Why “Christian Nationalists” Are A Massive Threat 

Right! Where Ya from Brother? My first question was -let's check the Holy Scripts, is that Commanded or Commended? Hallel-YaH

Good job, keep sinning by indulging in the behaviour of worldy people!

We’re not a nation of laws and never have been, we’re nation of political will, and we always will be

Thanks!

Did you end up losing your job?

@@Zaloomination no. I wrote my religious exemption from my deep convictions and wisdom God gave me. 6 of us had our exemptions approved. Although to this day, I must wear N95. And be tested twice a week. I work for a retirement community that is of the " woke" Christianity sadly.

This is quite a challenge when considering missionaries have to take the jab to enter a country. Do we support that? I can’t. Missionaries need discernment more than anyone.

@@michelerivera2330 you sound like you would be an asset to any employer. I hope you can find a different job.

@@paulb7974 thanks 😊. I sure do love the elderly ❤️. And I know God gave me the desire for my life

polarised? what are the two poles?

@@williamnathanael412 right and left...conservative and progressive...us and them...give them whatever names you think are appropriate.

Do you think that the government in 1st century Judea was not corrupt?

@@Bibleguy89-uu3nr I believe all governments are susceptible to corruption. We live in a fallen world

Um no, we don't convince anyone into salvation. We preach Christ crucified, it is that word, it is God that draws people

But I do agree with you assessment of Christian nationalism

Actually it was the jews who pushed Jesus to be killed

Agreed

_"Christian Nationalism is the wrong answer."_ What is the right answer? Outsourcing governance to atheists? I'd rather have Christian Nations than any other religion, and I'd rather have many diverse nations all seeking to honor God while retaining what makes them unique and beautiful in God's eyes than one homogenized globalist government that opposes God at every turn. _"The ancient Jews begged God for a King and they had a few good ones but for the most part was an utter disaster for them."_ Yes... because they rejected the form of government God established and wanted to be like the worldly nations surrounding them (1 Samuel 8: 7). Thus arguably they rejected Christian nationalism for worldliness. _"We are called to be the salt of the earth not its administrators."_ We are called to obey God in whatever situation we find ourselves. If we find ourselves an administrator in civil government, we should honor God by our conduct and do as God commands, not by doing whatever seems right in our own eyes. _"We influence the people or city or nation we live in through evangelism not patriotism."_ Correct. Who says any differently? Aside from supposed "Christians" who seem to hate Godly leaders and so have more in common with atheists, that is. Insofar as "Christian Nationalism" is the new buzz word for Theonomy, Theonomists have always insisted that the road to Christian governments and Christian society is through the faithful preaching of the gospel, not through worldly means. They just believe that God actually changes hearts and minds and promises to continue to grow his kingdom until it fills the whole world. I can see how those that think God and his Church will fail can't imagine any other means other than political force, but that assumption isn't usually shared by the other side. _"There are a lot of things that sound good in this speech but the practicalities of a Christian Nationalism will force you to become an ecclesiastic run state."_ Why? God set up a separation between the church (via the Levitical Priesthood) and the state (via judges and elders). Why wouldn't those keen on using God's established government preserve that distinction? Why shouldn't we correct those who would wrongly try to unify those two spheres? That's as bad as those trying to prevent the Church from being able to speak God's word to those in power. _"Coming up with cleaver catch phrase of not separating Christ from State may get some amen's but how can you possible enforce that without creating the very thing you claim to deny?"_ Cleaver catch phases like "Christian Nationalism" that are seemingly meant to invoke fear rather than address the issues? Why should we assume your claims are true? What positive case would you make? The major problem with "Christian Nationalism" seems to be 99% fearmongering with very little Biblical alternatives being offered. It's always assumed that Christians can't have the blessings God promises for a nation who loves God, so don't even bother voting. And if Christians do vote in a Godly way and win, well, they'd better govern like an atheist or its somehow not fair. The opposition comes across as hating godliness and supporting every evil being pushed on society by the God haters.

@@oracleoftroy Thank you for talking the time for a thorough and well thought out answer. I cant reply to every point or it would be very argumentative so ill try to clear up what I think are our biggest mis understandings. I agree globalism is something all of us should push against. My statement that Christian Nationalism is the wrong answer is in that regard. Creating Christian states is not a good answer for fighting globalism. You cannot enact a Christian state any better than Communists can without an authoritarian government to enforce it. We need our government’s to give us freedom to choose and respect our religion, not to be run by it. You mis understand my point with the ancient Jew’s. When they rejected God as their head they were not rejecting Christian nationalism they were embracing and asking for Jewish Nationalism, the equivalent to Christian nationalism now. They didn’t understand the calling or didn’t feel able to conduct themselves as priests for all nations and wanted to consolidate into one nation instead. The reason I don’t offer a biblical alternative is because there isn’t one. My point is, it is Not biblical for the church to run the state. The state needs to make it so all religions are an option to its population it cannot do that if it’s a Christian state. If the state backs one religion, it must also police that religion. Christian religion isn’t meant to enforce itself on a population and the moment you make it head of state it will.

Christian nationalism seems to be a response by some well meaning individuals on taking head-on a culture that is becoming increasingly sinful. What I hear this pastor say is really an extension of conservative politics with an infusion of some Christian phrases. But the idea that we as Christians are called to take over and run governments seems more like us taking on a task we were not called to. There's really no clear directives from either Christ all the Apostles that this is the ultimate goal for the church. Yes, we are called to be salt and light in our Christian witness. In the Great Commission, the preaching of the gospel has led to persecution, abuse, insults, imprisonment and even martyrdom. What Jesus asks of us seemingly places us at a disadvantage in a culture that wants to exert power over us: if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn the other cheek; love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you; if anyone forces you to go a mile, go with them two miles; give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away the one who wants to borrow from you. I wonder what Christian nationalists would make of these teachings of Jesus as a basis for the legislation of laws. If the pastor is complaining about mask requirements which he finds to be an infringement on his rights, I wonder how he would apply Christ's imperatives in Matthew 5 to current realities face by Christians.

@@lawrencekuhlman9405 _"You cannot enact a Christian state any better than Communists can without an authoritarian government to enforce it."_ Here I strongly disagree. I think the power of the gospel to change hearts and minds is powerful enough to create change in a community. If someone becomes a Christian, it is life transforming. When a society becomes christian, the whole society is transformed for the better. Such a transformation will naturally be followed with a disdain for worldly laws that do not reflect God's word and a desire to model our civil justice systems on what God has proscribed as God knows better than sinful man how to organize ourselves. And I'd seriously question how "Christian" and "authorization" can go together at all. I suspect the people who think that way are the same people who label as authoritarian those who want everyone to have individual sovereignty to make their own decisions without government oversight all while inflating government into a totalitarian menace. "Authoritarian" is not at all what I find in the actual ideas of those who would embrace the "Christan Nationalist" label, but is what I see in most of the alternatives being offered. _"We need our government’s to give us freedom to choose and respect our religion, not to be run by it."_ This is completely backwards from the start and the complete opposite of how government should function. This description of yours is what tyranny and authoritarianism looks like. You don't get your right to worship from the government, you already have that right. The authoritarian government took that away from you and is telling you to be happy with the scrips they decide to let you keep. Rather than beg government for that freedom, we need to assert that the right is already ours and tell the government to bugger off. _"You mis understand my point with the ancient Jew’s."_ The Bible is quite clear that the Hebrews were rejecting God. The Bible says nothing specific about what is happening in the hearts and minds of people today who support or reject Christian Nationalism, so I think it is highly improper to impute a motive to them, especially when it does not match their stated motive. And moreover, from what I observe, those who are for Christian Nationalism want society to look more like what God has proscribed, not less like the Jews did. And those who oppose it often seem to be the defenders of the current degeneracy that is filling our schools and culture. I think it would be far better to make a positive case for a position than decry the side that wants more Christianity in our culture or make the appearance of supporting the current evil status quo. _"The reason I don’t offer a biblical alternative is because there isn’t one."_ That's telling, and all the more reason to be a Christain Nationalist. There is no alternative. _"My point is, it is Not biblical for the church to run the state."_ 100% agreed. That's why God made a distinction between the church via the Leviticus Priesthood and the state via judges and elders. I want the same Biblical distinction made in my own nation. But to push back against your earlier statement again, it is also not Biblical for the state to give permission to the church to worship. Both are separate spheres of authority established by God, and conflating them in either direction is moving away from a Christian Nation as God proscribes in his word. _"The state needs to make it so all religions are an option to its population it cannot do that if it’s a Christian state."_ Needs to? Why? Are there limits to this? _"If the state backs one religion, it must also police that religion."_ Why? And if a state backs all religions, it must also police all religions, right? That is wrong and the very authoritarianism I want to avoid. The whole premise of yours is wrong. Civil government has no place presiding over church government. It is a completely different sphere. I reject your authoritarian ideas to the uttermost. _"Christian religion isn’t meant to enforce itself on a population and the moment you make it head of state it will."_ And who is advocating for this? It is telling that the only solutions you see are authoritarian, yet you accuse us of being the authoritarians. Do you not see any way that God's kingdom which is not of this world but still in this world might spread to every people via any other means besides force? To me it sounds like you lack faith in the power of the gospel to change people and can only see human force bringing about such change. I don't share that assumption. The gospel is my hope for a Christian Nation. Not force. God is mighty to save.