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Today we are discussing Gandalf's time before he was sent to Middle-earth as one of the five Istari. Before he was known as a Wizard. When he was known simply as Olorin.
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@starkilr101 Год назад

Shoutout to Sir Ian McKellen. There is no better Gandalf

@Realdrlipschitz Год назад

☝️☝️☝️ Crazy to think we almost got a Sean Connery Gandalf! Would seem pretty off-brandalf

@studiophoenix474 Год назад

Totally agree

@darealogplayerd.r.o.p4461 Год назад

Gandalf is the ian McKellen NO ian mc Kellen the Gandalf

@mortson978 Год назад

I surely would've liked to have seen Christopher Lee play gandalf. It was the role he wanted, and he even had Tolkien's blessing. Would've been nice to have him play a hero for once.

@6666Imperator Год назад

the 2 blue wizards I have to say really fascinate me. I would love to have an original story about them and the mostly unexplored East.

@Viktorvelat95 Год назад

Yes, exactly! Since the Far East of the middle earth is vastly unexplored and unexplained besides the fact that the people of Rhûn lived there as well as other nations, there’s so much potential to create a story about the blue wizards who travelled there and inspired some of the local people to resist the influence of Sauron and Morgoth worshippers… I like the flashback scene of the non canon LOTR game Shadow of war where the twin sisters Riya and Yukka gradually become the Nazgûl sisters after killing their father, an emperor of the kingdom of Shen;

@andrewverrett568 Год назад

Him being manwe would be absolutely insane. And almost certainly wasn't the case. Would have been cool but i feel like manwe couldn't understand evil in the way gandolf shows he can

@anamkhan2603 Год назад

Still waiting for an old wizard to knock on my door and invite me for an adventure.

@carsonsmith8184 5 месяцев назад

😮😮 I actually kind of like the “Gandalf as Manwe” theory. It sort of fits and you really don’t have to change anything from the LOTR to make it fit. You would need more from The Silmarillion or Unfinished Tails to really make it legit but it’s still definitely a cool theory to ponder over.

@mitchellsmith4690 Год назад

Prior to being Gandalf, he attended VSU (Valinor State University) Majoring in Political Seance and Cannabis Studies...

@futuresonex Год назад

I like the idea of Gandalf being Manwe in disguise, but I don't think there is any chance of it being true. I just don't see Manwe having any problem at all with defeating either the balrog or even Sauron himself, especially Sauron without the One Ring. Gandalf was a Maiar, not the King of the Valar.

@andrewfanner2245 Год назад

I did, a long time ago, read a fanfic picturing Gandalf arriving back in Aman after the end of Lord of The Rings to discover that there is no pipeweed to ne had in the Undyiing Lands. The tale ended in an argumenmt between Olorin, Yavanna, Aule and Manwe, best described as a "full and frank excahntge of views". Aule has been groweing the stuff in secret and Yavanna found out...

@johnboylan3832 Год назад

Fanfic is disrespectful to the author.

@Mentallect Год назад

Gandalf was likely the 12th wisest being in the world.

@DenizenoftheAges Год назад

I wish we had someone officially licensed and acknowledged as being well-written to write further stories of Olorim, as well as the continued ages and the last battle.

@TonyPuleo1 Год назад

Excellent Video…I watched a couple of times to get all the history straight 🤙🏽

@stefandebeer9375 Год назад

Wasn't it said in the Nature of ME that some of the Maiar helped guard the elves during their sundering in the Years of the Trees and that Olorin was one of them? Or did I misread the texts?

@LordOfTheLore123 Год назад

So did Gandalf always have his fireworks or no?

@herbthompson8937 Год назад

Haha

@anthonyhanks1807 Год назад

He got them during his travels through the south farthing of the shire

@robertpetre9378 Год назад

He got them from a party shop in the Shire in the old days before the first age of man

@mieljte99 Год назад

the makers of the rings of power probably know this…

@comesahorseman Год назад

Oh, I think so.

@YiannissB. Год назад

my girlfriend just gifted me a drawing of hers of Olórin, and then this video turns up! thanks mate. I would love if Tolkien ever gave us a deeper insight into Olórin and Curúmo

@CleversonSantos Год назад

The human mind is simply wonderful, we create a theory about an alredy existing theory which is about a fantasy!!! Woah!!!

@stephenhill6003 Год назад

"...simply a Maiar..." 🙂

@macgibbon Год назад

Since Tolkien was all about other people expanding his world, I would expect "I do not think this so" pretty much means that as far as he's concerned it's not true, but if you want to go down that road, go right ahead,

@ehc7775 Год назад

I really like this questions mate. It is like you are our minds.

@Kleshumara Год назад

Interesting! This is the first I hear of the possibility that Gandalf was actually Manwe, but like you, I very much doubt that’s what Tolkien meant to be true.

@comesahorseman Год назад

Something I didn't know, thank you! 👍

@Jayjay-qe6um Год назад

In early manuscripts of The Hobbit, the name Bladorthin was used by Tolkien for the character who later would be named Gandalf. The name Gandalf was instead used for the character known as Thorin in the published works.

@6666Imperator Год назад

he switched a lot of things between his early works and the finalized versions. But it is interesting to go through these changes. I also love how Tolkien always made it seem that he is not the inventor but just the emissary who brings the story to the audience. That really imprinted itself into how I see stories and the characters in them.

@madmartigan8119 Год назад

I like the disguise idea I think it's a twist that works if written right

@rickjohnson3215 Год назад

I like the idea that Gandalf was Mandela sp? in disguise but the text argues against it. Take as one example, Gwahiers comment to Gandalf when he was rescued from the tower that he has there to bear messages not burdens. I doubt that the king of the eagles would have responded to his lord in that manner. Please excuse my horrible spelling.

@Deceiver85 Год назад

Gandalf was a maia, and that's that.

@nigeldepledge3790 Год назад

If Gandalf were indeed Manwë in disguise, it wouldn't have taken him three days to kill one Balrog!

@annaroselarsen4218 Год назад

RU-vid is not sending me notifications lately but I'm glad that I got this one !

@harryallen1175 Год назад

Dear broken sword. What would happen to middle earth if the one ring was never found. Say it got wash out to sea as suspected. How do you think the story would have played out?

@anneselby2293 Год назад

I think he was sent as himself, I don't think he was the Elder King Manwe masquerading as an Istari.

@CG-le5oj Год назад

Random question but can we have something about the druedain or Wildmen that help Rohan find path to Gondor?

@dennisdavis5842 Год назад

In rise to war mobile game these are called woses , and I love them

@ismata3274 Год назад

Would that make saruman secretly maker of dwarves, radagast yavanna and blue ones the twin lords of mind? 🤔 Nah, earth vala couldn't stop himself from smiting Sauron down.

@sweeperboy Год назад

Manwe-as-Gandalf is a theory that doesn't work when you think of the story. Yes, it would explain Gandalf's close affinity with the Great Eagles, but honestly speaking if Manwe Himself went to Middle Earth, he could have just marched up to Dol Guldur or Barad-dur, swatted away the Nazgul like bugs, put a chain around Sauron's neck and just dragged him back to Valinor. The most boring story ever. And if you use the argument that he bound himself by the same limitations as the Maiar who became Istari, why would he effectively leave the HQ for 2,000 years to do this? And if he was Gandalf, why was another Istari chosen to be the initial Head of the Order? No, Olorin became Gandalf, and that is the only explanation that satisfies scrutiny.

@andrewpaige1194 Год назад

I don’t think he could have been manwe, as we know the other wizards knew him as olorin, back in the west. Or at least saurumon did, and I think radagast, as well.

@othala7540 Год назад

He was a leaf or a pipe for sure

@Huskytabby Год назад

What-if video idea for you to do: What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?

@frogmand.142 Год назад

Gandalf being Manwe in disguise is is kind of childish and entirely unnecessary.

@morgoth173 Год назад

Video 185

@tiffanyhamilton2006 Год назад

Mithrandir

@lichen24moss Год назад

I kind of like the idea that Manwe turned to Gandalf. But for some reason, he lost much of his power and memories. So he actually thought he was a Mayar named Olorin all through out the story. And Manwe had kept the transformation secret to almost everyone.

@fudgeologyfive Год назад

Wouldn't the other Valar be alarmed if Manwe suddenly disappeared?

@lichen24moss Год назад

@@fudgeologyfive Yup. But I wonder how far the news would spread or if the Valar would be willing to let that info leak. Travel between Valinor and Middle Earth is already limited to the Elves and Ishtari. The Valar's control over their lands could give them the power to hide it even from its residents. If Manwe were to disappear, it could also prompt the Valar to isolate Valinor even more to make up for their more weakened position. If ever the Valar did guess Manwe's plan, keeping the secret may also have been a good way to avoid him from getting targeted or sniped.

@Mayan_88694 Год назад

That’s not true, Gandalf is a Maiar, not a valar, what you said is not even close to factual, and the lore itself disproves you, olorin is Gandalf.

@lichen24moss Год назад

@@Mayan_88694 - Did you watch the video? The video was discussing an existing theory based on some written notes by Tokein that Manwe was pretending to be Olorin. And I was giving my feedback on that theory as asked in the video. Be sure to watch the video before responding.

@rzmonk76 Год назад

Ya he was a something like an angel. A demigod. The author was influenced by WWII. So who really knows. Perhaps he was a scientist, engineer or politician.

@matthewlook3597 Год назад

"You know, I'm something of an angel myself" -Norman Osborne -Gandalf

@herbthompson8937 Год назад

WW1

@danielmcdivitt3467 Год назад

Ian McKellen

@nathaniellong4281 Год назад

Maybe Manwe wanted to see how long he could be gone from Aman without anyone noticing.

@montymont4192 Год назад

i see why y’all made this video given the unpredictability of amazon u gotta let the people know the written lore

@palantir135 Год назад

No, Olorin wasn’t Manwe.

@ziva9266 Год назад

Apparently he was a meteor 🙄

@RaouBZH360 Год назад

I shouldn't have laughed 😅

@SaschaBiermanns Год назад

I think that Gandalf the Grey was a Maiar, while Gandalf the White was Manwë in person, like it is pointed out in the Unfinished Tales.

@herbthompson8937 Год назад

??? Never heard that, do tell

@SaschaBiermanns Год назад

@@herbthompson8937 From the Unfinished Tales, Part Four, II: The Istari: "Who was 'Gandalf'? It is said that in later days ... it was believed by many of the 'Faithful' of that time that 'Gandalf' was the last appearance of Manwë himself, before his final withdrawal to the watchtower of Taniquetil."

@herbthompson8937 Год назад

@@SaschaBiermanns gtfo that's crazy. I'm not gonna subscribe to that though. Couldn't Manwe just wreck Sauron himself?? Would he have to forsake his powers as well to be Gandalf?

@SaschaBiermanns Год назад

@@herbthompson8937 Well, we will never know if Manwë (as Gandalf the White) would have been strong enough to defeat Sauron alone. Possibly yes, if he had donned the Ring and declared himself his master, but even Manwë would have been corrupted because of his desires and wishes. Alone Tom Bombadil, who had no desires, was immune from the ring. But as Gandalf the White, without the Ring, riding his horse in battle, there he was only part of the distraction that enabled the three Hobbits (not forgetting Gollum) to destroy the Ring, albeit possibly with an intervention by Ilúvatar. For no one (except Tom B.) who could perform the ring was able to destroy it. Alone Gollum's dance of joy outwitted the power of the ring.

@matthewlook3597 Год назад

Gandalf being Manwe has to be the dumbest theory I've ever heard. Lol But hearing you describe Gandalf coming to middle earth before he was officially sent in the third age is interesting. It certainly makes everyone's bitching about the unidentified wizard in Rings of Power even more ridiculous, ESPECIALLY if he turns out to be Gandalf. (Which I still doubt). It seems the show creators actually do have a vast understanding of the lore, since even you and other lotr channels said a maiar showing up "BrEaKs ThE lOrE". 🤣