Absolutely love your work, Dan. It’s essential. It’s difficult to find reliable scholarly work on the Bible. I enjoy Ehrman, but really appreciate your perspective. Thanks for what you’re doing. Please keep it up!
My Dad (who went to seminary to much and never got ordained) taught me possibilities. Maybe the initial challenge between David and Goliath, David knocked Goliath down, and Goliath refused to honor the duel, and a team of men went after him. Also Lahmi can mean Eater of (thy) Bread, Wager of (my) War so he he could of been his brother, another Giant(like.) He didn't care of NIV's "brother of Goliath" as after hebrew/greek my dad always went to NASB and said that NIV injected the brother of Goliath due to Chronicles and was not what the actual text said. Finally, Goliath was a descriptor, so they might have not preserved the first Goliath's name, and they merely called him A Goliath. Love your work. I need scriptural interaction since my dad passed.
@@newsreader7362 2 Samuel 21:19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. Says the brother of galiath
Even the entry for "Goliath" in the Bible Dictionary at the back of the LDS KJV notes that there is a conflict in the narrative. Thanks, Dan, for your input on this matter. By the way, I have a small Hebrew job for you if you can freelance in your current position.
Manoah, Samuel son, said that an Angel Sent by God stroke Goliat from the back when David hit him with the stone. That is why Goliath colaps on his face.
I heard someone say that archeological data are weak when trying to support the presence of David as King, and that many doubt his historical existence as king in response. IF this is true, then why might the later authors and compilers work so hard to make something of this little-known king?
mythological founding figures r just part of the ANE cultural milieu none of the patriarchs, Moses or Joshua existed either. Only possible evidence of a real historical David is the inscription on the Tel Dan stele, a reference to the house of David dating to bout 9th century bce
I understand and appreciate the concern. I usually film my RU-vid videos horizontally, but if it’s under 10 minutes & I want to post it to TikTok too, this is more efficient for me. I try to minimize doing that, though.
You might be correct. It is just as likely, perhaps, that you are not. Let me contribute my 2 cents. And feel free to respond if you feel inclined, these are just my thoughts based on my limited knowledge: 1. It is possible that 2 Samuel contains the scribal omission and that Lahmi is the brother of Goliath. That would solve any discrepancy. 2. If not, it is possible Elhanan is in fact David. I say this because many people in the Bible had more than one name. David's son, Solomon, had more than one name. He went by Shlomo (Solomon), but he also appears to be called Kohelet (Qoheleth) as well as Yedideyah (Jedidiah). Also, Jethro, the priest of Midian,also seems to be named Reuel. If Elhanan is another name for David, a possible bit of supporting evidence is that both are Elhanan and David are from Bethlehem. Elhanan's father's name appears in one verse to be Jaare and another verse to be Jair--clearly the same person, but could those be other names for Jesse? Perhaps, but that's more of a stretch than my above suggestion and requires more assumptions. 3. You claimed Lahmi couldn't be the name of Goliath's brother because: it's not in keeping with naming conventions of the time, it means "My Bread," and is ludicrous, and it is a semitic name. However, don't you think the author of Chronicles would have been aware of that? There are numerous ways it could make perfect sense. Perhaps it was intended to be ludicrous in order to mock him. Maybe the Semitic name was what the Hebrews called him. Maybe that really was his name and he just had a really odd name. Maybe it was a nickname. Maybe the name originated due to a scribal error. If it was simply made up by the author of Chronicles, I am sure he could have come up with something more believable, being an educated scribe who was writing for literate people of his own time. In other words, it could be argued that the oddity of the name is evidence that it isn't made up. 4. I agree with you that the 2 Sam. story is likely earlier than the 1 Chron. version, but that doesn't mean that the 1 Chron. version is in error. The 2 Sam. version, being older, is more likely to contain more scribal errors. Perhaps the writer of 1 Chron. possessed an earlier copy of 2 Sam. which said Elhanan killed Goliath's brother. Centuries later, the scribal error occurred and we no longer have access to them. Thank you for the excellent and informative video, btw!
Given that the text of 1-2 Samuel is known to have a few blips flipped, I actually proposed the opposite conclusion: the 1 Chronicles text preserves the original reading while the 2 Samuel one has some bits flipped, meaning it should read "And there was again a battle at Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam." (Conjectural emendation.)
Well, that depends on the chronology. The Philistines were of Aegean origin, so at least initially, they would NOT have spoken Canaanite (or any other Semitic language). They would have spoken some form of Proto-Greek (Mycenaean or Arcado-Cypriot, to be specific - or perhaps even a “Minoan” hybrid if they came from “Kaphtor” - Crete). Over time, after being settled on the coastal plain of Canaan ( Philistia) they would have gradually acculturate several aspects of indigenous culture - especially the Canaanite language(s). Eventually, Canaanite would supplant their own language (with some elements of the original Aegean vocabulary perhaps still surviving intact).
This guy is fake. Don't listen to him. He is trying so hard to look smart but in the eyes of people who did a little researches on this topic, he is a joke.
2 Samuel 21:19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. NOT TRUE IT SAYS ELHANAN SLEW THE BROTHER OF GOLIATH THE GITTITE
@fnjesusfreak the Hebrew of Goliath and brother of Goliath is one scribble off from each other. Prolly scribal error. Or it got scratched off on the text being used to make the English version. Elhanan killed Lahmi. David killed Goliath. That's my opinion.
@@greghillmusic That's my opinion also: the 1 Chronicles text is uncorrupted, the 2 Samuel text has a couple flipped bits that makes the text preposterous on its face.
@@fnjesusfreakI mean if I just trust my KJV, that's what it tells me. Guess in the end, it doesn't even matterrrrrr. Yes, I was singing that last bit.
@@greghillmusic I don't really care one way or the other about the KJV though it is the translation I use most. I think my conjectural reading of 2 Sm 21.19 is the most logical way to read it: "And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines where _Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite,_ the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam."
