Why 96% of Indie Games Fail 

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TLDR: game dev is more like opening a startup than simply making a game

Something I always keep in mind is that Scott Cawthon made 72 games before FNAF, and FNAF was his first big success. It wasn't even the biggest thing he made or was most excited about. But the guy kept going, kept making games, he'd been making games for 18 years at that point and was working at a dollar store when he made it. It was made in response to feedback calling his stuff creepy and animatronic like.

11:43 a recent indie dev that made great marketing was VA Proxy ''you can parry a nuke''

"The riches are in the niches" -Alex Hormozi.

I've heard similar advice coming from several areas of software development. 1 - Find intrinsic motivation in what you do. Don't think you can wear yourself out until you find success, because you're more likely to collapse before that. Development doesn't get easier, there's always new problems. You better like the process of solving them. 2 - Get feedback. It doesn't matter how long or hard you worked on something, it will break on sometime else's hand. The sooner you can get others to test your product the better. 3 - You always get something out of every project you deliver in the form of growth and experience that can't be measured. Don't get attached to your creations and ideas. Many people don't even start because they fear their idea will be stolen and they won't get credit. Think that the real value is in you and not what you create, and always give your best because it's the kind of stuff that the more you give, the more you have.

I feel like this is good advice on paper, but pretty bad advice in practice. You basically pinpoint a roadmap to create a relatively successful average game that will make, in the best realistic outcome, significantly less than an average job in any other fields. In other words, you're saying "just create another gatcha/coc clone". As another person in the comment section put it "if you want to make money, do something else". You're greatly underestimating the sheer importance of creative vision, what you said about the market doesn't actually resonate with the player-base or with the recent history of game titles. "Why do AAA games succeed while indie games fail?" well because they can rely on a much stronger infrastructure both economically and practically, but while that is true in terms of sole numbers, in the last 20 years triple AAA titles ALWAYS LOST in terms of relative cost of production (compared to financial success) against the most liked indie games of the year, most of which come from anonymous, single developers hungry for innovation. From the Binding of Isaac, to Terraria, to Minecraft, to Lethal Company or Among Us, indie titles made by small studios have completely eclipsed huge game developers that, precisely by following marketing trends like you suggest, create corporate slob gaming experiences that people only like so much. If you genuinely believe titles like modern Pokemon games are better than the average fad indie game of the month because they make more money (and they only do because once again they can rely on unsinkable corporate ships, not because they actually create good products) than you're not really in the position to give advice. While yes, I agree that you should research your market and be more pragmatical on your developing process, at the same time you should remember that if you don't have a personal vision that allows for the creation of something new and worthwhile, then you're just better off getting another job.

Solo Indie devs don't make games because of money. I mean yeah the money is a bonus to look forward to. But they do it mainly for passion. They want their art out there.

It's easy to see why most indie devs stop after 1 game. I mean, many spend several years on a game and they probably think it's hard to justify another commitment like that with the risk of another failure.

We are 2 devs, we made $150k on our first game (Bonding Ambivalence on Steam) by filling a niche. Indeed it's very important to analyze your sub-market! In our case, we started with an idea that our friends liked, then broadened the execution by mixing game styles that we liked (Dead Space, We Were Here, Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes etc.). We're trying to develop a second one, but we don't know if we'll be able to go through with it, we feel like we're starting from scratch against giants who occupy people's full attention. This is the most difficult and psychologically exhausting experience of our lives. On the other hand, the feeling of being in steam's top 400 for a few hours is a once-in-a-lifetime experience. Let's see where it goes!

Felt like this video didn't really distinguish between continuous and discontinuous innovation. The Henry Ford quote refers to discontinuous change, like how Apple launched the iPod and iPhone. Along those lines, genre innovation or mashups can see outsized success for a small gamedev team. Continuous change means a much more competitive and incremental market.

See, I am making a game I WANT. not to sell, not to make money, not to succeed to others. I am making the game I have always wanted and never found. it might take years or even centuries. its my hobby and I enjoy it. I will iterate over it millions of times to get it the way I WANT it. I have no reason to give up, nothing to stop me or slow me.

Really great video! The commercial stats are indeed a bit depressing but being able to build and play something you built yourself is a magical feeling!

This is my favorite video of yours yet! (And not just because you highlighted my game 😅) I’ve fallen in love with the development process of game creation - I hadn’t thought of it in those terms before, but it’s such a good point that the process is more valuable than the singular game I may be working on at the time. Thanks for the awesome video!

been thinking of making a indie game m a web dev and didnt study game dev but its a hobby of mine to learn how game dev works nice having videos like this

Let's be honest. There are usually 2 reasons for games failing: - No marketing - The game is trash/boring Tis the truth

ego is a big part of everyone's problems.. and we ALL do that mistake. We've worked SO hard on a project, spent days researching, working etc just to get a random schmuk telling us we're doing something wrong.. and we can't take the critic and just dismiss it. we're all guilty of that at one point, overcoming this will change your life

My best friend made a cute little flash game in college where he created all the art in MS paint, and made the characters Pixels that he also created in MS Paint, and it was a small platformer with witty commentary (he wasnt a witty dude, hes so chill and down to earth so it was pretty interesting) and he wasnt selling it, but it was pretty popular on campus. I was playing it during lunch and someone asked me what it was and when i told him, he asked for a copy and next thing i knew quite a few people were playing it and coming up to him and telling him how fun it is. He did 0 research, and doesnt create games today (he grew out of that phase sadly...), but i truly believe if he stuck to that and created games that he likes to play, he wouldve created a hit or 2 by now.

Lots of good advice in this video. I was very surprised to be quoted right at the start.

Something that comes up again and again on YT is indie devs making their "dream game". I'm so glad that this video is tapping into that "Dream game" mentality. Your dream is not everyone else's dream. It's either a hobby or a job and if you want to do this as a job, you gotta make your player base's dream game. ...said a studio that goes by the name of DREAMteck xD

I'd also would say that not saturating the market with mediocre pixel art, rogue-like, souls-like, metroidvanias, etc, is something to take into consideration.

this was one of the most eye opening videos on game dev I've ever seen. Also loved the amount of shout outs to other gaming channels, felt like a cross over. And props on pulling off that awesome Ted lasso 'stache!

One should definitely create the game they're excited about. It doesn't make sense to focus on pleasing others because otherwise, you'll lose motivation in the process. Anyone who doesn't understand this has absolutely no clue about game development. There is no long-term motivation if one does not do what they themselves are enthusiastic about. I made this mistake and completely lost my motivation over several years because instead of being innovative, I simply conformed to the market

I fall more into the mindset of I can't fail long as I created what I truly wanted. I don't really care much about the money or how many folk play it, I create to see my dreams come true, which can never be a waste of time. Also yes it is good to research who your main viewership will be ahead of time, but I will argue to be careful with boxing yourself into certain genres & cliches to much, as that can lead to just copying what other people do instead of making something that feels creative & natural... I hate media that feels overly checklisty in how it was made.

Thanks for the awesome video as always! Currently working on a 2D indie game myself/ solo (in addition to a full-time job), really found this insightful -- especially the idea of where to put the passion. Reminds me a lot of what they teach us about startups -- fail early, fail fast. With that being said, I can only hope I am in the right direction haha XD

Because the market is now over-saturated? For example after seeing how successful Vampire Survivors (auto-shooter, waves of enemies, upgrades that make you way OP) was the number of copycats of it are now in the hundreds. It basically became so successful it became a genre. How can you make money when your game is up against 200 others that are almost identical?

Super well made video, thanks for taking the time to deliver points in a super clean way. It's surprising the amount of indie devs that question why their game didn't sell well and completely ignore the business side of the whole thing.

You're talking about money. Money, money, money... And this is what fails you. You don't want to make ineresting game, you want to earn money. And this is why 96% of Indie Games Fail. Because 96% of Indie game developers trying to earn money instead of making games. They produce product for consumers, not make games for gamers.

It's something i notice in some indie games i buy is that they either try to do too much or too little and you can see what they were trying to do but could never really tell when they got off track. I'll sometimes buy something to pass the time and dont get very far in before i want to play anything else, i sometimes buy something that looks substantial but tries to throw in something unique and it just doesn't make the game that fun. This is coming from someone who hasn't really made a game, but i have played a wide range of both good and bad.

counterpoint: If you make something thats actually new and fresh you can ignore half of the vid you still need to market yourself and talk about your game tho, its strong points and what distinguishes you from all the other peasants if you make a game for sole purpose of selling as many copies as possible by making a copy of a game thats already a copy of different game, you need to do all that extra crap as well, because people already played the original so why should they play your watered down version? So dont make Match 3 Puzzle, dont make another Vampire Survivor, dont make next Jump King because theres so many copies of those games floating around your "spin" will just get lost in all the garbage, make something original, something new and different and market those differences

Nice Video Man!, I was sad by the end but that twist to a happy ending was excellent.

You made a video about indie games and tried to promote 'tanks but no tanks' but 4 days later the it has the same amount of reviews. Marketers thinks people are stupid and they'll buy anything if it's well addvertised. But the truth is people are not strupid, and they won't by shitty product no matter how hard you try to advertise it

2:49 The Stormlight Archive is my favorite series too. "Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination" is my all time favorite passage in literature.

"don't take everything to heart" accompanied by a shot of Phil Fish 🤣

The key is basically to have a combination of good visuals that catch the eye and inspire, have fun and engaging gameplay that has enough complexity and feels polished enough that it doesn't feel like some school project, and of course good marketing. There is a shitload of indie devs that upload small projects with boring visuals and zero marketing, which is why the stats look so daunting. This is probably what you should be doing if you're starting off. Just spam a ton of small projects, and learn form each one. You will, eventually, reach a point where you become skilled enough to create something with quality visuals and gameplay, and back it up with some good marketing. Obviously easier said than done. Oh, and don't neglect the audio and animations.

I was just doing something else with this in the background when I heard “to quote The Way of Kings” I froze and second guessed whose video I was watching. Stormlight is one of my favorites too, I love that you chose that quote.

Your point about marketing adding value to the viewer is something that hits me with a lot of RU-vid videos. I see a thumbnail, a title, and the channel name, and my first questions are ALWAYS "Why should I care?" and "Why should I trust you?". It's a topic I've been thinking about a lot lately, and if you have more content on that, it would be a must-watch for me. First of your videos I've seen, and you've earned my sub! Awesome stuff here.

This is a really well narrated video and you make some very valid points along the way. But can i just say the video leaves a rather bitter after taste. The reason ? The main point of the video seems to be that you should research your markets better, and let the market dictate your final product. Or in other words i feel that the message of this video is that you've only succeeded if your final product is a commercial success. Many creative projects are finished and released(especially in the world of music) and never amass a suitable financial reward despite being of huge value to those who've discovered and appreciated the product. In the world of music "commercial success" is often equated to: "creative failure". Just because an album is platinum it doesn't necessarily mean the finished product is of creative worth. Some of the biggest contemporary albums/videogames/movies will ultimately be forgotten about in the history vaults 100 years down the line whilst creative niche classics are eventually pulled out and hailed as being before their time. My advice would be to make a videogame that you respect yourself. If you're worried about paying the bills then allocate your time for dual purpose creativity: make the commercial game(that you still respect) whilst allocating an amount of by-time to the more risky, experimental project, that you don't just respect but deeply love. We should never forget that videogames are an artform. An artist which focuses more on money than creativity will always be distracted from their upmost creative potential. Money tends to corrupt and curtail art, not unleash a pure imaginarium built for a spiritual purpose.

My steam game just barely made all the money back. But the vicious comments I got was brutal and stomped my passion to want to make another

Solid video through and through. Saving (and subscribing) so I can come back and watch in a few months! Cheers!

imagine stanley kubrick failing at making a movie. do you want to know why it never happened? because he was a film maker. the reason indie games "fail" is because they are not made by game developers.

When you talk about listening to the right people, I am right away reminded of Salt and Sanctuary. They brought in all these playtesters and almost all of them complained that the game was too hard. But only one of them was a fan of Dark Souls. That one tester was the only one they listened to, because all the others weren't interested in their game to begin with.

Wow, you nailed it right in the head! I literally was asking Tim Cain on his channel for advice, because we haven't been able to, not only not return a profit for any game we worked on till now, but we can't even finish them for the high cost and devtime of making a game that "might" sell. We have been focusing solely on landing a deal with a publisher and failed each time. Someone read my comment and was like "bro, here are some GDC videos, look at what Super Meat Boy did and good luck!" and I was like, man, if it was only that easy. Gamedev is hard, but doing it in a thirld world country must be a challenge from the gods. I've been doing this for 11 years and not published a single game. 30 unreleased prorotypes (with huge preproduction times) and 3-4 of them almost on production phase with a nice vertical slice. Finishing a game is the first threshold and its already a high mountain to cross. Cause, its not only the idea, or the process, but the team and the tools you develop along it. Everytime we failed, we scope down. Currently we are working on something that we know we can finish and publish on our own. But like you said, I don't know if we'll be able to surivve for 3 more games or something in the numbers of John Romero. But hey, at least we must try! Hopefully if you enjoy the process and making the game, then it's not so hard when it flops and fails miserably. Great video, man! Really needed it.

Very inspirational, I've been trying to figure out ways to spruce up my own devlogs and find that right audience!

I get what you're saying and agree with most of your takes. But I think this business & market-oriented games will always lack creativity and originality or at least the devs will have to sacrifice a small part of it's creativity and originality. And I personally feel that this is exactly what we need right now, as the AAA studios give us mostly games that feel like a hollow copy of a copy and that's the reason I prefer to look for Indie Games in the first place, because they actually bring something new.

"Good game will sell itself" is the biggest lie indie developers tell themselves

Amazing video! #1 Changing your passion, really resonated with me. It's such a good way to look at it.

Just started sharing my journey on here. Thank you for sharing videos like this. They, truly help.

This is all helpful information! I've been working on an indie game for a while myself and recently started to learn about the business side of development. Hopefully I'm doing more right than wrong! Finding passion on the journey is good advice across a lot of endeavors, especially anything creative.

" like I'm doing right now " >looks in description he fucking got me.

How to draw an owl 1) sketch basic shapes 2) draw the rest of the owl Step 4) Market your game to the right audience encapsulates this pretty well. lmao.

Thanks for making this, Cam! This was a great look into the business side of gaming, a facet that not nearly enough people give love to. I for one am extremely interested in a video going into marketing for games. I’m one of those oddballs who’s more interested in marketing games than making them. The happy tanks party game failing to gain traction from a Counterstrike video was an eye opener, and told me that there’s a LOT to learn about marketing. Thanks again.

Thank you for the content, I alway enjoy taking a break from indie game dev to enjoy your videos!

A good trick to avoid being sucked into a passion idea is to make a large list of game ideas before choosing one. Aim for 50. 40 of them will be crap or unoriginal; Dump them. (The 80-20 rule) Of the remaining 10, 8 will be good but too big for a first project; Save them for later. (The 80-20 rule again) Then you're left with 2. Pick one of those 2 and stick to it. You'll often wonder if you should have chosen the other one, but then you'll realize you'd be asking the same question about this idea if you had chosen otherwise.

Something really cool about this video is the fact that the advice you are giving to game developers is also the exact same method you are using on this video: hitting the right demographic, providing value, and encouraging engagement. You made me want to watch the video, so if there was any evidence of this method working, we can literally use your video as that evidence. Well done!

Ideas are way more important than execution. You can see a fair amount of unique games out there amongst the successful games, but look upon all the failures and you'll find an endless supply of ____-inspired clones. Coming up with a good idea may not happen right away, but it is trivially easy compared to the rest of development. Stop making preexisting games. Make something unique.

Wow! This is a great video amd you seem like a nice, knowledgeable guy. Thank you! 👏🏻

I agree and disagree. The reason why alot of indie games see success was because of its interisting content, the creativity. Making a game with business in mind limits the creativity and thus likely making the game uninteresting as why would they play game from unknown devs that others had already done. And the fact that some indie games today that are now successful were never created with business in mind.

Comparing those guys and the time they used to live in with an indie game developer these day is close to snake oil sale. The market is so saturated that even if you do create a great game, chances are that people will cry about it, try to pull doom today and see the result. Reality is that people expect way too much and indie developers don't get excused from the equation either, if you sell shit, price it as one don't slap $99 on it .

as a professional game developer for over 4 years in the mobile game industry I can say that you are %100 true. you can make the best game, have the best effects, increadible visual effects animations sounds and so on. However, if no one knows your game thats your game is a failure. And not just that. Like u said in the video, players do now always want the most polished or visually stunning or unique mechanics. the target audience is really important. What you enjoy does not mean others will enjoy it too. We spend lots of money on prototypes, AB tests, ads, and other test to understand our target market. I really recommend for everyone who is a mobile, indie, web game developer or even has a indie team to watch this video a couple of times and really think about it. marketing does not start when you finish the game, it starts once you think about the idea

Reminds me of that Peanuts strip where Lucy asks Schroeder, 'What happens after 20 years of practicing piano if you still end up broke and not famous?' He replied, 'The joy is in the playing.'

I already made 6 personal projects before the game I am currently working on. None of them were fun. But I have lots of confidence for my current project because I have gotten some pretty good comments from people that are really interested in my game

Incredible video! So much value in these advice. Thanks a lot for sharing!

As someone making an indie game with full awareness it'll never be "worthy of a sale", perusing one of the forums I visit more often, it's incredible how listening to feedback seems to be the exception, rather than the rule. Devs that are way in over their heads is one of the most common problems, they have this huge, complex idea and ignore everyone telling them to dial back on promised features. This for "simple" RPG Maker games and Visual Novels, more often than not. As said, you don't have to listen to every piece of feedback, but when the majority of feedback point to the same problem, then you should definitely work on that. I've also helped a fellow with playtesting his current beta version of a game, his message when he sent me a copy was "I think there are only 2 bugs left" - I've found one money exploit, one possible infinite exp exploit (repeating a boss fight), several problems with the save/load system, plus a myriad of other problems. He knew I was going to be thorough, so I'm hopeful he'll work on fixing most of those things.

Where is your indie studio bro

Thanks for the great video. I am about to launch my game page soon. I will be thinking about your video. Might rewatch it later.

Great video as always. No wonder you blew off, keep that good content coming 😀👍.

This is a gold mine of ideas, for game devs, but also just pursuits (business, sports, etc) in general. Great work

I’ve had this game idea in my mind for years. Boxman, the explanation is long, but it is a surface level cute but underline cosmic horror game. I’ve been in the planning stage for 5 years and just started my dev journey. It may be 10 years before I get to make the game as big as I see it. Maybe it won’t blow up, but I plan to make a game no one has seen before and I’m taking it one step at a time

This is the perfect video for where I'm at on my first game. Sorry I did already write some code but I'm gonna go dig around more. Luckily my day job is content marketing so I have a decent head start on some elements of all this

Thanks for making this video! It will surely help me forming a game development/distribution company.

Making a game is the most fun game I've ever played.

It’s ironic that the channel is named “Going Indie” when this vid says that 96% of Indie video games fail

Fantastic video, I agree on every point 👏 A few weeks ago I launched my first commercial game on Steam (EVERING) and as I watched the video I was quite satisfied. I knew beforehand the market, the target audience, sales forecast... until I got to the marketing. That's where I'm sure I should have done better. And I will do it in my future games, because my passion project is not just a game, but to work making games. I worked in several studios that fell into the same mistakes you mention and went bankrupt before they could release a game or even have something to show, so I don't even have a portfolio to show. I decided to use the experience I gained to show the world that it is possible. Now my goal is to make money to be able to continue 💪

I feel that first tip hard. I have dipped my hands in so many artistic practices. Drawing, editing, 2d model rigging. I'm always proud of what I made, but I never found a passion for the process of making it.

I started paying way more attention to how other games handle mechanics or situations I want to use. As a more casual RPG fan I want to make a fun open world first person RPG. So I absolutely played some Skyrim, hated the combat hated the magic. I wanted something with a punch but without going to the more chivalry side bam vermintide 2’a combat I remember always being fun & engaging. As for magic idk but I do know I want a charge spell system.

Because most of indie games are too casual/ simple and aren't polished/ big enough. Only a few indie game developers can make something like V Rising

I wasn't expecting a Way of Kings screamer, it's the 4th random video on RU-vid I see where the book is mentioned HAAHAH (love your videos + stormlight too!!)

This is definitely one of the better videos on this topic I've seen. I have been in the AAA business for nearly 20 years, and am slowly dipping my toes into indie development on the side. A lot of good information here. Would love to talk with you more at some point in the future. What's the best way to contact you?

Really interesting discussion, and I already knew what the fourth was going to be before you said it. Seems to be a recurrent issue, isn't it? On a different note, I was thinking about another "staple" of game culture, have you considered talking about pre-ordering and the difference from kickstarting, if there is a difference. Yet seen in completely opposite light.

I noticed, if you want your game to succeed more often just make a 3d, multiplayer game. look at lethal company, phasmophobia, content warning... if these games were singleplayer and 2d with same concept it would be bad and boring... well tbh even 2d is good, but multiplayer boosts success rates a ton... barotrauma is one example that game is amazing

you mentioned about research, but how do you research? what do you type in google to search to get the data you needed? or is there a website that i can go to get the whole graphs of market for each genre tags?

A very business-focused approach here. I think the first few though a very relevant The difference between success and failure is perseverance. Fail fast, adapt and grow.

A lot of this advice can apply to me as an animator, so thank you for this!

The Ford quote is actually really smart and used often in User Experience Design. He is not implying that he didn't talk to people and that he didn't ask the question. He is saying that had he asked that question directly and just given people what they said they wanted, he would have given faster horses (if physically possible). What he did instead is listen to the core of the issue, what people were really struggling with. They were looking for a solution to go faster and they had no idea outside of horses so... They asked for faster horses. A true problem solver like Ford had to break away from the "given solution" the "what people said they needed" and find the actual way to solve their problem.

I work at a tabletop games company and the lessons here are just as relevant in that industry - Know your audience, know your market, be passionate about refining your work process, market like a champ, don't forget about the business. Always good to hear the same strong lessons from another point of view.

Great video, I'll keep all of this in mind going forward Question, what is the background music???

Solid advice. Love your videos, you really give another view to look at.

I hate the general idea that people who make things shouldn't ask others what they want or don't want. Unfortunately, a lot of big tech game developers like Riot Games do this all the time and it has massively hurt the trust between the players and the developers because the devs DO NOT know what the players want and refuse to listen to them because they don't like the way the criticism is directed towards them. It's extremely petty stuff, especially for big tech that claims to care about players.

The problem is that the market (and society but we won't get into that) is too fragmented for any game to really take off like the old days, people don't just watch a few big youtubers anymore, and word of mouth just isn't what it used to be. You have to compete with a thousand other games, many of which are going to be released on the same day as your game, and there's no guaranteeing that your game which you love and worked on (your baby, more or less) is going to be loved and cared for by other people. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but that just doesn't cut it on the open market.

Choosing the right genre and adding things like multiplayer co-op can really make the difference. I have 3 games on Steam with only 1 selling over 1.5k It's a survivors-like and I keep players coming back with weekly content updates, driving sales via word of mouth (and their friends seeing them play).

Gonna be honest, I thought this video was just going to be another run of the mill "Heres THREE things you NEED to KNOW before making a game!!!!!!", but what a breath of fresh air. Completely grounded and sound advice to give. I'm just a hobby game dev, but this really showed me how much deeper the rabbit hole can go!

Fantastic video! This has got me rethinking my own marketing approach for my game.

8:22 HELP what is this game, looks so fun

Never make your passion project your first game. You need years of experience to hone your craft. Once you become more comfortable then when you go to make your passion project it will come out better and more well executed than it ever would have. And that alone is what can make you successful. For example Cellar Door Games that made Rogue Legacy and Motion Twin that made Dead Cells they actually used to work on mobile/browser games for years before they decided to stop making those and make their passion project on pc/consoles. There's many more examples like that. Just start off creating small projects to get better.

Tfw this is just a ploy for me to play "Tanks But No Tanks"! On a serious note, thanks for the vid. Kinda what I was looking for when trying to decide what sort of game to make.

My game won’t fail (I hope) it’s a 2D retro 8bit style platformer that I’ve spent the last 13 years making and invested all my own money in plus 9 loans from the bank and 4 maxed out credit cards. When it’s a big success hopefully my wife and children will come back to me 😅.

this is helping me see im in the right direction. having fun with the creative prosses. and been told start small project so sed ok smaller project it is. spent 4 days and after went dang this is alot. took my strugles and went cool now I now how to deal with so not as daunting and proud past hrudle and now i can now use that XP in the future.

One magic word: Emersion! Graphics/sound, Game physics, realism, complex and deep gameplay mechanics all help greatly to immerse myself into game. I want to feel like i'm in the game. Just "fun" shallow gameplay without any depth.complexity and pretty graphics just don't do it for me.. I would chose battlefield over battlebit any day because of emerson 😑 Thats also why I own a "fullfledged" motion sim racing rig with VR and triple monitors. Cost me a fortune but it doesn't get more immersive than that 😅 Basically if a game gets me totally lost in all the detail,realism and possibilities I'm willing to pay for it.

Great example of listening to people is Techland. They always listen to their community, talk to us, get our feedback good or bad. They learn on what they did wrong and change things to what we want. For me they are Number One Developer when it comes to it.