The Black and Tans as a subject still arouses controversy in Ireland. The Black and Tans were mostly former soldiers brought into Ireland by the government in London after 1920 to assist the Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC) in their work.
they are called black in tans because they ran out of the cloths so they gave them black ones and I know because my grandads house was a IRA house because my great great uncle was surrounded by them and there was a machine pinned at the door and he ran out and douged the bullets and got away
The tans were doing in Ireland what Churchill criticised the Germans for doing in Belgium, i.e., burning down houses and shooting the occupants indiscriminately in an attempt to terrorise the population into submission. My grandmother experienced this behaviour.
Myles Lawless- God love her! My Nan experienced it too and she told me all about it! They were psychopaths with hearts full of violent hatred and were not fit to walk the streets but they were also the catalyst that brought about the beginning of the end of British imperialism so good came out of great evil in the end!
Tans and Auxiliaries were the brainchild of Churchill .Churchill ,the arch imperialist, thus helped drive many Irish towards the Republicans and supporting independence. He probably wasn't the greatest of tacticians ,from his support of the ill fated Dardanelles campaign in WWI to wanting to invade Norway after it fell to the Germans in WWII.
@@davidulanovsky8943 dude nazi is a fake word they were nationalist my nanna was polish/Lithuanian and was born in mindem labour camp, she thanked the germans while saying the russians raped and pillaged and not signing the geneva convention same as the yanks at the end, then britain sold poland back to russia. Germany started the war for the unfair treaty of versailies and belgium didn't get nothing in ww1 except germany not pushing into france trying to walk through belgium.
Exactly what I've been thinking. While the world cheered Britan for fighting for the free wolrd and against oppression they murdered, raped, separated, scarred, beaten and countless other examples of what they fought against
They were generally out of work ex-soldiers who could not join up without an 'honourable discharge'signed by their commanding officer. You will also find that a lot of the tans were actually Irishmen.
Shantyman47 Yea , you know what , I'm wrong it's ok for them to come into the county , terrorize the people , burn cities and imprison people without crime or trial
The IRA were trying to get the English out of their home country. How else do you propose to get a militant, (terrorist) force out of your country, without spilling blood? The English forces were and continue to be terrorists, just like the US army. They are on par with ISIS.
Shantyman47 You're thinking of the PIRA/Provos, RIRA/Real, and CIRA/Continuity. They came about a few decades after the Blacks and Tans. The B&T fought the original IRA, which fought to make a new Irish country.
That scene from the movie 'the Wind that Blows the Barley' happened to my mother's family. Her father had just died of pneumonia leaving his wife to raise her five daughters. Mum was three and her mother held a baby. The older girls were all under 18. The black and tans were searching for IRA and they pulled all the furniture out of every house in the street and dumped it in the front garden. They just laughed at my ma's distraught family. Despite this outrageous indignatey my mother never held resentment and would never let us be prejudiced to other people regardless of their ethnicity.
Being a Brit, I married a young girl from Cork many years ago and she is still my Wife to this day. We went over many times over to Ireland to visit, and one time we were over there, my Brother-in-Laws wife who's name was Peggy, introduced me to her very old Mother. She was a lovely lady and I have a lovely conversation with her. As I left I gave Peggy's Mother a kiss on the cheek, and Peggy turned to her Mum and said, "How about that Mam, you've been kissed by a Black and Tan!!!" We all found that hilarious!!!......Just a silly little story I like to share :)
My father, in 1918 was just 16-years old. He was fighting the Black and Tans and at that tender age, was on the run with a price on his head. This was Paddy McLaughlin's first of four conflicts. He went on to fight in the Irish War of Independence, the Spanish Civil War and World War Two. A very brave man indeed.
My Great Uncle Richard was murdered by the rebels in April 1921..he was a p/t Army medic escorting wounded army and civilians toward the Hospital near Kilkenny.when ambushed...He now lies in the churchyard at Thimbleby Lincolnshire next to his IRISH father who emigrated here to farm in the early 1900s.......
If he had respected his IRISH father he wouldn't have aided the foreign oppressors of the IRISH people. Unless his father was another traitor, that is.
The Black and Tans were not regular army or regular soldiers. The British troops despised them almost as much as the Irish public did and I can recall as a child hearing stories from those who as young men served in the army that on more than one occasion regular troops "Accidentally" turned their guns on the B & T's. I also had feedback from one of my Grandfathers who was an Irish ex serviceman at the time.
My grandfather was a Catholic RIC Inspector . He resigned as did thousands of other police in protest at the behaviour of this force . He regarded them as the filth of Britain and rightly so. They besmirched the reputation of Britain forever in Ireland and ensured the resolution of the people to fight on for independence.
My great-grandmother Margaret was from Cork and was a little girl when the Black and Tans burned the town. I'll never forget the stories she told me about them. Sad stuff, just another chapter in the long saga of England's oppression of the Irish
Firstly the Black and Tans were a British organisation not an 'English' one, and there were more Irishmen and Scotsmen in their ranks than English. Yes that's right. Irishmen in majority some of them had never left Ireland - I know this is a mad idea to you but 46% of he population was actually against becoming a republic. If you want to call up a part of our shared history and if you want to hate us across here, if you want to take a slanted one sided view of a clearly muddied portion of history rather than an objective one and complain about decisions and actions. Then fine, and good then that is your right. But damn well get the facts right before you do so. For you do nothing but wreck your own argument. It was the nasty 'English army' was it. I mean come on. We both know, that awful wrongs were committed on both sides. & people died. Which is always sad, whether the sufferers British or Irish. Child or man, civilian or enlisted man, it's always sad. But we could also in this centenary year remember that more Irishmen and Brits, more unionist and nationalists have fallen BESIDE one another fighting everything from Nazism to moderns day engagements in Mali together in the last 100 years than did ever die fighting against one another in the preceding 1000. Good day.
***** There were records kept, for pay, and included in that because of the risk of duplicate names, was birth year and where they were signed up- often a city or town in Ireland.
As a Brit with Irish heritage I go back and forth over how I feel about the past of both countries but the Black and Tans were arseholes to put it lightly
As someone with proud Irish heritage, I feel ashamed that my forebears treated the Anglia / Protestants in such a manner that prompted them to defend and retaliate in such a manner. Maybe if we hadn't have butchered them first?
francis888ful My great grandfather, a Glasgow catholic, joined the Black and Tans after fighting in WW1 and coming coming to nothing but poverty. He wasn’t proud of what he did but it beat starving. Many ex soldiers were in the same boat. I strongly doubt the government would have given convicted criminals guns and ten Bob a day when they have a large pool of jobless ex-servicemen to recruit from.
Rubbish. Just absolute ill-informed rubbish. People like you just continually perpetuate myths and nonsense about the Black and Tans. Read Robert Kee's 'Ourselves Alone' before you spout off again, and yes, I do know what Sein Fein means!!
They were not recruited from jails.There was no need when so many ex ww1 soldiers needed work, plus the background of being policeman is a clean record you fool.
I'm a loyalist from the north but I have to say, it is impossible to not condemn this this is shocking and horrific, and any loyalist who thinks that the black and tans were in the right is a psychopath
@Gggg ohhhh how clever mirroring your short comings to others. But do understand being able to string a few words together sets you on a higher plain then the majority of Irish-so bravo, you celtic einstein! But realise your not among your own and sound stupid to those who have a IQ above 20,so maybe best to FO fool
Women and children. Like the coward he was. It's ok boys. There's 100 million Irish in America...in a fair fight we smoked their ass. Big up the race from a McCloskey born in the u.s. englands our bitch...I used to beat up the English exchange student in school..he talked shit when he heard my name. Said I was trash..so I beat the shit out of him until i got expelled.
I was aware that the Irish people hated the “Black and Tan’s “ but I was unaware that they had been deployed in the south of Ireland. Since I was not taught about modern history at school and the last history lesson I had brought me up to the time of the war of the roses I hope that my ignorance may be forgiven.Prior to watching this video, my only knowledge about the “Black and Tans” apart from overheard conversation was in reference to the mixed drink. I now intend to learn more about this shameful situation.
@@prd4959 no as I said my history lessons ended with the war of the roses and the beginning of the Tudor dynasty. I dropped history and did science and language instead.
@@andrewcoates6641 don't worry about it, everyone learns more after school, 20 years time, 1000s of books later, you'll still feel like there's a whole lot to learn. We all do! 🙂
The song is atually about an Irish family being cruel to another Irish family in Dublin in the 1930's and nothing actually to do with the Black and Tans who were disbanded in 1922 anyway, so it's and not about "The English" or "The British" at all. The English in the song (the loving English feet) is the name of family headed by Christine English (That was her name not her nationality) also know as "Granny English" who was the grandmother of the song writer Dominic Behan. Granny English was a notorious slum landlady who own properties in Rusell Street Dublin where the Behan family lived and she was hated by Dominic for the disgraceful way she treated his mother and father (his father being Stephen a well known ex IRA man who fought during the WOI who was now forced to live in squalor and poverty) and is Dominic having a sarcastic sideswipe at his grandmother. As simple as that. If you have ever read his more famous brother Bendan Behan's book "The Borstal Boy", the book is based on the time Brendan spent with Granny English and her cronies and the reason for Brendan dying at a very young age as a raging alcoholic. All very sad really that people completely misunderstand the song and it's real meaning.
When the British are fighting a real war the pedo supplies to Rome decide to play hero hahaha and wonder why the men fight why the prisoners manage fools ie the real history but heho poor me as per hahaha what a pathetic people do they not know there own history or is there cowardice,weaknesses and stupidity always someone else's fault?
The Dublin newspaper boys gave them the name because of the mixed uniforms yes - but also because there was a well known pack of hunting hounds in Ireland at the time with these 2 colours called "the Black and Tans".
If you care to know more about Ireland during those awful times, I suggest you watch "The Wind that Shakes the Barley. An outstanding film based on reality. My grandfather was taken from his bed at 3am by a black and tan squad, Put up against the wall of his house to be shot (a case of mis taken identity), My quick thinking grandmother rushed back inside , found a letter with his name and address on it, to prove his identity. The commander of the hit squad let him live. He received numerous blows from rifle butts that effected his health for the rest of his life. The British establishment were prepared to kill innocent men ,women and children to maintain their vile and corrupt empire. They looked upon the Irish people the way the Nazis regarded the Jews, Polish and eastern Europeans. To them we were untermensch. Now the sins of the father's ,have come back to haunt them! The more enlightened of the present generation are very aware of the sickening behavior of their ancestors. I wish them no ill! They are not responsible .
And what does it mean now that the Sheeple have rolled over and allowed the government to take away the freedoms bought with the lives of true patriots?
That's how my family ended up in America because of thoughts black and tans... we got chased out. I don't carry the name so I think it's safe for me to say. They need to just leave! Never come back!
My mother was three when her father died of pneumonia. She had three older sisters and a baby sister. Three months after the funeral in Turlough, County Mayo, the village was terroried by these thugs. All their belongings were dragged from the farm house and the bastards laughed at the torment they caused this distraught family of girls. They did the same to mum's Jehovah Witness neighbours but left the Church of Ireland neighbours alone. My mum raised eight good citizens in Australia. Her sisters raised good citizens in England and America. None of us were taught to hate the English. My father used to say that even the normal British soldier hated the Black and Tans because they were recruited from the prisons of England and Scotland and paid far more than the British soldier whom dad regarded as much fairer.
My mother told me that they were thugs taken out of prisons in Britain and sent to Ireland. They weren't proper soldiers, they were the very worst of criminals and acted accordingly in Ireland. I'm so sorry for what happened to your mother's family, there was no mercy shown. What superior people they were, not to have reared any of the family with hatred. Such was the character of your people!!
My great-great-great grandfather took part in the 1916 rising, but managed to go into hiding when the British Empire captured the revolutionaries. He hid out in Kildare, until he was found by the Black and Tans, and executed.
@@rognvaldtait7651 what an absolute load of bollocks show the facts if you have any but looking at your name your just another brit that thinks we are all the same, well my grandad fought for this country against tyranny from the brits and went on to do the same against Hitler so where is your logic now brit
@@irishterminator. such hate. You should have a wee lie down. Sinn fein have sold Ireland out, thst was always the plan. You got played and fed a load of nonsense. At least your grandad had sense.
@@edcarson3113 who pissed in your cornflakes and what is a "wee lie down" ? I'm Irish not Scottish and I don't like lies about my country and our history. Just like your pathetic lie about Sinn Féin so get your facts right
@@irishterminator. you really don’t have a clue do you Arnold O’Swarzenegger? Just another brainwashed Shinnerbot who has listened to far too many Wolfe Tone LPs. Of course old Wolfe was a Presbyterian. Did you know that Arnie?
3 minutes, 48 seconds into this video: I notice so far, when the IRA kill enemy units, it's described as "murder", but when the black and tans directly target civilians, it's called "killed". A solider, killing another enemy unit in war, is not murder, it's an honorable act of war. A soldier intentionally killing a civilian, is murder. Also, I notice how this video, fails to mention loyalist terrorism, like the formation of the Ulster Volunteers, to overthrow democracy, in the case of home rule.
@Brendan Gavaghan""Finnia Geal" = home rule party = royalists"?... ...That's harsh. You know that the alternative to not excepting the treaty would have been... (almost definitely, based on Ulster Unionists mentality and the Black and Tans, and I'm not exaggerating or typing this lightly, this is after plenty of prayerful reflection) ...ethnic cleansing, via genocide, right? That's like blaming a rape victim for not putting up a fight, because she knew what the rapist kept doing to harm her putting up any resistance.
@Brendan Gavaghan 2: Yes, there was ethnic cleansing, but I'm talking about eutnic cleansing bvia genocide. That's why going after FG is harsh, that's why it's like blaming a rape victim for not fighting back. FG is the slave that just put upwith his / her master's evil, because he / she knew it would only get worse otherwise. If you are a parent, who loves your children, you would understand that.
@Brendan Gavaghan 3: I didn't make a rape joke, I made an analogy, between people that blame rape victims for not fighting back and people who blame FG for accepting the treaty.
Interesting to see this, came after Joe Cooleys reel, although not Irish as such I was brought up in Dublin in the 1950s, when I started work in practice near Bristol in 1974 an old patient that I had to visit called Pilkington IIRC, told me he had served in the Black and Tans , I had to bite my tongue and not tell him how they were so despised. Long time dead now, cheers John.
my grandad and his childhood friend returned from the great war lucky enough to have survived it .His friend then went on to join the black and tans,my grandfather never spoke to him again.
Why? Is it because he just never kept in touch, his friend got killed over in ireland, or your grandfather was pro Irish republic and couldn't believe his friend would show aggression towards Irishmen?
Funnily enough one of my great uncles took the kings shilling and joined the black and tans ...its still spoken with great distain still . I don't think they ever Forgave him.
Forgive me if I’m wrong. But the Croke Park massacre if I’m not mistaken was not done by Black and Tans, who were present but did not fire, but by RIC?
Here’s actually a story, so my Great Grandfather once escaped The Black and Tans when he was 20. He was in church and he had his hands on documents for the IRA, but during mass the Black and Tans burst in looking for my Great Grandfather and the documents. The thing was they had no picture of him so they just had to find him and get the documents and obviously wanted to kill him. The Priest said to everyone in the church “On your knees my dear people, for the devil is in the church” and told them that they could search people outside but in the church. My great grandfather knowing that he was in great danger, hid the documents under the church chairs and went outside. But as he went outside, HE RAN AS FAST HE COULD, hiding behind the grave stones and running in zig zags so they couldn’t shot him with there guns. Luckily he escaped
I'm English a terribly ashamed of what the British Government did in Ireland. The Black and Tans were mercenaries, mostly the dregs of the army and the rubbish officers. many of them were Scots who hate the Irish. Their cowardly violence did much to unite the Irish against the Brits.
Let's not go all PC on this . You are not responsible for this .Let's mend fences and not argue old wars . They were reprehensible certainly. No doubt about that. Happy Christmas from Ireland !
@OceanBlue Great to see you are on day release. Mental health facilities are so much more enlightened these days ..but don't forget to take the meds or the jacket with the long sleeves will be produced again and you didn't like it the last time !
streetmuggedbypolice Your last sentence is bordering on the incomprehensible,something that ill educated British often exhibit. Collins achieved about as much as was possible. The South was as well off without Northern Unionists. To have taken on a 32 county Ireland at the time would have invariably led to a worse civil war than what pertained. Unfortunately the Ulster statelet wanted an agricultural hinterland and some size so many Nationalist majority areas such as Fermanagh,Tyrone ,parts of Derry and Armagh were retained and so the conflict re-erupted again decades later and the tactical genius British had to deal with it all over again.
These so called Police Auxiliaries were recruited because regular Army and RIC frequently refused to carry out the acts they knew to be illegal. The British government resorted to hiring a mixture of brutal ex-soldiers and hardline English nationalists. I have also "heard" many criminals were among them. Unsurprisingly former Black and Tans later joined the British Union of Fascist. One amusing story has a former "Black and Tan" and a former IRA man now a "Blue Shirt" fighting for the fascists in Spain as part of the same English speaking company. In the later Troubles in Northern Ireland the British government simply armed, funded and directed Protestant terrorist groups. There being a great deal of overlapping membership of the RUC, UDA, British Army and UVF.
Not too many years ago I sat in a pub only a few miles from where the Clonfin ambush occured. In our company was the widow of my uncle, an English girl (then in her 60s). Her uncle was also with us, from Durham. He was 85 at that time. So chatting away in the pub as you do, someone asked him if he had ever been to Ireland before. "Aye", he said, "back in 1920. Ah were with auxilliaries then." He drank his stout as the table of 20 or more fell silent. Some wounds were still sore.
James was opposed in Ireland by the mostly Protestant "Williamites", who were concentrated in the north of the country. William landed a multi-national force in Ireland, composed of English, Scottish, Dutch, Danish and other troops, to put down Jacobite resistance. James left Ireland after a reverse at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690 and the Irish Jacobites were finally defeated after the Battle of Aughrim in 1691.
Das ist doch ganz einfach nur hetzerischer bullshit. Die Sache ist sehr lange her. Und das führt immer noch dazu, daß die Menschen durch hohe Mauern getrennt werden müßen, damit sie sich nicht gegenseitig umbringen.
As a matter of historical record, the Tans were not the same unit as the Auxiliaries. Just saying. It was they who burned cork, not the Tans (the text in the video seems to conflate the two.
Pay attention to who gives you your history lessons, everyone. I'd love to read an Irish history book written by an Englishman, or an English history book written by an Irishman, or an American history book written by a Native American.
2:54 footage of ruined buildings is nothing to do with Black and Tans. This footage is of the aftermath of the 1916 rising in Dublin before Black and Tans arrived. This damage was caused by shelling of the city by the gunboat Helga. You can see the "DBC" logo of the Dublin Bread Company on Sackville St (Now O'Connell.St).
The IRA hated British officers like Percival ( who went on to surrender Singapore) who personally bayonetted prisoners but Bernard Law Montgomery as regarded differently. Monty refused to let his soldiers stoop to the tactics of the Black and Tans and wrote manuals of instructions that set out how the Army was to conduct operations. At the end of hostilities the IRA said he acted ' with correctness' despite his use of harsh measures early in the campaign.
My father became a fugitive because he refused to join and fled to America but was eventually pardoned in an amnesty...as a Scot he wasn't exactly enamored of England's attitude to the other peoples of Britain. He eventually came to Australia to get away from them because of the men he met in France during the war. He survived the whole 4 years.
The English people's attitude to folk not of Britain (ie the Irish, the Indian, the African) was far worse than their attitude to their fellow Brits. History tells us the Scots/Welsh joined in with invading and colonising Ireland whilst Irish prisoners were spirited across the sea to Wales during the War of Independence.
My Grandfather told me the “Tans” would shoot smallholders livestock .Ps my Great Grandmother was a Crumlin Road Belfast Presbyterian fluent in Gaelic/Irish.
The first time I came to know the Black and Tans was in the John Ford directed movie 'The Informer' which starred Victor McLaughlin. Wonderful film well worth seeing.
@T REX Not so sure that I agree with that version of history, regardless the British Empire started to ease up in the has been in decline since before 1900 then becoming irrelevant since the 1940s. A little reading for your enjoyment en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism Please do provide the source for your Marxist version of history.
@@gaelicamericancraic1816 I agree, but I think putting all of that on Marx is a bit misguided. If you actually read Marx or look into the history surrounding early 20th century Marxists, you will probably agree with me that the actual problem was the hijacking of Marxism by Lenin and his thuggish bolsheviks, and its transformation from a struggle for freedom for all working people into a tool for suppression and control. Look up Rosa Luxemburg and her rendition of Marxism (which was the most mainstream version both in Russia and the rest of Europe before Lenin's military coup in 1917). After that, tyrants across the world used Lenin's model to take control of popular movements and turn them into means to seize State power, as well as a few well meaning people who saw the fact that Lenin was the first person to make a country socialist and hence thought it was the only way to do so.
@@johnmccrae2932 I was a Collectivist when I in my youth. I have read Marx and many others extensively. The Collectivist ideologies while all appealing in theory fail miserably when executed in reality. It has not worked in any form since the enlightenment. The problem is two-fold one some humans are greedy or power hungry and will harm others in the process the second major flaw is that humans are beasts of burden and only flourish when we have some purpose in life, this has to be personal, and local and not assigned by a unknown central authority, other wise most tend to do as little as possible until we all starve. Are you Antifa if so what constitutes a Fascist?
@@mzsty8761 If you eat seeds they'll grow in your stomach. If you be bold you'll get coal from santa.. Etc. These are lies told to control/protect kids. Whoever told him that told it to him to scare him. Why are you so quick judge intention? " 'they' make it sound as bad as they can" Show me where your seeing people exaggerating stories?
Its easy to understand why DeValera was not so supportive of Churchill in WW2 when you consider Churchill's war criminal role in sending in the black and tans to Ireland over 40 years earlier.
Dev was American you tool, how could he be a traitor? He is not even Irish. Only reason he wasn't executed after 1916 was because it would cause international incident between US and UK.
Devalera was an American, he had no obligation to this country. He didn't want just the South back, he wanted it all and Collins signed the agreement for the south to be giving back and the 6 counties to stay in UK. Devalera made such a fuss about it the civil war broke out.
Mark Murphy Or that he just agreed with the nazis. Don't try and hide that fact that he was a coward and respected the nazis. He let A U-boat refuel and after the death of hitler he went over to his gave. This is all after the nazis blew up over 300 Irish homes and killed many. Ireland would of be in a worse state of affairs if Germany won the war as the plans show what he had planned for Ireland. Disgusting how you aren't addressing what he done or rather didn't do and blocking brave Irish from returning home when weather you like it or not they were defending their home a lot more that coward IRA. Disregard your history to suit you like most Irish sure.
I never said I agreed with DeValera - I don't. Ireland should have played its part with the allies in WW2 and its a source of shame to me why we did not. My comment was trying to think it from DeValera's point of view.
What were they thinking really, they got a bunch of men who had been to the most brutal war in history, and actually wanted more and gave them rifles and sent them off to ireland
Please understand this was British and included Scots not just English. In fact N.I is an example just how Scottish oppression deeply penetrated Ireland but is somehow hidden ...
Being of Moari descent from New Zealand, I can understand how the British manipulated & terrorized the local native population ie, (Maori) unfortunately my great grandfather was half English & Moari & joined the local malisha, set up by the British, in that respect he went all out in capturing local natives villages with a scorched earth policy, & execution via musket, to the back of the head..both women & children were made to dig their own Graves then shot them....I remember reading his memoirs, where he commented on his past deeds, stating this was necessary force for the time which New Zealand was a young Colonial Colony, & unfortunately the local populace wasn't included in the plan of Empire Building, sadly. The year was 1886,
Some years ago my wife and I stayed in Ennistymon, County Clare in a rented cottage down at the bottom, southern end of the High Street - I won't be more precise out of respect for the owners. We'd not been there more than a couple of days before Jill became convinced that the place was haunted, something to do with the death of a child. Now Ennistymon had suffered terribly in the famine years - indeed, the notorious workhouse had stood not too far down the road and naturally I thought that it might be related to that. Now I couldn't feel anything in the house itself, but the town generally had an overwhelming air of despair about it - all the heart and guts knocked out of it long, long ago. Later I learned that as the Black and Tans were being withdrawn from the area they murdered a group of young children, sitting on the churchyard wall, who jeered at them. I'll say no more than that - draw whatever conclusions you may wish. The past has very long fingers
I believe it..I went thru Ennistymon three years ago, mainly to get to The Burren, but along the way the old, abandoned “hunger houses” were pointed out to me…place had a very sad vibe about it..The Black and Tans were thugs, misfits, plain and simple. Ireland has always had a strong connection to its pre-Christian roots, and that area of Co.Clare absolutely reverberates with this feeling, as well as West Cork….
Complete rubbish and the sort of propaganda used by the IRA to get the people onside. In fact many atrocities were carried out by the IRA who did it just to blame the British forces or the RIC
I was in Kilmichael in 1982, and visited the ambush site. There was a pub in Kilmichael with some very old chaps there. My two friends and I talked to them, and found out that they were young boys at the time of the ambush. It was hard to understand them as their brogue was so thick that we had to ask a number of questions in different ways to finally understand. After the ambush, the Auxies came back and made reprisals on the town and farms.
My great gandparents have bullet holes in their house in Glenbeigh, Kerry from where the black and tans shot through their window to hit an IRA member they were protecting.
Alexander McEwen yes Schindler should have remained indifferent and Sojourner Truth should have remained passive ... Resistance to psychopathic behavior takes many forms... Psychopathic? Yep, the "Union Jack" is not known as the "Butchers Apron" for nothing......
***** Are You the fellow seemingly proud that his family house is still unrepaired? I was rather amazed that broken windows would remain unrepaired for 100 years. Might be some kind of a record, that.
My grandmother died about 20 years ago. She told me as an 8 year old girl leaving the school building in Leixlip one day, the Black and Tans appeared and opened fire over the heads of young kids for no other reason but to terrorise them. During the troubles whenever the IRA killed Brit soldiers she always remarked these are people who have long memories.
I am English and proud to be so but what the black and tans did with the blessing of the English government is nothing more than murder , as for the music , listen to words of all the rebel songs it , its from the heart and tells history as it happened not the history the English government wants you to think what happened , I just hope the troubles are over for the Irish and they can all live in peace , GOD BLESS THEM ALL .
Thank you for that comment . My grandmother was born in 1907 my father in 1915 my mother in 1937 and I in 1964 ! I have heard so many memories but was blessed with understanding and the chance to hear learn and move with personal experience. Including with fear but questions during the Troubles Still hate that expression! So many cross with Michael Collins who was military moved and De Valera who should have went! I want a United Northern Ireland! The United Irishmen were divided as the Scots in Robert The Bruce's day ! And now England wants to release NI in media but not in true form! Nationality is confusing as Scotland shows! Fear of going alone! Too much to lose! Mineral and coastline rights !
Weird that this came up today, we were only talking this morning about the tales my mum used to tell about the "Tans" She hated the English with a venom till she died aged 93, despite living here since she was 15.
"The past is another country, they do things differently there." The important thing is to move on in the world we have now whilst learning from the past.
@@rhannay39 Boston massacre, city of dresden, the Boer camps, Amritsar massacre, Mau Mau, Chuka massacre, Hola massacre to name a few... I mean America has had its issues too, but we don’t often execute civilians to incite fear. I have a feeling no matter what I say your gonna come back with your own list.
My grandad, Matthew Beattie, supported the rebel’s and let them build bombs in his shed. I still know lots of fellers that hate the British, but I personally think that the past is the past, and we’ve already gained independence. No point continuing the fight.
There is a bar (Donellys) in Bearna, Co.Galway, which still has bullet holes in the outside wall from when the Tans fired a casual burst of gunfire through the windows while driving by.
***** Certainly the B and T burned Cork. The Irish Civil war also did a bunch of shooting too. "Left for all to see" but doesn't really provide any evidence of who did the shooting, or at whom. Of course shots through the window would not have penetrated the outer wall, so there is that little problem of physics for the story teller to resolve. Stories like that are rather like the southern folks who have lots of stories about how X was burned by Sherman's bummers, but a brief check of the map shows that his bummers never got over 50 miles from his main line of march- so if X was burned it was burned by southern deserters, who lived even more as outlaws, unaccompanied by officers, un restricted by orders, but even more desperate to steal provisions and hide the evidence of their crime. That is the difference between myth and history. Myth has better stories. History demands actual evidence.
***** Why would the B and T shoot at a pub? Where would they have a drink afterwards? I don't need too much evidence of the murderous nature of the IRA, when more died during the Irish civil war than died during the revolution. I don't need much evidence of Irish government incompetence when they still haven't reached the peak populations seen under the Union with Britain.
***** Except the IRA did have a murderous nature, as shown by the many more deaths during the Irish Revolution than during the War for Irish Independence. I hear a lot of talk about poets in the Irish war for independence, but Roger Casement wasn't bringing in pens and paper to the lonely Banna strand.
***** O'Connell did his work before the famine. The famine occurred after he had done his work. Reforms began before O'Connell, in part because the British are not actually bad people.
Go raibh míle maith agat a chairde don film seo. I of course knew the name "Black and Tans" ('Dubh agus Tan' i nGaeilge?) but I had always supposed them simply to have been para-military police. The origin of the name was very interesting to learn. Both sides of my family came to the US in the 1850s or 1860's and, so far as I know, were so well pleased to be here in Nua-Eabhrac that they never looked back. I was so fortunate that to me 'black & tan' simply meant the bar man would mix blonde beer with my Guiness. le gach dea-ghuí, Frank Kirwin / Ó Ciardhubháin (and many thanks to the local Hibernians for supporting the Gerry Tobin Irish Language School where we study na Gaeilge.)
Yes the last footage is from the film the Wind in the Barley. The criminal atrocities enacted on the ordinary Irish citizen by the Black and Tans do not reflect the actions of the regular British Army. The Black and Tans were the enforcers of a political decision taken by Churchill in a time of turmoil and social change following WW I. This in itself never justifies the atrocities on ordinary people.
@@cormacbcb So basically the British soldiers can literally get away with daylight murder? If this is all true, fuck the British flag - the red stripes stand for the blood of the innocent they have slain
@@AmericanHero911 Recently there was something passed in England where basically all the cold cases of the troubles are now not being bothered to be investigated. My friends grandad was shot dead on his own doorstep by an MI5 agent (Who was subsequently dealt with in a meat factory) but was sent by the British Government to kill Irish people. The same man is suspected of killing over 100 Irish Citizens.
My great grandmother had her door kicked down by a Black and Tan and she got them out of her house with a broom even though they had guns A few days later a group of them were together and one threw a bolt at her head
I'm embarrassed to say that one of my great-grandfather's was a black and tanner. He must have repented of his evil though because his wife was from Cork and he ended up a Quunsguard in England before they moved to the U. S. We don't know much about him or his wife because he was a lunatic and spent most of his adult life in America in and out of a very posh and famous asylum in Massachusets. Now my father was born in the USA and had nothing to do with his grandfathers (his mother's father, crazy English bastard) ways but when my mother met him her grandmother on her dad's side hated my father and said he was nothing more than a long legged black and tanner. My mum's Nana Jenny was from Cavan so I see why in a way she would say that, my father was mean tempered and crazy like his maternal grandfather. I'm second generation American so I only know what I learned, not much, by oral history in my family. Learning more about it kind of explains some characteristics my father and his mother had, not good either. H
Ah yes, of course you should be embarrassed for someone in your family joining up to remove terrorists. He was a good person who did the right thing, rather that then blow up civilians.
@@RandomCenturion Im not embarrassed that he did good, my understanding of the Black and Tanners and the history is not good enough, what i was taught was from a very biased account, thank you for sharing a different side of the whole thing.
@@vangogo6819 Oh, okay. The Black and Tans were essentially like any militant organisation, they did bad stuff but everyone’s done things like that. The IRA and Black and Tans both have unique reputations it’s just when you focus on certain things the history starts to change.
@@vangogo6819 It’s a matter of both sides tbh, finding a reliable history book on the Irish struggle for independence and the troubles in hard. Same with finding unbiased claims.
