I was in the soul carin and he delivered a letter to me about my wife dying.... The soul carin... I WAS AMONGST THE DEAD... WHOSE ONLY WAY TO GET IN WHILE ALIVE, IS UNDER A CASTLE INFESTED BY BUFFED UP VAMPIRES!! WAYYYYY UP FUCKING NORTH!!! *WHOSE ONLY WAY TO GET THERE IS BY BOAT!!!!!!!* he's not intelligent... he's just a God who wanted a part time job which he takes waaaaaay to seriously..
My favorite Glitch cause I no longer have to care what Armor I wear, and what weapon I use. I use Fur Armor the exposed torso Variant. Scaled Gauntlets. And Forsworn Boots. To top it off an Alik'r Hood with an Alchemy Enchantment.
The smartest people in Tamriel are the goddamn guards. They can know you even if they haven't seen you before, see fur coming out of your ears through your helmet, and know the rightful owner of any item they haven't seen. Godlike intelligence.
@@longleaf1217 Word in Skyrim travels fast. I slept just for an hour after I killed Gelog and everybody knew about her death all over Skyrim within an hour lol.
My head canon is that he achieved CHIM (or is actually the personification of Lorkhan (there is a cool theory about that one)), but is just chill about it instead of getting on an ego trip like Vivec.
@@coolboiztoyzxl7261 telling others about the truth they could not handle marking himself for thousands of his eternal life as the only being with the title "liar"
Concept A Skyrim prequel where you play as a young redguard who leaves his home in hammerfell in search of a beautiful place he once read about. He travels with caravans and makes his way to Skyrim all the while facing off with bandits giants and the occasional cult. And finally right before the credits roll he sees it The cloud district
No, if you play a young redguard, it has to be an aspiring warrior in search of adventure. He goes and beats all challenges Hammerfell has to offer, before heading on to Cyrodiil. Then he fights his way through all provinces, and while he is face to face with death many times, he manages to overcome all of his enemies. With the money he makes, he lets the greatest blacksmith in Tamriel forge himself a custom armour, so he is clad from head to toe in plate. This makes him almost invincible, and after he has faced even the greatest champions of the daedric princes, he realises he made the game to easy. And, on that disappointment... He heads towards Skyrim. There he hopes to find a final challenge, a worthy opponent. Dragons have returned, he learns, even Alduin himself. Miraak, the first Dragonborn is causing terror, a Civil War ravages the province and a mighty Vampire Lord threatens all inhabitants. But when he arrives, he realizes that everything is over already. Alduin was beaten, Miraak has perished, peace has been restored and the Vampiric threat is no more. There was one Hero who beat them all. And at that moment, the warrior from Hammerfell decides to put on his full set of enchanted Ebony armour, ready his curved, life-draining ebony sword and his icy Ebony bow. For he has done all that can be done. There is nothing left. No quests to be undertaken. No villains to be slain. No challenges to face. Except for the Dragonborn.
@@otwk Only True Witch-King and then he enters whiterun to find the dragonborn and then he hears it a voice. "Do you get to the cloud district often" he turns and see him standing there his perfect mirror his long lost brother Nazeem. But before the warrior can utter a word he's cut cut off "what am I saying of course you don't" his brother looked at him with a sneer of derision the warrior was stunned unable to utter a word and as his beloveded long lost brother walked away the warrior crumbled for It was true. He could kill an entire legion of imperial soldiers with his hands bound and his eyes blindfolded, yet he would never be worthy enough to climb the steps to dragonsreach and see the cloud district not like his most noble brother Nazeem. Knowing this the warrior sat and waited for the dragonborn to come it was the only way to become worthy enough to enter the cloud district. He would either slay the dova or die trying all he knew is that life was not worth living till he was as worthy as the mighty Nazeem.
The Augur of Dunlain was able to become pure magicka (essentially becoming a part of Aetherius) without having to unite any empires, fiddle with any god bits or hack the game. He did it purely with his knowledge of the arcane.
I don't get why everyone hates Nazeem. He really isn't that bad just arrogant. Maven black briar is far worse. Hell even Balgruuf's kids are worse than Nazeem.
that dude was def not mannimarco lol if u had played ESO u would see a MASSIVE power spike between the real one and the one we kill in oblivion I mean the real one in ESO has the ability to use the power of molag bal and pull forth molag bal's daedric world so.... imagine if u met that one in oblivion lol
@@vandakaii2893 I would be inclined to say yes if it weren't for the fact that Bethesda has a record of making the ES boss fights way easier than they really should be. I'd certainly be much happier if it were the fake Mannimarco, it's just that I think they genuinely buggered up and made it too easy, as they've done plenty of times.
Anyone who has organs and can bleed and does not wear armour should not survive from (at that point in the story an arguably experienced and geared up) Hero of Kvatch swinging an enchanted sword while Manimarco sits on a throne wearing nothing but a robe and an amulet to protect himself the Hit and run nature of this quest is what makes it exciting.
@@dz1933 That would be realistic, but to be fair you can stab certain unarmoured people for several minutes in elder scrolls games and they still won't die. Game logic I guess.
also, he was the only one to make an escape attempt, even though they were being executed, and thus there is no reason not to go for it. i mean, what are they gonna do, kill you?
Shady Sam Well, he might’ve died in the attack, sure. But ulfric, the player, Hadvar/Ralof, and at least some others (to spread the rumors of the attack that start out before you even leave) must’ve lived. Not a guarantee but a lot better chances!
Or he called Alduin in his prayer to Akatosh. Knowing that the Dragonborn was in the carriage with him and if not for Lokir, Alduin would've ended Skyrims current era.
I appreciate the honorable mention of Sybille Stentor, but you can't compliment her abilities to spend decades in a political society as a vampire without acknowledging Janus Hassildor, the vampire Count of Skingrad. He's been a vampire for 50 years and a Count for (probably) most of it. He was tight with the Mages Guild - enough that they often used his knowledge to their own pursuits; And he enlisted the help of the Hero of Kvatch to find a cure for vampirism so he could cure his wife, because he was smart enough not to pursue the cure himself to avoid drawing attention to his vampirism. Who knows, maybe he's _still_ Count of Skingrad.
I'm so glad someone mentioned Janus Hassildor. He's definitely a overlooked character by most and he's a very interesting and clever individual. Definitely one of my favorite Elder Scrolls characters.
@@oneofmanyparadoxfans5447 Depends what you consider "being found out" by the public, or by anyone. I think it was 10 years total. Sure, he was discovered eventually but it's pretty impressive to impersonate the emperor for that long!
You could argue that Vivec is smarter, because he achieved CHIM, while the other two members of the Tribunal didn't. You have to be pretty intelligent to realize... well... you know.
@@LabTech41 while yes, you need to have strong sanity in order to not get zero summed, but i don't think it was very smart of vivec stopping a giant rock and telling everyone that if people stop worshiping him, he'd let the said rock destroy the whole city, also the said city is named after him which can be confusing if someone is talking about the city or the god-like elf You also could argue that tiber septim/talos is also the smartest since he also achieved CHIM
@@Cappuccino_Rabbit Understand that for those who achieve CHIM, their perspective on the world fundamentally changes, and as such their behavior would change accordingly. It's no accident that those who get there are no longer present in the affairs of Tamriel: the confines of a single world bore them, and so they move on to higher planes.
Obviously is M'aiq. He knows that he is in a game, breaks the 4th wall (mentioning the mechanincs and easter eggs) and he is inmortal (the timespam between the games is huge). Skooma gives you power
I disagree, history has merely recorded that he was gifted with tonal arts, He is the primary suspect for the disappearance of all but one of the Dwarves after all. An intelligent person wouldn't have tried to mess with an item capable of damaging time itself.
@Robinson Papo If you mean zerosumming, the dwemer didnt as zero summing means complete erasure of everything you were, are and will be and everything you ever did will be reversed. Noone wouldve remembered the dwemer and there obviously wouldnt be dwemer ruins.
@@lucienlachance8500 Not exactly. If it was complete erasure then people in-game wouldn't know what zero-summing is, and as the book "et'Ada, Eight Aedra, Eat the Dreamer" says that the moth priest that reached zero-sum left his knowledge in a spore-dream. Meaning that zero-sum is more of the erasure of the person but the actions still happened. Truth is, no one knows what happened to the dwemer, they may have become the skin of numidium as per word of MK ( en.uesp.net/wiki/General:Made_Up_Word_Round_Up ), they may have zero-summed or something else, though if Falion's dialogue is to be believed they may be in some plain of oblivion.
I think it really comes down to three possibilities: Sotha Sil, Divayth Fyr, or Kagrenac. Talos didn't need to be intelligent to mantle Lorkhan or achieve CHIM. He needed a truly massive ego. Sotha Sil was also a god and managed to create truly unparalleled (even by the Dwemer) technological marvels. Divayth Fyr was covered in your video. Kagrenac was a genius who nearly managed to create an artificial god in Numidium, thwarted in the end by the First Council. But not for a lack of intelligence!
I'd say falion is pretty high up there, He's the only known mortal to cure vampirism by the time of skyrim (from the information given to the player) He also is clearly very knowledgeable with the daedra and aedra claiming he's met some. Not to mention he's clearly traversed the plains of oblivion considering he's the only human alive to have met a dwemer at the time of skyrim.
@@JayVon_Ro We encounter Sotha Sil several times in ESO. He is portrayed as something akin to Doctor Manhattan - obsessed with knowledge, but at the same time trapped by time, as he can see the entirety of his existence from beginning to his own end.
@@JayVon_Ro wait... Kargranec is Lorkhan? Isn't he the Drawven King? Who took Keening and Sunder and stabbed the Heart of Lorkhan? Won't that mean he basically stabbed himself Or is this some other Kargranec
Hands down smartest. If he actually wrote books and shared his knowledge, then tamriel would be drastically changed. By now he pretty much should know about everything.
He also temporarily defeated nocturnal in her own oblivion realm. Fyr is the most powerful mortal in tamriel, magic users will always be at the top of the list.
I feel like Uriel Septim VII deserves a mention, if only for sending 3 player characters in a row where they needed to be. He sent a friend to Daggerfall to figure out a haunting, (haven't finished it yet, don't spoil it) sent a prisoner to Morrowind who became the Nerevarine, and let a prisoner out, when the blades wanted to leave them, and they kinda stopped the Oblivon Crisis. Whether he was guided by the stars or not, those are still some impressively good decisions
@@bucky90269 Definitely not Arngeir. What sticks out to you that makes him seem intelligent? All he does is live by Jurgen Windcaller's teachings of the Way of the Voice and lead the Greybeards.
@@French408 Really? Pretty sure he is one of the wisest characters in the game. He warns the DB about the Blades and knows that they are blind pawns who only live to serve the empire. He also chooses to stay out of the civil war conflict because he knows that it is petty and that nothing good is going to come from taking a side. He also warns the DB that learning to speak in the dragon tongue is a huge responsibility and tries guiding him so he doesn't turn bad like Miraak. And ya I'd say that anyone who devoted their entire life to learning and living like a monk has a vast knowledge of the world... A better question. Why do you think he is unintelligent?
I'd urge everyone to read "The Doors of Oblivion" as I believe it tells the story of one of the smartest and most accomplished person in history: Morian Zenas. Should definitely make the list here. He has reached the planes of every Daedric Prince and finally settled in Hermaeus' plane. I wonder what became of him.
One of my favorite books in the Elder Scrolls games is the light armor skill book “The Rearguard.” My man in the book may be one of the smartest characters in the series. He not only managed to troll an entire army single-handedly with nothing but a shipment of netch leather, he spent his free time between attacks reading the whole damn castle library-including the law books. Fast forward a LONG time, and the invading army is brought to a truce when the castle lord finally returns with reinforcements. Keep in mind that a single virtually unarmed bosmer has been holding the keep on his own while venturing out at night to harass the invaders and steal supplies. The invaders are convinced he’s some kind of ghost or something because they can’t seem to hurt him on the rare occasions they even find him. When the castle lord tries to screw him over and deny the badass his pay for holding out single handed for like a year (because he snuck into the orchard and ate some apples), our boy claps back with a clause from the law books about abandoned castles and residency laws-basically, abandoned castles become the property of the occupant if the lord is gone for more than a set amount of time. The king finds in favor of the bosmer merc, who is then made lord of the castle. It stays in his family.
There's also Immortal Blood where a vampire hunter called Movarth sought to learn all he could about the different vampire clans from a knowledgeable priest. He'd ask about a clan, go a'hunting and report back any inaccuracies that would've surprised a less prepared person. Because vampire hunters cannot afford to be surprised. Both parties learned from each other about the capabilities of the different clans and how to counter them. Eventually, he wanted to know about the vampires of Cyrodiil, who were said to be indistinguishable from mortals when fed and thus impossible to locate. After a month of searching, he returned tired with nothing to show for it. That was when the priest took him by surprise and turned him into the Movarth we see in Morthal.
@@publiusdraco2557 it would be hilarious if Herma Mora was stupid as hell, but just loved collecting books and using words he doesn't understand to sound smart.
@@publiusdraco2557 He's the hipster Daedric Prince. I once saw him sitting at one of the Cafés in Solitude Harbor that was next to a Library, that didn't exist there before that moment.
@@Moshthun I've heard people point this out before, he may be able to recite volumes of data, but not actually able to comprehend it in any meaningful way. It's similar to how he apparently has no interest in Elder Scrolls is an interesting wrinkle.
@@malachaicarter4338 Herma Mora lowkey is the smartest Daedric Prince in my opinion ( I personally think he tricked the Dwemer and caused their disappearance) After him would be Meridia, Azura and Mehrunes Dagon
There has to be a relation between Tiber Septim’s relationships with two Shezzarines, Wulfharth and Zurin, and his manteling of Lorkan. He used their hearts/life energy to power the Numidium, which had the ability to alter reality and could’ve made the 3 of them the new Lorkan aka Talos. For him to just “achieve Chim” and mantel himself seems far too simplistic of an explanation.
Talos became a God by means of an Enantiomorph, through which he mantled Lorkhan. He didn't just "use" CHIM to make himself Lorkhan. That would be too profound a change and would cause the Dreamer to expel him from the dream. We don't know much about CHIM, but if the user of it tries to change too much then they cease to exist, as if they zero-summed.
Avarti: Who is the smartest person in the Elder Scrolls? Also Avarti: This is a trick question. The answer is no one since they are all idiots and also you should never side with any of them because I will explain why.
its nowhere said that gelebor lived when the nord invaded. remember, the vale was overrun by falmer as they are now, meaning that it happened thousands of years after the atmorans conquered skyrim and gelebor and his brother could have just been born in the vale.
@@ichbinjasokreativ2452 but he said he remembers, that the Snow Elves took the deal of the Dwemer, which wasn't too long after the nords conquered skyrim, so he was alive back then
@@tintinlchevreau1135 he doesn't say that he remembers it as in "I was there when it happened", he could've just been told as much by his parents/teacher.
The warp in the west is the event where every daggerfall ending is canon. So mannimarco is a god and a mortal. There is twi mannimarcos in the universe until you kill the lich version in oblivion. The god manninarco yet lives however, as his power is the only thing that can create black soulgems. Also a correction on chim and mantling. Chim is the realization that the universe and oneself is just a dream, and in the face of this reality, say that one is real as well. These contradictory ideas properly balanced allows one to bend the dream, thus the universe to their will. Mantling on the otherhand is the act of becoming so much like a particular god, the universe will transform you into that god. And this can happen without the persons knowledge or intent as well. To mantle a deity, you must take on their aspects and have circumstances and behaviors that mirror it and lastly you must complete a prerequisite task or state of being to complete your apotheosis, like losing your heart, betraying your allies and contain the soul of the doom driven hero to mantle lorkhan, this is how wulfhart, tiber and arctus became a single entity when they became talos. So chim is lucid dreaming, mantling is the universe mistaking you for a god and thus bending reality to make you into that god.
You mentioned that Sybil Stentor was working with the high king and the current jarl for 2 decades. It was much longer than that, she mentioned that she was appointed to her position by the last high king as soon as he was appointed to that position and even helped raise him from birth. So her manipulation goes well beyond what you stated in the video, she could have been involved for 60 years depending on the age of the last two high kings.
Who could have ever predicted him to successfully plan around and put an end to the Greymarch, or take a vacation inside a dead madman's subconscious? There seems to be no limit to what he can do if he wants to.
Lorkhan is considered the god of mortals right? As in, the god of men? Shor is the nordic version of Lorkhan IIRC Talos is called "the true god of man" (aka. the true god of mortals) Taking this into account, could it be that Tiber Septim mantled Lorkhan/Shor by becoming the first one to unite Tamriel being a man (instead of a Mer), essentially elevating men as the true rulers of Tamriel, so if he not only achieved CHIM, but was also considered the Emperor of Tamriel, and also the ruler of mankind, could it be that he basically filled the role of Shor? It's just a hipothesis and I think it may have several holes, but hey, just a thought that came to mind
he ruled all mankind, he had godlike power through CHIM, the mortal tiberseptim/talos/hjalti was a shezarrine, the god talos was an oversoul of three shezarrines, potentially all three were betrayed and had their heart(soul) ripped out to serve as a powerful artifact and power the numidium in alternate timelines. (the activation of the numidium caused a dragonbreak in daggerfall, the creation of the mantella and activation of numidium back in tiber's day certainly did so as well}. talos isn't just so much like lorkhan that he mantled lorkhan, for all intents of fate reincarnations history power position and more he simply IS lorkhan.
@@orthranus3352 Huh... interesting connection you found there, this is actually starting to make sense. You are also Ysmir and Dragonborn, canonically a nord. All that plus the fact that you have saved the world, of, you know... MORTALS might mean that the LDB really is a shezzarine, which considering that someone who KNEW Tiber Septim think that you (the LDB) are him, it actually makes sense Edit: It makes sense that Talos might be Shor making these connections
They aren’t blind or dumb those are just the hybrid falmer x frost troll children used as guards and all of the actual falmer/snow elves just hide whenever somebody enters their cities
that part of TES lore is a bit weird: when the gods created the mortal realm, their essence became part of it and they gave it form. Nirn is part of all divines, the other planets are embodiments of the gods themselves. Masser and Secundas, the moons of Nirn, are both Lorkhan, them being separate resembles Lorkhan´s "death". Arkay is also responsible for a planet, which has it´s own moon, which supposedly resembles mannimarco, sometimes blinding arkay´s view of nirn and thus allowing better necromancy. They´re not literally planets, the planets just embody their influence over the mortal realm. contrary to popular belief, mannimarco also wasn´t the first lich, that title goes to the dragon priests we find in skyrim. they just didn´t achieve it by themselves.
8:18 I would argue that him uniting the continent with help from advisers shows MORE intelligence than doing so without. This is because not only does it show a knowledge that he understood his weaknesses but also understood that it would be less likely that mistakes would be made.
Speaking of Talos, it would be good to see a full video on your interpretation of what exactly Talos is, as well as an analysis of The Arcturian Heresy. Most people don't realise that Talos is a lot more complex than Tiber Septim simply mantling Lorkhan, Taos is an enantiomorph of several heroes- Hjalti Earlybeard, Ysmir Wulfharth, Zurin Arctus the Battlemage and Underking, as well as Tiber Septim the lad himself. Perhaps the best depiction I've ever seen of what Talos may be is this Venn diagram i.imgur.com/Sx0Gkfw.png
By this Logic, I can Firmly now Plant why the Empire is now Bad for Everyone. Tiber Septim, If he instead Used his Immortality to both rule & guide Civilization to Higher Understanding/Knowledge (Enlightenment).... That's an Empire I can get behind. And *I am RIGHT To THINK THIS!* Because in Morrowind IT IS HIGHLY SUGGESTED the that *Neravar Meets TALOS in Person.* So there For By Avarti's OWN Logic, Talos himself with ALL His Intellect... *CHOSE TO ABANDON THE EMPIRE...* I wonder why? The Empire we have now... Is but a Broken Dream... A Broken Promise.... Corrupted. It's more a-kin to a Cancer now. Once the Thalmor are (AND WILL BE) Defeated. The Empire should be next.
Actually what you just described is *mantling* not Chim. Chim is where you truly become a god and gain knowledge of the godhead while mantling is when you take the place of a Aedra or Daedra which seems to be a helpful step in achieving true chim but does not let you re-shape reality like when Talos removed jungles from the history of cyrodiil using chim.
I think that one dude in the mages college that was really close to finding out what happened to the dwemer he in my opinion was the closest but he disappeared like the dwemer
Arniel Gane should be in contention. The dwarves were the most advanced society Skyrim has ever known, and he was able to replicate their greatest feat.
Hermaeus Mora is the most wrong answer you can give, for one simple reason. Hermaeus Mora himself stated that he cannot create knowledge only steal it.
@@Ice-xl6gy If you were to "steal" all the knowledge in the universe, would you not be intelligent? Wouldn't you then be all-knowing? What's the difference between stealing knowledge and just learning?
@@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 You don't have to know the knowledge when you steal it. You just have to know what to look for. Mora essentially has Wikipedia access. He can know everything, but he has to look it up online first. That's how I understood it. Imagine it like you keep buying books that interest you yet you never read them. But because they are great books you still keep them.
@@johnbishop9621 That's a reasonable explanation I guess. Although likening it to Wikipedia means that he's still all-knowing, but he thinks a bit slower; and likening it to having a bunch of books that you don't read would imply that he simply doesn't recall the knowledge in those books. I wouldn't call it stealing knowledge, but this is probably the best explanation I've heard about old Hermaeus yet.
Sotha Sil as presented in ESO - he is written in such a way that makes you feel as if talking to a higher being. His deterministic approach and intellect to actually see the causality between things... he also built the clockwork city
My character, they're the only person capable of downing endless bottle after bottle of skooma whilst single handedly winning a civil war against the Stormcloaks.
after you stop potema from being resurrected, sybille will start to just sleep all the time, people have said this could be because she was somehow involved with Potema and all her energy ended up drained afterwards. Also considering she's the first to tell Elisif that her scrying has found nothing in the area and discourages her from investigating fully
Could a mortal become a god by gaining the Heart Of Lorkan then use that power to absorb the power of even more magical, aedric & daedric artifacts and be powerful enough to challenge the Nine Divines and absorb their power and gain even greater power?
Not really but also kinda. You see he was incorrect about Chim. The process of taking on the aspect of a divine is actually called mantling while chim is becoming a true god. You see the entire TES universe takes place within the sleeping godhead. When you mantle you basically act so much like a devine you trick the godhead into thinking you are and then you become them. This is how the Hero of Kavatch from TES IV becomes Sheagorath. Talos did do this but he also acheived chim which is acheived through, from what we can tell, massive ego but also something else we don't know. When you acheive it you gain knowledge of the godhead and can now reshape reality, but if you fail to acheive it you cease to have ever existed. Also Talos never had the heart himself making his Nimidium weaker and he did ascends higher than the divines with chim anyways so the items don't seem to be that important.
Ra’jinn: he managed to become a God, and he didn’t need to achieve CHIM or use a powerful artifact like the Heart of Lorkhan or the Mantella. Sotha Sil: he managed to improve on the Dwemer’s designs and go from crude automatons to fully fledged articulate intelligence. He also managed to discover that he’s a character in a video game, and unlike Vivec, he didn’t need CHIM to do it. Mankar Camoran is not smart. He doesn’t even know which Princes rule over which realm of Oblivion, which is basic knowledge for any Daedrologist. I also wouldn’t consider him a God since he was the only one in Paradise that wasn’t immortal.
