Horrible scene, imho. Al Pacino's acting in that scene, and many scenes throughout Heat, suits something like Dick Tracy and not Heat's gritty street drama.
Gregory Tyson disagree, he’s the only one who isn’t somewhat wooden in this film. Almost like he has to make up for lack of emotion in this film even though it’s one of my favorite movies
Favorite line for me is when Pacino says: “I have tactical command that supersedes your rank, they will walk away and you will let them. FUCK!” Great acting.
Great line. “It’s because I got to hold on to my angst. I preserve it .. because I need it. It’s keeps me sharp, on the edge; where I gotta be”. Is equal to that one IMO. Pacino was a bad dude in this movie.
Chinese Theater Restroom - Standing Ovation . . . . . . True Story. I saw heat at the Chinese Theater in Los Angeles in 1995. 3 Hour Movie. Afterwards the audience rushes to the restrooms. The Chinese Theater men's restroom has a wall of 30+ Urinals. All the men line up, not a word is spoken, just letting it wiz after holding it for 3 hours. In the silence, in this crowd of 50+ men, a lone voice is heard, "Fuck, that was a GREAT Movie!" . . . . Suddenly, the men in unison start banging on the wall, with random voices yelling, "Hell ya, man" - a standing ovation in the Chinese Theater Restroom.
Just wanted to make a note on a "What aged the worst" subject. You said Justine just rattles off a great speech after she is left at dinner. In the movies defense, consider how long she has been sitting there. Have you ever rehearsed an argument before it happens or thought about what you will say when you see somebody? I have. I find her pre conceived sounding speech is accurate because she has thought about this speech for hours. She is angry and hurt and gone over all the things she wants to tell Vincent whenever he comes back for her. That is my hot take.
Great point. Also, it is WILD how bad their pronunciations are, especially Bill. Chris gets dinged for his pronunciations too, but more so for not addressing Bill’s confusing pronunciations that completely derail his stories. I totally lose him when he says “sex guys” and while you’re asking urself what a sex guy is three sentences later, u realize he said “six guys”.
@@DemocracyFirst2025 Bill's brain isn't fully hooked up to his mouth. Lots of befuddled misstatements, maybe it's all the weed he constantly says he smoked in the 90s. Meanwhile I never stopped and - flawless diction.
I mean, OK, but NO actual human being speaks that way, thought out or not. Same goes for all the caricatures in this movie though. That's why it's entertaining, everybody from Pacino to Ashley Judd is this hamfisted stereotype from 90s action central casting
Especially with firearms. Now a days weapons sound like pee shooters, like in John Wick. In Mann’s films he makes sure the weapons are intimidating and bombastic
"I'm sorry if the god damned chicken got......over cooked!" Love that writing. He could have been lazy and just put in the word "Cold" but the word cold would imply that it was his fault for being late. But that's not the character, he instead says "overcooked" which puts it back on Justine. just little things like that are why I love this film.
Explain that little detail about no helicopters being at the bank heist?.. lol.. Or why in the world Al Pacino would marry that woman?.. Looked good, sounded good, technically sound for sure.. Story was laughable..
@@jacobjones5269 The police task force watching all members of McCauley's crew were completely taken off watching them the night before (Pacino complains about this). Pacino and his officers don't even know the robbery's is happening until it is fully in progress as they get a late tip. They scramble squad cards and head to the bank hoping to catch them coming out. If they sent helicopters ahead, it would have tipped the robbers off and perhaps blown their chance to get them. The resulting shootout probably would have had helicopters there, but most likely news helicopters. Even if you look up the North Hollywood Shootout that went down in LA in 1997, the helicopter footage is from News helicopters who are not trained to persue. So while I do think you're right, there would have been police helicopters to persue them (The LAPD had about 15 helicopters in it's fleet in 1995), it's not such a glaringly obvious missed detail as it would be in 2022. In fact, the real life North Hollywood shooting completely changed how the LAPD handle armed robberies.
@@steveerl1443 Ok, scramble a fucking helicopter, then.. Look, dude, I’m not stupid, ok.. Professional crews don’t take on people sight unseen, they just don’t do the job.. They don’t take that guy to a full diner to sweat him down, only to try and whack him in the parking lot.. lol.. I don’t need 6 poorly written women characters dragging a bank heist movie into hour 3, I don’t wanna watch LAPD Robbery Homicide get fooled by a missing ponytail.. And I certainly know for a fact, they’re not gonna treat the POS thief wife like a queen, while they constantly harass the guy who fingered her to them.. And hipster Jon Voight was about as fucking laughable a character as I’ve ever seen.. I’m sorry you’re a sucker.. I’m not..
I just watched this movie again and had the exact same thought. Brilliant writing to put the blame back on her with a subtle word choice that I assume many people don't notice or appreciate. I love the movie for so many reasons but things like that are the gems that make a good movie great.
I love the scene where Pacino is at the young girls murder scene and has the encounter with the girls mother, just holding her and trying to comfort her.
Heat is a masterpiece. So many memorable moments. Neil: I am alone but I am not lonely. Cameos galore. Henry Rollins! Also, Pacino kicking the TV out of the car.
FYI, have a close friend actor of mine who worked with Michael Mann's action trainer/military coach MICK GOULD, and to answer to what you're saying about Tom Sizemore, which is a very accurate thing, about why we dont see him that much shooting and all, it;s because Sizemore fucked up pretty bad during the training, pointing gun at Gould, Gould make it sure that Sizemore wont be seen with a loaded. gun anytime soon on the set, which is why Cerrito is always used at the minimal
Best line of the movie for me is Pacino giving the one police guy saying they are not walking...."Thats exactly whats gonna happen "they're gonna WALK"..I have tactical command of this operation which supercedes your rank..THEY ARE GONNA WALK..and you will let them..FUCK!!"..
I don't know how "humble" or underrated he's been, but he is awesome. Heat is the best heist movie because it's so much more than a heist movie. It prefigured "The Wire" by setting up parallel families between criminals and cops. It's a stunningly beautiful portrait of a Los Angeles (and U.S.) in steep decline after the Reagan era. It's arguably the first Internet movie-- they get the plans for one of the heists from "the air." A full and total mood. Now I want to see it in the theater again...
@@jasonhill2348 One man's "bloated" is another's "postmodern baroque!" And I'm not talking about his other movies, or "Miami Vice," but this one in particular. And I don't think it's a genre movie-- it's at least three, intersecting and interrupting each other: heist, cop flick, and thriller (Waingro, not the cash, is the ultimate object of desire).
All that being said... 2 issues, the last robbery the time-line from the phone tip to getting there in time to catch them leaving was shaky and Pacino chasing Deniro at the end was iffy. Bob was wayyy ahead and it was dark and a yuge area and yet Pacino followed him perfectly. Still... 10/10
trufiend138 just saw this response what’s more realistic? Consulting Ex con Edward bunker. An actual thief. Weapons training No cgi Best gun audio ever Most aunthentic ex cons ever on screen Perfectly Detailed You didn’t say a movie in your comment What crime movie is more realistic? Goodfellas? Godfather? They’re great. They’re nowhere near the realism of what happens in this movie.
HEAT is now one of the great American films, up there with THE GODFATHER. And it's interesting to see HEAT's ongoing influence in modern commercial films from THE DARK KNIGHT to CAPTAIN AMERICA: WINTER SOLDIER. Like LA CONFIDENTIAL, another weirdly ignored 90s Crime film, only gets better & more important through the years.
Heat isn't ignored, its a cult movie that's become massively popular, it was slept on when it came out, tv and dvd it'd ascended to one of the greatest movies of All time. I went see it in 1995 with two school friends and really liked it, everybody else said it was boring
1990-Goodfellas 1990-The Awakening 1991-CapeFear 1993-A Bronx Tale 1995-Casino 1995-Heat talk about burning up silver screen year after year when cruise, hanks, cage are kissing academy a55es for awards. thats one masterpiece after another. DeNiro got shot outta cannon with THE UNTOUCHABLES (1987).
I have to agree. I never get sick of this movie. Followed by No country for old men and Shawshank Redemption. A multilayered movie. Love the fact 5hat it went deep into the characters interpersonal relationships.
Big simmons fan..love alot of the ringers stuff and a huge movie fan. With work and family didnt have time for the Rewatchables (besides Good Will Hunting) but being laid off due to Covid and catching up to some home projects Im now on my 4th one and its making time alot easier. Thanks for the content.
Heat is my favorite movie and this is my favorite line : I'm angry. I'm very angry, Ralph. You know, you can ball my wife if she wants you to. You can lounge around here on her sofa, in her ex-husband's dead-tech, post-modernistic bullshit house if you want to. But you do not get to watch my fucking television set! - Vincent
Quick note. Chris mentions Michael moving across from Waingro at the diner. I read it as watching so that he doesn't try to run off with no one next to him in the booth when Trejo gets up. This makes the moment when he slips away from Neil even more tense in the parking lot. The rat seems completely cornered and still gets away.
Great analogy Chris I felt the same way! This was an accident and everyone is integral to the story, if Wayne gro doesn't get serato to fink then no movie, if Haysbert(forgot the characters name sorry Dennis) isn't at the coffee shop at that moment no movie, if Voight(again sorry forgot the characters name lol) doesn't ruin everything by telling Neil where Wayngro is then no ending!
They did the same thing to Val with "Tombstone." The fact he didn't get nominated for best supporting actor for his portrayal of Doc Holiday, is somehow an even bigger travesty than him not getting nominated for best supporting actor in "Heat." I mean, his Doc Holiday is legitimately one of the top 15 to 20 greatest performances in the history of film imo, and to not even get nominated let alone win - is a fuckin crime. Between his roles in those two movies, his roles as Jim Morrison in "The Doors," (easily the best musician bio-pic ever made by the way), in "The Ghost and The Darkness," in "Thunderheart," as King Philip in "Alexander," and his criminally underrated performance in "Kiss-Kiss, Bang-Bang," make him one of the best actors of our generation and yet no one thinks of him as that - it's a real shame. I know you guys mentioned "Den of Thieves," but it's definitely not a carbon copy of "Heat." It is obviously a ode' to Heat, but it has it's own style/personality with a significantly more complicated heist plan and a pretty well executed twist at the end. All this make that movie it's own thing, and not to mention the fact that there are tons of way worse films to emulate than "Heat." "Heat" is easily not only the greatest heist film, it's imo the best crime film period. Yes "The Godfather" part 1 and 2 are phenomenal as well, but i think Heat's even better, (barely). So yeah, as a film "Den of Thieves" is nowhere near as great as "Heat," but it still was different enough, with awesome action scenes - that it should be considered to be in the top five or at a minimum - top ten greatest heist film. As amazing as "Heat's" shootout was, I know this is sacrilege - but the 2 shootouts in "Den of Thieves" were actually a little better. There are better tactics, and significantly more realistic. The gun sound effects were almost as good, but for the amount of constant fully-automatic gunfire that Val and Robert lay down, there's literally only 2 to 3 times you see either of them reload.
Definitely. It's hilarious how they could give the Oscar to rami Malek yet not Val kilmer when PEOPLE IN THE BAND said they didn't know whether it was him or Jim singing. He obviously did something to piss one of them off which is stupid but then again Bruce dern who sucks gets an Oscar because his cooze daughter was president of the academy. Just stupid
@@TonyDanza4Lyfe So-so true! I thought Malek was pretty darn good, there have been far worse winners over the years than that, but i do agree it certainly was mind-blowing or anything. And to think that that below-average cookie-cutter bio-pic got all these nominations and awards, when compared to the fuckin masterpiece that "The Doors", (as a whole - not just Val Kilmer's Jim Morrison), is a crime. Early in the careers of DiCaprio and Brad Pitt, i fuckin hated them - i saw both of them early in each of their careers as being little more than them as teen heartthrobs. Little did i know that the two would go on to have damn near as many brilliant performances that got completely Oscar snubbed as Val did. Pitt's performances in "Fight Club," "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button," "Burn After Reading," and "The Assassination of Jesse James" were next level great! And Leo in "Blood Diamond", "Shutter Island," and above all "The Departed" was similarly fucked over without getting nominated! Which is why it's funny he eventually won one for "The Revenant," when that was nearly as good a job as his performances in the three i just mentioned. And as ridiculous as those snubs are imo, even the most egregious of them still doesn't compare to the travesty of Val getting snubbed over his "Tombstone" and "The Doors" performances. I think with Val alot of it came down to him being hard to work with, and was well liked by Hollywood. You see similar treatment of Mel Gibson, who while despite being a complete asshole - is still a phenomenal actor who never has gotten the praise he deserved/deserves. Brad and Leo are extremely well liked though, which is so fuckin weird that they would go on to get snubbed so many times
@@8301TheJMan I agree with you 100 percent. Val was a mega mega star in the 90s. There's a reason they picked him as batman, there's a reason he's on a poster with Pacino and de Niro. Because he was legit. He should have won for both tombstone and the doors. It's so stupid for these directors to hate him when he's elevating their movie with incredible performances. He proved it works so shut up and let him work but noooooo they're a bunch of pussies. What sucks is that there's no Val comeback. There will never be because he can't talk and it's a fucking shame considering his talent
Chris doesn't ask the guys on the basketball court where he can get some bread.... he asks them if they know if there's any place TO RENT around there. How this could be misheard is beyond me.
Ted Vandross The best! Just turned my 20 year old son onto it. Loves all the same things about it. Dafoe tells a good story on Inside the Actors..... about printing counterfeit 😊
Damn,I hope so! I like To Live And Die in L.A. better than Heat. I mean,I see the latest Rewatchable is Boomerang. Surely there are thousands of movies they could do that are better than that...
Years ago, when the NHL was about to go through a lockout or strike (I can't remember which), a co-worker asked me, "What are they arguing about?" and I responded, "Not enough steaks in the freezer." He paused for a second and then said, "Is that from 'Heat'?"
Damn. I really want to be a guest on this show. You guys speak my movie language. I have conversations like this on a daily with my friends. It's a shame I just discovered this podcast last week. This is amazing. Thank you for this.
'Fate Scrapes' is one of the best part of the score. It played when Neil McCauley and Nate were on the hill after talking to Kelso and when the crew meet to decide whether to take the bank down
Among the seeming millions of great parts of the movie that I love, it's in the beginning when Val Kilmer's character turns off the radio before the first robbery that tells me that this movie means business.
You guys missed one of THE best lines from al pacino, when he walks in on his girlfriend and Ralph, and then Ralph says "I should probably go" and Al Pacino says "shutup Ralph, SSSSIITTTTT DOOOWWNNNNN" . That is my personal absolute top line from him in this movie.
Incidentally, the actor that played Ralph (Xander Berkeley) was the only actor to appear in both Heat and L.A. Takedown. In L.A. Takedown, he was the original 'Waingro'.
I recently saw this movie for the first time, a couple weeks ago. I just fell in love with it! I was blown away by Al Pacino's performance! Like you guys said, he's the engine of this movie. Loved you guys' impressions of the characters. I laughed so hard. I'll definitely watch more of your episodes! "All I am is what I'm going after. One of my favorite lines!
About 10 years before this movie was made, I began dreaming of a 4-way faceoff with DeNiro, Pacino, Hoffman, and Keitel. So, Heat, though in retrospect the best of its type ever made, despite the anticipatory excitement, still had a pre-ordained measure of disappointment to overcome, in my mind. And now for 25 years and counting, it's not been settled as to whether it has. I suppose that's why I'm here. Great job, men.
I used to do this impression of him for this girl we knew saying "It puts the lotion in the basket or it gets the hose again." So every time I saw her I would greet her that way.
It's expanded out to other movies now. So far they've done Last of the Mohicans, All The President's Men and Inherent Vice. One about Zodiac is coming soon.
Every 10 years there is a film where everyone at the height of their powers all show up to just create an elite level film. The Social Network is a great example of this. I don't know where this would rank as I only watched it recently, but holy fuck. I literally have no flaws with this movie.
When I was in college I had 3 roommates splitting a row house in the city where we went to school. When Heat came out we all saw it together in the theater and had a blast. (I loved Moby at the time too and most of my roomies were annoyed I kept talking about Moby on the way home in that ending scene and how effective is was). So, when the dvd came out my roomie bought it. He owned the entertainment center in the main room with these huge tower speakers. The house we rented had these huge windows that slide up almost from the floor on the first level. So, one summer Saturday we are all upstairs watching the street and James (roomie) says he is gonna do this. He pauses Heat on the final gunfight scene, raises the first floor windows, turns the speakers around and the volume all the way up and presses play. We were upstairs dying laughing as randoms on the street walking by were hitting the deck. It was hilarious.
loved the episode and thought I'd throw in a few extra points. surprised the guys didn't mention that Haysbert's boss was Bud Cort famous for Harold and Maude. he was almost unrecognizable since in Harold and Maude he was so young. the Jon Voight character was based on a former con who got into acting. his name was Edward Bunker and his most famous role was Mr. Blue in Reservoir Dogs. when you pull up a pic on IMDB it's pretty obvious Jon Voight's look is from this. loved the call to Kilmer losing a fortune on the Super Bowl and the time frame puts it at Niners vs Chargers. the spread was the highest in SB history at 18 points and if you remember the final score was 49-26 with the Chargers scoring late to close the gap. there was a interception in the end zone that closed out the game or maybe the Chargers cover and Chris would have won big. this is one of my top 5 flicks all time and I could have listened to another couple of hours of this podcast. please do my 2nd all-time favorite Mann movie sometime Manhunter.
Wow, De Niro SUCKS so hard in that movie...repeating himself over and over like the moron he is. What an embarrassment. He ruined the whole movie. He was so nauseating.
38:39 For some reason, Sizemore is using a Galil assault rifle in the heist. It is only semi automatic. I mean, that’s how the rifles were in the Israeli military. I guess the rifle was chosen for Heat because it looks cool. And when they got to set, or maybe even when they started cutting, they must have been like, “Well, that’s not exciting.” I haven’t heard that anywhere, but it only makes sense with the hardware. Sizemore either has the stock of the rifle folded, or it was removed. So it’s kind of anticlimactic to see the two guys opening up on the cops, and cut to Tom hip shooting semi auto. Pop! Pop! Pop!
Amazing movie, the best cops and robbers movie ever made. It should have got Oscar noms for picture, Actor- De Niro, supporting Actor- Kilmer, screenplay, score.
my recollection when it was first released was it disappointed a lot of people. The Pacino/Deniro thing was over hyped and everyone I knew was disappointed with the diner scene. I also remember how I thought the shoot out was unrealistic. It took a few years to start to appreciate this film fully....I do not remember anyone loving it immediately. I was also a huge THIEF fan and I refused to say HEAT was better than THIEF. Anyway, its one of the best films of the nineties for sure.
rusty wood shootout unrealistic?? Literally the most realistic shootout and movements along with Saving Private Ryan ending. Baffling how u thought that. Glad you like it now.
I think the time period it came out in played into it's early critique. Pulp Fiction had just come out a year earlier and Hollywood seemed to be pushing out multiple crime-drama copycats of that movie. Heat seemed to be more grounded.
So agree with your point about the dissapointment, Rusty. Was just chatting with a friend and, no disrespect to Simmons and Ryan, but totally disagree with their call that the De Niro Pacino meet-up scene is the most memorable. In fact, I would argue it was such a let-down on first watch -- why so many of us went to see the thing in the first place -- that I actually had to rewatch the flick a good few times to have it grow on me and become my fave heist movie ever. I'm okay with the scene now but I think it's everything around it that is so good. The scene itself was not what it was hyped to be.
This movie is so F’ing awesome! One of my favorites as well. There’s only so much you can say about the heist scene when the characters are shooting at police in the streets but undoubtedly that is one of the very best scenes in cinema ever. The suspense is absolutely intoxicating and the choreography of that scene is astounding. It’s like John Wick, but much more believable. The whole movie is awesome and the ending is about as good as it gets in movies, when it’s not a Disney-esque storybook ending. It is a bittersweet ending, but it still feels right and the suspense is palpable all the way to the end. This movie is a classic and the performances are as close to perfect as I’ve ever seen in a film for all the actors collectively. This analysis is also mind-blowing. I’ve always wanted to review movies, but I couldn’t cut even close to as deep as these guys. I’m jealous of their ability to analyze film. Nonetheless, great movie and THE BEST heist movie ever. There are many great heist movies, but this easily takes the cake. Michael Mann is probably the most underrated person in the film industry ever and I say that knowing that many film lovers have a deep love and respect for him. It’s all about Christopher Nolan, Scorsese, Tarantino, and Spielberg, but guys like Michael Mann are what make movies so awesome. I obviously love all of those other guys as well, but Mann’s filmmaking style is unique and leaves you with the feeling of “that was awesome”. He’s a complete filmmaker. 10/10 film and while I enjoy many films, I almost never give movies a 10/10. This movie is as deserving as any for the reasons I listed before. I’m really glad I came across this video. “Best heist movie”? Maybe the best ACTION MOVIE ever made.
I LOVE Heat, but Michael Mann's best movie is The Insider. There's nothing extraneous in that movie. The acting is pitch perfect, it's Crowe's best performance; it's shot amazingly and even its pickup scenes and framing are perfect.
I agree with that,Insider #1. I love Heat,but I actually prefer Thief to it as well,probably James Caan's best performance,fantastic score by Tangerine Dream and great neon cinematography
