91% win rate since 1855 by Grey College is a mind-blowing stat I'm very impressed by all this while also producing a production line of quality players year in year out is something to marvel at. Long may it continue
Absolutely a phenomenal result. I doubt weather there is any sports team anywhere in the world - that has a better win record. The OFS still the “Model Republic”. “Allen’s sal regkom as jy jou plig doen”. President J.H.Brand.
Why are South African school boys so much smaller and weaker than NZ schoolboys in general?? It’s because NZ are blessed to have Pacific Islander boys that are genetically huge, physical and aggressive from a young age … SA can only dominate Nz teams filled with white boys hahaha 😂😂 Samoans, Tongans and Fijians dominate this sport
The fact that Joeys in Australia got about 10 seconds and the wrong footage completely is embarrassing. They’ve got the most Wallabies of any school in Australia by a margin. Not to mention an All Black (Steve Devine), an English rep (Michael Lipman) and an Irish rep (Pat Duignan). Last year they had 15000 people at the game against Riverview. And Barker? They’re a co-Ed school that just recently started handing out scholarships to league playing Islanders, I guess mimicking the All Blacks in a way 😂. They’ve never been a powerhouse.
I went to school in a township in Cape town and in a township a school is called a broken palace, you guessed right every thing including every window of that school is missing or broken, but what really BLEW my mind from the day I started school in gr1 when it comes to Rugby we dont learn how to be a great Rugby player we learn how to be a great "CHAMPION".
Just to clarify possible confusion, in South Africa (like in most of the world I believe), a Private school is exactly that, its private, i.e. not a government school, where a Public School is funded by the public, i.e. by the government via the public’s taxes. I believe the terminology of private vs public is the other way around in the UK. All SA schools shown in this video are Public, although I might add that they can be “selective” in who they admit based on merit, etc.
Yes private and public are the same thing in uk. We call government maintained schools/colleges “State” schools/colleges or also known as comprehensives. Then there is also grammar schools which is like a state funded school you have to pass an exam to get into
You right all of them are a model C school. Government funded school, but and a big but. They do get public funding in order to get the big boys to their schools.
Model C is really an outdated term for government funded schools in SA. Former Model C is now the usual way they are described. They are government funded, but also expect parents to pay school fees, the extent of which depends on the standards the school and it governing body intends to provide. Hence, schools like Grey Bloem, the Paarl schools, Paul Roos etc are really quite elite. The Bloem campus would grace any British Public School. The confusion that arises with the British naming is that 'Public' in the sense it applies to schools like Eton, Harrow, Winchester and others, relates to their position years ago when they were founded as schools that taught pupils in a public school setting rather than them being privately tutored, as many aristocratic kids were, as well as royals. The Grammar schools in England, now greatly reduced in number by social engineering governments, arose largely in the mid-16th century, in Edward VI's short rule, particularly, although many were refounding of schools that had existed for many years, e.g. Shakespeare's school in Stratford upon Avon, in 1553. They were largely intended for the sons of the merchant and trading classes that were on an upward projectory at the time. Private schools, or now they are more usually referred to as Independent schools exist in SA and the UK. They are fee paying and normally provide high stands of education, and often specialise in sport. In both countries in education, as in much else, you gets what you pay for, though many schools provide bursaries for talented kids without means to come through, like Siya!
@@dn822 That's a real bargain, obviously Grey Bloem and Grey High must get substantial government support, compared to say Kearnsney College where fees are considerably more. My son's old school in the UK charges £15k+ for tuition and £36K+ for boarding and tuition, and we are not talking Eton or Harrow. SA schools like those mentioned are brilliant, but even the fees at Grey are out of he reach of millions of South Africans, and whilst I don't know what their selection policies are, they are doubtless pretty choosy about their intake - helps if your Dad went there and was a Springbok. No problem with that, personally. Just as long as they and the others keep producing WC winners.
"Nextgen 15 ranked Millfield the best side in the world"...they're going to wish you hadn't pointed that out because its going to expose how clearly useless nextgen 15 is when Millfield get 65 points from Grey College.
@@tomp4129 its a RU-vid video mate, so not sure what you mean by reading the article...I am commenting on a RU-vid video that literally days "nextgen 15 RECENTLY rated Millfield as the best schoolboy side in the world. We are in 2022, so not sure why you are pointing out its based on this season..that's my point, Millfield will get hammered by Grey, because they have been beating English teams and the English rugby standard is nothing on SA schoolboy rugby...so your ranking system is rubbish. Get it?
@@tomp4129 if you are part of the organizing committee can you explain why you would allow schools to field teams of different age groups? Having an U17 team against U18 teams defeats the entire point...its not a fair tournament. You should only allow schools to play if they can put their actual 1st XV's forward. This whole thing is a farce now.
@@dcs4880 @DCS Sorry been busy with the farce that generated over 15 million views LOL...go to the official website, fill out the contact form and leave your phone number then I will respond further - no need to prove anything to someone who hides behind their keyboard complaining instead of trying to do something.
@@tomp4129 yes because it was advertised as a competition of 1stXV's playing against each other. Most fans had no idea that wasn't the Grey 1st XV jersey and not the Grey 2022 1st XV. 1 team had U18 players and 1 didn't - fact. Is that fair? Fantastic comp.
Paul Roos has produced the most Springboks and actually beat them this season. Still point taken 2019 I believe was the best team they have ever had beat most teams by a 40pt margin… it was scary
@@t.bozmkw3562 In the last few years they've absolutely dominated. It must be said that when the big schools tend to verse a lot of their star players are busy playing for SA schools, so which ever one has the most players representing SA will be at a disadvantage. That being said when you are the best it doesn't matter who you put on the field they will perform. Grey is still a force to reckon with any time any day.
@@dreammaker9642 mate be honest here before this year PRG last beat Grey in 2015 most schools playing Grey has a 70-80% loosing record against Grey .....only Paarl gim has parity at about 50%
@@oldtighthead2459 point to me where I said that wasn’t the case or where anybody asked tbh. I was making the point that PRG still has produced the most springbok, Grey just lost this year and mentioned that 2019 team that still haunts everybody’s dreams. Non needs to get all upset.
This isn’t grass roots rugby, these are teams who are professionally coached and well resourced. Grass routes rugby is down the local club with a chap/lady who’s coaching a group of about 10 kids on a Sunday morning as a volunteer. I’m sure it’s the same in NZ, SA and Aus.
You're totally right. These schools are literal professional academies. Maybe what I say is idealistic but hell, I have read several articles that say that some are concerned that schoolboy rugby is treated too seriously. In the end, schools are schools and these boys are very young, the pressure on them may be too high. Rugby academies are meant to focus on the development of rugby players, but a school , no matter how successful its rugby team is, still has to focus on all students. People that went to rugby schools that were not interested in sport or that had other inclinations say that these schools have a tendency to overlook,underfund and generally give less importance to non athletic disciplines. Also, having a very select group of 17 y/o who are being lauded at every turn (and even televised !) Maaay not be the best way to keep a young boy grounded and humble. I can't help but worry that such pressure to win and succeed at such a young age may not be the healthiest thing. But anyways!
@@Trajan2401 there were few times grey was on Hamilton try line and got penalized unfairly. I do think Hamilton was better team on the day but refs weren't good. Even linesmen were out by 5 to 10 meters when grey kick ball out.
Affies SA vs Christchurch Boys’ High School NZ, 31-31 Grey College SA vs Southland Boys’ High School NZ, 54-0 Paul Roos SA vs Napier Boys’ High NZ, 62-7 Boland Landbou SA vs Napier Boys’ High School NZ, 30-25 Paul Roos SA vs Southland Boys’ High School NZ, 93-5 Grey College SA vs Christchurch Boys’ High School NZ, 73-26 Monument SA vs John McGlashan College NZ , 48-10 Paul Roos SA vs Southland Boys’ High School NZ, 93-5 Grey College SA vs Christchurch Boys’ High School NZ, 73-26 Boland Landbou SA vs Napier Boys’ High School NZ, 30-25 Glenwood vs John McGlashan College, 32-17 Paul Roos SA vs Napier Boys’ High NZ, 62-7 Grey College SA vs Southland Boys’ High School NZ, 54-0 Paarl Boys’ High SA vs Christchurch Boys’ High School NZ, 25-7 Paul Roos SA beat New Zealand National Championship winners St Peter's 52-5 in the final of the World Champs in JAPAN as well.
Not one Auckland or bay of plenty team in your list. Also rugby is doom in New Zealand as no NZ mom wants a kid with brain damage so we have teams with ball skills and tactics of a 1990s Irish test team I think SA will continue to dominate
all those NZ teams you named are not very good nowadays. That St peters team that played in that final was a different team that won the national championship. If a SA team toured Auckland and the waikato they would be pumped.
Before even getting to the fact that the South African schools are underrepresented here, you have to look at the fact that there is NO WAY that there are that many English schools, especially relative to Kiwi schools. Moving on from that, I understand that we aren't spoiled for choice with statistics, but these criteria are still pretty shit and do not tell the whole story. If there was one school in Pakistan that had produced all its national side rugby players ever, even at age group level, it would still be wrong to name it the best rugby school in the world. The schools in these rankings that are not South African would get dished over 20 points each by any of South Africa's top 8 schools, and that's being generous. Look at the match videos from previous years of the high school world championships and you will agree.
@@adie5981 you gonna go through every top 10 school?🤣 Grey and Gim are the top 2. So that's why I named them. Obviously we have at least 5-6 schools that would probably beat the shit out of those schools. And even Grey playing his year isn't the first team. It's Gr 10-11s. So won't be close to the best we have.
SA schools systems are incomparable to what I've seen in Europe. We had 13.000 people watching nationally televised games back in our year and we are only one of the schools who only in a great year were top 5 in SA. SA has so many teams that occasionally make it into top 20 in SA. My perspective on a consistent best of SA would be 1. Grey Bloem hands down (probably Nr1 ranked in 7/10 years, 2 in 2/10 and 3 in 1/10 years. Never unbeatable on the day, as is rugby, but unbeatable consistency. Ranked 2-4 I would place Paarl Boys, Paarl Gym, Affies. The rest of the tier 1 schools rank inconsistently between 3-15 would be my gut feeling. Then there are some that sometimes make it into top 20, and some who swing between 10-20.
@@LeMerch at an under 18 school rugby game? thats big if true. In the UK or Europe? two different places now days and France is probably the only EU nation to consider. I heard France did a great job on Jr development a few years back. Our top 15 schools in SA would get such crowds regularly. probably closer to 15k on site now days + the national TV. My reference was back in year 2000
@@LeMerch For school boy rugby? If you could perhaps show us that level of support anywhere in Europe? I played in SA and in England....a long time ago... but never once did I see more than a couple of hundred people watching 1st XV games in the UK. May well have changed.
I don’t get how Hamilton is not on this. They’ve won the most super 8 titles (strongest comp in nz) they’ve won the most top 4 national xv equal with Wesley and Kelston and they’ve made 3 sanix tournament appearances and winning all 3 and they’ve got the most nz condor 7s titles and their also undefeated out of nz.
Well the debate is over Hamilton is number 1 in the world after beating grey college in their first appearance in world school festival. This shows the dominance they have against the top schools in the world, every world tournament they've appeared in they've won it. Also Hamilton lost to Rotorua in the finals which shows that the top 3 schools in NZ would easily rival that of SA top 3
Think it is quite difficult to say with certainty who the best school is. However it is with great certainty that I can say 4 South African schools can be considered at least in the world top ten based on their performances over the past ten years or even the past 50 or possibly 100 years for that matter. They are Grey Bloem, Paarl Boys High, Paarl Gymnasium and Paul Roos. Affies also a good team and maybe world top ten as well?
I went to school back in the 1970's and 80's in South Africa. Being English speaking, I went to an English language primary school where we played football (or soccer) and only started playing rugby in high school. The Afrikaans schools played rugby in primary school, thus giving them a decided advantage over English schools. I was lucky enough to go to a boarding school in Northern Transvaal where we played rugby against the local Afrikaans schools. We never won a game. (Although we did hammer them at cricket) When my family moved, I ended up playing football in a new primary school, and missed my rugby. When I got to high school in 1984, I got to play rugby again, and even though I was not the tallest or fastest or biggest, my years primary school rugby showed. My point is: if you want to excell in a sport, play it from as early as possible.
Does anyone know how ranking work? NextGenXV 2022 World Top 5 1. Millfield (Eng) 2. Barker (Aus) 3. Paarl Gim (SA) 4. Hamilton Boys (NZ) 5. Grey College (SA) imo I disagree. Just cant find their reasoning as to why they see these rankings as correct
NextGenXV really isn't the most accurate site when it comes to school boy rugby, despite wanting everyone to think that they are. Grey College will take part in the World Schools Festival with a u/17 squad as it is taking place at the very end of the school year in SA. It will not be their First XV of 2022. They will most likely face a few older teams and have already indicated that the tournament is purely a pre-season exercise with one eye already on 2023 local season. A further five SA sides declined their invitation to the festival - they are Paarl Gymnasium, Paarl Boys' High, Grey High School (Port Elizabeth), Affies (Afrikaans Boys High School) and Monument High School (mostly citing financial reasons as well as the dates of the Festival). Calling the sides that are taking part in this year's tournament THE Top 8 school from around the globe is inaccurate. They might be some of the top schools, but most definitely not THE TOP 8. They are the only ones that showed interest. Paul Roos Gymnasium didn't even receive an invite from organizers for this year's event.
This is true but this leaves us with a predicament cause there is a clash with the timing of the NH and SH seasons. In previous tournaments English sides were coming off the back of there seasons and were heavily depleted of there representatives by the time the world schools festival hit. When south african team, boland landbou toured Ireland the Irish teams had lost their representatives and their older players due to exams as they start in April and finish in June (same for England) etc. Now here we have the issue of south Africans and new Zealand being at the end of their season when the NH is at its best. We need to align the seasons of both hemispheres or we'll never get good contests.
Wim Pretorius, hilarious! A so called journalist - please tell me the inaccuracies from NextGen? I will wait, we never claimed to be the best and why speak for us when saying "wanting everyone to think they are". In terms of the WSF Affies and Paarl Schools did decline, Monnas never responded and Paul Roos did receive an invitation. Grey High accepted but could not complete fundraising in time. Who are you to talk on the quality of the schools? Cardiff and Vale just won the Welsh national title for the second year in a row, St Michaels beat Blackrock the current Leinster champs, Millfield are current St Josephs champs and Sedbergh are recognized as a great producer of quality talent and Hamilton Boys current national champions of New Zealand. Maybe instead of questioning others credibility you should speak about things you know rather than what you think you know - also instead of criticizing other school rugby websites why not build your own brand and do your own rankings and give your own opinions, maybe even do your own tournament? Maybe because that would require actual work lol, much easier just acting like you know what you are talking about.
@@Teesroad You do realize that that was Boland landbou 's first game and the season haven't even started yet. Also that they lost 9 and drawn 2 of there 20 games this year. Not a good team. They also have 350 boys in the school
Interesting you had Nudgee as the School in Australia when Churchie won against them in the final. Churchie 2022 ended up with more boys representing the Wallabies U18 squad than any other school.
HaHaHaHaHaHa!!!! 😂😢😂😢😂😢😂😢😂 Not sure whether to laugh or cry 🤔 Whoever produced this vid is either completely uninformed or disingenuous. When the rest of the world sends their best rugby schools and colleges to SA or our boys go to play them, there is never an occasion when Grey College, Paul Roos, Paarl Gym or Affies lose... the only times these schools suffer a loss is against each other... they regularly beat Christchurch by 40 points + ....the English schools don't even feature.... 😂
@@leoncoetzer I think nz teams plays that stuff but not once have I seen NZs best school play. Or even a top four school from NZ. CBHS is a top rugby school but this year they were rubbish. Every year it's a rubbish NZ team that goes.
Why are South African school boys so much smaller and weaker than NZ schoolboys in general?? It’s because NZ are blessed to have Pacific Islander boys that are genetically huge, physical and aggressive from a young age … SA can only dominate Nz teams filled with white boys hahaha 😂😂 Samoans, Tongans and Fijians dominate this sport
Blackrock coach Vincent Costello is more than satisfied with the performances of the team so far despite the narrow loss to South African school Hoerskool Monument this was 1998 .....so allready a los against a SAFFA school
@@oldtighthead2459 so 22 years ago? ahahahahhaha, They battered EG Jansen by about 40 points around 2014 or 2013 when they were ranked 4th or 5th in South Africa
@@rugbyeditz2022 you know EG Jansen is like on a good year top 20 material in South Africa....point is dont say you're undefeated against SA schools when you clearly are not
what a joke of a tournament, SA top 5 schools will most probably dismantle most these teams. To have a tournament of 8 is a joke when SA can field easily 10. The debate is simple and SA has the best team end of story.
I remember when Paul Roos went to the Sanix tournament in 2019 I think it was and absolutely decimated the opposition. Then came home and got clapped by Grey and the Paarls 😂 the argument was they were literally better off having a preseason in SA than go to that tournament because the opposition was too soft compared to home.
That system nextgen 15 are using is ridiculous. The SA teams are playing against much better competition, so how can UK schools get the same points for winning one of their comps? The 20th ranked SA team would win the English schools comp...you can't compare the two and use the same criteria to rank them. This is a joke.
@@ciaranbrk yes they have and many UK teams have toured SA, and consistently the top ranked UK teams who tour SA will lose to very low ranked sides here, they often don't even play out top teams as it would be ridiculous. Look what happened when an English team tried to play Grey college in 2018 at the that tournament...60-0 and grey weren't even our top side that year.
@@dcs4880 Hartpury were missing 8 under 18 internationals that year for the under 18 six nations. That makes a significant difference in terms of strength vs strength
What a joke! The UK with only 1 RWC between them gets 5 colleges while NZ and SA (currently with 7 RWC's get 1 each! I mean really. Once again evidence the Home Nation's inferiority complex when it comes to rugby.
What's really funny is that you seem to think that there is somehow a correlation between senior nation rwc wins and invitations to a school tournament organised by WSF and not linked or organised in anyway to World Rugby. The only thing they have incommon is the word 'world'in their title. So how do WR rwc wins effect team invitations to this tournament ...they don't, not at all. Your just talking out of your arse School teams attending was not based on home nations bit more based on those parents who could afford to fly their kids to Thailand where the tournament was held .. Also looking at the tournament program South Africa and NZ both fielded 3 sides each . Any of the alleged home nations inferiority complex is dwarfed and negated by your own greater inferiority complex to bemoan invited teams and your masterful inability to even read a tournament program and count the number of attending teams is just testament to your stupidity
Can only speak from an Aussie POV but Barker College should be no where near this. Historically, yes Joeys are the powerhouse thru out the age groups but can struggle some years in the AAGPS 1st XV competition but i would still declare them the best rugby school in Oz. They recently went 7 years without a 1st XV title. Would love to see a winner of NSW GPS vs QLD GPS every year.
How can the brits get 5 spots in the final, if there are at least 4 school at any time in SA & NZ that can take the competition. The point system is actually based on BS, it's because the English are in charge of world rugby.
Many of the students at those schools come from poor backgrounds and are there on scholarship at least in South Africa. And by the way guys like Kurt lee Arendse, Cheslin Kolbe, Eben Etzebeth, Lukhanyo Am and Makazoli Mapimpi were at normal Public Schools.
@@oldtighthead2459 I’ll even add on to say that a lot of the scholarships are to essentially buy players… I remember Paarl Boys got in a little bit of heat for that. They do also give scholarship to township kids, that’s how Kolisi got into Grey High and became the absolute beast of a player that he is today.
Dont believe the past legends should have any standing on the best team or school of the year. Let the school teams of the day play out like any other rugby championships.
South Africa hosted the tournament twice. 20 schools were represented. This thing in is starting in a couple of days and they don't even have all the schools signed up yet. Sounds like a mess
Grey College (Bloem) and Grey High school in what was known as P.E. (now known as Gqeberha) - Sir George Grey founded these two schools including Auckland Grammar in NZ. In short there is: Grey College and Grey High.
I attended Pretoria Boys High School (English) from 1975 to 1979 - Affies (just across the railway tracks) (Afrikaans Hoer Seunsskool) are our great rivals and always rank in the top 10 schools in South Africa - every now and again PBHS beat Affies but not that often - Boys High don't even play Grey Bloem as it would be a mismatch most of the time although how do you improve if you don't play against the best - yes, schoolboy rugby in SA is very competitive and in some cases close to professional with highly rated talent being "bought" to a great school and the bigger franchises signing school boys before they even leave school - Siya Kolisi went to Grey College in Port Elizabeth I believe which would have had a huge impact on his rugby development so the "system" can't really be faulted BUT it seems to be too developed I would say with the "monetization" of school sport almost not having any regulation in place - still, school boy rugby is great to watch and the annual Easter School Festivals are coming up soon...
Interesting but not quite accurate. Good that all these schools get some recognition but I have no doubt that Grey College Bloemfontein SA would be ranked no 1 seven out of ten years should the school's all play each other on a regular basis. Until that happens there can be no creditable ranking.
When one looks at the games between top SA schools and their counterparts in other countries, it seems quite clear that the top SA The are substantially better. Eg Grey College vs Christchurch, Hartpury, Southland or Paul Roos’ dominance at the Festival in Japan. Other evidence that seems to back this up are performances by lower ranked SA schools facing foreign competition. Eg Napier losing to Rondebosch (ranked around 30 in SA) when they came back to SA after a narrow loss in the NZ first xv championship. Their coach said that the level of high school rugby in SA was just higher. Bishops’ performance in Ireland was also extremely limpressive. But. The performance of SA schools vs those of other nations, while excellent, does not demonstrate the same level of dominance. Why????
Hartpury wasn't a fair comparison considering half there team were away and Christchurch were ranked 16th the year they toured. At least this time around the best from each country on current form is going
@@daviddorfan9023 because that's greys team for this year playing not the 2022 side, they are the same age as everyone else it's just the nh school season starts in late September/October and finishes in March. Which is why everyone thought the NH teams were older. Similarly most of Hamiltons team is actually back this year since they were young enough.
Blackrock... 30 Irish caps... hahahhahaahaahahah when in the last decade? Rock have way... WAY more than "30" also a better gauge would be how many players they have in the Leinster team as that's the professional team most progress on to and also British and Irish Lions produced as that's the panicle. Grey is "one of" the top schools but the Top 5 are pretty straight forward and ALL are more than capable of beating one another on a given day.
With our season already finished Grey would be sending a under 17 team and not there first team of 2022. Basically a brand new team that hasn't played any games yet. So to say that we are sending the best team is not accurate at all. They should still be able to compete. This Grey side will not rank top 10 in South africa if they had to play the 2022 first teams now.
They arw in fact so bad this year they had to play their last game without 5 players ,who played SA u 18 players ,had they won that game they would've ended as nr 1 in the country
@@johnsmithwinkwink1704 Hockey is big in the public schools as well in the UK. Millfield had 24 of its School go to the CW games. It included Rugby, athletics, swimming. hockey and cycling . They cover a large range of sports at high levels.
South African teams are deffo roiding up. They can dominate for now while they hold a strength/ size advantage over the rest, but once they hit professional level and start getting regularly drug tested their advantage dissipates and they fade into being pretty ordinary.
@@raymondoconnor5427 New Zealand on the whole has less oversight in controlling unwanted substances (south Africa is riddled with corruption). But sure, some kiwi boys will be roiding. Roids within SA school rugby is one of those poorly kept secrets that has been covered by actual reporters and it makes sense that at this level with basic drug detection and resources you'd be able to get away with it.
Hi all. Just to put it into perspective - i understand the frustration with SA sending u16 teams and lower ranked schools.... However I think it's great for our top 100 to be exposed to this, my 1st thought was - where's Garsfontein, Paarl boys, paarl gym, Paul roos, Jeppe, Grey... But then I realized our school year end in November so it's impossible for our u18s to play but what great exposure and experience to send our u16 players and give all our teams the opportunity... EG is definitely in the top 50 , Oakdale there and there about ... I think it's great that SA rugby give the 1st first division schools a chance as our premier schools get all the glory... This will make our domestic 1st division a better competition- and to be honest EG and Oakdale both held the premier schools at bay in the Friendly's.... Welldone boys we proud of u
@@carlh8108 so then the “Mighty ABs” are not a pure NZ team. NZ rapes the islands for all their good players. Who does ZA rape for good players - nobody. All home grown.
Hang on a moment this is colonialism at its worst or best..why do the majority of the teams come from the UK, slim pickings from Oz and one team from SA, the best school rugby in the world? You will probably be having UK dads referee the games as well???
