Just to clarify, in NASCAR the yellow line rule or double yellow line or what have you (line the delineates the apron from the racing surface) is ONLY in effect at Super Speedways. Daytona, Talladega and now Atlanta due to its reconfiguration. On these 3 tracks its an actual rule, no passing below the yellow line. All other ovals its fair game even below the inside line.
Yeah, I don't think that one would have technically been a foul, but he should have known better than to try to make the apron work. That's just asking for trouble.
@@gatling216 the black truck gave the position back right after the pass was made. It also looks like the other truck possibly forced them below the yellow line.
Definitely not the black trucks fault. There was room, the other truck moved off the yellow line for the draft. The black truck moved up inside above the yellow line and the other truck tried to defend late and moved the black truck below the line. The black truck tried to move back to the track a few times but the other truck was bumping him down until he spun on the apron.
yes, and I wish it was made daily and an hour long, I could watch this forever. who doesn't love judging and placing blame? plus we get to see fools causing massive carnage. this is the golden content I come to youtube for
yeah.. i dont know much about all the rules and whos fault is it etc.. so Jimmy explaining it is educational for me at least :D and pretty cool tbh.. i believe this can help me be a better driver as well.. even if i dont race much... just drive around with a friend on a full server lol
You just know the guy racing the AI in F1 at Silverstone is new to racing and he's absolutely chuffed with that overtake and couldn't wait to share it with someone. Keep racing man
Small correction Jim Mer. 13:32 In Oval Racing, Especially in NASCAR there's no such thing as track limits. You can go anywhere. The only exception are tracks where pack racing happens, like Daytona, Talladega and now - Atlanta. There you're prohibited from putting a tire below the double yellow line to advance your position. If you do so, you either give it right back, or get a penalty
13 had the inside before crossing and the 13 moves over the line after the outside car sways toward them. After the outside car sways, they don't move back up to where they were to give the room back and they hold the middle of that lane. they were originally to the rightmost part of it when 13 took the inside.
The 13 had no right to get back up there as the cars ahead were in that drafting train. What was the 11 supposed to do? Give up the draft and become the meat in a 3-wide sandwich?
@@Grimoire44 The 13 had the room to make that work reasonably, but they got on the apron and lost it, I agree they could have made it out the other side of that, it would have been kinda rude but totally legal.
What I've learned from watching these clips: A lot of sim racers think giving the other driver just their own car width of space is enough. No one seems to be accounting for them locking brakes or missing their line. Everyone seems to think "But I had the line" and so that makes it ok to drive over people's noses and pinch them and give them no room at all. They are trying to completely shut out the other person's momentum and that's just not good racing. Give them room, race them hard, race them clean. It's ok to lose but lose graciously. Don't win being an asshole.
Dude I know what you mean but some people get enough room but they haven't heard of braking or throttle controle. If i give you enough space. Like 1.5/2 car widths than I have dealt my fair playing card. His line is also my line. But when I overtake you with enough space and have my car in front of you in a turn your should brake slightly just to not hit me. Why do you think that formula 1 racing is so agressive...... they ram their cars right in front of you. You have to anticipate upon it and immidiat react to that. You have to give eachother some room. But also if you get overtaken slow a bit down. You have enough corners to overtake them.....
Well I mean u are only entitled to a car width of space, a good driver will always make sure to give the car they are fighting as lttile room as allowed
At 5:00 the BMW at the back has a custom livery that reads "Driving style ok? 0-800-wayne" the wayne being a stupid old innuendo meaning "who cares?", so he clearly is a gold standard member of the sim racing community.
@@pookachu64 he once lives in a shed, lives off sponsors despite the expensive rig and almost killed himself in that shed. Does that sounds "rich" to you? His house (fortunately) & setup i believe is bought with money out off patreon, RU-vid, and Sponsors combined
What I always tell myself before and during a race is to forget everything about winning the race and instead just focus on safely passing the car in front of me. When you try to go for the win you tend to forget about safety because it will require an extraordinary effort to pass several cars, and that means you have to take a lot of risks. Focus on your current position only, and be aware of potential opportunities for overtaking.
The yellow line rule is only for what used to be known as restrictor plate racing tracks. Thats talladega and daytona. They also used that rule for atlanta this past march as it was essentially the same package as those tracks. Its a safety thing. Any other oval track, you can pass below the line on the bottom.
I've been suggesting Jimmy do this for months. Hopefully I played some part in getting this idea to him. However, I did suggest Jimmy get a black robe, gavel and powdered wig, which I maintain would still be better.
Your experience has given you the ability to take into account factors that I wouldn't have noticed. As insightful as it was entertaining. Nice one Jimmy!
Nice to see a PC2 clip; that game got me back into sim-racing after many years off the genre so is a game I have a massive soft-spot for. The point about using your head is probably one of the best messages you could give sim-racers. The penultimate clip, with the Ferrari and Porsche, saying how the Porsche could have just backed out slightly, been smart and just slip-streamed back past on the next straight is a really good one; so often we get done in a corner and see the tinniest of openings and the red-mist will descend with the thought process of "Oh no you don't, I'm going to have you here" followed immediately by an incident, when the best thing to do is just take a breath and stay calm.
Absolutely love your input Jimmy! As someone who has caused their fair share of crashes in the sim, I can say seeing your knowledge and trying to apply it to my racing is something I always enjoy! Keep up the great content Jimmer! Hope the arm gets better!
@@captainarcbite8063 No, the car infront says that because of lap 1 damage he had to brake early. The driver behind says that he didn't expect it but he was given a DT. Quite a bit of salt involved though
@@company071 Sounds like a load of horse shit to me, if your car is damaged and you can no longer race properly then it's time to get out of the way because there is no way someone can expect for you to 1. Brake 4 car lengths early 2. Change your line as you are braking
The song in the background from 2:25 to 4:50 is "Heartbeat, Heartbreak" or more accurately a rendition of it that has been edited, it's a song from Persona 4, you should check the song and the game out, P4 is a fantastic game with one of the best soundtracks ever created.
This could easily be a series! You're taking all of your sim knowledge and real world racing experience and applying it to these clips. It's informative, and you bring your Jimmy humor to it as well so it's a good laugh. One thing I like is that you're also very direct with the people who are at fault. You're not mean, but you still let them know the situation.
13:40 American here who’s big into Nascar. This is Daytona, and at Daytona (and Dega), there is a rule that your left side tires can NOT go below the double yellow line.
Is that in the sporting code for iracing? Can’t tell you how many people do it. Wreck then say well it’s not illegal because I racing doesn’t say it is
The things you do for content Jimmy... I salute your dedication. I hope the mounts on the helmet cam won't betray you again. Do not compromise your field of view my dude. Maybe a donation goal for F1 style helmet cam or something in that fashion is an option although I would be scared to figure out the cost of these.
Very informative Jimmy. We have a Monday night "friends only closed lobby" competition and sometimes the results take days to sort out as we squabble over various racing incidents. we all try to be gentlemen but when the lights go out the red mist descends rapidly :)
4:26 reminded me of Australia 2002 when Barrichello was the guy ahead and did something similar to this and then Half Schumacher endeed up crashing throught his rear wing at and flying at the first corner
On the super speedway, 13 had the line and cannot be blocked down without a way to regain the track in the same position he was in. That became a rule when things like this happened and the lower car would not give up.
IMO here are more than enough videos on RU-vid about how to drive faster, but not enough content about race craft. This series might begins as a fast turnover comment video, but I think there are something special there, especially for people like me who only watched races but never participated in one, it given me a lot of insight about how drivers think in a race. And helps me to understand and appreciate hard but fair racing.
The jag in Monza is the same as the Porsche at Road Am. The Audi even gave him enough room to survive there. But at his trajectory hes never gonna make the corner without hitting the other guy if he tries to keep fighting for the position. The main problem is just people not being able to let a lost position go....
With the last f1 clip, when you get half-pitted on the rear, it's very hard for the car ahead to get out of it, you basically get forcefully pit maneuvered without escape, this can be seen as moving over, unaware if this is the case
Love this, not much content out there like this & its super useful with these actual examples to compare to our own gameplay and see where we can improve. Hope you continue this as a series!
13:46 oval specialist here. at that specific track, Talladega, the Apron is not allowed. if it is a single yellow line or a white line, it is allowed to be on the apron
Man, back in the day I used to race in Sim Raceway Online with a PC. The servers quit working awhile ago, but we had a rather small group that was always on and respected each other. Every now and then we would get a yahoo, but nothing that compares to what I see now. The best part was racing with the developers and chatting with the community.
I've spent ages looking around that sub, joining in with the stewarding where I think I have something to offer, and learning a lot of things I didn't know. It's been great fun, so thank you for introducing me to it :) Hope your arm is feeling better!
Jimmer has the best intros. I don't believe they are thought through, I think he sets a 3 second countdown on the video camera and does literally whatever.
In regards to the truck wreck. That track is Talladega, one of 2 superspeedways in the NASCAR lineup. Superspeedways have a very important rule, DO NOT go below the yellow line, In the straight its not as much of a problem but on the banking, those have in excess of 30 degrees and you put one wheel on that and its hang on cause you're going for a ride.
Sorry to hear about the injured arm... I know what it's like as I'm recovering from a broken collarbone and I'm a FPS player. Wish you all the best for a speedy recovery so you can get back to what you love without pain, because we all know pain won't keep a REAL gamer out for long. GG
In the second clip, the white car and the car in front braked at the same time, only the car in front was about 3-4 car lengths ahead. The #20 wasn't brake checked, but they wouldn't have been expecting the white car to brake so early...
I totally feel you on the arm injury, I dislocated my thumb doing a run in Dirt Rally 2.0 on stream. I had to put a steering wheel knob on my rig so I could still play in automatic mode. xD
With the NASCAR ute incident its a rule called "the yellow line rule" which clearly states drivers can't go below anyway This won't change any end result but another rule to keep in mind
"You musta leava tha space". Porsche has every right to keep his nose in on Road America. The move is not complete. Ferrari moved across his nose and paid the price.
I’m 99% sure the Ferrari completes the overtake without needing to cut for the apex as well lmfao, he cuts cause he wants to try to overtake the next guy too. Ferrari tried to take a really cocky move and paid for it for sure.
My #1 rule as I start online racing... Unless you are absolutely 100% clear, take precautions because lag and netcode makes anything too close to call as a closed door.
sometimes you just gotta be clever and survive the corner... well fucking said my friend. sometimes you just gotta think for a second thats all it takes. gah sim racing can be rage inducing sometimes.
I actually really like this series. Love to have your input as to how to improve. Maybe you could do a similar series for other ways to improve? OH! And I just preordered my Team87 hoodie!
Hey, just found your channel last night funnily enough the last episode that you did of this popped into my feed. To be honest I don't know too much about Sim racing, but after seeing a few episodes it definitely has peaked my interest. I don't know if you could make a video about Sim racing and getting into it, or of you already had one that I could watch
Just excellent info!! I am by no means a pro sim racer, but to hear the aspects of the rules or code of conduct broken down like this ... I'm soaking it up. Cheers for that. Love the channel mate.
Hi Jimmy. Just a heads up. Seems like someone is impersonating you and trying to scam folks into believing they just won a sim rig. Person would not provide any bit of proof I was chatting to you, which in todays climate, most will understand seems a red flag. Just letting you know.
Jimmy heres my thought per these accidents. 1. I agree with you 100%, to me it seems like a racing Ordeal. 2. No, He wasn't break checked by the car in front. He was running close to the car ahead of him and hit him. 3. Mad Bro? do i need to say more? 4. I couldn't see the lock of the front left tire. Yellow car still at fault. 5. again I agree with you. The Alfa I guess thought he was cleared and wasn't. The Aston had no where to go except do what he did or take both out. 6. I had a difficult time with this one. 7. get the hell off the track. 8. good move even though it looks like they did kiss. 9. 13 was trying to make the pass however was pushed below the yellow line. Still 13 fault however shouldn't be penalized for the truck pushing him below. next time back off a bit. 10. the Porsche was still there and tried to make the move however i think he should have backed off. 11. Thats racing.
