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Content creation in Zenless Zone Zero has been rough. You're a shill if you compliment something, you're a hater if you criticize it.
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@OofieTV
@OofieTV 24 дня назад
FEETBACK
@benperry593
@benperry593 24 дня назад
We're all just raccoons fighting over who has better trash.
@james1bon
@james1bon 24 дня назад
Damn…..preach
@joshmayetballoon3103
@joshmayetballoon3103 24 дня назад
gacha vs another gacha
@HutchTheWolf
@HutchTheWolf 24 дня назад
The *honest* people are; be careful, because there are rats hiding in our glorious trash
@hanerime
@hanerime 24 дня назад
every gacha game is trash, just pick the smell you like technically
@thatparticulargame6001
@thatparticulargame6001 24 дня назад
Honestly, is just a shame that all these kids and adults give that company even more money 😂😂😂 I am going to laugh so hard when they get the clown face, getting little to no reward by them because they have all the monopoly 😂😂😂😂😂
@gamerhero9559
@gamerhero9559 24 дня назад
7:38 "The endgame starts at Lv. 81." She said that so causally...That is MMORPG nonsense right there...
@idminister
@idminister 23 дня назад
end game is by origin of the word...at the game's end....not the beginning nor middle..... the issue, gacha games have in particular, isnt the level req, but rather that stamina systems that timegate the endgame away; timegate based on real life time and not playtime: stat progression now it can also be a problem if the grind, even a non stamina grind, is too grindy like FFXI's capacity points/job points/job mastery
@gamerhero9559
@gamerhero9559 23 дня назад
@@idminister Yeah but having to wait for endgame is annoying.especially for that long. Plus endgame content doesn't have to be literally at the end of the game as by then you'll be bored of the game and decided to play something else.
@hphunter
@hphunter 24 дня назад
Why do people believe the dev saying that you can put it down and pick it up again later whenever you want? It's a gacha game, if you stop doing your dailies you don't get gacha credit anymore and will be missing out when good banners come out.
@asteriskonline3494
@asteriskonline3494 24 дня назад
Not most people, only Hoyofans. Time and again with the false advertisements of it's games, I never believe what the devs say until I see it in game. The very recent example I can think of false advertisement is the 180 free pulls on entry and ZZZ being combat focused.
@livyth6134
@livyth6134 24 дня назад
yup, exactly what i was thinking like it doesn't make sense, unless they never plan on making harder content than is initially released (but highly unlikely since they want to incentivise players to spend money on new characters)
@adoroselatte
@adoroselatte 24 дня назад
Ain’t falling for the MHYoverse (yes, I know but I refused to call ‘em the current company name) tactics again. The last time I spent was $2k++ in the MHYoverse games and although my pfp is from Themis, I believe that I have enough experience. Now I’m happier since I quit every gacha games though…I love the characters. Sometimes you need to sacrifice for greater good, I know this is kinda out of topic. I’m sick of MHYoverse’s tactics as a whale.
@SageRuffin
@SageRuffin 23 дня назад
And in some games, if you missed an event or something similar, you also missed out on a potentially powerful weapon, character, or even _MASSIVE_ character development (You Fischl and Albedo fans know what I'm talking about). And there's nothing you can do to get those items after the fact. Meanwhile, I drop ESO for a month and the worst I miss out on there is a free house or mount, neither of which will cripple my character(s) by not having.
@Kyle81290
@Kyle81290 23 дня назад
This might sound crazy to you, but they tell that to people that can afford to swipe, not f2p.
@Drewbear811
@Drewbear811 24 дня назад
I don't understand why at the beginning Oofie said comparing games is wrong then she brings up Honki impact several times
@KenyouTV
@KenyouTV 24 дня назад
I think it’s just a side effect of being a HI3 stan, they just can’t help themselves lol
@LUCAS420BLZ
@LUCAS420BLZ 24 дня назад
Well Zzz is an Arpg like hi3 and Pgr is also and Arpg so is aether gazer Those comparisons make sense there because it's the same genre of game
@amvhate
@amvhate 24 дня назад
@@LUCAS420BLZ You fine to make compassion if they have things that over lap. Each major genre has sub genre and themes that they share major genre. Exmaple Animal Crossing Vs the Sims. Nier automata Vs Devil may Cry which they own styles of Action. Depending who you talk , they say one is better then the other. It not that ZZZ combat is bad. It a preference. I like aspect of PGR Combat more then Wuwu combat.
@grymns
@grymns 24 дня назад
I think the difficulty climb being too slow is one of the side effects of the target audience being on the younger side
@lwd2d600
@lwd2d600 24 дня назад
There’s more boomer leaning aesthetics than anything else imo
@jcceno4273
@jcceno4273 24 дня назад
​@@lwd2d600he's talking about the difficulty spike
@grymns
@grymns 24 дня назад
@@jcceno4273 yeah, i was Just thinking about this when i realised how much fun my younger cousin was having with the game, she's 14 btw
@OverlordMango
@OverlordMango 24 дня назад
Hoyo can say and promise anything they want. It's a fact that it's structured similarly to HSR. Shiyu Defense = MoC. Hollow Zero = weekly Simulated Universe. Two characters per patch. Given the nature of gacha and being made by the same company, the powercreep will be the same. A slower-paced game compared to Genshin and HSR? How? I'm not seeing any evidence here. This "we shouldn't compare games, they're all good in their own way" argument doesn't work for gacha. They suck both time and money. They're designed to played for years. This is why we choose. This is why we're so critical. Dismissing that is giving out-of-touch content creator. This is the environment that gacha companies have cultivated themselves.
@youtubewatcher7265
@youtubewatcher7265 24 дня назад
man you nailed it, they definately suck both time and money (if u can't control). the designed to played for years sounds like a job more than a game to me and it gave me ptsd damn
@Kazuk1787
@Kazuk1787 24 дня назад
"The combat oriented" part is what really took me a while to get over and it's the part that's hard not to compare to other gacha games. I do remember HI3 and PGR also taking time to get things going but at least in both games when it comes to the combat, there were more options on how to approach: HI3 with its skill, ult and QTE (the trio's base form already have different playstyles as well as some early characters like Rita though it's not as complex but it's there), and PGR with the ORB system, meaning I already have 3 skills at my disposal along with units that have their own gimmick/playstyle and their ults and the game gives me opportunities to learn and experiment which does come into play in later stages. Even in Wuthering Waves, I was able to experiment a bit with the intro-outro, quickswap, good ol button mashing and then finding out long attack animations don't stop while you tag in other characters so you can see two characters attacking or trying to tag parry and what not as early as the first crownless fight. In Zenless, even if there are advanced tech that exists in the game, there aren't situations where I really need them when just attacking till the enemies are dazed/stunned then chain attack and ult then dodge or parry when prompted will work even when I'm already near level 30. I'm not encouraged to really learn these tech as Hex mention in the vid. What made me stay and keep enjoying the game is that the characters are very fun the artstyle, music and vibe stand out a lot to me that I forget that it's a hoyo game. I enjoyed the individual character stories, and the main story is interesting enough that I got curious as to how it will play out.
@trixtheghostwalker6634
@trixtheghostwalker6634 24 дня назад
I feel bad for the people who are good people who play ZZZ
@MiAGamerz404
@MiAGamerz404 24 дня назад
my opinion alone is relevant to myself and nothing else matter. If i don't enjoy it when playing it, it's going to be erased from my PC and mobile. If it captured my attention, i'm going back. Anyway, whether they got my attention or not, Black Myth Wukong already booked my time when it's out.
@derpaderp8984
@derpaderp8984 24 дня назад
The true hoyo pvp was having gacha players fight each other in toxicity
@Zeyro1
@Zeyro1 24 дня назад
I just feel like feel like people just don't accept its just s mid a game that wants way to much of time for what it is. It's combat is brainless fun and theirs nothing wrong with it. It just take forever to get to that part of the game. Which ruins it for me personally if If this single player its structure would be fine, but no lie some people just need accept asking me to donate over 10+hours to "get out of the tutorial" are cap.
@ThomasAndy-qu8dp
@ThomasAndy-qu8dp 24 дня назад
most glazing videos /discussions i see on this game are about the animations, grace being a mommy, Nicole being hot, "step on me Ellen", Billy the silly and a few others. Barely anything about the gameplay. Most hoyo games have subpar gameplay but incredible casting of characters. And the subpar gameplay was very manageable because it has some merit in it. But ZZZ ? it's very average BUT itlooks pretty and "cool". Which isn't wrong. But a hoyoverse game being just "good" ?Nah the shills won't have it. Really, it's just good. Nothing crazy just good. And that's fine lol
@Kramer8
@Kramer8 24 дня назад
​​​​​@@ThomasAndy-qu8dp I'll go palm face whanever someone said "The TV are actually good", that's very subjective opinion compared to Which Waifu is best girl , the reality is no one would wants it if it doesn't exist in the first place, actual Stockholm syndrome.
@seb3661
@seb3661 24 дня назад
by that logic warframe is mid too 🤣🤣🤣 shut up and go farm echoes
@htet2002linn
@htet2002linn 24 дня назад
​@@seb3661 At least it can improve our favorite character power.
@botcchidotcchi
@botcchidotcchi 24 дня назад
@@Kramer8 that's still better compared to these comments that I found from "positive" zzz video "The auto Parry is a masterpiece compared to WUWA" "I quit wuwa because ZZZ bosses are more challenging" 😂😂😂😂
@Jinxelin
@Jinxelin 24 дня назад
I felt at home too , the rates are equally as shit as in honkai impact
@latitude990
@latitude990 24 дня назад
"Just wait til 1.3+ for engaging gameplay" is a WILD take
@kae9831
@kae9831 22 дня назад
just like HSR
@babaXIII
@babaXIII 24 дня назад
The "community" is people who barely play Hoyo games, but for some reason feel like they have to assert their opinion every time something happens with these games.
@JustCommonPlain
@JustCommonPlain 23 дня назад
The "community" is about making a 100-page thesis as to why people enjoy hoyo games, rather than accepting people enjoy different things. No, we're not out of touch, it's the hoyo community. My gacha is way better god damnit!
@enjuno
@enjuno 24 дня назад
15:27 idk about being combat focus... everytime I tune into a stream I see TVs 😅
@jeffcarrier9808
@jeffcarrier9808 24 дня назад
I stopped watching Twitch, are you enjoying ZZZ more now? I came around to kind of loving it. Edit: Regarding HI3, it wasn't level 81 / Chap 17+ endgame from the start of course... keep that in mind. Level 81 endgame didn't exist until fairly recently many many years after launch. The question is how long until ZZZ figures out a good endgame and what is the "endgame" right now.
@Chinwe94
@Chinwe94 24 дня назад
are the burst animations the same as the skill animations or am i missing something?
@kgutz9450
@kgutz9450 24 дня назад
imagine you need to wait for days just for your food to get good who cooks like that? and who likes that?
@angeloguerra5606
@angeloguerra5606 24 дня назад
THE ROOM MENTIONED LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOO!!! i literally just imagine tectone saying "i did not hit her, it's not true! it's bullshit! I did noooot"
@asteriskonline3494
@asteriskonline3494 24 дня назад
I mostly agree on Oofie takes except for 2 things. ZZZ is a combat focused game and people are not used to ZZZ because it will probably start endgame at Lvl81. Point 1 is funny and point 2 is frustrating.
@nickkorosec5674
@nickkorosec5674 24 дня назад
I agree point 1 is funny, but if you seriously stay to finish Chapter 3 of the story (IK 36) you will likely stay and continue playing daily for the combat. It’s fast, responsive, and actually rewards skill expression. Most arguments which can be applied against it here work for its peers in Genshin/WuWa and they are reductive in nature. Point 2 is a general expression for which all of Hoyo gacha “struggle” from. HSR endgame start at Level 61, Genshin at 51, though I am unaware of the max IK level this would apply to its final 10 levels. This is the final stretch of the account exp leveling system in which you have unlocked every farmable gamemode and will not be level gated out of any content thus you have in most ways beaten the game. These levels have extreme exp increases to get between each level, these are your daily grinder things, as opposed to all the prior ones being maybe a couple of days of daily these are weeks and /or months for one level. This is the stage where players can finally max their characters, max drops from resin repeatable activities is now available, and even attempt max score endgame because of how the enemy level scaling works. You can do all of these prior but usually with worse drops or the difficulty of the under leveled dmg reduction. This is the real part of the game and is applicable to any gacha game, I’ve commonly seen this stage be called maintenance mode: login, farm, events, gtfo and wait for the next patch or version update. Unless players are resin refreshing, even then I doubt it, are even at this point yet.
@nathan.marcal
@nathan.marcal 23 дня назад
combat oriented? seriosly? the game make you drop or forget combat just "why not?"
@darmansbar7900
@darmansbar7900 24 дня назад
HI has the tutorial up to Chapter 6 and the HoV arc tho By then you are free to do as you please And Oofie here is capping because by by level 50 you get access to Elysian Real, the true Endgame mode because by Lv.81 you have been engaging with the Abyss and memorial Arena multiple times by now and 80 is the big threshold because you limit break and get access to PRI-Evolution gear and more stuff to do
@sleepingrrandom2876
@sleepingrrandom2876 24 дня назад
ITS A GACHA FUCKING GAME. YOU'RE LOCKED BEHIND DOING DAILIES IF YOU WANT IT TO BE A "FREE" GAME, SO DROPPING IT TO DO IT LATER IS BARELY AN OPTION. WTF DO THEY MEANN
@hexjuice
@hexjuice 24 дня назад
no need to scream… no need to shout…
@sleepingrrandom2876
@sleepingrrandom2876 24 дня назад
@@hexjuice Sorry, gotta let out that that inner frustration.
@flarerazor4972
@flarerazor4972 23 дня назад
former HI3rd Player here Lv 81 is something you get to within roughly 2 mths if you play casually. Story chapters make you play with old crappy 'battlesuits'.
@quadirdenson333
@quadirdenson333 24 дня назад
1.0 genshin player 3000 plus hours and in my personal opinion genshin sucked pretty bad at explaining things and endgame which there ain't no real endgame.And I've been playing ZZZ for 80plus hours I'm lvl 37 and content wise think they are doing well slowly pushing people towards harder combat, I definitely see issues in the game but its a gacha game and i feel like people want more and i feel people forget when gacha games start hey are still tuning character style, details,combat,and general gameplay.Btw didn't think any of the first standard 5 stars in genshin looked very different from the 4 stars.I definitely want more mature characters, and the characters honestly need ages attached to there profile. Also i miss the period of time before furry hate, I'm not a furry but Ben and lycoan are two of my favorite characters.
@frea2191
@frea2191 24 дня назад
No matter what people think the best values to rate a game is... comparing one thing to another is by default what we do as humans. We have a limited lifespan / free time, so we tend to choose the "best thing" to spend our time with, so we don’t have the feeling of wasting our time. Regarding ZZZ, it may be a good game in the future, but as it is now, it just aint. It’s trying to appeal to too many different types of players and does nothing really good, it’s the most aggressively mid game i’ve played in years. Every second i played it... i could feel it actively wasting my time on numerous occasions and that It needed more time in the oven... that’s why so many people stopped playing it (+ the unreasonable install-size)
@Lucky_Fluffy
@Lucky_Fluffy 24 дня назад
i think it should be pretty easy to tell which Character is a Child or Child-like in how the Character Acts and their Dialogue, Sparkle and clara are a prime example, sparkle is highly intelligent and Plots and Schemes with ulterior motives, where as clara wears her heart on her sleeve and acts in the moment shes very easy to read and know how shes going to respond even before she responds. Its not inherently a problem for a "Child" to be in the game, but when the lines between a character like Sparkle and a character like Clara starts to blur do i think things start to get Messy.
@jmbrady1
@jmbrady1 24 дня назад
I'll be honest, I just went to do some 1.x domains (more specifically, the one with the ice floor and falling ice) from Genshin Impact and I have to say, all other gacha games feel a lot better after that experience
@eijey9803
@eijey9803 23 дня назад
It took me almost a week to even unlock farming stages, so its like days of full stamina. Do y'all know how painful that is? And i play like 1-2hrs a day, i even skipped the yap fest, tvs are just built different 😂
@longgalans
@longgalans 24 дня назад
I've played a good amount of HI3 and I don't particularly agree that the "end game" starts at level 81 cause that's kind of a "higher level" than what you can ever experience in ZZZ? Cause the major difference between HI3 and ZZZ is that in HI3, you compete in clear speeds with other people, sometimes even vs whales, and sometimes down to the last fucking milisecond lol (I remember being both on the winning and losing side of a
@guiltylegion7037
@guiltylegion7037 23 дня назад
Yesp HI3rd lv 82 is where u can finally crafted wpn that can get ur dmg off the roof.
@johnnydeez6953
@johnnydeez6953 24 дня назад
Imo, i think gacha games need to hook u asap, making the game come alive and being fun at like lvl 80 seems a bit extreme to me. Its like there are to many gacha games to play & i rather play 1 thats enjoyable at any level.
@mcrampton001
@mcrampton001 22 дня назад
I've never played a gacha game before, and was unsure if I wanted to try ZZZ. Now that I know lore edging is a major gameplay mechanic I'll be downloading it asap Also, the attitude shown to Oofie's generous sharing of only the freshest of feet pics; never have I seen such ingratitude.😋
@smilerat8070
@smilerat8070 23 дня назад
To be fair, why I bring up WuWa in regards to ZZZ the actual combat is almost identical, they do team member swapping different, but other than that, solely in regards to combat, nearly identical. Other than that, I would say it has a strong persona vibe with being one part retro themed and one part cyberpunk themed. Level exploration is done like a board game. I enjoy the game, I like the story, the humor, style, and the feel of gameplay. The grind feels a bit more tedious than in HSR or WuWa.
@icendia01
@icendia01 24 дня назад
Submitted my survey for the game yesterday. Just going to chill until the 1.1 livestream to see what they have in store for us.
@kayyam9959
@kayyam9959 24 дня назад
No matter how successful the game will be it still wont change the fact that its a mid game..
@bloody4558
@bloody4558 24 дня назад
No that's a mid opinion
@kayyam9959
@kayyam9959 24 дня назад
@@bloody4558 nah it's just the fact.. haha it will be mid if i can't tell you the reason why i think so.. in that case you can consider it's mid opinion but i can so if you are curious you can ask me why i think so? lmao
@stevenys234
@stevenys234 24 дня назад
Zzz is most fun combat in all gacha game, I am so addicted to it, now wuwa combat feel so bland to me
@kayyam9959
@kayyam9959 24 дня назад
@@stevenys234 for casual/beginner player yes i can somewhat agree i guess? because they can one tap kill you in wuwa which you need to learn the boss pattern and not just spam so not everyone can do that thing unlike in zzz which mostly parry and dodging is less of urgency and just a feature and you can just have fun hitting the semi sandbag enemy and chaining up your hit if that's your concept of fun yes you can consider that fun.. but i have to disagree you calling wuwa bland because you clearly don't play wuwa if you think it's bland.. lmao
@kayyam9959
@kayyam9959 24 дня назад
@@stevenys234 let me help you rephrase your words better.. wuwa combat is too annoying and hard for me i like the simpler zzz combat more where we can have fun chaining up our dmg with it's flashy animation similar like how we spam in genshin so it's fun to do flashy and full of color.. there i help you rephrase the words
@aoikazuma3781
@aoikazuma3781 24 дня назад
the real reason why this game got so much hate was false advertisement (not like some lawsuit or sht) Hoyo said it's going to be combat focus game and when you play it's just Tv simulator, i know the game will get "good" after reaching a certain Inter-Knot but why would i take so much suffer just to find the "good" or the "fun" about this game? we're looking for the combat the focus combat they say (not my word but the hoyo's worrd) but instead we got soft lock in this so called "Tv simuator" it's like buying a Manga that explicitly say "this manga focus on detailed artstyle" and instead there's no drawing only a dialouge like novel until you reach a "certain page" just to see the great artstyle and enjoy it. This game isn't bad nor it's good it's mid at best and when you tried to cope (not the insult word) where you played for couple of hours just for you to say "it's not bad" that's kinda sad. Well to each their own
@aoikazuma3781
@aoikazuma3781 24 дня назад
"stop playing and comeback and start playing when there's new content" BRO THIS IS A GACHA GAME, if you're a dolfin or a whale yeah that's easy but dang that's an L take, to have an in-game currency you must play and do dailies that's the basic rule of gacha.
@marianbeczkowski4390
@marianbeczkowski4390 23 дня назад
Zzz is story oriented, and if zzz is fight oriented wuwa is too
@Decadiea
@Decadiea 24 дня назад
I have to say this Hex. You have cursed me. You have spoiled my mind! Now ever time I hear or think about the Threnodians i cant help but to hear you call them the Throat-Goatians.
@yuukianimates3318
@yuukianimates3318 24 дня назад
The character director or smth usually makes loli characters since it's a anime thing and since hoyo focuses on the cn or jp probably so sadly no characters with someone from the west
@hurricaneb6243
@hurricaneb6243 24 дня назад
I don't know, game seems fine. Personally, I love it. It's not for everyone though. Style and vibes are off the roof, and that's just my jam. It's not for everyone, and I think that's fine. Sorry about other players being toxic, but it's probably just the loud minority, like all other big communities.
@kinshorin
@kinshorin 24 дня назад
I agree on the extremely low skill floor being a bad thing. There's no point to learning how to play the game more optimally if all the current content we're able to play is so braindead easy. Like in a fighting game arcade mode, if all the CPU's are set to the lowest possible level do you even need to bother learning or using any real combos or advanced techniques? Its not like the CPU is going to fight back that much. The final opponent (bosses in ZZZ) might be slightly more active then the first opponent you fought, but it will still be incredibly easy because the difficulty is set so low. I really don't know how you'd go about increasing the difficulty properly for this game. The enemies are already sponge-y enough HP wise and I always find simply increasing the HP alone to be the worst way to increase difficulty in any game. I also don't find "build the right element damage type" any better either. I guess you could make the enemies more active? But its so easy to just hit parry or dodge everything coming your way in the first place because the timings are almost excessively generous for both. I'll keep playing the game because I'm enjoying the vibes and story (Though I wish they would actually utilize certain concepts they mention in the story), but I'm not really playing this game for the gameplay itself like I do with Wuthering Waves or I did with PGR before Wuthering Waves.
@bugaljackson494
@bugaljackson494 24 дня назад
I'm used to the game now, it's fine overall. The 10 hours before it got good almost killed me. I wouldn't have minded if the majority of the 10 hours was "brainless" combat, but the fact the few single handful of fights within the that whole timespan were "brainless" was not a good impression. It just took so long before it felt like the game actually let me play what I came to play. TV mode is just ok. I can see it as a good way to have non-combat gameplay for a change of pace. Problems are I don't find it that pleasant to look at, and often it gets slowed down too much by dialogue and things and the speed button does pretty much nothing I feel. And the amount of glazing over it being one of the most unique gacha gameplay methods boggles me. Combat gameplay is fine to me. I also like the environments, they can be somewhat interactive so I'd like to see how they build upon them later.
@fw420
@fw420 24 дня назад
For me i love 3rd but i hated playing on my phone i was wishing they put it on playstation this is the next best thing
@neongenital
@neongenital 24 дня назад
idk im a hi3rd player (level 88) and i still didn’t really enjoy zzz. in hi3rd the endgame content is available way earlier that level 81, like elysium realm, memorial abyss etc. Plus the story heavily carries the game (honestly one of the best written stories in gacha games imo) meanwhile the story in zzz is just kinda ok
@XxTexasTimxX
@XxTexasTimxX 24 дня назад
If you happen to play any story/side/trailer content involving your favorite char Grace, you’ll notice she gets shown without shoes quite a lot. 👍
@matthewwalker5641
@matthewwalker5641 23 дня назад
I mean. Its called end game not the beginning game lol its not end game if we get there in a week
@NobreLinx
@NobreLinx 24 дня назад
do we need to struggle that much to like or dislike a game ?
@user-ms3do7tf3d
@user-ms3do7tf3d 23 дня назад
No. But I think we should get whatever the dev say about the game. And that's applied to all game devs.. If the dev say the combat is the meat, then we should expect the combat to be the most focus thing in the game. And usually people will expect a little bit of 'challenge' that not just a stat check. Cause it's not that time anymore. It used to be, but anymore
@AshUkihime
@AshUkihime 24 дня назад
It's good that we can't tell if a character is a 5 star or a 4 in ZZZ it makes people appreciate them equally.
@ItzaJan
@ItzaJan 24 дня назад
I have been playing ZZZ on a steam deck on my way to work. I have been enjoying it, but I just get pissed at the TV system because it takes more time to do that than the combat, and by the time I realize I'm at work 💀 that shit gotta go Ngl
@FocalResonance-1997
@FocalResonance-1997 23 дня назад
Ngl after playing ZZZ for a good 5 days and spent over 20 bucks, all I can say is... It does not get fun at all, even the challenge mode is easy.
@redfoxakame
@redfoxakame 24 дня назад
The game wanting to take it slow is not an excuse for it to be boring. Genshin was slow. But the early game was like a fever dream to a young and innocent me. HSR had a whole tutorial arc but it was still hella enjoyable and it didn't even last long until Belobog which hooked me in the game. The braindead combat in Zzz surprised me as it was advertised as a fighting game, but that was the only thing I really enjoyed about the game. I love seeing Nicole posing with cool music playing before the combat begins. Love the sound design in the combat even tho the camera movement kinda feels restrictive idk. What was so annoying about it and killed my hype was the TVs. Idc about your reasoning regarding its connection to the lore and the stupid argument saying "how else are you gonna play the game" cause it was _breaking immersion_ instead of pulling me in the story. I never planned to skip story but I started doing it and I've been skipping cause I realized that idc about it anymore. Idc about the puzzles in the TV. I am so glad it wasn't in the combat modes and I find it reasonable and quite enjoying in SU mode. So Zzz has a painfully slow start, TVs outside SU still kill me inside, hate the side commissions as I do in every game (wish we could skip everything), doing anything aside from combat feels like a chore, but the combat feels too good to stop playing the game so I play it for that. I'm not in a rush for the endgame, I'm busy leveling up my chars. It's not about being impatient. It simply had a boring start for most people like me. And yeah. The characters mostly look bland. I think people don't have to defend the game about that. They grew on me tho. Just a little bit.
@isidroduarte8942
@isidroduarte8942 24 дня назад
I’m at level 34 now. Difficulty spiked up but not by a lot imo. Story has gotten better and I’m liking Zhu Yuan a lot.
@beestek.94
@beestek.94 24 дня назад
"B-b-but it's already good to begin with! Especially the story!"
@vontecontroll1556
@vontecontroll1556 24 дня назад
Back then 81 being endgame was fine because it was there first time, but by this being a modern game, i expect them to make the endgame 41 or 51 this game has especially since the feedback is give me problems to face.
@lemonsquishy197
@lemonsquishy197 24 дня назад
I'm surprised you expected anything else than toxicity from homoverse fans.
@Thiago-yj7dg
@Thiago-yj7dg 24 дня назад
I don't get the point of "4 stars and 5 stars look the same" whenever ZZZ has one of the best character designs on recent gachas, better than genshin or wuwa, so are people expecting the 4 star characters to look worse? are they mad about all characters having good designs?
@TarantulaGaming11
@TarantulaGaming11 24 дня назад
Straight jorking it
@theherbst4851
@theherbst4851 24 дня назад
Cookie run kingdom has the one of best gacha animations Dislyte has some of the better character designs Yes both are gacha games The voice actor shorts with discs seems to be inspired by Dislyte, the animation intro style as well. That's the only gacha game I know that uses lot of records, is music based and has over the top animations on their character videos
@DaedLizrad
@DaedLizrad 24 дня назад
I agree that the ages shouldn't be too ambiguous, especially when on the line like Ellen, but seriously, I'm starting to worry people can't pick up basic social ques at this point. The blue demon for example is employed in the special forces, thats a pretty extreme social que for being an adult, yet she's still being considered a kid in the community... kids shouldn't be working in a special forces unit, shocking fact there I know. Now, if they present such social ques and then betray those social ques, I agree that's not cool, but let's at least wait for the betrayal before raging impotently online.
@reactiondavant-garde3391
@reactiondavant-garde3391 24 дня назад
"No, you doN't understand, if a girl short and have small boobs she is a child!" - Some very intelligent person. I agree with you, it is the same as the twin-tail girl from the PubSec, like, no children should part of the policeforce so we can assume she is just a shorty. People are so brainrotted I think they can only differenciate female characters dependign how tall they are and how big there's boobs is. Everyone "loli" or "MILF", it is just tragic at this point.
@uchihas1995
@uchihas1995 24 дня назад
Quick note, right now Honkai Impact end game is 81, it was not like that in the beginning of the game even some boss stories were kind hard like Wendy is just that right now the most recent characters are so much stronger
@uchihas1995
@uchihas1995 24 дня назад
Also I have played HI3rd since the launch of global (7 years) and I will not mind waiting for max lvl for hyper late game but the gameplay and mechanics requiered to get s rank in all stages is just brain dead also too much tvs and there some quest that are just clicking barrels and boxes do 2 missions then wait 3 levels to continue the story
@harrycee656
@harrycee656 24 дня назад
Anything Hoyo + Community is toxic based on precedent and historically experiences.
@Cytryz
@Cytryz 24 дня назад
That’s crazy, skipping all story. I get not wanting to read but missing out on those cinematic cutscenes, oof. I’ll probably check her out, she seems reasonable unlike a lot of people i’ve seen. One doesn’t need to have a positive opinion but at least a well thought out one. I’ve seen too many that have not put much thought into what was said at worst and at best are awful at fully articulating their grievances.
@LUCAS420BLZ
@LUCAS420BLZ 24 дня назад
You can't skip cinematic cutscenes but most voiced dialogue
@tuna-rc8pq
@tuna-rc8pq 24 дня назад
I mean in every gacha community there's always toxicity so I guess it's not that.. 🤷🏻‍♀️ so I guess it's better to just ignore it
@extrastuffboxofaksakl1k354
@extrastuffboxofaksakl1k354 24 дня назад
"They are waiting for people to get used to structure". Which structure? Which? I'm geniuly asking. Which structure? as a level 40 player. I really didn't see any. And the all "endgame" stuff just feels like "normal enemy but with more hp". Even in endgame, it's not hard. I'm not dying. I either get unlucky build or I fail the dps check. If anyone knows "structure", please tell me. Because right now it feels like Zy0x's Itto guide on stream "did you see your mouse? There is a button on the left. Hold it and you do big damage."
@giantship555
@giantship555 23 дня назад
You never died against the weekly boss ? So hard to pary that thing
@extrastuffboxofaksakl1k354
@extrastuffboxofaksakl1k354 23 дня назад
@@giantship555 No. And you don't have to parry. Dodges also have high reaction window. And all dps have good damage after dodge. And most of them apply element to their attack after dodge. So learning parry isn't matter in the game too.
@JovianTon
@JovianTon 24 дня назад
Yeah it suck you are fucked either way so just play what you want and enjoy it . Most of your community likes you for the entertainment you bring as individual not as much on what you are playing. I just think Haters are a lot louder which sucks ^^. I still don't get why people don't understand that you can dislike parts of a game and still find enjoyment in other aspects of it. Also people in my generation used to play tons of games from deferent genre if you liked FFVII you could also like mavel vs capcom and Mortal Kombat. No one was fighting over it.
@XzMondayNightzX
@XzMondayNightzX 24 дня назад
12:38 What? The way this game is designed is an everyday login slave. Don't listen to these lies. To make this work you would have to remove dailies and make them weeklies, have a battery overflow system that doesn't punish you for not logging in every day, (Rip free 60 refills too) and increase chrome income if you're not going to be there to collect every event and login. They'd also need to streamline the upgrade materials too. Banners last long enough I suppose... it's just a matter of getting the pulls in a STINGY ASS HOYO GAME. (180 pulls and 30 of them where limited and 80 of them garbage boopon pulls... the "Ones you earn in game".) Everything about this game is not "Put down and walk away and play once a week." it is big fomo.
@Newerzeal
@Newerzeal 24 дня назад
I did not think AT ALL I was going to like ZZZ but after the ballet twins things got harder shinyu is kicking my ass on the 8th level. i originally started with fgo and despite it being GACHA HELL, the community is amazing i also agree the hoyo community is immensely toxic. it caught me off guard when i saw people talking trash over a character and calling them "mains" arjuna alter and morgan in fgo have always divided people, but its always friendly banter or who is better at what , it never escalates to someone talking absolute trash because they have a preference i now just expect it and that's kind of sad, its just a trend of hoyoverse games , and to some of us who want to enjoy the game, it is getting old
@misagamii
@misagamii 24 дня назад
I understand that the game doesn't do a good job teaching players mechanics but everyone in chat complaining the ENTIRE game is too easy genuinely dropped it before they got to Shiyu Defense or the harder stages LOL
@al8704
@al8704 24 дня назад
Your title bait is so good I LOVE it.
@hexjuice
@hexjuice 24 дня назад
how is it bait?
@hexjuice
@hexjuice 24 дня назад
nvm i changed it... not bc it was bait but because it sucked
@al8704
@al8704 24 дня назад
@@hexjuice you're good. Pls do as you please
@zera2531
@zera2531 24 дня назад
Imagine smashing 1 botton till level 81 and then you need to click in panic every single one botton you see on screen
@bloody4558
@bloody4558 24 дня назад
Imagine being s desingenuous to make this statement when it simply isn't true
@boyscodon909
@boyscodon909 24 дня назад
quit after 140 pull from zzz, rate is shit
@woopsloops7382
@woopsloops7382 24 дня назад
It’s a gacha game, plus it’s Hoyo. the rates have always been shit
@LUCAS420BLZ
@LUCAS420BLZ 24 дня назад
​@@woopsloops7382it being hoyo specifically makes the rates worse they don't give you much to work with or towards I usually don't care about pulls and stick to a specific character I love but Billy is so bad so I gave up
@boyscodon909
@boyscodon909 23 дня назад
@@woopsloops7382 idk, playing ww make me realize how bad zzz rate is
@boyscodon909
@boyscodon909 23 дня назад
@@LUCAS420BLZ yea i try to stick with A unit but only Anby make sense, others are lame af if only they give a selector i would stay with soldier 11
@woopsloops7382
@woopsloops7382 23 дня назад
@@boyscodon909 ZZZ does have a character selector, it’s the same as HSR where you gotta pull a certain amount of times to get the character you want. Also WuWa rates are just as bad too, it’s a gacha game
@jacenouzen
@jacenouzen 23 дня назад
For me, I know I would like ZZZ's combat, even if its subpar to WuWa and PGR. (which are both Kuro's games) But I dont want to support Hoyo, simple aa that really. Theyre the bane of existence that started most chaos in the gacha community. Well the people are, but Hoyo is what fueled the flame that was but a spark. But if it werent for Hoyo, other devs wouldntve gotten inspiration, or a formula to steal from to make it better. So it really is just a pick your poison. As gachas are predatory and we all know it.
@jacenouzen
@jacenouzen 23 дня назад
I just find it insane that theres 100% a group of mindless followers who play Hoyo's games because CCs say its good, but deep down everyone knows its bad but is manipulated to think otherwise, biggest is Genshin. As for ZZZ, its still pretty early, but there has definitely been a stockholm syndrome situation. "You have to waste your time to get to the good part" is what everyone saying basically. I mean there are others thats fine with that, each to their own. But its just crazy is all from a sane person's perspective.
@anxientdesu
@anxientdesu 24 дня назад
i understand the game wanting to take it slow, but sometimes it feels like the game is treating me like a child who can't think for themselves. Every aspect of the gameplay until Interknot 28 has just been the game telling me what to do, where to go, and why I'm doing it. Making your tutorial take 10 hours to complete is outdated design, or making the game actually start ramping up at CHAPTER 18 (I played through the Hi3 story and it was like momentary blips of absolute peak accompanied with hours of "why are we here?"). Honkai Impact 3rd could do it because it's an old-ass game thats building ontop of dated design. ZZZ is a modern game, and it should present itself as such. This is like the "Just watch One Piece, bro. It gets really good at episode 90" and it's like, "my brother in christ, i am NOT going to spend 90 DAYS WORTH OF WATCHTIME to figure out if I potentially like something or not. I will DIE. Is One Piece good? Yeah, I'm sure it is! But dedicating that much time on my already dwindling free-time is NOT for me. __ I don't mean that ZZZ can't do slow burn. It definitely can, it's just doing it so horribly inefficiently I'm genuinely wondering if there's even a story at all? Take the early game, the PRIME way of selling your NEW PLAYERS into the world of ZZZ. Cunning Hares are absorbed into a Hollow and now they have to get out. Nicole, being the only one who didn't get sucked in, panic drives to go hire Phanteon to get them out. And the twins do their thing and they get paid, and then leave. We are given NOTHING else about the protagonist. At this point, we know they're important. They gotta be, they're the protagonists! But... How are they important? As far as the story is concerned, they're just two people running a movie store, while undercover? They're doing this Proxy thing. Hell, we don't even know much about the world, and we can't explore the world because this game's Hub based, which means 90% of our activity is gonna be in New Eridu, and specifically in our little corner of the world. This doesn't change for 10 hours or more into the story when you delve in more. We are given NO reason to care for Phanteon. We are given NO reason to even care about the people living in ZZZ's world. Things are bad, but why is everything covered in this thin layer of comedy? And this whole nothingburger is given SO much screentime of people just talking, but nothing is happening, which is only compounded by when we actually get to the combat (the heavily advertised part of the game), only to find out that the enemies are so heavily lobotomized that it might be more accurate to call them mannequins rather than monsters. Give me a reason to care about ONE PERSON in this game, and I will stick to your story like glue. The story doesn't even have to be good, as long that the main character of the game is interesting. This game has yet to give me that, which sucks balls because as usual, HYV sticks the landing on writing every other character other than Phanteon. (Editing this comment as I'm watching the video)
@davidgoodman2813
@davidgoodman2813 24 дня назад
Gacha communities are toxic? Huh, who would've thought :) ZZZ community is toxic, WuWa community is toxic, HSR is toxic, Genshin is toxic, TOF, Arknights, etc and so forth ad-nauseum in perpetuity. Almost like the idea of making your game's identity be based on it's monetization method is a deliberately polarizing move by a company that forces people into extreme ideologies because of financial (or forced time) investment, creating an aggressively positive community that forces an equally-aggressive counter-community in a never-ending war of misplaced outrage that in turn makes the people who DO spend money/time, spend more to "show their support" and "stick it to the other side!" when the revenue and MAU charts are posted in a bizarre game of capitalism PVP where the only winners are the corporations that created the arena and the rules that everyone - from the positive to the negative posters - play by. But other than that, I have no strong opinions.
@randomaether
@randomaether 23 дня назад
It Gets Better After 100 Hours... if that is your response, let me ask you this in return, why was it not good before? this is all an excuse to say poor early game design, and if so, why do we have to get through that?
@shaka2tu
@shaka2tu 24 дня назад
meanwhile nikke enjoyer was calm and civilized. except someone occasionally posting sex position tier list for nikke lol.
@JamesBrown-zu8iv
@JamesBrown-zu8iv 24 дня назад
😕 Obviously, anyone PPL doing this for tool anxiety of perfect was this game from HoYoverse. Not only that, who wouldn't know kept offensive and remarks the rights of hatred, and anyway over being's as they are.
@traplegend5065
@traplegend5065 21 день назад
Me
@mercutiodrakmord5291
@mercutiodrakmord5291 24 дня назад
100% Agreed, if the combat didn't feel so braindead me and my friends probably would have lasted more than 4 hours before we had to drop the game. It also didn't help that ZZZ was promoting it's combat and then delivered... whatever the hell this "tutorial" was. It reminds me of FFXIII or as some call it FF Hallway. The tutorial didn't end till after 20 hours of gameplay in which you couldn't really do much for team building until then. Imagine having a 3 character battle system and never actually having 3 characters or being able to pick your characters to play until after 20 hours+. No thank you.
@lactoseman
@lactoseman 24 дня назад
hoyostans are just the drake glazers of the gacha world
@definitivnichtcroire7428
@definitivnichtcroire7428 24 дня назад
i am not a hoyostan but its funny that as wuwa had problems it was said its only patch 1.0 so lets wait for the updates and judge then and for zenless nah it is so bad at 1.0 we don´t care if it gets better in the next updates
@LUCAS420BLZ
@LUCAS420BLZ 24 дня назад
​@@definitivnichtcroire7428 the thing is they had 3 Cbts as well and so much resources to fix Zzz complaints but they didn't The biggest complaint they changed was the energy gated story, imagine if they didn't change that the reviews would be so much lower Or maybe the pacing would be better because nobody would be able to binge through it
@Dermendes
@Dermendes 24 дня назад
For kids. Also this game make people stupid
@HarapinAngReyalidad
@HarapinAngReyalidad 24 дня назад
More like the whole gacha community is toxic
@TerkoizRHG
@TerkoizRHG 23 дня назад
No offense but im actually embarassed hearing shit like Plinking being uttered when playing ZZZ tbh, it feels so forced for some reason lol
@Qnigz
@Qnigz 24 дня назад
I hate this argument that you need to play 50, 100, god forbid 200 hours for a game to be good. It's a design issue. Great games are engaging and good from the start. Same goes for the storytelling. You don't have to reveal EVERYTHING at the start. Too much front loaded information is bad as well. But you DO have to establish some interesting premise or a mystery quite early to keep the story interesting.
@blazingmonolith4323
@blazingmonolith4323 23 дня назад
Making comparisons to HI3rd isn't exactly a strong argument, HI3rd is trash. It's garbage filler trash 🗑
@Xailei_
@Xailei_ 24 дня назад
I think a lot of people forgot how to just chill and play a game💀, like why does it NEED to have super hard boss fights that one shot u off rip, or endgame that takes hours to do? Sure it would be nice, but it’s like yall try and speedrun every game and get to the endgame, and then complain when u run out of content. I personally, don’t mind the combat being flashy brainrot. I already have wuwa one shotting me in TOA. I don’t need another game where I have to spend hours trying to finish my bi-weekly activities. I don’t particularly mind if the difficulty takes a while to ramp up, I play like 5 gacha games, not just this one. Also, for those who pay attention to leaks, in 1.3 of zzz they’re dropping their first 5* defense unit. Which is also the same time where they dropped fu xuan in HSR and dropped Swarm disaster. So it’s possible that difficulty will spike heavily then, as they will be dropping their first 5* “sustain” unit. Cuz let’s be honest, HSR wasn’t that hard before 1.3 either.
@OldManInternet
@OldManInternet 24 дня назад
To me, the main reason the game seems like it's targeted towards kids are the characters. Billy for instance feels like he was designed to entertain middle schoolers. Most of the characters are kids, or teenagers, and the designs seem geared towards a younger crowd vs say HSR. And I get that you can have a younger cast in a game and have it targeted towards adults because Persona, but gacha games are designed to encourage connections with the characters. But when they're mostly kids and moody teenagers, that's kind of awkward for adults. I also think the incredibly shallow difficulty curve is also an indication that it's geared towards kids. Games designed for adults are more willing to ask more from players sooner, while games for kids tend to be easier longer to prevent them from getting upset and quitting. That said, I get that marketing games towards kids is a bad strategy to make money in gacha. And if adults want to play a game geared towards kids, there's nothing wrong with that. But to me, ZZZ definitely seems to have a more youthful vibe to it than any of HoYos other games, and while I'm sure they're happy to catch zoomers in their net, I feel like their target demographic is anyone who would play Fortnite.
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