We keep talking about Iceland in 2016 being an 'all time low'. And okay, let's say it was. Do the media not realise that if it weren't for an OVERHEAD KICK in the 94th minute deep into injury time, this 'much better' team with a 'much better culture' would have gone out of Euro 2024 against SLOVAKIA?! At the exact same time as we lost to Iceland in the last 16! if not for Bellingham's moment of individual brilliance (which is also over-hyped), we were out. Gone. Bye bye. And that would have been well-deserved because despite all this amazing Southgate 'culture' Slovakia looked like they wanted it more than we did! Southgate's England have NEVER beaten a team they shouldn't. I know football isn't played on paper, and I accept and respect the fact that you still have to do the job. But my God we were awful in this tournament. I mean, seriously bad. Barring 30 minutes against Serbia and 45 against the Dutch, we played Roy Hodgson level football. And back then we didn't have Foden, Bellingham, Rice, Mainoo. The list is endless. With the possible exception of an out of sorts Germany in 2021, Southagate's England have beaten no one of note since 2016. Literally, no one. And the moment we come up against half decent sides, we lose every single time. Croatia, Italy, France and Spain. He hasn't had to play the likes of Brazil, Germany and the Portugal we lost to under a previous 'golden generation'. And that's why Kane has so many goals, too. He's not better than Rooney. He's just bagging goals against San Marino and Slovenia. Southgate should have left after failing to beat an OAP Italian side in the final on home soil after being 1-0 up in two minutes. That was levels of failure even the FA should have been ashamed of. But I guess £5 million a year is hard to turn down. That's why I respect this decision now because the FA wanted him to stay until America '26. Let's just hope someone can come in and build on his foundations...
So true. And people also seem to forget that Slovakia almost scored a 2nd goal from the half way line after a horror square pass to Stones who wasn’t even looking in his direction. Absolute school boy stuff. And if Denmark had scored against Serbia, we would have played Germany in the round of 16 and got stuffed. Don’t let this run to the final fool you everyone! This tournament had a sprinkling of moments from Bellingham, Saka, Watkins, and Palmer but held back by a coach that always wants to play back foot, cautious, pragmatic football.
@@gaving9041 -- I can't believe I forgot that open goal 'miss'. Maybe I blocked it out because I'm a Liverpool fan. Haha. Quansah did the same thing in the QF of the FA Cup and then Bruno lobbed the keeper from near the halfway line. Still sickens me. Ha. And you're right. Germany would have pumped us. Gareth got sooooo lucky with draws in tournaments and I won't forget it. Because if Potter or Howe come in and lose to a France in the last 16 after a tough group, I bet a good portion of people will be saying "Gareth got us to finals!" Yeah. By magically avoiding all the big boys. But the second we met them it was clear we had inferior tactics and lost every time.
@@mattthompson4836 yeah Quansah did it in open play and Walker did it on a dead ball. Amateur stuff. I wanted Southgate out after fumbling the Wembley final. Italy were there for the taking. Both their center backs rode off into the sunset after that game and we barely got at them because Southgate persisted with his back 5 and only brought on Rashford and Sancho in garbage time to take penalties. No front foot, proactive coaching.
@@gaving9041 I've watched a lot of these types of media shorts today and honestly, I don't think they know us fans at all. Me and my middle-aged buddies still enjoy re-runs of Euro '96 and Italia '90. And we won naff all! I don't know why they think we 'demand' to win every World Cup and Euros. Maybe some do, but the majority of us want entertaining, attacking, kiss-the-badge, passionate, and leave-every-ounce-of-your-heart-on-the-pitch football. And with the talent we now have, winning the trophy would be a happy byproduct of playing that type of footie. It would have to be with the players we have. Of course winning Euro 2024 was the ultimate goal of any coach, but to be honest I don't think Southgate would have deserved an inevitable knighthood just because he beat one really good team out of seven (and even the Spain we played this year aren't the Spain of old!) You have to win A LOT of trophies to get away with playing ultra-pragmatic football. That's the only reason Chelsea loved 'The Special One' so much. 1-0 wins you leagues, but its definitely for the purists. The whole nation watches international tournaments, not just footie fans. All those people were bored 'sh*tless' this year. 🤣🤣 They just want drama, passion, entertainment and something to 'get behind'!
We need someone with a proven record of winning major trophies - regardless of nationality. Tuchel is the man, surely? Ten major trophy wins under his belt. No current ties to any club (therefore no compensation to pay out) and can start immediately. He commands his technical area and gets the best out of his players. Southgate was just sat there praying for miracles.
If its going to be an English coach then theres really only Potter and Howe. If England want the best coach possible then it has to be a foreign coach tbh.
@@treble20He’s still very young. Will he want to swap club management for a job where you only see the players 4/5 a year? Better suited for an older coach as it is with most national coaches who want to stay coaching but want out of the daily grind of club management.
We need someone with a proven record of winning major trophies - regardless of nationality. Tuchel is the man, surely? Ten major trophy wins under his belt. No current ties to any club (therefore no compensation to pay out) and can start immediately. He commands his technical area and gets the best out of his players. Southgate was just sat there praying for miracles.
He would be the ideal option, but the FA seems to be fixated on it being an Englishman as it fits their agenda and wanting someone who doesn’t rock the boat too much and does as he’s told.
I wouldn't want Eddie Howe at this point because I would have serious doubts about the intelligence of a man who leaves a better paid job, where he has 3 more years on his contact, who is respected by his current employers and has a great relationship with the fans, who has been given a really exciting project and a huge budget to build it, but has relatively little pressure to win things quickly, and decides to sack all that in and take the England job, where the last manager quit because he was worn down by the constant and often repugnant animosity aimed at him, because he only took England to a major final again. If Howe takes it, the first step for the FA should be giving him a CT scan.
As long as England remains arrogant when it comes to football with its endless It's Coming Home, disrespecting and underestimating opponents you will never win regardless the manager..
its coming home is a song, it isnt to disrespect other teams, this last tourney england overestimated teams and still got to the final. every time england went 1 down they shifted 2 gears up. they should have started those two gears ahead from the start
What about Lee Carsley? He just won the Euro’s with the U21 side. At least he’s got experience of international tournament football and been successful. He could bring through the best young talent. Worked for Spain. Worth looking at.
This right here shows the problem with our media. First off, he talks about there being no job with more scrutiny than England manager while being one of the people that MAKE it the most scrutinised job in football. Then after that, and this is fucking awful, he comes out with how the first question at a Poch press conference would be a question about the falklands…he’s a fucking football coach not a politician, what kind of cretin would ask a question like that?! Our media is fucking awful and they don’t even have the self awareness to realise it
Our media is a joke. Try managing Brazil or any of the big European nations all come with the same pressure and scrutiny. You could argue in this tournament England over achieved based on the games they stuttered through. Had they met Germany or France they probably would have been knocked out.
@@RU-vidchannel-po8cz No other nation is scrutinised by the media like England, it’s why when managers like Klopp joined Liverpool he specifically mentioned how bad the reputation of the English media is and how it was on them to prove that reputation wrong. Needless to say they didn’t prove that wrong.
We need someone with a proven record of winning major trophies - regardless of nationality. Tuchel is the man, surely? Ten major trophy wins under his belt. No current ties to any club (therefore no compensation to pay out) and can start immediately. He commands his technical area and gets the best out of his players. Southgate was just sat there praying for miracles.
Southgate may have not bought any success to England but he took England to the finals on two occasions which no manager in recent times has done or may not do. He endured so much criticism from the media and the fans but was always professional. I wish him all the best for the future and can't deny he did a good job as England manager.
Lee Carsley is for me the one. I’ve watched his work with the under-21s and he’s a tactically savvy coach. A very clever guy, but he’s not a big enough name for the fans even though he has a lot of experience with premier league players. And he’s a winner.
out of all managers on shortlist to become england manager i'd go for pochettino because he's very good at getting best out of youngsters, like he did out of cole palmer for ex, and think he would deffo have more chance than southgate to take this team one step further
@@melaniecoyde5452 can't have the Argentian Pochettino, that's just a kick in the teeth. Since 1986 they've been the masters of using the dark arts against us. No chance. He's an opportunist so would probably accept it aswell if offered. He can't speak English so no chance.
Gareth Southgate may have bottled the final of Euro 2020 when they should have beaten an ordinary Italy but he is good at building a club mentality in an international context. Spain were far better than everyone and deserved to win. Southgate will be appreciated when England struggle to qualify for USA '26.
Current English coaches/managers are underwhelming. Klopp is unlikely to accept. Pochettino would be interesting but not sure if he's up to the job. Ancelotti would be good but not sure if he wants the job either. Guardiola would definitely be interesting but not sure if he wants the job or how many he would deem good enough for the English team! Dilemma for English FA for sure!
Wrong about Chelsea - absolute basketcase when Potter took over. Players has to stand outside the dressing room at training because their wasn't enough room. Potter is absolutely deserving of consideration.
The incompetent fools at the fa will probably appoint lee carsley as interim , then potter or lampard which would be a DISASTER GO ALL OUT FOR KLOPP IF NOT TUCHEL , these are WINNERS
I thought outside the box and the names that came in my head for an attacking team were Jurgen Klinsmann with Alan Shearer as a team. I might not be a realist, but imagine him going back to US with these attacking players and winning the World Cup for England. Somebody catch that flying pig.
I agree, but then we’d be taking a chance again. Unless you get, Klopp-Ancelotti it’s another gamble. Although I think if the gamble goes wrong they’ll do about as much as Southgate
The last England manager to win an international trophy for england is Lee carsley n he did it on the tough side of the draw using the likes of Palmer Gordon and many of the players who will make up the England ranks for years to come. He may even have won it against the guy who just took Spain to the euros title in the final and if i remember rightly he had England playing front foot attacking football with a rock solid defense so don't be so quick to look for the big headline boss coz this Spanish guy who's just won with Spain has proved that a guy who's been part of the system who knows the players can be successful.
Great to hear some appreciation for Pochettino. One of the Spanish team's stars in the 2024 Euros, Cucurella, "put his turnaround in confidence and form down to the impact of Pochettino and his staff" (Chelsea Chronicle). Cole Palmer and Nicolas Jackson made similar comments about the positive effect of Poch on their careers.
He was just starting to turn things around and probably not given a fair crack considering he was literally given a group of players that hadn’t played together.
Watching Southgate leave is like breaking up with a misses... It's not you it's me, got each other's best interests are heart, it's just not working out, better we go our separate ways, before things get too out of hand, things were good for a while, but it was never really meant to be I know you want me to stay But it's best for the both of us if I go Sorry.... Gareth
Please, lets get this straight. England isnt a power house in football, no one is scared to play against England. They know how to beat England. It was only down to luck England survived to the final. Yes, they servived.
Look what Dela Fuente achieved and he had zero club management experience. Theres no guaranteed formula for success. Lee Carsley might be a good outside shout after taking the U21 side to the Euro’s and winning it. At least he’s got experience of winning a major international tournament.
Who should replace Gareth Southgate? Good question. I know the answer; ME. Ok, here's why - I know nothing about football, I am not interested in the religious hype surrounding tournaments, managers and players; not bothered about the money, just need enough to survive. BUT, one thing I would do is pick an England squad off the streets, the school sports fields, our yet to be heroes; and NOT ONE of them will have had anything to do with English league football. There, think I stand a chance? No, but I know something. My team would WIN
They’re talking as if Southgate was a messiah and impossible follow…totally disregarding Howe and Potter, who are both better managers than Southgate. If they want to go foreign…do everything to get Klopp. If not, Howe is the man.
Lampard , Gerrard ..... are these guys serious !!!! Delusional ...... Klopp or the like makes the most sense .... doesn't need to be English . I'd like them to win something in my lifetime.
@@dbugatto If English, has to be: Eddie Howe or Carsley. If non-English: Klopp (though doubtful he would ever take, as he wants to relax, so no idea why his name is being constantly thrown into the mix). No way Lampard, Rooney or Gerrard. They have poor man-management and inter-personal skills. No way: the Argentian Pochettino. He comes across as a bit of an opportunist. Plus, an Argentian manager would be a kick in the teeth. Since 1986 they've been the masters of the dark arts against us.
Still pedaling the myth that Slippy was successful in Scotland. If they could be bothered with actual facts (you know, the journalism part), they'd see he won one league in 3 years. That's it. Oh, don't forgot the shambles he was at Villa. I'd definitely have him as England manager!
For me, there 're 2 issues, Southgate as a 'manager' raised the barm possessed good general; management skills, but as a 'coach' , his experience at championship Middlesboro did not provide him with the requisite skill set in elite tactical international coaching. If you have a gtoup pf p[layers of low skill level, favouring a very defensive game plan is the way to gom but when you have superstars more or less in every position, the hyper risk averse tactic is never going to work against good teams. On the issue of replacementm of course we'd all like to see another Englishman take up the challenge, but currently as you say there remains a dearth of talent and it would be crinminal to squander the embarassment of riches on the field by appointing another incompetent/inexperienced head coach simply due to nationality. in 5 or 10 years time, the right English candidate may emerge and then you can sack Klopp...
@@m.p.7075 With the great attacking talent England has at its disposal, Klopp who is an attacking-minded coach, would be supremely suited for the role. Obviously, will the FA be ambitious enough and does Klopp want to do it, are questions that need to be answered.
I've been a Liverpool fan since the early 1980s. But let's be honest. Even if the FA would pay the big bucks to tempt Klopp to take on the role, he freely admits he doesn't 'win' finals. He lost 3 out of 4 European finals with Liverpool - irritatingly ALL to Spanish clubs (Sevilla in Europa League final in 2016 then the CL Final to Real Madrid twice). He also lost the Champion's League final with Dortmund. I love the guy more than my wife (joke! sort of!) -- but he doesn't win finals and would cost too much. We would score lots of goals and it would be exciting because we'd concede a few as well... but then we might end up with the same results as Gareth gave us. And yes, this is the first and last time I ever use Klopp's and Southgate's names in the same sentence. 🤣🤣
Potter will get the job. Chelsea was a joke when he got the job. He's a really smart guy. He plays forward thinking modern football. Remove the Chelsea debacle from his CV and he's a clear top candidate. Nailed on whilst he's been out of work he's been studying and improving. Big questions are would he want the job? Does he miss the club day to day football?
Please can the English media stop crediting Southgate with improved results, no previous England coach has inherited such a deep pool of talent. To put it in perspective and context England at youth level for past 148 years only won 2 youth Euros in their history. In the last 6 years England have won at youth level 2 world cups and 4 youth Euros, not only unprecedented success in England’s 156 year history, this is unprecedented success in such a short time for any nation in the world, which proved England had world best talent in several age groups. England had more champions league winners under 30 in their squad, than any other team in the euros. People need to understand the talent Southgate was working with where his 7th and 8th choice central defenders play for Milan and Bayern. Where players like Grealish, Maddison, Sancho are not selected and they are not really missed and these players would walk into many other national teams. The English media are missing the context by praising Southgate for better results. It is the foreign media who are being more accurate in their assessment of Southgate, where he is viewed as not only an utter failure, but also one of the worst coaches in international football. They feel it takes a special kind of bad coaching to take team with the most attacking options of any Squad and have them play slow, defensive low block football with them. It is a crime against football.
No more scrutiny on any manager anywhere than the England job? How about the Man Utd job? Graham Potter doesn't have the credentials to go in there and command the respect of the players? What credentials did Southgate have? Relegation with Middlesbrough.
Not surprising that English commentators would assume that top managers would choose England over the US. They swing between abject self-loathing and arrogance so quickly that if you weren't used to it it'd make you dizzy. Fortunately for both the US and England there are several good choices, and neither of us can grab them all 🤣 But when Ogden was talking about Potch he can't help taking a dig at the US saying that there's no pressure... "they get out of the group stage and it's a success". If he believes that he doesn't understand us *at all.* I want to meet England in a knockout round 😁
Seriously though, it's pretty interesting how parallel the journey is for England and the US at the moment. One difference though - our coach was even worse than yours 😂 In the end, Southgate at least was gentleman enough to resign. Berhalter is such a narcissist he had to be fired.
Poch is ridiculous choice for england with a world cup coming up and a chance england could play argentina. And even if they dont. The falklands war would keep on coming up all the time.
@@redmed10 exactly, If English, has to be: Eddie Howe or Carsley. If non-English: Klopp (though doubtful he would ever take, as he wants to relax, so no idea why his name is being constantly thrown into the mix). No way Lampard, Rooney or Gerrard. They have poor man-management and inter-personal skills. No way: the Argentian Pochettino. He comes across as a bit of an opportunist. Plus, an Argentian manager would be a kick in the teeth. Since 1986 they've been the masters of the dark arts against us.
if the next manager knows how to use tactics and plays the right players in the correct roles then things will improve, graham potter will be a good england coach
i actually think no manager would of gotten this team to beat this current spain regime in its current state, lots of excellent talent playing as individuals instead of a team. I suspect there is a lot of discontent in this group of players including the subs not being admitted to pubicly and gareths resignation is a big clue on the exact relationship between them all...good luck to whoever succeeds england they will need it.
Tuchel is a very good manager but somewhat inconsistent. Poche is really good with young players and and his football influenced the EPL...but is his career in decline?
Lol. "The US job is a no pressure job. you get out the group and you're successful." No it's not the pressure of England. But the Berhalter just got fired so there is pressure. And Every US manager get's out of the group at the World Cup. The expectation is not just get out of the group. The expectation is to beat a real team in the knockout round. Like they failed to do against the Netherlands. Like they failed to do in Brazil against Belgium. That is the expectation. I'm not gonna argue that job is bigger or more scrutiny than in England. That would be crazy. But you are clueless about what the expectation is and saying it's a "no pressure" job. On home soil there is immense pressure. With a Copa America on our soil & euros on tv the next US manager has been the biggest football topic going. England pressure? No. But you're wrong on what is expected and there is pressure.
I'm not really sure why they keep offering up mediocre English candidates and we just have to accept that Britain just don't produce well trained coaches. it's a combination of lower level, affiliated UEFA courses being offered in this country and that basic, linear, English perception, which struggles to understand all the details contained within modern football.
If the FA choose an English coach it's back to the doldrums and wilderness again for England, they'll be back to losing against teams like Iceland again.
@@YayaTourney apparently no one is good enough for world-class england players since 1966, it was just a suggestion of maybe let those who have so much to say, take the reign
Get Klopp or Pep or Carlo or Conti or Mancini or Lippi. Get a serial winner to end 60 yrs of hurt vs. Messi & Argentina in the USA World Cup final 2026. Or 62 yrs of hurt in Euro 2028 if Leo does what Leo does & defeats 3 🦁.
Didn't do to badly. A bad WC but two good Euro showings. Definately luck involved in the recent one with run of games. But it's not all luck. I'd still say he did ok and is probably statistically the best since Alf Ramsay. Also the FA need to stop interfering and let the manager manage.
They will struggle now without southgate, they will regress, especially if they go for an English manager, no offence but English managers aren't really good.
England lost to Iceland before these Euros !!!!! And with the players he stuck with... so not sure that's a good point.... Southgate good pr man but tactically inept... all the players that did well were subs... all those players we were crying out to start... 2 +2 =4 why couldn't Gareth see that. I would rather go out playing attacking football than lose in the final playing this dreary old fashioned style.
Klopp. Do not pass this opportunity with this golden generation. Any other option besides Pep is a lesser option. Pep always said he wants to lead a national team. Please please go for the best
I've been a Liverpool fan since the early 1980s mate. But let's be honest. Even if the FA would pay the big bucks to tempt Klopp to take on the role, he freely admits he doesn't 'win' finals. He lost 3 out of 4 European finals with Liverpool - irritatingly ALL to Spanish clubs (Sevilla in Europa League final in 2016 then the CL Final to Real Madrid twice). He also lost the Champion's League final with Dortmund. I love the guy more than my wife (joke! sort of!) -- but he doesn't win finals and would cost too much. We would score lots of goals and it would be exciting because we'd concede a few as well... but then we might end up with the same results as Gareth gave us. And yes, this is the first and last time I ever use Klopp's and Southgate's names in the same sentence.
@@mattthompson4836 well said bruv. If English, has to be: Eddie Howe or Carsley. If non-English: Klopp (though doubtful he would ever take, as he wants to relax, so no idea why his name is being constantly thrown into the mix). No way Lampard, Rooney or Gerrard. They have poor man-management and inter-personal skills. No way: the Argentian Pochettino. He comes across as a bit of an opportunist. Plus, an Argentian manager would be a kick in the teeth. Since 1986 they've been the masters of the dark arts against us.
