this spring

Vertex Effects Yes!! I’m looking forward to them!

@@dustinmbox me too!!!

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Vertex Effects, Boy it has an impressive set of specs!

Yes indeed, the Rolls Royce of switchers

That shouldn’t be a problem, we’re still trying to figure out pricing, cases, etc., but by the spring we should have a pretty well-established product line with various accessories, including the hinged risers.

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They can build it for you, I put their links in the description and email/contact info!

@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks RD I appreciate it.

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Tell him I said to step up to Pedal Train and Dual Lock.

Would you rather them be a different composition? This is the latest versus the strength, it’s painted with a non-conductive epoxy-based paint.

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Yessir...meant to get it done for this video, just didn't have time! Will post soon!

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Very true, but we didn't have to worry about that here.

There is a phenomenon with the Strymon pedals, when you turn them on and set them to completely 100% dry and then you turn them on and off you could hear some differences in how the dry tone is impacted. Secondly they are not always favorable in an effects loop, and often will not respond as well as they do at instrument level. The combination of those two things had us searching for products that meet the needs for Dani, both sonically with the A/D/A conversion as well as the effects loop impedance and the fact that he was only using one or two presents per Strymon pedal.

@@VertexEffectsInc well, that's just not true is it? Strymon Timeline has a 100% analoge dry path, the mobius doesn't because it's a modulation pedal.

Even so, that doesn’t qualify if there wouldn’t be some differences in how the processing works, and even with all things being equal, and saying for now that there was no difference on and off, the impedance is still an issue with many effects loops, as I believe these products are optimized for instrument level, presumably being used in front of an amplifier.

Vertex Effects impedance and line/instrument level are different things no? But yeah many of these “super devices” have a hard time with true line level. I’ve heard good stuff about the Boss 500-series in that regard, Friedman likes them in an fx loop.

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It’s a fantastic board! FOH engineer, I noticed you were so excited you forgot to route your jack through through your strap :P I notice the little things lol you sounds really good btw

Where’s that?

@@VertexEffectsInc I'm between Dubai, UAE and Bahrain.

@@playmoreguitar5393 probably around $80-100 I would estimate for shipping.

@@VertexEffectsInc I'll keep that in mind, looking forward to the final product. Such a good design!

I agreed, it is a double edged sword. But the idea is that you overbuild it to the degree that it almost can't fail I guess. And also I would expect any touring musician to carry some sort of backup. There are so many affordable, compact all-in-one solutions like the HX Stomp nowadays that'll get you through the gig in a pinch.

Pat, firstly, thanks for watching! I hope we've earned your subscription! 1) On Rhett's rig, I think even had it been less compact with everything visible, in a panic, we're all likely to get derailed no matter how consequential the problem is or not. On Rhett's rig at least, the issue wasn't due to workmanship or a failure, but rather an jack that was unplugged by TSA that wasn't put back into place. 2) It's a compromise. You can go overboard on neatness and have issues if it's not done right which makes troubleshooting hard. However, if the rig is really done by a pro that understands the likely issues and has a system and method behind that, I think it's better than leaving a scattering of cables on the board. I think there are two work arounds that are pretty easy to eliminate these sorts of issues. First, use a switcher to isolate the pedals, makes it easy to trouble shoot as every loop can be bypassed and limits the places you need to look for during a problem. Second, if you do track a problem to a loop, you just bypass the cable with a new one until you can manage it. If Loop 2 has an issue, just run a new patch cable from the send and return. If that doesn't work, it's the pedal or the hardware in the switcher itself. Often, technicians on these big tours have more guitar centric skills, and aren't electrically inclined to the degree of an amp technician - meaning they can struggle too with troubleshooting something methodically just as anyone else would that's not trained for it. If I'm building the board, and I've worked with both David Ryan Harris and Isaiah Sharkey (John Mayer's two other guitarists), I would opt for a clean rig with a switcher, and having something like our riser so that there is easy access to all pedals, and if done by someone like me, Best-Tronics or others, typical failures would not be the hardware, but rather stuff with the pedals, footswitches, etc. but the Switcher makes that easy to diagnose quickly. The bottom line is that guys can spend a lot of time making things looks nice, if you're using solderless cables, and things like that, you're going to increase the probability of a failure. Also, these guys (like the sidemen for Mayer), are yanking stuff on/off the boards all the time to try new gear during sound checks, which if the board is not built to do that will stress the cables, especially if they're solderless, and can cause failures over time. Often, and I'm speaking from experience of being on the stage and rehearsals four times during the "Search for Everything" tour, that most of these rigs are conceptualized during sound check and morph as the tour goes on. If there were a more concerted effort to build into the rig the modularity needed, it wouldn't' have to be a mess of cables in order to make it easy to change, troubleshoot, or modify. Thanks for the comment!

@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks for the detailed reply and taking the time - much appreciated. Thanks also for appreciating I was coming from a curiosity angle and not simply being an Internet Arse. It was actually Isaiah Sharkey who had the problem at the o2. I suppose what you're describing is the next level thinking needed for top level pros requirements. Lets hope TSA don't get their hands on this rig ;) Thanks again

@@mssqlguy - stay tuned for the next episode of the Rig Dr. You might be seeing Isaiah make a cameo appearance ;)

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My brother built himself a new one and gave it to me and all my pedals fit on it exactly perfect like it was custom built for me. I could t believe it.

Yep

We have a few custom/proprietary mixes of epoxy from our Fiber Optic Department. One of them crosses over to work perfectly on our DC power cables. Glue gun should work the same!

True story, my mom made it for me as a one off for christmas.... hahaha

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For what application?

@@VertexEffectsInc 8:39 - for potting the DC cable connectors.

@@jimgrill I disagree with this practice. You can't fix anything that's been epoxied. It's like a QuickSet JB Weld.

The buffers are in the RJM, the interface is all passive.

Soon, maybe April?

Vertex Effects Awesome! How’s the weight compared to let’s a say a GOMC traditional « sandwich » laminate+mdf+laminate pedalboard?

Vertex Effects so it’s April and am anxious for the new riser! I have money 💰 haha

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20 years of experience and über dexterity ;)

Vertex Effects That’s why Fender, Seymour Duncan, et. al., hire women to do the detailed work!

Didn’t know that

There are three programmable in the RJM and one in the Vertex boost before the preamp section of the amp

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Thank you Domi! Looking forward to seeing you in France!

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@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks, should have watched all of it.. :) Freakin heavy then!

Not really...are you looking at the before or after weight?

@@VertexEffectsInc Yeh, 15kg, I suppose it's what you are used to. All relative but considering how much you have on there it's pretty good. I'm a less is best guy when it comes to pedals, compact and light.

I challenge anybody to finds a pedalboard with that many pedals that’s lower in weight

That’s correct, the board is very heavy, and would require its own case if it were to realistically travel internationally and checked baggage. I can understand the space saving concepts with the hinge, and also the popularity of it amongst other RU-vid channels that are very prominent. However, from a practical standpoint I don’t know that it meets the weight criteria that most pros require.

@@VertexEffectsInc Agree on all counts.

I’m pretty sure they actually use the exact same cables you’re just buying different connectors, however I don’t recommend going the solderless route if you can help it

Vertex Effects I ordered the solderless kits before I knew about the SP400 and SP4 connectors (2014-15). That said for pedalboards that are well built and wires all tie wrapped with plenty of stress relief I had no trouble with the 3 solderless kits I ordered. The wires for the wilderness and soldered connectors are not the same.

@@VertexEffectsInc I'm pretty sure they're not using mogami.

@@edwinpringle7342 We use our own cable, which is used on this board. The CA-0678 cable

You'd have to email Best Tronics, not sure of their rates.

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He's a heck of a player, opened for Holdsworth for years and Scott Henderson on a few tours!

Brad’s been giving birth to great tone for a decade!

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Vertex Effects awesome will do. Can’t wait!

@@wheresallthezombies me too...they really turned out great!

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You must not have learned about the "silent D" in phonics....

Hey Miguel! Thanks for watching. You're right, the weight of the new board wasn't in context of a case, so not apples to apples, but follow me on this...we added a significant number of cables, so even in a the Pelican Air Case, it's still going to be less than the Schmidt, close, but still less with several more pedals, and big pedals in the volume pedal and wah at that. Secondly, you can't check a Schmidt without risking damage on an airline. Even shipping them in an improperly packed box can result in damage, so you'd really need a case, for your case if you're thinking of checking your Schmidt board with regularity, where the Pelican with any normal pedalboard would be sufficient for checking with little to no risk. That's all to say, that I think if weight is a concern, mechanics of the two boards withstanding, I think you're still much lighter weight going with an alternative to the Schmidt boards as cool as they are.

I suppose you could always email them for the price if you're wondering about it. I don't see this as a common practice generally of any company building things on RU-vid unless the explicit outcome of the video is to show something based on a budget.

Dre Batista Excellent point.

I asked Best-Tronics the same thing, this is what they normally stock and they prefer the durability of the labels they have, which are some sort of acrylic. I’m not sure how these compare to the Brother P-touch label’s that I would normally use in black, but I didn’t feel like this was worth in the amount of energy to contest since it’s not serving any functional purpose.

The consensus for touring artists and techs we do this for (we use the same labels on rack panels, etc.) was that the white with black is easier to read on stage.

@@BTPA_USA Bam! That answers that, function over form!

Vertex Effects All righty then. Consider me appropriately chastised. But I’m a weekend warrior with a much simpler board and the black suits me fine. Thanks for all the tips and tricks Mason!

How and why people feel the need to be that hateful on the internet will always be over my comprehension level. First thing in the video I noticed, he admitted his mistake. Always a great sign of a good person. Fuck off your negative doomer ass outta here

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I don't suspect you'll see that as this is all a matter of taste not a right/wrong answer.

You'll have to email Brad about that, I don't know what they charge.