Why A Removable eBike Battery Is Important - Or Not!

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Neil Donoghue dives into his thoughts on the pros and cons of non-removable batteries in eMTBs. While fully integrated batteries are sleek and can offer a lighter frame deisgn, they can make charging and maintenance less convenient, especially for riders without easy access to power where they store the bike. As eBike tech evolves with better battery range and faster chargers, will non-removable batteries become the standard of the future?
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@embn 4 дня назад

What do you think about removable or non-removable batteries?

@BazippysVideos 4 дня назад

Give me a bolt on anyday, I love being able to take the battery inside after each ride. Keeping a battery in nicer conditons and temps is far better for it.

@andyarchitect 4 дня назад

It's not a deal breaker for me but it's much easier to charge them off the bike, and I would miss the ability to reduce the bike's weight getting it in and out the car. Although not the best aesthetically the externally mounted batteries are still the most practical design (apart from the loss of a bottle cage).

@wilko2907 3 дня назад

Definitely removable for me due to storage issues and if anything goes wrong with battery it’s a simple swap no bike shop required But on a different note the non removable does make a more sleek finish to the frame

@drahoslavhorvath 4 дня назад

Non removable battery is absolutely no go for me. My bike storage is without heating, and I don't want to store battery in freezing temperature during winter.

@plainuser48596 3 дня назад

Yes, agreed. Batteries should be "standard" and interchangeable between bikes - sure make 2-3 standards, but no "vendor locking".

@oddarneroll 3 дня назад

Non removable is out of the question. Cold winters in Norway. And more than one bike on car bike rack. Also it needs to be removable without turning your bike upside down. Love my Scott Genious.

@andersonsridebikes 3 дня назад

I won’t purchase an EMTB without a battery that can be quickly swapped. I almost always leave the house with 2 batteries on my weekend rides. I can burn through both 630wh batteries in about 4-5 hours, depending on where I’m riding.

@mickelson117 3 дня назад

Good summary. I’m intrigued by the comment about future tech coming that will make removable batteries as light as the non-removables ones. The only way I can see that happening is with a modular battery (within the downtube), which is something I’ve been touting for a while. Imagine allowing riders to choose between a 300, 600, or combined 900 wh battery for their ride. You could take the lighter option for a session on the dirt jumps or bike park and then go for a bike adventure ride the next day on the stacked 900. This only works on a battery system that is easily removable. I’m just not a fan of external range extenders that take the spot of the water bottle and add the weight higher up on the bike.

@nomad-pq4yw8iy7v 3 дня назад

Actually they're is talk about lighter batteries period. Another words a 900 wh battery that is lighter then todays 900 wh battery.

@sety409 4 дня назад

I’d take a small removable battery to swap out between laps and keep the bike lighter. I Also needed it in the past for apartment (flat) charging.

@markcosens1 4 дня назад

Would not buy a bike without a removable battery. Mainly for fitting the 2nd at lunchtime for a full days riding. However as you mentioned, when super fast charging is a thing, like the new amflow bike, a fixed battery would bother me less.

@Titot182 3 дня назад

My Trek Rail makes battery charging after those sloppy winter FoD night rides an absolute cinch! Nice toasty warm study that's maintained at 18°C means the battery is at the optimum temperature for taking in charge. It's only very recently have I bothered charing the battery in the garage, now that I've rearranged the space so that it's more efficient. But that's taken me 3 years. It's also ideal for just making the thing easier to handle when you're lugging it onto the roof, or even the boot after a wet ride! Energy density vs weight of cells is plodding along nicely, but even for a lower torque motored ebike, having the option to slide it out of its svelte tube wouldn't go amiss.

@YngveSjo 4 дня назад

Well, in cold climates it's better to yank the battery and store it inside at a suitable charge level. It will also give you slightly better range once you brave the snow, ice and sub zero degrees to scratch that itch to ride 😁 And another thing, with an EV with V2L or any car plus inverter, you can charge it when going from one trail to another, having a lunch brake at a shuttle spot in the wild etc...

@JohnMalcolm-g3h 3 дня назад

Here in Australia if you want to fly with your bike the battery has to be removed, if it’s under 160w/h it can come in your hand luggage and handily the same spec as specialized range extender. The larger battery has to go by road transport. The Kenevo sl is a bit of a pain to remove/ install.

@jokermtb 3 дня назад

Living in Michigan where we get months of below freezing temperatures, having an ebike with a removable battery is a minimum requirement for me. My house is also from 1924 and wrangling inside my Transition Relay (easily removable battery) would be a major PITA.

@TheBarnz91 3 дня назад

I have a trance e+0 and again, a removable battery is a must for me for the reasons stated in this thread! Takes about 20 seconds to remove my battery and I have the ability to upgrade it to the 900 wh battery if needs be!!

@chriscowan6630 Час назад

Living near the rocky mountains here in Alberta, there's simply no market for non-removable battery EMTB's......below zero nights can start early Oct and run through until late April annually....bringing the battery inside for charging and/or storage on cold nights protects the investment we made in the bike.

@123cyberaug321 3 дня назад

Easily removable battery is a MUST! I see zero reason not to have a removable battery, the small weight increase is a non issue on a emtb.

@did4h2k 3 дня назад

i just got an orbea wild from 2021, big selling point was the removable battery (besides the unbelievable 2.5k€ price). which got stuck on day 1, so for now i have to carry my bike up 4 floors.... still havnt found the courage to really yank on the battery to get it out ;)

@pwiles1968 2 дня назад

Love my removable battery, BPW quick change at lunch can even be charging one while riding on the other, other big one is winter charging my battery will not charge when it gets too cold outside.

@scottstone1444 3 дня назад

In AZ it is too hot to store the battery in the garage

@wrongusername 3 дня назад

Removable is the way to go. Easier to maintain. More safe! Batteries do burn down houses. It's a good idea to store it in some fireproof container. Still easier said than done. Big ebike batteries store a scary amount of energy!

@DanielG-p1q 3 дня назад

Tturning the bike upside down or ugly plastic covers are a no go. The RIB2.0 is light, easy, safe and a propper downtobe protection all at once. Already used it at the Rail+ prototype and it's really nice.

@cliffsangelsphotography 3 дня назад

Removable for the win. My garage is separate from my apartment unit; I always remove the battery to charge inside and away from elements

@richdevil77 2 дня назад

Never removed my Levo SL battery! Happy it is integrated 👍

@nomad-pq4yw8iy7v 3 дня назад

Great job bringing up the fact they are not really non-removable but, more like not that easy to remove. I think their are many people that don't realize that.

@barneyklingenberg4078 3 дня назад

when you need the comforts of an workshop to swap the battery It's non removeable in practice. Your not going to take out the battery when it freezes when it's that much effort.

@nomad-pq4yw8iy7v 3 дня назад

@@barneyklingenberg4078 Yes it's a pain in the butt but, the point is it is still removable. So while it is a factor all is not lost. There are reason for that type of setup both good and bad. That being said My current battery is removable the easy way. However it doesn't currently get removed often and yes would be pretty much a no go when I was running two batteries.

@jbdbsb 12 часов назад

Removable is a must. I don't think I could own an ebike with a non-removable battery, unless they start making some truly large batteries. My Norco Range VLT has a 900wh and I have spares. If I want to do a 50+ mile ride, I have to change batteries. I have an Evoc trail E-ride pack for my spare. .

@Skankovic 3 дня назад

Even pulling it out of the bottom is a problem if commuting or using it not in the trails. Trek have it sorted.

@Edwordless 2 дня назад

Was waiting to hear about whether you can ride with the batteries dropped out or not. Missed it! It;s easy enough to remove my battery from my Marin Alpine Trail, but you can’t ride without it per manufacturer. Imagine that is the case with others too; however, would be interested to hear which ones can effectively convert quickly to an analog bike ready to ride trails that don’t allow e-bikes, or just to drop some weight for some trail riding.

@HighlineEMTB 18 часов назад

Orbea used the wild frame without a battery or motor in a race 🤩

@HighlineEMTB 18 часов назад

I had the funds to buy a newer orbea wild but bought the older version simply so i could remove the battery for security (less likely to be nicked)-storage reasons (keeping cells temp controlled when not in use ) and charging at b&b’s (just way more convenient)… the alternative gains aren’t big enough to consider a fixed battery.

@tomeveleigh 3 дня назад

I have an Orbea Rise, and it’s an absolute pain, I’m never buying an e-bike without a removable battery again.

@kraigvanderwyk1153 3 дня назад

At first I thought, non removable means when your battery expires , your 5-$10,000 bike is done. Like a Tesla. But he mentioned right away that is not easily removable which is fine. Now, the most important reason I can think of to have a battery easily and quickly removable is in the case of a compromised battery either from damage or over charged/discharged in which lithium batteries are know to catch fire. It needs to be easy to quickly remove and save the rest of the bike from burning.

@SonnyDarvishzadeh 3 дня назад

I don't know any ebike from reputable brand in Europe to catch fire. It would be a massive news here. Even without insurance and warranty, the brand will likely replace eveything for you to save their own reputation.

@kraigvanderwyk1153 День назад

Will they replace your garage, house or your life? I’ve personally seen several lithium batteries burn. I’ve seen entire businesses burned. Maybe it hasn’t happened yet in the bike would, or at least reported on. But that doesn’t make my point any less valid IMHO.

@user-ga42 3 дня назад

Gotta be removable for storage, security, ease of charging, transporting, maintenance etc. Manufacturers need to improve weather protection on motors and battery covers. EMtb users tend not to be avid weight weenies so the non removable option seems irrelevant. IMHO.

@kimmacdonald8873 3 дня назад

10Sec to remove and fit replacement. Keyed system (Giant Stance)

@samperi01 3 дня назад

I live in a country where there is sometimes minus degrees celsius and it would be wise to remove battery from the bike. Yet again I cant take the battery inside at my work because apparently they are too dangerous..

@NordicPass 3 дня назад

I've been thinking about bike parks, especially in Germany 🇩🇪. Many bike parks don't allow lithium batteries 🔋 on their trails, and some even prohibit them on their lift systems 🚠. If you frequently ride at these locations, I would personally prefer a bike setup with a removable battery. Otherwise, you might have to rent a bike each time or even invest in a second bike specifically for bike parks. I'm still waiting for the Amflow to see if it matches all the positive reviews! 🌟 My old Trek Fuel Ex5 Gen 3 has 5000 and some kilometres on it, and it's in the pit all the time.

@keith6872 3 дня назад

Before hanging my bike on bike rack of car, i remove battery to reduce weight. The removable option is best.

@nicolapellegrino1072 3 дня назад

Those who think a non removable battery could not be a problem have to wait for the first warranty issue with that... sending back a whole bike is different than only the battery 😁

@MrDiamondDave 3 дня назад

I need removable battery as I have two and love the 5 second swap on my Rail. One battery isn’t enough. Lol.

@SonnyDarvishzadeh 3 дня назад

How am I supposed to charge it then? My car and bicycle parking don't have AC outlets. Bosch stopped producing 12V (car socket) charger long time ago and many brands don't have them at all. E-bikes are massive and I can't bring mine up 2 floors to the apartment using staircase for every charge. Not everyone has a lift and mine is very small. If for whatever reason I end up buying a non-removable battery e-bike, it at least must have: 1. Mechanic still can replace it easily if needed. 2. I need a fast DC charger (from 12 or 24V batteries, same as car cigarette socket). Solar chargers are an option, but my e-bike has a 800Wh battery (has 2nd slot for another 800) and a solar charger of at least 1000Wh is very expensive (600 to 800 euros). In comaprison, a 100Ah LFP battery is as cheap as 200 euros. So a 100 euro ebike DC adaper is the only missing piece that stops me buying their 5 grand ebikes with non-removable batteries.

@akissparaskevopoulos 3 дня назад

Definitely a removable battery is the way to go.

@monteur85480 3 дня назад

ik got the fuel exe ,love it , really low noise and it looks like a normal bike

@lsugimoto8361 3 дня назад

I prefer easily removable batteries for storage, charging and transporting of the bike.

@HandsomeDanNZ 3 дня назад

I thought a removable battery would be an absolute must, but if I’m honest, I only remove my battery because I can. And even then, very rarely. With a 630wh battery I have enough for what I need.

@Dark_Vader888 3 дня назад

Easily removable is a must. End of story

@Pedr0PT 3 дня назад

Been running 2 bateries every ride for the last 8 year's at least, never going back. Now on 2 x 625wh and on big days borrow the one from wife as well (in the car as recharge). Really hoping AMFLOW releases a version with easy replacement otherwise NICOLAI SATURN is also very tempting, imagine the range on 2 x 960Wh 🤤. Normally do 50 km 2200 D+/- per ride and ride arround 240 times a year.

@alexandrebauer2305 3 дня назад

Is it possible to compete to a regular enduro bike competition with an e bike without the battery?

@e_mtb 3 дня назад

I guess it depends on the regularities of the race, Johannes Fischbach was allowed to do so on the "urban downhill race" in chile. He removed the motor as well, but this was his personal decision, the organiser just requested him to remove the battery according to him (and he crashed pretty badly on this race, but that's another story 😶‍🌫)

@tmstriveon 3 дня назад

Non removable battery limits a lot ebike transport. If it's raining and cold or too hot, it's preferable to remove the battery and carry it inside the car. I won't drop a motor to remove the battery. It's stupid and it seems manufacturers assume all riders have garages with power sockets everywhere they go.......

@megane230f1 3 дня назад

i have an e bike with non removable battery ive had the bike 6 years and the battery is fine its stands in the garage in the winter and it hasnt been affected, yet i have a range extender for the bike that is kept inside and that is fcked, how do you work that one out

@tmstriveon 3 дня назад

@@megane230f1how did you used the extender, and how it was stored? Seems like a bad usage... just saying

@megane230f1 3 дня назад

@@tmstriveon it is a piggy back battery that i used for longer rides when the downtube battery wasnt enough. It is stored in the fancy case that it come with

@cookster322002 3 дня назад

Non-removable wouldn’t work for me. I live in a flat and my bike is stored in a council garage about 1/2 mile away. So the battery. Comes home with me after a ride

@gregmiller2170 3 дня назад

I downsized into an apartment years ago. A removable battery is essential.

@dirtyoffroader2093 3 дня назад

Had removable, never removed it, so recently went non-removable. No regrets. 😂

@oddarneroll 3 дня назад

You don't live in Norway 😂

@kevb8828 3 дня назад

I wouldn’t consider buying a no removable battery ebike as I like to store my battery indoors not just for the battery health but also for security as I tend to store my battery and my front wheel separately just to make a thief’s life more difficult!

@SciHeartJourney 3 дня назад

My current battery is over 5 years old. I never leave it outside. I leave the bike outside. Batteries don't like the cold or wet. It seems to me that you need a battery to be dockable, or it's worthless. My e-bike is actually 20 years old! It's a "Currie". Nobody makes them anymore. I've changed it from a 24 V lead acid battery with a 400W motor to a 48V lithium battery pack with a 1kW hub motor. It does 28 mph with over 20 miles range. Today it's illegal because it goes too fast. 🤣

@BaldBloke 3 дня назад

Those of us that have sheds prefer removable cells for peace of mind that their sanctuary of escape isn't burnt to the ground one day.... sorry i meant i cannot guarentee the cold/heat wont go further below/above recommended specs.

@kostello2011 3 дня назад

Why no 4k format? This video quality is bad :(

@islandaerial3414 3 дня назад

Access to my Trek battery is great. Access to my Yamaha battery is problematic...

@stuka78 3 дня назад

Which models?

@islandaerial3414 3 дня назад

@@stuka78 Powerfly 7 and a YDX Moro 7

@kev2021 3 дня назад

Get ur sel a trek and put some fome on the top to stop it cutting out out😂fs 3g n iv got 2 bodge it lmao

@shaldon08 4 дня назад

No removable battery means no cafe charging. Deal breaker for me.

@porroco 3 дня назад

Yeap for long range, i could leave the battery 30 miles away to replace on the mid trip, another option is that DJI install solar charging battery stations on the mountain for us to connect and gain some miles to end the trip

@apfolklore 3 дня назад

Man, I hope my EMTB out last my battery!!

@Alessandro-xy7js 3 дня назад

With a fully integrated battery you can't bring it to the workplace to recharge there😂

@jordandavies7641 4 дня назад

Didn’t even mention if it rides better or not 😅

@gavindean 2 дня назад

Non removable is a no go for me on the canyon there is no way the 2 bolts and bottom cover weighs a kilo non removable makes no sense.

@sillywillie6484 3 дня назад

Doesn't bother me either way.

@acelectricalsecurity 14 часов назад

Just an unnecessary inconvenience having a difficult battery to remove

@Geomos4125 3 дня назад

Non removable battery is the best ever, speed+,light+,low resistence pedelec+,time battery+,slim bike+,geometry frame+,flow +++,etc.......!

@paulhusky580bts 3 дня назад

Global Warming UK May get Hot Summers having removable battery if bike get stolen people can’t use bike as Battery can be hard to find

@ebayfield 3 дня назад

I'd prefer a small nuclear reactor than a battery

@SimonBauer7 3 дня назад

non removable battery means i will be taking an angle grinder to that frame. fuck that concept at its core! i wont put up with that. its a slippery slope. now they can be removed with tools, soon they might be glued in or some shit.

@ianwallace2591 3 дня назад

I have a orbea rise , I don’t read b4 buying that it was difficult to remove , for me wish I could remove just I case it is stolen and then twats don’t have a full bike 😮