According to Jackie's Secret Service agent: "They had a good relationship. I know that the press has sometimes written it otherwise, but that's not really true. The relationship was friendly, more warm than it was cold," Hill says, referring to the oft-repeated narrative that the two women didn't get along. In reality, Hill says they were two young mothers navigating life in the harsh spotlight, who found common ground talking about their kids, and their passion for all things equestrian. "They had small children and they had horses. Two things that they could discuss forever," Hill recalls. As far as the lunch went, Jackie told Hill it was "delightful."
We shall never really know the intimate details. We always read several versions of these situations between powerful people. I am sure they enjoyed each other very much as it was not as though they were going to see one another often. I very very much doubt Mrs. Kennedy was quite so personal on this visit.
@@miamonroe2231 Yes, as much as I admire Natalie, she tried too hard in/with Jackie and it was strenuous and looking at her I didn't see Jackie, I saw Natalie acting, it was too performative imo
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 interesting I never looked at like that I may watch it again… after “Mommie Dearest” of course I mean it is Mother’s Day after all
Let’s take a minute to remember that this series is inspired by true events but in truth, these mini side conversations and subplots that occur behind palace walls are constructed fictional narrative. It’s a show. As Jackie reveals her true nature and shyness, she endears herself to Elizabeth, and the two women find a common ground. Elizabeth therefore lets her guard down which is a perfect set up for later in the episode. It makes Jackie’s harsh words even more hurtful. This is called drama. It’s a tv show. Yes they are trying to capture the essence of these people, we need to recognize them, but all these behind the scenes conversations are scripted in a way that weaves together an exciting show to watch. The writing in the crown is wonderful, and the two actresses are brilliant. We recognize the historically famous women and simultaneously go along for the ride of the dramatic narrative. Bravo to the Crown.
I have to agree. Prince Harry has openly admitted that he’s seen The Crown-I believe it was on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert-but has confirmed that much of this show is fiction.
For sure. The side conversations and interactions beyond the basic historical structure likely never happened, but I had the same thought. If Jackie's comments later were actually made, how incredibly unkind. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. Guess is some of it is based on what someone in the household said and it's about 50% true.
She most certainly did know it. But she aas gracious enough and well mannered enough to let her host talk and explain the history in their tour. No one likes a know-it-all
The Queen as portrayed in The Crown never opened herself up this much to anyone outside of her immediate family. She really bonded with Jackie here; they are simpatico in personality and in having younger sisters who want their roles. So it must have hurt her later in the episode when she found out that Jackie called her incurious, unintelligent and unremarkable.
I really loved this scene. While it demonstrates the cultural differences between the UK and the USA over the last 250 years, it also demonstrated how two naturally shy women, in the public eye, formed a bit of a bond across oceans. It was nice.
Who every designed this costumes did a fantastic job because these outfits look just like the ones seen in the pictures of the irl figures in the show. I love when shoes do stuff like this.
@@garyhutton2654 Cecil Rhodes was born in 1853 and died in 1902. Bit difficult for the then colony of Rhode Island, founded in 1636, to have any correlation.
I agree. Lee had a smaller, more delicate frame like this actress. Jackie was very bony and angular. But I like the performance. She captures Jackie's speech pattern and mannerisms well.
The Queen was skilled in getting people to relax in conversation, it was part of her job. Jackie probably appreciated being able to speak with another woman who really understood the intrusion of the public glare.
I can believe Jackie Kennedy found comfort in talking to the queen, a woman of a similar stature to herself, which must have been very rare. I think the scene is also meant to highlight certain American traits in comparison to British.
This conversation did happen. Maybe not word for word but they did go off on their own, and Jackie did mention the topics of their conversation together.
You’re right I think this is where the writers were creative in a sense , if two women of this much power and influence were to have a moment like this what would they speak about, and I think this scene gave writers the opportunity to do that.
Sometimes, it is much easier to speak to veritable strangers about deeply personal issues because they will listen but have no bias because there is no relationship that would lead to conflicted loyalties.
The way they became friends so quickly before He was taken from us was so out of the ordinary, but beautiful at the sametime. The Crown is one of my favorite shows & I'm American. I guess the Lil' gay boy I was when I was little always dreamt of finding my King so I'd be the Queen...
I can't believe that Jackie Kennedy said all that shit about Elizabeth II behind her back at that dinner party, that was low. I also laughed with Elizabeth II tried to fit into that dress to be like slender slim Jackie.
Jodi Balfour nailed Jackie's accent and her combination of wordly sophistication and vulnerability. I agree, her portrayal far exceeded Natalie Portman's. Besides getting the accent right abd the "look," Jodi is tall and statuesque. Jackie was slightly over 5 feet 8 inches. Natalie was too short, petite, elfin-like which was way, way off. I also agree, her performance was too intense and forced, failing to capture Jackie even in the face of tragedy.
When she mentioned her sister, I realized the six degrees of separation thing could very well be true. I worked for years at a spa that was in a hotel that was run by the son of the owner, who was once engaged to Jackie's sister. Me - John Cope - Newton Cope - Lee Radziwiłł - Jackie O - the Mfn Queen of England: 6
I love this because I used to be a very shy person myself but you know how it goes LOL to me three is a crowd but I was forced to become more outgoing more outspoken which did help me I will say that but I kind of would like to go back to how I used to be.
Being a public person does not automatically mean being a ''strong'' one. Neither does shyness or reserved character (and don't give me this pop psychology crap about ''intro/extraverts'', it's simplistic and largely inaccurate) means weakness or timid nature.
@@uwbadger79 Elsewhere on You Tube there's an interview with Jacqueline Kennedy while she was still First Lady and also there's her tour of the White House. Mrs. Kennedy had that American, East coast, upper-class acccent. I don't know if it exists as much as it used to.
Jacqueline had a distinctive whispery speaking style and her accent itself was an upper class accent that you don't really hear today. Now upper class Americans sound like everyone else.
I'm not sure if The Crown wanted Jackie to come across as arrogant and rude or maybe in real life she was! I'm also tired of hearing that she was "shy". When I think of shyness I associate it with childhood. I think Jackie just had no interest or concern for people and that's why she hid away in the White House just decorating it to her own taste and maintaining her pricey wardrobe. I used to be a big fan of Jackie Kennedy now whenever I read about her I just see her as selfish, stubborn and spoiled. There is no "shyness" here just detachment and Jackie's own lack of compassion. It's as if she refused to get INVOLVED for others...
@@JoanMorrison-vq2jcJackie spoke to the Queen as a real person. Elizabeth wasn’t used to that. I don’t believe Jackie was rude. Jackie did what Jackie HAD to do being First Lady. Some First Ladies are social, others are not. Hillary was very social and Laura Bush wasn’t. So don’t blame Jackie, some things you don’t realize till you’re in those situations.
2 itérations of the same topic actually have a point. First Elisabeth is unimpressed, like who are you to compare yourself to the Pitt. And second time, when Jackie insists on her shyness topic, they get into details and Quinn sees the person behind the beautiful gown.
@@JoanMorrison-vq2jc I agree that we use the word shy with regard to children more than adults, but adults can definitely be introverted, and I think Jackie was. I think she interacted with people in her own way. She was a book editor. She was interested in other people's stories and helped them tell them. As for her White House project, this was actually the first time a First Lady had an official project or cause. The concept was new, so there was no comparison to be made to projects that would have brought her into contact with regular Americans, like Michelle Obama with Move On. And as for her wardrobe, all First Ladies have expensive clothes. They promote American designers and they're wealthy women in general.
Bad title... it's not "Whom you turn to for..." it's "Who you turn to for..." or "To Whom do you turn for..." Sorry, but gramatical errors just drive me nuts and distract me from the content of the video. However, it was a great scene. Love Claire Foy in everything. I've never seen the actor who played Jackie Kennedy but she's very good.
In an alternate timeline where the Soviets got to the moon first, Jackie changed her name to Ellen Waverley became an astronaut fell in love with a poet named Pamala Horton and became the first female president of the United States. For All Mankind references anyone?
So this is BEFORE the Queen had to dispatch her sister as a traveling vaudeville act to get LBJ to disburse billions to rescue the British economy. Princess Margaret with her vulgar limericks was the belle of the ball at LBJ's White House, and those crucial billions in aid came to the rescue. That's definitely the undercurrent that you see between the two ladies here--the Queen had to impress the only two people worth impressing in the world, the U.S. President and his wife. And she finds the role a bit awkward since it's almost always the other way around in her life. LOL...
Assuming it's historically accurate, yes, Margaret was the perfect emmissary to charm "Colonel Cormpoke and his porkchop" as Jackie allegedly referred to LBJ and Lady Bird. That was a very fun episode.
I will have to say, this conversation never happened. This is by far the worst depiction of JACKIE KENNEDY I have ever seen (or heard). Accent is way off.
Jackie Kennedy was not beautiful. That bony face and those wide set eyes. But Queen Elizabeth was very beautiful. As was Princess Margaret. But they didn't get their looks from their mother. She was, to put it a bit charitably, rather plain.
There is a photograph with Jackie in which the Queen is wearing this dress. At the time, it wouldn't have been considered necessarily ugly, but certainly rather conservative.
Jackie was horrible, she never thought in a million years her hateful comments would ever get back to the Queen. And then made up the excuse that her and jacks private physician gave them special cocktail of vitamins . 🤦♀️
