Who's The Fastest 2 Stroke Rider In Motocross History?

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This is a Motocross Highlights video of The Fastest 2 Stroke Riders In Motocross History. This video starts with 125cc highlights and finishes with 250cc highlights. This video asks the question of who is the fastest 2 stroke rider and gives a video review of several different riders so that you can make a decision. There's really no particular order when it comes to the different riders in this video, it just shows some epic 2 stroke racing from the 1990s and early 2000s. This video shows both Supercross and Pro Motocross in both the 125cc and 250cc classes. Also, there are some bonus videos of each rider shredding there 2 strokes. Riders include James Bubba Stewart, Travis Pastrana, Ricky Carmichael, Sebastien Tortelli, Kevin Windham, Mike LaRocco, and Doug Henry. Comment below who you think is The Fastest 2 Stroke Rider In Motocross History? Enjoy! #2stroke #motocross #supercross
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@pabloyescobar334 Год назад

James Stewart 125 days looked like he was at local race not a national. His speed difference was unreal.

@wd840mxhighlights Год назад

100%

@studboy9244 Год назад

totally agree he did things on that 125 that were unbelievable, I remeber when he let Reed catch and pass him in an outdoor race just to pass him back

@robertscofield7845 Год назад

@@studboy9244that was at Unadilla

@JonnyJetson754 Год назад

For real especially on the 125 so fun to watch mind blowing how much he charged

@danajohnson6794 Год назад

Big RC guy, feared Bubba coming up. Seeing him run times on the 125 competitive with the 250, crazy

@youngyarnzy777 Год назад

James Stewart on a 125!! He was on another level. Doing quads in Supercross the 250’s wouldn’t do

@bpt249 Год назад

By far Stewart on that 125. He was doing things on that bike people never thought possible. Not only did he win but he dominated everyone on that bike. It was insane watching it happen

@microsoftteams2663 Год назад

James was amazing to watch because you could SEE his racing intensity.

@gsmyrna7469 Год назад

Marty Smith on a 125 and Bob Hannah on a 250 our some of the fastest riders I have ever seen. RC and James in the newer era.

@robertscofield7845 Год назад

Marty Smith will never be forgotten!

@barbarasimons3762 Год назад

Very difficult to compare the two sets of riders from different times. All very worthy contenders.

@donaldvonlintig8445 Год назад

Bob "Hurricane" Hannah was the "Man" back in the day !💪👍

@nadenboyd6343 Год назад

I know there’s lots of guys to remember but Jeramy mc was wicked rider

@turbotorana4336 Год назад

danny "magoo" chandler without a doubt,when people like roger decoster were worried that he was going too fast and needed him to slow down a bit says a lot, i can guarentee that has never happened or been talked about of any other rider in history.

@wd840mxhighlights Год назад

I’ll have to look him up some more

@KCBluesJams Год назад

If Magoo could stay up he was unbeatable 👍 talk about someone who rode on the edge 😲

@jro341 Год назад

Thanks for bringing up Danny. I would have if you didn’t. That holeshot at mxdn was epic.

@JonnyJetson754 Год назад

Agree there is some great video documentation of Magoo

@padna7946 Год назад

Stewart was told his whole career to slow down. Had he slowed down he would easily have more wins and championships than anybody.

@TinyTitanRc Год назад

If u never got to watch James in person on a 125 u were missing out!

@davidpringle2227 Год назад

Used to watch him and Rc on minis at Dade City Raceway.

@jpesicka999 Год назад

Bubba on KX125 and RC on CR250R

@ML-lg4ky Год назад

On a super cross track it was Jeramy Mcgrath. Motor cross was Ricky.

@barbarasimons3762 Год назад

Previous champions were very very quick too. Rick Johnson, Hannah, Bradshaw, JMB.

@quincymurphy7532 Год назад

THE HURRICANE

@engineerinhickorystripehat9475 Год назад

MAGOOOOOOOOO

@mattlachet8073 Год назад

Jeramy huh

@ilikedirtx22 Год назад

Jaramy MkGrath

@fafh716 Год назад

Stew, Torteli, RC, MC, Lusk. All were demons on the 2-strokes.

@sakenamam3083 Год назад

Plus Mcgrath, Emig, Bradshaw, Pichon and Everts

@barbarasimons3762 Год назад

@@sakenamam3083 People seem to forget the likes of Hannah and Rick Johnson as well. RJ was almost unbeatable in the world in his heydey, cut very short by a bad wrist injury.

@fafh716 Год назад

@@barbarasimons3762 I don’t forget them. I just grew up in the 90s. I’ve watch the older guys like Marty Smith, Jeff Smith in the 60s, DeCoster. How about Lance Moorwood? Larry Brooks? Gary Jones? Animals on 2-Strokes

@worldssickestmedia2713 Год назад

Jeremy McGrath on supercross. Carmichael on Motocross. And James Stewart wins the medal for all around craziest bastard who ever walked the planet earth because he was faster than both of them. He was so fast he'd either crash or win.

@markb7067 10 месяцев назад

Stew was sick, like from another planet. What a privilege to see that talent at its best.

@Scandle68 Год назад

Great video. I'm going with Stewart as the fastest on a 125 and RC as the fastest on a 250. There were times where Tortelli and Windham could be untouchable, but more often than not, RC was too much for them. I don't think anyone has gone as fast on a 125 as Stewart to this day. Bring the 2003-2004 James Stewart and that Kawi he rode forward in time to 2023, and he would still.smoke anyone's ass today on a 125. Even on today's bikes. If there were a way to do that, I'd bet everything I own on Stewart. 2003 Mxon...RC on that CR250 did something beyond legendary. Only RC could have pulled that off. That's one example of why I give him the nod as the best ever on a 250 two stroke.

@wd840mxhighlights Год назад

😘

@padna7946 Год назад

Do you not remember what Stewart did on a 250 trying to beat RC on a 450. That was insane. I don’t think a 250 2stroke could be rode harder than that. I felt sorry for the bike… lol

@KJclimbing Год назад

@@padna7946 what race was that. I'd love to see

@TheMEandBoy Год назад

@@KJclimbing unadilla 05 I believe. It’s on Gary baileys channel

@Scandle68 Год назад

@@padna7946 I agree, but it wasn't just Carmichael who beat Stewart when Stewart rode the 250 two stroke. He got beat by other riders as well. Look at the dominance of RC when he rode the 250 two stroke outdoors against the 4 strokes. He straight up whooped Everts on a Euro track while on that CR250 with Everts on the 450 four stroke. He even came from a long ways back in the pack. Stewart got straight up whooped by Everts at 2006 mxon even on a 450 four stroke and Everts 34 years old going into retirement. In a full season I'd bet the farm that Carmichael would defeat Stewart at least 8 out of 12 races if they were both on 250 two strokes.

@davidhinton808 Год назад

Pastrana, RC and JS we're all so entertaining in the 125 class, incredible riders

@wd840mxhighlights Год назад

👌🏻

@megclifton6692 Год назад

I think if Bob Hannah was in his prime on a modern bike he would be very hard to beat they didn't call him the "Hurricane" for no reason....

@troyscherr5054 Год назад

Or Broc Glover

@troyscherr5054 Год назад

@Johnny Rebellion I'd even mention Rick Johnson, before the wrist surgeries. I liked all those guys no matter what color they rode. Lackey had some good years too. Was it Bale in the European series in that time frame? I'm old and forget.

@jeffro5032 Год назад

Excellent video my man! Thank you!

@wd840mxhighlights Год назад

No problem!🤙🏻

@massimobianchi4262 Год назад

Massimo from Italy .Thanks for posting this video! I don't know who was the fastest but in any case they were all great drivers! Long life for two stroke !

@tylersvensson4468 Год назад

I didn’t understand why James got so much attention especially me coming into the sport when he just left. But looking back at old footage he still looks faster then anyone. Definitely a fan now

@goinhot9133 Год назад

Ever watch the Daytona comeback?

@bpt249 Год назад

Stewart in his prime was the fastest person to ever ride a dirt bike. When he was on there absolutely nobody that could touch him..only problem was he was so fast that maintaining that speed was impossible so him crashing in spectacular fashion was a given that it would happen at some point.

@jinoziniosti5633 Год назад

In the US: 65s RC 85s John Kitsch 125s James Stewart 250s Rick Johnson (outdoors) Jeremy McGrath (supercross) 500s Danny Magoo Chandler

@semperfi6288 Год назад

Have to go with Jeremy McGrath (M.C.) "The King". 72 wins and 7 championships in AMA Supercross. Fastest 2 stroker ever!!

@jordanonofer3886 Год назад

Lots of super fast guys. But gotta say it's James Stewart.

@JonnyJetson754 Год назад

Tons of great footage all in one video 🥇🚲 Thanks Wd840

@wd840mxhighlights Год назад

Much appreciated🤙🏻

@davidmc3262 Год назад

I think you should have included the 500 class when you think of the massive power , vibration etc too keep these bikes in check. great video video though 👍

@wd840mxhighlights Год назад

ill do a separate 500 vid at some point and much appreciated

@MikNoBrain 4 месяца назад

Amazing video 👏 Golden Era ❤🏆

@ronnieka3309 Год назад

I guess Stefan Everts as 10x mx world champ in recent 2stroke history would count for me as up there!

@wd840mxhighlights Год назад

Hard to put him in the same video as Tortelli when it comes to speed. No doubt he’s an all time great.

@craighills2382 Год назад

Thank You for the entertainment, your Idea of work ,many Regards Craig

@wd840mxhighlights Год назад

much appreciated man, if you have any video suggestions im all ears

@jeremywebber6353 Год назад

Stewart on a 125 literally looked like he was from another planet, he looked like a pro rider decided to race C class, the dude was unreal, and hot take, but I honestly think in all of sports history, there have been very few single athletes that have been THAT far above their competition.

@louisbernard9161 Год назад

Great edit ; and thanks for including Tortelli as I also totally think he deserves to be up there, he almost invented the beast mode lol :)

@wd840mxhighlights Год назад

Tortelli is the only man that could beat RC and Everts in there prime👌🏻

@claytonandrews1907 Год назад

Ricky Carmichael!!!!. How can anyone even say different. Who is called the goat, and has won more races by a landslide on a 250. Ricky Carmichael!! Anyone who says different needs to get their head out of their ass!!!!!

@chadclemen Год назад

@@wd840mxhighlights KDub did it as well a few times when he was on the RM250 and I think we should give credit to Reynard also on the 125. He went around the OUTSIDE of RC at Unadilla in 1998 and dropped him. Kudos on this vid by the way, all of your stuff is awesome but this thing is next level! I have watched it like 10 times... 👍

@wd840mxhighlights Год назад

@@chadclemen i appreciate that man, more to come!

@durose111 Год назад

Great video 📹 👍 before I even started watching I was hoping Tortelli would be in there. You know your stuff 👌

@wd840mxhighlights Год назад

Tortelli doesn't get enough credit

@dagodigs Год назад

McGrath is the KING and the best ever! But Stewart was the fastest to ever ride a motorcycle! And Ricky was close behind Stewart!

@lugnutlarry1764 Год назад

The question was about motocross, sorry, McGrath wasn’t shit in Moto

@dagodigs Год назад

@@lugnutlarry1764 McGrath didn't care about motocross and the 1 year he did he won outdoors .....he is the best ever!!!!

@Gazza-zg2tr Год назад

Ricky Carmichael Des Nations RC against Everts best two stroke rider ever,and Everts was on a 450 lol.

@craighills2382 Год назад

You also need to through these riders on 500 outdoors when tracks were rough as crap

@wd840mxhighlights Год назад

Planning on doing a separate 500 video, hard to compare speed when the equipment has evolved so much.

@donbrashsux Год назад

Seb Tortelli in his prime on the GP circuit was the fastest man on the planet .. he even made Stefan cry

@rediron44 Год назад

Ricky Carmichael had him covered. Everts even said RC was the fastest guy he ever saw ride a dirtbike

@donbrashsux Год назад

@@rediron44 yes covered in the US but Seb on the GP circuit was something else

@davide5431 Год назад

diesel di you remember glen helen 1999?tortelli was amazing

@Mxrider276 11 месяцев назад

He was fast, but he didn't make Jaws drop or grow the the sport jus raw speed certain tracks nothing like js7 he changed how everybody rides a bike had stadiums silent watching in practice I've never seen nothing like it, all u hear is James ripping, and it be other riders on the track.

@rediron44 11 месяцев назад

@@Mxrider276 and he still wasn't as fast as Ricky Carmichael. Ricky beat him every time. Stew only won 3 overalls against RC ever. Even when RC was retired and running a farewell tour, RC beat him for all 6 over alls

@mtyhntr49 Год назад

A late family member of ours " Mike ( too tall ) Bell. Team Yamaha 250 class. R.I.P. buddy. ❤

@wd840mxhighlights Год назад

loved his style

@markgray6982 Год назад

Hannah, Bell Glover, the Good Ole Days

@kylechaffee7186 6 месяцев назад

James. As a kid watching him was like watching the future of the sport. I became better at racing myself just by watching how he raced. For a long time the entire race / season depended on if James crashed or not. Even in seasons where he wasn't in the point race, the ability to just pull the trigger on wins was always a threat.

@vwgtdturbo Год назад

best video on yt!!all legends here

@wd840mxhighlights Год назад

🤙🏻

@jaymontgomery3330 Год назад

Carmichael.. hands down!

@TheShepdawg9 Год назад

Bubba 125, Tortelli 250.

@alexdetrana8740 Год назад

Very Simple, Ricky Johnson. Carmichael is a close second. I saw Carmichael basically lap second on a KX 60--both have great talent, needless to say

@traviscraine4015 Год назад

Stewart was keeping up with Ricky in 05 on a 250 two stroke and Ricky was on a 450 i rest my case

@barbarasimons3762 Год назад

That case doesn't include the other greats.

@megclifton6692 Год назад

I seen guys on Cr 80's straight pulling a lot of guys on 250's the rider definitely matters

@nialdarragh2716 Год назад

RC was on 250 2 stroke in 05

@barbarasimons3762 Год назад

@@nialdarragh2716 Incorrect. Suzuki RMZ 450

@shanecoopershow Год назад

stew was the fastest dude to go brap brap on a 125 without question

@bradbrown940 Год назад

Ron Lechien

@wayno23 Год назад

Very cool 😎 💨💨💨

@kapasoso Год назад

Gotta go with JS on a 125, many riders were the fastest for a time but couldn’t maintain the consistency of guys like RC on 250, Travis's comes to mind as incredible rider who was very fast but inconsistent. Windham when he was “on” was the one best riders ever.

@JonnyJetson754 Год назад

Yep Windham’s technique was flawless and what most riders want to ride like

@KCBluesJams Год назад

Bob Hurricane 💨🌊Hannah

@wd840mxhighlights Год назад

would love to see what he could do in his prime on a modern 2 stroke

@shawnoconnor9692 Год назад

The nostalgia. I spent my teens watching Carmichael and Stewart and Reed. ESPN 2. Speed channel. 2 strokes. Those were the days

@wd840mxhighlights Год назад

Same🤙🏻

@ericsimak7391 Год назад

James hands down most of the time his lap times were faster then Rc in super cross just untouchable.

@TheShepdawg9 Год назад

...but not motocross

@death8844 Год назад

@Jack s. kicking Yeah no one touched JS7

@tonycarabellese9981 Год назад

Ricky used to smoke James. You all are nuts lol.

@kurtrightmyer Год назад

No one dominated like Hannah in his prime. I was at the Anaheim Supercross one year, and Hannah lapped every rider in the main event!

@TheSteveSteele 11 месяцев назад

Saw that in the Houston Astrodome. It was crazy.

@eric6rock Год назад

Damn JS7 was getting cranked on the opening Segment 🤯 Really disappointing that stew hasn’t threw a leg over a bike in recent days All the other riders ride and even sometimes a two stroke.

@leehendrickson3030 Год назад

It was all about winning, or the fear of losing, he really didn't love the riding, doubt he'll ride again

@wd840mxhighlights Год назад

Hope we see him ride again, that would be great.

@michaelgesner2180 Год назад

Stewert, Pastrana, Carmichael, and that era never had the competition like Wardy, Johnson, Lechien, Omara, Bailey, Glover, Hannah, Bell, Cooper, and that era! I don't think the Carmichael era would have had the success that they had, if they had to race with Wardy and Johnson. The Wardy era was way tougher! Especially in Supercross! There were a lot of dirty riders back then. The Wardy era laid the blueprint for the Carmichael era! Here's my top 5 in Supercross! Rick Johnson, Jeff Ward, James Stewert, Jeremy Mcgrath, Ricky Carmichael. Outdoors top 5. Stefan Everts, Jeffery Herlings, Bob Hannah, Eric Geboers, James Stewert. I would have loved to see all these riders in their primes race together on identical machinery, and the wettest, muddiest, bumpiest, toughest track in the World. Only to see Bob Hannah come out victorious!

@craighills2382 Год назад

Ricky Johnson also Reed took it to RC many times prior, RC went to baker and trained harder and harder .Also indoors MC . Stewart was also proberbly faster but yeah. Its like anything. All years in anything would have to combine for the earlier riders to be joined at their time in history ?

@chrisbarker1895 Год назад

Fastest 125 US riders for me is between Mark Barnett and Jonny O, 250 would be Bob Hannah or Rick Johnson, watched a lot of GPs too and Eric Geboers and JMB were a bit special Just been thinking how good the 125 US outdoors nationals used to be, that kinda racing has just gone, GPs are a shadow of times gone by too, shame as the 2st is still great to hear too and I miss it

@barbarasimons3762 Год назад

Awesome guys, but how do we compare say Barnett or the O Show to James Stewart. How would Tomac, Herlings or Villapoto perform on a 2stroke.

@tmmckean Год назад

I saw Jeff Stanton ride a 125 Honda in the support class at the US Grand Prix at Unadilla. Wfo the entire track. Never saw anything like it since. He was unbelievable that day.

@wd840mxhighlights Год назад

👌🏻

@davide5431 Год назад

Tim stanton beat kiedrowski and bradshaw?

@tmmckean Год назад

@@davide5431 At Unadilla that day, way back in 1989, Stanton was there, but riding the 125cc support class, because he had raced the 500cc USGP earlier that year, and riders could only compete in one GP class per season in those days. This Unadilla race would be Stanton’s only pro race ever on a 125-he was trying to prove to DeCoster he would be a worthy pick for the small bike for the des Nations. He went 1-1, beating that year’s top 125 riders Mike Kiedrowski and Damon Bradshaw. Stanton would never need to race a 125 again, though. By the time des Nations rolled around, Johnson was struggling with the wrist, and Stanton got the 250 spot. Per JS - "That GP where I rode the 125 support class (1989) was great because I had never raced 125’s and I beat the guys who were racing and winning the nationals that year. That race was special, whenever I see a picture from the race I save them and print them off. That one was special, they’re all special to me but that one was a little extra."

@davide5431 Год назад

@@tmmckeancan you describe that race?Stanton is very strong at Unadilla but had litterally dominate?

@tmmckean Год назад

@@davide5431 It was 34 years ago... so my memory of the details have -passed. That said, the general memory of Stanton on that 125 that day has never left me. It wasn't even close. He dominated the day. We'll never know, but I would bet Stanton would have easily been top three if he raced that 125 in the premier 500 class that day.

@KRSteer Год назад

Mike Larocco killed it on the 500cc 2 smoke

@Savciuc_Serghei Год назад

Tortelli is the only rider who beat both Everts and RC4 in their primes. Besides he won MXoN race 125/500 on 125 bike. And I would delete Pastrama from the list and add Michael Pichon who numerous times beat on 250 2t Everts who was on 450 4t

@wd840mxhighlights Год назад

Pichon was landlubbers no doubt

@jordancook3775 Год назад

I wish all these racers would come back for a champions race…someone make it happen

@wd840mxhighlights Год назад

YES

@Sub2_EvocativeLofiandHiphop 4 месяца назад

I'd of loved to have seen Bubba and Tortelli as teens going all out, now that would be insane

@rafaellerner3901 Год назад

Jeremy MC Grath Supercross RC Motocross

@japslapr Год назад

Mc is prescrub. Prime Stewart would lap MC on a sx track.

@neilmartin5539 4 месяца назад

I saw him at Muddy Creek Tennessee on a suoermini , his lap times were 2 seconds off the 250 pro main which was the big bike them to put it in perspective , there were some fast guys there that ran supercross and nationals

@SoldadoFerreiraa 3 месяца назад

Onde está o Chad reed #22 ? um excelente piloto também 2t

@nicholasfantini3638 Год назад

Js, rc, on both 125 and 250. Robbie Reynard had killer corner speed and to ride a 125 like did. Pastrana rips as well. I got to ride with him many years ago down at lake sugar tree at a Gary Bailey School. Yogi, ryno, there were sooo many fast guys could go back further than that. Bradshaw, Stanton, the digger, johnny o and bailey. The list goes on and on. Great watch

@leviellis9034 Год назад

I just wanna know what the clutchs on js 125 were made out of

@RobertJones-ix2hu Год назад

I’d say Bubba. RC was fast too & ended up with the most titles but Stew would go that extra few percent, do something incredible, & it would end up checkers or wreckers

@anthonyegnor6347 Год назад

RC,Tortellini,Stewart, Magoo

@craighills2382 Год назад

Once Again ,well put together, If Im to answer who looked the fastest with effortless bike control One would have to say Stewart I dont like to take anything away from past Champions . But he was off his head with bike attitude, appeared to be with ease

@mtr1916 Год назад

For me, the golden era of mx & sx...

@CR250rSMITH Год назад

stew on his 125 was the fastest 125 rider ever

@navydad1475 Год назад

Subjective question, but I gotta go with Bob Hannah.

@dylanrijnberg6933 Год назад

69% of people forget Uncle RON... Ronnie Mac #69 rewriting the history books !!!

@xavier8285 Год назад

1.Ronnie Mac 2. Jimmy Decotis 3. Carson Brown

@pags1981 Год назад

Stewart on 125's and Carmicharl on 250's

@ralphreynolds4803 6 месяцев назад

LOL, James just absolutely LOVED to show the rest of the field that they were simply NOT IN HIS LEAGUE.

@buckeyepfund8934 Год назад

I seen Carmichael at Steel City sfter he had already locked up the 250 title jump on a 125 & lap everyone except 2nd & 3rd place. He was 3 seconds a lap faster than any on a 250 that day

@ChristianCMC Год назад

What about Johnny O at the Des Nations on a CR 125?

@michaelholt3128 Год назад

Magoo Chandler!

@robertscofield7845 Год назад

R.I.P.

@waddney4121 Год назад

Jean-Michel Bayle

@edwardbarr5163 Год назад

I feel like a few of these guys could still red plate the class to this day

@gpiece601 Год назад

James on a 125 was like he was on a 500 and everyone else was on an 80

@kippnovak9833 Год назад

No doubt about it...James bubba Stewart...

@0bzranq Год назад

125: Bubba no doubt. 250: RC, smoked prime everts with bored out 500cc deep sand track on 03 mxdn. Only two guys with perfect years under belt. Edit: forgot to add, PASTRANA he did so much for the sport

@msoto951 Год назад

Hands down. James

@rocketrandy3744 Год назад

JAMES STEWART HANDS DOWN

@Roost426 Год назад

James Stewart, I believe the record books would have looked a little different had they stayed racing 2 strokes only for another 10 or so years.

@jaybird3302 Год назад

93/94 Henry lamson Hughes Reynard. Those guys were fast on 125s back then and many more…

@tonexotero3044 Год назад

Travis Pastrana best 2 stroke rider 👍🥰

@matthewtoes6433 Год назад

Sebastian Tortelli, mickeal Pichon Both beat Stefan Everts when Stefan was at his best but on the AMA side my vote would go to Jeff Emig

@jimgoose9146 Год назад

I said the word srewart before i watched it. I think my guess was precise carmichael a very close second

@scascojohn Год назад

Johnny O! Just look at the 1986 Des Nations.

@cbogolo Год назад

The racing was so much better with 2 strokes in my opinion

@wd840mxhighlights Год назад

100%

@cbogolo Год назад

@@wd840mxhighlights I hope they bring some 300's into the mix. Either way I think some riders would do better on a 250 than a 450. They need more options for riders. Hell I wouldn't mind seeing the Stark Varg out there when it comes out

@wd840mxhighlights Год назад

@@cbogolo 300 2 strokes would be epic in its own class

@cbogolo Год назад

@@wd840mxhighlights yeah but that would never fly because they are woke and don't like 2 strokes. Thats why they stopped improving 2 stroke motors in the late 90's and focused on 4 strokes because of environmental protection in California where all of the factory teams and American headquarters for the companies were and it limited them on r&d and time on the bike. You can watch the Kaplan America channel doing 2 stroke dyno runs against 4 strokes and see that they didn't move away because 4 strokes are superior