Who Is The Real Villain Of UNDERTALE? Undertale Theory | UNDERLAB 

Maybe I should take a shot at being a villain... Hm, who knows! Here's a link to the music I orchestrated for this video if you're interested :) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gZPGTKt2Zhc.html

The true villain is Jerry

Flowey: It's KILL OR BE KILLED!!! Frisk: Flowey, have a snickers. Flowey: WHY? Frisk: You're not you when you're hungry. (Flowey eats Snickers) Frisk: Better? Asriel: Better.

I dont understand how everybody forgave flowey and NOT ASGORE

Huh. Determination stops you dying. That means Determination stops you being terminated De-Termination.

I think the real villian is the hole, if it wasn't there no one would get hurt

10:25 xD "flowey and the amalgamates" sounds like a good band name xD lol what??

'this evil possessed child' GET THE HOLY WATER

"What an excessive amount of determination can do" CALLED IT DETERMINATION IS A DRUG

The Comments 20% - "Jerry is the true villain" 79% - "The Toxic Fandom/The fandom is the enemy/the cancerous 12 year olds" 1% - Something else

The villain is you, You reset their lives, You pull the strings, You kill them thousands of times, Yet it's all a game to you, For that's what it is.

*"It's me! I'm secretly evil!"* *"Okay, not really."* Alphys you are so cute.

Determination is a force that can go either way: One can be -Determined- to set things right, and cause no harm (Pacifist) One can also be -Determined- to bring everything to an end (Genocide) I thought the message therein was obvious: "Sheer Willpower is a force that can do anything, so long as one never gives up." What got to me while playing Undertale was that certain monsters could retain recollection of past events; namely Asgore... You can confront him about the fact that he's killed you before (if you die), and he acknowledges it... It made me really wonder if the defeated humans got to him, and fought until they simply gave up. I also believe Flowey is an analogue to the player behind the screen, one who has 'seen it all, and grown bored' (which would lead to said person possibly committing grossly reprehensible acts, because 'they can't feel anymore for the characters' and 'it might be fun to see something new'... Which, given the context of being able to 'reset' and erase that damage... seems to seethe with malicious intent already...

I'll be staying away from yellow save points that fill me with DETERMINATION for a while! What do you think? Do you agree? Let me know in the comments! If you particularly enjoyed this episode, please like the Reddit post! www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/63mvpu/who_is_the_real_villain_of_undertale_undertale/

Open your eyes people, the villain of the UT world is the annoying dog, aka Toby Fox. Think about this, a small Pomeranian managed to create a world by randomly barking, if I'm not mistaken, right? (based on the secret room at the end of the game). Fair enough, this alone doesn't make him a villain at all, but think about this, the annoying dog upsets the player's path by constantly making the game more difficult and creates trouble for the characters: steals Toriel's phone, randomly appears to destroy Papyrus's special attack, and most importantly, STEALS THE ARTEFACT (which for all we know, could contain the cure to cancer, or the cure to Flowey's soullessness). Notice how the dog intervenes at certain points in the game to create a mess for everything. I hardly doubt that this small pup named Toby Fox is as innocent of a dog as he looks. I truly think this creature is hiding something; thus is more mysterious than Gaster. Also if this annoying dog is as omnipotent as it looks ( and he objectively is omnipotent because he managed to give you infinite residue after all), then why doesn't that same dog prevent the player from fully committing Genocide (where it would make more sense for it to intervene), or more importantly, if it is so powerful, IT SHOULD HAVE PREVENTED THE WAR OF MONSTERS AND MANKIND FROM EVER TAKING PLACE TO BEGIN WITH. But nah, the dog just fucks with everyone, doesn't he? :P Annoying Dog= Toby= Itanimulli= More Evil than Chara or the player! Triangle confirmed!

It was obviously the snowman in snowdin!

The true villain is... ...The Number One Villain... *R O B B I E R O T T E N*

You. Not Frisk, not Chara, not even Flowey. It's you. You reset. You kill. You play with the characters. Because it's just a game to you... and it is a game ;-;

Title: who is the true villain of Undertale? Me: Jerry

Determination can be used for both good and evil. Yes, it was what allowed you to do the genocide, but it's also what allowed you to survive Asriel's final attack in the pacifist run. Maybe it depends on how much self control the player has.

"Try not to wake up in the middle of the night with freaky red eyes under the control of Chara" Me: Awww! Why not?

Flowey and the amaglmates(?): Hit singles 1. We will survive 2. De-termination 3. Dear, human 4. Going in back in time on determination

So this is my opinion to the whole "Chara isn't evil" discussion. Well Chara... That's a complex topic. I wouldn't say that Chara is pure evil and he/she is definitly not the main villain of the genocide route but i wouldn't say that Chara is jesus reinkarnation either. He/she is what Asriel tells us "not the nicest person". Chara isn't black or white. He/she walks in this small line i would call grey. I'm not a person that blames Chara for the whole genocide think. I think that is the same thing as calling Asriel a crazy murderer for the things he has done when he was Flowey. Although here comes this littel hole where we aren't able to tell things for sure: Chara and Asriel accidently poisened the cake for Asgore. Chara just laugh over it (If i remember right how he/she reacted) This could be a way of Chara to hide his/her feeling of guilt or Chara might has really found that funny. we can't say that for sure. When Asriel and Chara were in the village Chara wanted to kill the humans. There are many possible reasons why he/she wanted that. 1: Chara doesn't wanted Asriel to die. 2: Chara wanted to kill them so they could get the seven souls to free the monsters. 3: Chara just hated humanity so much that they just wanted to kill all of them and didn't even want to stop there. Now here comes the thing: We can't really say why he/she reacted like he/she did. As long that there is no proof to that we can't really say for sure if Chara is A: completly innocent B: Just a kid who would kill someone to save the monsters or C: A crazy kid who wanted to destroy humanity. And even IF Chara came out to be a C i would not blame them for it. If Chara is a C than he/she is just what megalovania tells us. A megalomaniac. A person with an obsessiv dessire for power. A person who goes crazy if you only feed them with enough power. Would it make him/her in that case completly innocent? No. Would it excuse all the things that would have happened if Chara really would have destroyed humanity back there? NO. But at least i would say that it kind off makes him/her a littel, just a littel bit more innocent in all this. That's why i would say that Chara is in the grey zone. To everyone who has read this far i must advice you to think further. There isn't just black and white. There are many shades of grey (... That can't be normal english i talk here -_-) So please, just watch the next topics you discuss from all different sides. Sorry if my english is bad. It isn't my first language

the true villain is Undertail

the true villain is the fandom. hands down.

I actually don't think that determination is the "villain" of Undertale. The best analogy I can come up with is the Force from Star Wars. Determination is a lot like the Force, where it is a medium through which good or evil intent can be expressed. Even though determination isn't an actual character in Undertale, wouldn't it still break the pattern of ambiguity if we were to label determination as pure evil? No one in Undertale is wholly good or evil, and I don't think determination is either. The Force can be used to heal or cast lightning, and determination can be used to free monster-kind or wipe it off the face of the planet. Determination is not an evil force by itself. It's the intent of the user. Through the will of the player, determination can either be purified or corrupted. It's entirely up to them. Don't worry, I still enjoy your videos even if I disagree sometimes! :)

The real villain is the fan base.

"Beware of the MAN who speaks in hands." "Beware of the MAN who came from the other world." there are only THREE sprites in the game that have MAN in their names... Mystery man Watching man Every man

The magicians could be darkners like in Deltarune.

Did you know that Gaster speaks in the font Wingdings. Ya did? Oh I just wanted to be smart. V.V

I see you would like to find out who the true villain of undertale is... Ok then. This is one of their lines. "Hi. I'm Bob." DUN DUN DUNNN!!!!!

"Who really is the true antagonist of Undertale?" Me: "It's Xehanort!"

*You WOOD pick jerry NUTurally *its just human nature

the true villain is the toxic fandom.

"Flowey and the Amalgamates" DOES sound like a good band name. :33

oh yeah, flowey and the amalgamates is my favorite band.

"try not to wake up with freaky red eyes" -underlab 2017

Wait. The Way The Titles Are Capitalized... How Have I Never Realized It Before? My Turn To Start A Theory. What If Underlab... Is Kanaya Maryam?

0:57 Me (straight off of the most evil character video): IT'S JERRY!

The true villain is Toby for making this game very confusing

Humans make an entire species extinct just because they can Humans are animals, but they think they're above animals. The human community ruined games (FNAF & Minecraft) I see why Chara hated humanity

Good Video, also CONGRATULATIONS. You have reached 90k Subs. Can't wait for you to get 100k!

Request: A video on how Undyne and Flowey are related in some way shape or form. (semi spoiler warning) Reasoning: • In Undyne's fight, the dialogue, "Pollon surrounds the area" (or something related to that) appears • They both share similar quotes - for instance - "You're gonna have to try harder than THAT!" (quote present in both Undyne the Undying's battle and in the True Pacifist Route right before flowey attempts to kill you). Another quote from the Undying's batlle would be "All our hearts are beating as one and we all have one goal" which Asriel also quotes im the end. Both characters also consistantly say "DIE." • Omega Flowey's sculpted out appearance is shown in the True Lab. A Lab owned by Alphys, a character whom posseses a close relationship with Undyne. Those are just some thoughts though. Maybe look into it?

The true main villan of the undertale universe it's our determination to do everything that can be done ignoring if someone can gets hurt or even killed or erased from existence

DRINKING GAME!: everytime you hear the word determination, take a shot.

If you look at the memoryhead enemy and look closely, you can see part of a gaster blaster. Maybe memoryhead is gasters memorys.

I think the true villain is you because you decide if you kill or not. you have the power to the save and reset and other monsters don't have that power.Chara wasn't the one doing this you were..it was you the whole time...Many people blame flowey for this but after he was killed by the humans and was soulless having no compassion.

I'd say the real villains of Undertale are: Flowey in the Neutral Route, Asriel in the Pacifist Route, and the player/Chara in the Genocide Route.

Did...did you just call Frisk Asgore's wife around @8:22 ? That's... a ship I that comes completely out of left field unless you look at raintaker's dating trash frisk comics.

I always figured 'chara' was a shortening of 'character', and thus, should be pronounced 'Kara' but each to their own. I wouldn't dare claim my way is any more correct than any others

True villain is Toby Fox, he created every copy of the game and also made it possible for the player to kill.He also programmed and sprited every code and sprite that details the monster's suffering.

I think you got really close with this idea. There's one more character in the story that you never consider, though rarely anyone does. US. The player. The player is a key component in the story and I think that's ultimately what Toby Fox was getting at with this game. We, the players, are the true villains of the story, because we are the ones who won't let the other characters have their happy ending. Our curiosity, determination, and boredom prevents the Underground from having it's true pacifist ending, since what do we all do after doing a true pacifist ending? We reset the timeline and start killing everyone. Maybe after that we go back to the true pacifist ending, but even then we never get the satisfaction we got initially, our curiosity doomed everyone in the end, and we the players took away the happy ending.

the picture of the creepy face you showed gave me the idea of my story WORLDTALE, the main character is my OC, Jason, a half-human half-monster hybrid due to inheriting that trait from his ancestors. The main antagonist is the world destroyer, a malevolent and mysterious being that feeds on death, war, famine, and conquest, and wants to devour everyone and everything. the deuteragonists are a group dedicated to stopping the world destroyer, mainly consisting of Gaster, Asriel, Chara, Sans, Alyphs, Frisk, and the recently revived six humans. However, the world destroyer has allies of its own, one them is Maxwell, a bored young man who wanted a much higher meaning than he had in his life. will Jason and his friends stop the world destroyer?

Obiously it's King Mel!

Determination alone is bad. But in pacifist, does Frisk really just show determination? You can use determination to show kindness, integrity, bravery, justice and perseverance. Frisk literally and meterphorically does that XD

Hey I have a vid idea "who is using the broken elevator?"

Undertale is a unique game that expands from its own code. If you chose to be a mod developer you are choosing the role of a god in Undertale. If you just play the game normally you are frisk, playing the game by modifying the files turns you into a demon capable of dealing infinite damage, but still cant alter the timeline so much the game actually functions different. Undertale is linked to the real world in many ways, and thus evil is linked to our world as well.

Are you a real villain? Well technically uh, NAH

I have an idea for a future video: When did Toriel tell Sans to protect the human? When did she have the time when you came?

I'm the Best Villain Everyone of my kind looks up to me. Even when I'm almost defeated. Villains don't give up until they're dead. But am I the villain everyone thinks I am? Now replace villain with hero and read it again.

I know who the true villain is! It's Jerry

The true villain is Toby fox: you could never know Nyeh heh heh

I totally agree with that last point about Determination being manipulated by those who are evil

Whoever it is, the true villain is not Asgore, and never will. To me, this game doesn't have any 'real' antagonists. It depends on what you do in the game. If you do pacifist, there are enemys but no real antoganists. But if you do the Genocide path, YOU, the player yourself is the true villain

i laughed when underlab said "Try not to wake up in the middle of the night with freaky red eyes under the control of chara

That's the plot twist: the main villain in the game is... THE PLAYER.

5:08 No, Alphys says they lack the physical matter to hold Determination, as their bodies are made of magic. Also it seems humans can use magic, if they die in the process.

How does Underlab not have 100K subs yet??

"We" the players are the "Determination" in Undertale.

It's JERRY!

This theory brings me a whole new light on determination. This theory makes sense.

THE GREY DOOR FROM THE SECRETS VIDEO You showed that evil determined laughing face at the end of undertale secrets

Hmm... FLOWEY AND THE AMALGAMATES does sound like a good band name, someone make this a band

The true villan... WAS ME THE WHOLE TIME!!! Edit: Flowey/Asriel was just a PAWN!

"Detetrmination" is a bit like the blade you find within Asgore's house--the choices you make as a player determine how you see it. and how you use it. Used for good, it allows you to free all the monsters and return home; used recklessly or apathetically, it will bring unrelenting ruin.

Underlab, you should totally do a vid on what's in Asgore's house's basement.... Bc in Toriel's house, it was the way out of the ruins, while in Asgore's home, it's blocked off...

flowey : can feel all emotions but can't feel love and compassion fandom: can't feel any emotion but hatred flowey: only start killing monsters after countless of resets with him solving everyone's problems , and was nervous about it at first . fandom: was killing monsters from the very beginning . and is the most thing he enjoys doing. flowey : is a sympathetic character who is mentally damaged and suffers from strong trauma . fandom: is a weed asswhole with no redeeming qualities and deserve all the horrible things that happened to him . flowey : does redeem himself at the end of the pacifist ending pleading chara not to reset so frisk and everyone else can live happily . fandom : didn't learn anything , still an asshole even after the pacifist end , and want to kill everyone for no reason . flowey : is asriel . fandom : the fuck is asriel ?

HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU SAY DETERMINATION IN THIS VIDEO

in the cutscene with the stuff about humans and monsters, did anyone else notice one of the humans that sealed the barrier (i think) looks somewhat like Kirs from Deltraune?

It sounds like Another Medium at 0:57 has been altered. If there's a full remix of this out there I would love to hear it.

I think Frisk is the true villain. He killed, reset, and everything else to give others the worst life ever.

For those chara defense squad people. we get it. chara in your eyes are good,and we are the bad guys! now can't you just let people think that chara is evil? let us have our opinons instead of repeatedly saying, "#CHARADEFENSESQUAD" or, "CHARA DEFENSE SQUAD ATTTTTACK" like it's friggin world war 3.

Awesome vid!

Woah, I heard something low in the background during the grey distorted part, you putting in easter eggs?

Main enemy of pacifist and neutral routes: Flowey Main enemy of genocide: Sans (or Chara)

Dude, the true villain is clearly jerry.

Ooh, very interesting! I honestly expected the villain to be a character, rather than a character trait. It's an idea that I haven't heard before, and I'm pleasantly surprised! And I quite agree ^_^ Yet I do have a thought, one which you did mention in the video. Firstly, consider the common quote, "Money is the root of all evil." Some people have taken a second look at it and noticed that it isn't necessarily true. Both because it's technically a misquote, and also because money can be used for very good things as well as bad. The misquote takes a jab at the substance, rather than the misuse of said substance. More accurately, "The love of money is the root of all evil." Similarly, would it be necessarily true to call Determination the villain of Undertale? I'm wondering if the same notion applies, that Determination isn't necessarily an evil substance/trait. You did touch upon this subject in the video, and I just wanted to perhaps expand upon it, if that's alright. Sans even asks the player in the "church" (I'm not sure if it's a church or not...) if you kill Papyrus, that if someone possessed a power such as Determination, that that someone is obligated to use it to save as many people as they can. Like you said, in the Pacifist Route, so much good can come about if the player decides to use their Determination for the good of the citizens of the Underground. Plainly, Determination can be used for good as well as bad. Only when it is meddled with-such as when Alphys injects monsters with it without justification, or misused-such as when Flowey uses it to kill people in different ways and in different combinations, that it brings about destruction. So would it be more accurate to say that, "The misuse or lust for Determination is the villain of Undertale"? (Or did I just basically describe "Megalomania" on accident? Whoops...) I dunno. XP Thoughts? (By the way, awesome video! :D I really enjoyed it! And I apologize, I didn't mean to write an essay -_- lol)

This force is also apparent in ancient Greek folklore (i.e antigone by sophocles) there it is called Hybris

Hmmmm..........has to be Jerry

Do you take ideas for theories?

Determination is just a nebulous concept, it's really all down to individuality of the player that determines what is evil. I have never played a genocide playthough of Undertale and only ever used the kitchen knife on asgore at the end of a neutral playthough, but didn't make the killing blow choosing to spare him, only for flowey to kill him.

Determination is kinda like the force from Star Wars. "...it can be used for good..." Like the force, determination is a natural force that both good and bad people use.

hello reader you are awesome and nice for reading this

I'm sorry but well chara is no villian. Where is chara defense squad? I sugess judgement boy's video who is the real villian of undertale. no I don't hate underlab he just made it sound like chara is more evil. At least for me

I think you'll reach a hundred thousand subs before June.

Why do I love the intro?

2 minutes after upload! Like and let's watch! :)

i'd like to wake up and see that i'm controlled by Chara :P

The face at 10:54 is so freaking scary it will be in my nightmares

Can you make a theory on Frisk obtains money from sparing or killing monsters? OR maybe where the money even came from.