Why Abraham Lincoln Is Not the Greatest President

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First of all, Mr. Beat DOES like Abraham Lincoln. But Lincoln is not his favorite American President, and here is why.
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Here are the three biggest things I just can’t get past that prevent Abraham Lincoln from being the top of my Best Presidents list:
#1 Lincoln abused the First Amendment. His administration arrested journalists and newspaper publishers who criticized his handling of the Civil War.
#2 Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus. His administration threw many ordinary citizens in jail WITHOUT arrest warrants. The people detained often didn’t know why they were arrested or how they could challenge it.
#3 Lincoln made things worse for Native Americans. He signed laws that gave away millions of acres of tribal land. He approved mass executions of Indian warriors and multiple Indian massacres happened under his watch.
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@iammrbeat Год назад

Am I wrong?

@sammoblammo5810 Год назад

I don't think so, but it would still be criminal to not put him as an s tier president. No matter his faults, he still held our country together at its time of greatest strife, and was a central figure in the abolition of slavery. I just can't get past that. But yeah, he isn't my favorite.

@thescrout9831 Год назад

Hey, correct me if I'm wrong Mr. Beat because I'm Scottish but I'm pretty sure at least with the second one, habeas corpus was allowed be suspended in a time of war or rebellion such as the civil war, which was within Lincoln's powers. Plus the Confederate states did it more than the Union.

@abeIincoIn Год назад

Yes😔

@UGMD Год назад

All three of these things should have been explored in APUSH but weren’t.

@UGMD Год назад

@@thescrout9831 sure he was legally allowed to do it, but that doesn’t mean he should have. A whole bunch of bad stuff could have been avoided by keeping it in place

@SiSi-yk8os Год назад

Lincoln been real quiet since this dropped

@Polavianus Год назад

Oh he been real quite alright

@pans7761 Год назад

Heard he went to a theatre to get over with this

@abrahamlincoln6388 Год назад

Yes

@Polavianus Год назад

@@abrahamlincoln6388 How was the show at Fords Theatre

@abrahamlincoln6388 Год назад

@@Polavianus It was good until John Wilkes Booth ki!led me :(

@abeIincoIn Год назад

Oh😔

@iammrbeat Год назад

I'm so sorry 😞 You're still Top 10 though

@imtyler99yearsago90 Год назад

Your parents had a crush on you

@abrahamlincoln937 Год назад

Don’t worry Abraham Lincoln. I feel the same way. 😔

@yeetproductionsbah3809 Год назад

@@abrahamlincoln937 we have an imposter amogus 📮

@Sasquatchgoat Год назад

Poor wise abe

@112steinway Год назад

In Lincoln's defense, almost EVERY President was bad for the Native Americans.

@MA_KA_PA_TIE 5 месяцев назад

They were defeated peoples. They are lucky the US didn't straight up eliminate them in their entirety.

@Prabhsinghsandhu 5 месяцев назад

😢 as an Indian 🇮🇳 I am feeling bad for Indians 🇺🇲

@gehhko8249 5 месяцев назад

That's not a defense of Lincoln, dude.

@jangofett9083 5 месяцев назад

@@Prabhsinghsandhuthey aren’t Indians

@MinnesotaResident 4 месяца назад

@@gehhko8249yea

@cbj008g7 Год назад

"Hey, it's war baby, what are you going to do?" -Abraham Lincoln Oversimplified

@UsmanKhan-ki4zc Год назад

@illuminoti8525 6 месяцев назад

@@abunchofrandomgarbage23now say it with me... It's! A! Joke!!!!

@FranTheOtherMan 6 месяцев назад

Underrated comment

@hmm8445 5 месяцев назад

It is what it is

@KennethMachnica-vj3hf 5 месяцев назад

It really wasn't a war. It was basically a glorified looting expedition, with murder and arson, a way of life. The Yankees would steal anything that wasn't bolted down, and if it was too heavy to carry away, they would just burn it.

@KingArthur39 Год назад

You have seen Dark Brandon, but wait until you learn of *Dark Lincoln*

@iammrbeat Год назад

lol

@abeIincoIn Год назад

I like that😈👻

@warlordofbritannia Год назад

“Jefferson Davis never told you the truth about Lincoln” “He told me enough, he told me he was a Tyrant!” “No Johnny, *Davis* was a tyrant.” “That’s not true…that’s impossible!“ “Check your facts Johnny; you know it to be true” “NOOoOOoO!”

@mooseears9849 Год назад

Dark *Bradon* 😂

@wildfire9280 Год назад

@@warlordofbritannia This sounds like an Atun Shei bit.

@AgmaSchwa Год назад

If I remember correctly, one of his last actions was giving the territory of future Las Vegas to Nevada instead of Arizona, and as an Arizonan this is tragic.

@iammrbeat Год назад

I actually didn't know about that!

@bingolingo6555 Год назад

Didn't expect to see you here

@lovelylavenderr Год назад

I mean hey, c'mon, it is LITERALLY all Nevada has.

@skeleex Год назад

Yeah but thing about it this way, Las Vegas IS Nevada

@sexygeek8996 Год назад

If he didn't do that then Las Vegas would have ended up being as boring as Arizona.

@gigamilkloverchad84 Год назад

The people who were arrested were actually vampires, he was doing us all a favour and he's not even your no.1 favourite

@Snuffy03 13 дней назад

Lincoln's biography says ALL Confederate soldiers were vampires. Which is why the White House silver disappeared in 1863. Just saying.😏

@Goldenroses930 3 дня назад

You still need just and fair trials no matter how bad

@Snuffy03 3 дня назад

@@Goldenroses930 People in power don't really give a rat's pstootie about due process.

@crappyanimations9992 День назад

@@Goldenroses930 They were Vampires man, they don't need fair trials. They would've eaten the balif.

@Goldenroses930 День назад

@@crappyanimations9992 everybody needs a fair trial regardless of someone’s opinion on their person

@DefinitelyNattox Год назад

Just a quick note on Lincoln suspending Habeas Corpus- at the start of the war he only suspended it along railway lines so Congress could actually get to DC and convene. And when he did suspend it for the entire country in 1863, he did it with full congressional approval.

@greggs12315 Год назад

I hate how Mr. Beat did not mention this point. But it’s was a pretty short video which in my opinion is makes it bad especially in a topic like this where someone who is going to watch this will get a pretty simple explanation with no added reasons, details and events and have their mind made up on this topic.

@greggs12315 Год назад

There’s already so many misinformation being spread here in the comments knowingly or unknowingly

@omegaman6770 10 месяцев назад

Yeah , just like the mainstream media always seems to leave out specific points as they are spinning their yarns ! Where’s Paul Harvey when you need him to give us …. “ The rest of the Story “ 🤷🏽‍♂️

@ethanweeter2732 2 месяца назад

@@greggs12315That is why complex topics need to be given serious time to address a serious and complex issue. Davis and the CSA did far worse by suspending Habeas corpus and using that to declare martial law, for 3 years.

@-TheMachineGod- 5 дней назад

@@greggs12315yeah, Mr Beat also failed to mention that most of the Natives who were killed by his troops were fighting for the traitors at the time

@damien6872 Год назад

love to see Mr. beat reping the pink floyd merch

@iammrbeat Год назад

Glad you caught that!

@daniel-bg8ms Год назад

@@iammrbeat mr breast give me money

@seaacow6347 7 месяцев назад

I much prefer the Wall or Animals, but Dsotm is still good.

@lt3746 Год назад

On the Native American executions- The most famous of them was the “Dakota 38”, so-called because 38 men were hung on December 26, 1862. This was at the end of the “Dakota War”, which had begun over some delayed payments that government agents had promised and suspicions of corruption from said agents. The commissioner of affairs for the Dakota agents, George Day, wrote to Lincoln in January of 1862 and said that: “I have discovered numerous violations of law & many frauds committed by past Agents & a superintendent. I think I can establish frauds to the amount from 20 to 100 thousand dollars & satisfy any reasonable intelligent man that the indians whom I have visited in this state & Wisconsin have been defrauded of more than 100 thousand dollars in or during the four years past.” In August, some settlers were killed by Dakota natives, its unsure why. It should be noted that not all of the Dakota went to war, only a specific faction. After some back and forth, the natives lost and were put on “trial”, although many modern historians and even contemporary officials in Lincoln's administration asserted that there were trumped up charges and falsities-it was more of a formality than a real trial. The secretary of the navy, Gideon Welles, wrote that "I was disgusted with the whole thing; the tone and opinions of the dispatch are discreditable…what may have been the provocation we are not told.” Lincoln ordered a stay of execution until he could review the trials himself, which was delivered to the troops on October 17. Obviously, since this was happening out West, it took time for information and instructions to go back and forth. 303 Dakota men were indicted and prepared to be executed, and Lincoln faced intense political pressure to give it the go-ahead. He was warned numerous times that if he didn't riotous and angry settlers would carry out mass murders anyway. From newspapers to the highest levels of the Senate, people of all social orders had demanded the executions. Alexander Ramsey, the Governor of Minnesota, wrote to him urging the executions to be approved. "I hope the execution of every Sioux Indian condemned by the military court will be at once ordered...[i]t would be wrong upon principle and policy to refuse this. Private revenge would on all this border take the place of official judgment on these Indians." Eventually, Lincoln commuted the executions of 265 men, allowing for 39 to still go ahead. In a message to the Senate that December, Lincoln said "Anxious to not act with so much clemency as to encourage another outbreak on the one hand, nor with so much severity as to be real cruelty on the other, I caused a careful examination of the records of trials to be made, in view of first ordering the execution of such as had been proved guilty of violating females.” Lincoln further tried to make a distinction between 'battles' and 'massacres', justifying the commuting of further sentencing as only 2 men could be proven guilt of rape. After more evidence was reviewed, 38 men were executed. All in all, I don't think Lincoln should be entirely excused from every controversial decision just because he is revered by many (including me). But it is important to understand that his political pragmatism undergirded basically every decision he made as President up until 1865.

@Connor_Califf 2 месяца назад

how much of that was written by chat gpt?

@antonioscendrategattico2302 7 дней назад

@@Connor_Califf It doesn't read like chatGPT to me. It's not full of fluff, it quotes real documents and people and it has an overall point.

@QuAd_Rambo_ 8 месяцев назад

But he fought the vampires for us 😧

@charlesmcgill2974 12 дней назад

That’s why I respect him man managed to stop the confederate vampires basically single-handily using only his trusty wood cutting axe he was built different

@PlatinumAltaria Год назад

#4: He didn't kick the south's ass hard enough 😎

@vallraffs Год назад

Chose Andrew Johnson as vp, allowing him to destroy so much of what could have been achieved under Reconstruction before the Radical Republicans managed to stop him.

@Comuniity_ Год назад

I will always stand by the north should have razed the south and killed alot more slavers because this, modern America, is what happens when you just let the slavers live and keep all their money and power and expect them to not treat the people they don't think sre people better

@billyboy4283 Год назад

There's a reason the southern states are the poorest in the nation

@Patriarch.Chadimus Год назад

Yeah the raping and pillaging and decades of oppression weren't hard enough for his alleged fellow citizens and brethren lmao

@jmgonzales7701 Год назад

@@billyboy4283 they lacked the industrial power of the coastal states

@seekinggodfirst754 Год назад

This video demonstrates one of the flaws in our educational system: we romanticize our national heroes to the point of depicting them as flawless. Thank you, Mr. Beat, for showing me a fuller, realistic picture of Abraham Lincoln.

@ballsonyourmomschin1781 Год назад

Nobody said he was flawless. It’s just ridiculous to act like he’s not a great president all because of the huge important scandal of locking up confederates during a time of civil war🤣🤣what a horrible thing he did by locking up traitors to the nation

@Yourboss3382 Год назад

That's what happens when you let the government run your education system.

@spookyfool Год назад

That's not what's wrong with the education system, what's wrong with it is the government is involved. Lincoln is a good president and should be highly regarded, but he was not an evil man.

@seekinggodfirst754 Год назад

@@spookyfool No one said AL was evil.

@kaz296 Год назад

@@seekinggodfirst754 I'm guessing you never been to the South. (Joke)

@4Stanzas Год назад

The grandson of Francis Scott Key, Francis Key Howard, the editor of the Baltimore Exchange, was arrested for writing against Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus. He was imprisoned at Ft McHenry 47 years after his grandfather had witnessed the bombardment of that same fort by the British and compelling Francis Scott Key to write the words which would later be sung in our national anthem. Francis Key Howard later wrote about his ordeal in the book, 'Fourteen Months in American Bastilles.'

@freddywizowski8605 7 месяцев назад

Dude general Pope said he was going to personally annihilate the Sioux in Minnesota. Lincoln personally intervened and reduced the number of condemned Indians from over 300 to 38. The 38 who had indiscriminately killed women or children during the uprising.

@Bozosno1 13 дней назад

Thats what i said

@-TheMachineGod- 5 дней назад

Yeah, and a lot of the mass executions he is talking about are of Natives who had committed heinous crimes in the name of the confederacy they were allied with

@mang0donald874 Год назад

Damn. Totally valid reasons I didn't even know of. Thanks Mr Beat for making us all more informed people

@ryanash4681 Год назад

Another thing that dampens his reputation in my eyes is that the emancipation proclamation effectively freed nobody. He had no control over the south so they obviously didn’t listen to it, and the border states (Maryland, Kentucky, Missouri) were all allowed to keep their slaves throughout the war while staying in the union. I mean maryland is right next to DC, Lincoln literally had to pass by slavery very often in his own country while waging war against the south.

@wta1518 Год назад

@@ryanash4681 They couldn't afford losing the border states, especially since that would have left D.C. completely surrounded by the confederacy.

@ryanash4681 Год назад

@@wta1518 I agree. Lincoln always said his priority was preservation of the union. It makes me wonder how his presidency would’ve played out if the south didn’t decide to secede before he even took office.

@ulyssesgrant4324 Год назад

I hope you do understand Lincoln had arrested many people because the Maryland Governor and majority of the State assembly wanted to secede. And Lincoln did express wanting to reform Indian affairs, of course something else happened

@ulyssesgrant4324 Год назад

@@ryanash4681 Yea it was a war measure, it allowed the army to free people in the south. Lincoln didn’t want to piss off the northern states which were still in the Union.

@dolcethesmorse1890 Год назад

The first two can be partially explained away cuz he was in a civil war so I don't mind him too much for that. But yeh the Native American one, that's a totally and completely valid criticism, i think

@supercringeteam6666 Год назад

ignoring the first amendment is evil and unjustifiable. it's the most important human right.

@amongtheliving789 Год назад

@@supercringeteam6666 He did what he had to do. Can’t really change or do anything about it now, can we? 🤷🏼‍♂️

@iammrbeat Год назад

But this is also why I am horrified by martial law. During times of chaos, the President's power should still be checked. It can be a slippery slope to a dictatorship.

@RaptorJesus Год назад

@@iammrbeat Wasn't it mostly just along the main railways & telegraph lines? Because we have plenty of examples of papers in New York and the like decrying how Lincoln waged the war.

@Excepnexcep Год назад

I feel like the native american one wasnt all that different from other presidents of the time, not an excuse but certainly not a reason to exclude Lincoln for that. Just my opinion though, if anyone has more information I'd be happy to read it

@turtelbro1123 Год назад

Proves that there’s no such thing as the perfect president.

@johnchessant3012 Год назад

Maybe we should really have two separate rankings: positive accomplishments and negative accomplishments, rather than one ranking of net effect. LBJ and Nixon would rank pretty high on both lists, I'd imagine.

@everettatwater2939 Год назад

Yeah,Nixon gets its bad when comes to president's, but I like Nixon , we should remember more than Watergate

@yochaiwyss3843 Год назад

@@everettatwater2939 Like normalizing relations with Communist China, essentially saving them from imploding and losing the US' Industrial Manufacturing power?

@sexygeek8996 Год назад

I would put FDR on the negative list for his gold theft.

@hhhhhh-vi6sq Год назад

@@everettatwater2939 correct me if im wrong here but didnt nixon also start the drug war? its generally seen as a disaster which actually increased drug use and violence within the us

@twitter.comelomhycy Год назад

Whah . . . Interesting how you have to find a way to make him seem not so bad 🤔

@oakus8503 Год назад

I find these somewhat excusable in the context of him having to deal with a grisly conflict that’s tearing the country apart. You can’t assess Lincoln the same as a Monroe or Clinton.

@iammrbeat Год назад

Fair point

@basilmetroulas4622 Год назад

i can’t really look past the abuses of native americans though

@thisguy6177 Год назад

@@basilmetroulas4622 uhh native americans were already doing human sacrifices and enslaving each other soo

@basilmetroulas4622 Год назад

@@thisguy6177 does that make it okay to approve mass executions of them and forcibly sell their land?

@robertaylor9218 Год назад

@@basilmetroulas4622 you are 100% right. But I can’t think of a president who did more for the country while in office.

@salutic.7544 9 месяцев назад

#1 it was wartime #2 it was wartime #3 what’s new? Typical 19th century American president

@sunshineimperials1600 8 месяцев назад

Being at war doesn’t give Presidents excuses to violate your rights with unconstitutional policies, and neither do emergencies of any kind.

@salutic.7544 8 месяцев назад

@@sunshineimperials1600 it’s been upheld as constitutional to suspend some civil liberties during wartime. Schenk v US?

@Ashbringer36 5 месяцев назад

@@salutic.7544 being "legal" just proves the law is bad. all you need to have happen is someone declare something wartime and you've got a despot on your hands case and point Canada and Mr. I'm going to call a peaceful protest an emergancy and use wartime measures to for them to disperse.

@DarthVader_1977 5 месяцев назад

@@sunshineimperials1600It’s been done many times, by multiple presidents.

@sunshineimperials1600 5 месяцев назад

@@DarthVader_1977 Still doesn’t make it right that Presidents can “suspend” your civil rights. If your “rights” can be written away by somebody, they’re not rights just privileges.

@lw6866 Год назад

Thank you for making me no longer feel alone.

@nado100 Год назад

i loved the nuanced take on this.

@warlordofbritannia Год назад

Yeah, I disagree with Mr Beat still but I get *why* he slightly disfavors Lincoln To me, his greatest accomplishments (emancipation and keeping the country together) is enough to outweigh the above to the degree I still have him as Number 1

@oldmanbiscuit7518 Год назад

@@warlordofbritanniathen you dont really know about Lincoln. you should do some research, he was a very bad guy.

@user-ivan2 Год назад

Will, I guess I just learned something new

@josephmastroianni1560 Год назад

Press is free. Boston media people. Like me. Page 1 US HISTORY. FakeNewZ was sent everywhere. Two men wanted it. They didnt get it.

@6000. Год назад

“Keep your information out your god dam mouth!” -Will Smith

@frankenstein99999 Год назад

1. Gorge Washington 2. Abraham Lincoln 3. Jhon F. Kennedy 4. Franklin D. Roosevelt 5. George W. Bush I don’t know who is greater or greatest, but they r the most famous American President across the whole globe at least as an Asian I can confirm that.

@randomtraveler9854 6 месяцев назад

George W Bush? For what?

@frankenstein99999 6 месяцев назад

@@randomtraveler9854 Bro. plz read my full comment. I made this list only regarding their popularity and their legacy in world's history. Especially if we talk about George W Bush he is 21st century's one of most influential and controversial figure. I mean his declaration of "War on Terror" change the game forever.💀Atleast as a Muslim (confused) I can confirm that.

@KhesEditz9183 Месяц назад

@@randomtraveler9854for Iraq🇮🇶 war

@shaunmaynard3728 Год назад

Everything that you dislike about Lincoln could be said of your favorite president. 1. Supported alien and sedition act 2. Slave owner 3. Personally killed Indians Not saying either President is bad, or that you are wrong.

@bangiaryan Год назад

#3 Is certainly correct, but some historians like to point out that Lincoln actually pardoned a whole 265 Native Americans at the mass hanging you picture at 0:47 (Making the largest mass execution on U.S. soil not 303 people, but 38.)

@onesob13 Год назад

Not pardoned, just lesser sentences than execution

@iammrbeat Год назад

Daaaang, you got me on this one. Really good job critically thinking about this and calling out my cherry picking fallacy

@ManiacMayhem7256 11 месяцев назад

Too little too late, especially for the 38. Lincoln was a bad man in general. Him signing away tons of Native territory only makes matters worse.

@matthewarredondo Год назад

Abraham Lincoln had a terrible Native American policy

@Comuniity_ Год назад

Every US president, before and after him, had terrible indigenous policy because America itself only exists because its origins of Europeans ethically cleansing land of the indigenous population and settling people deemed the "right race". The US never be a state for indigenous people because it was explicitly created to exclude them, no matter how much you try to reform and we really haven't, like the government sterilized like 1 in 4 indigenous women in the 70s or 80s. This also applies to Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Israel.

@lettucearsebiscuits8375 Год назад

Based

@squid.com8927 Год назад

It wasn’t really his Native American policy it was established policy for years but he didn’t change it. Like how Obama and Biden are continuing with deportations and with the broken system of immigration down there we have because they are distracted by other things are this is not enough political points to change it. Although it is worth pointing out that Lincoln asked for changes to the Indian system in his last two state of the union addresses.

@llllloppppllkiii7003 Год назад

Good job Lincoln

@ManiacMayhem7256 11 месяцев назад

@@squid.com8927 Yet he continued it anyways. That makes him an evil man. Theres a good reason his statue was defiled in protests

@malcolmferguson4869 5 месяцев назад

#3 could apply to almost every president, and #1 & #2... well, to quote Oversimplified - "Hey, it's war, baby. What are you gonna do?"

@Feelingcrazy__ 15 дней назад

Freeing the slaves was a major accomplishment. Most presidents are terrible.

@DonnyTinyHands Год назад

Waiting for the Lincoln Stan's in the comments.

@greggs12315 Год назад

The criticisms that Mr. Beat made are fair. But there’s a reason why Lincoln is always highly rated. Previously Mr. Beat said that if he was looking at it from a technical standpoint and not objective, Lincoln would be along side Washington.

@iammrbeat Год назад

Thanks Rata, and I also think it's important to recognize that I still feel like Lincoln is one of the best

@abrahamlincoln6388 Год назад

Here

@charlesmcgill2974 12 дней назад

He stopped the vampires he’s a hero in anyone’s book

@itsmealex8959 Год назад

I do think it's hard to argue Lincoln wasn't the greatest president in terms of sheer political ability.

@iammrbeat Год назад

True

@curranfrank2854 Год назад

Yea, reading about how he went from like one term as a US representative to President was a trip lol. To say nothing of all the political bullsh*t he had to deal with during his actual presidency. Lyndon B. Johnson was pretty talented at that too

@OuroborosAlchemist Год назад

That's no way to measure greatness in a real sense, especially in what is supposed to be democratic countries. In the same breath you could utter that most of the 20th century dictators were the greatest politicians ever. Lincoln was a tyrant, just like any political actor would be in his position, wars are terrible things for freedom. I am an Englishman, and I know for Americans, Lincoln is a hero on many levels. I have seen American media present him as a saint. In my perspective, if I'm to compare him to a great British politician, it would be Churchill. Both men faced a war, and both men sent young men to die in pointless battles during said war. I will say this, both men made the situation worse then it should have been, and if they did nothing in response to the wars, the world would be a much better place today. It's a hard thing to swallow but, I cannot find it to be untrue. Lincoln should have let the south be subjected to the huge slave population when they inevitably have had enough. Churchill should have not given the political power to Hitler to wage his total war.

@virgilflowers9846 Год назад

A genius in that respect. Despite these three things, I’m still a huge Lincoln fan, but Mr Beats reasons are tough to argue-but it’s still important we remember the great things he did as well. Washington still the OG, and also Ulysses S Grant is underrated!

@calrex4513 Год назад

@@OuroborosAlchemist I respectfully disagree. Neville Chamberlain who had a philosophy similar to this is what allowed Hitler to grow so powerful in the first place. Sometimes pure democracy is just not the answer to strenuous situations.

@Robinhudloom 7 месяцев назад

Lincoln is mindblown by this

@strad2097 Год назад

Though I see your points and reasoning (and respect you for sharing your opinion on this), I still think he was a very good president. But thanks to you, I will look at Lincoln with a more complete view. And it's okay that you don't think he was the best. At the end of the day, we are all people and are entitled to our own opinions.

@iammrbeat Год назад

For what it's worth, I still think he was a very good president as well. :)

@Trentstone121 Год назад

He literally committed genocide. He's Hitler.

@ManiacMayhem7256 11 месяцев назад

I think he was pretty bad

@albums8825 9 месяцев назад

I think Daniel Day Lewis was ass portraying Lincoln, I didn't buy it, the movie was ass too

@justarandomdude-gv3yz 6 месяцев назад

@@ManiacMayhem7256well at least he was better than Davis at the time

@ChancellorOfHistory Год назад

To be Fair, he did have to try to return the southern states into the Union, meaning he needed to take Drastic Actions

@AA-bn7tf Год назад

Did he?

@ilect1690 Год назад

@@AA-bn7tf you think if he said "please join back into the union" the south would return?

@amongtheliving789 Год назад

@@AA-bn7tf Yes he did. And you know that.

@iammrbeat Год назад

I just don't think he had to take such drastic actions

@andrewa9694 Год назад

@@iammrbeat Constitution says that Habeas Corpus can be suspended if there is an invasion or insurrection.

@ericoberlies7537 9 месяцев назад

Suspension of the Writ of Habeas Corpus is specifically allowed in the Constitution, in the event of rebellion or invasion. What the Constitution does not mention is who can do it. There’s a valid argument for Congress, rather than the President, having that authority.

@jacksonw6742 5 месяцев назад

please make an updated top ten presidents video

@maxf3336 Год назад

Idk if you can change the title on shorts but I think “Why I hate Abraham Lincoln” would appeal to a wider audience. Great video!

@iammrbeat Год назад

Thanks for the suggestion. I changed it to "Why Abraham Lincoln is not the Greatest President"

@jamesbacon1776 Год назад

@Jar Jar Binks That's the point, views.

@tktru Год назад

@Jar Jar Binks reminded me of when JJ McCullough talked about why he hates Wilipedia

@danielmitchell1795 Год назад

Fair enough. I mean, sure Lincoln had his problems. Every President has (In fact I dare Mr Beat to say one thing about George Washington he disagrees with). But in the end, he still led the country through the civil war, preserved the Union, and deserves a lot of the credit for ending slavery, even if he was initially a moderate on the issue. I think people were also confused as to why FDR wasn’t on that list.

@iammrbeat Год назад

Perhaps I will make the FDR video next then! Oh, and I do have criticisms about Washington. I laid them out in my video about him, albeit briefly.

@TheSpiritof1861 Год назад

@@iammrbeat FDR was pure trash

@Bobbythrasher69 Год назад

@@TheSpiritof1861 just like all US Presidents except JFK

@TheSpiritof1861 Год назад

@@Bobbythrasher69 lol

@Grabthembypussycat Год назад

And he was also a vampire slayer that prolly killed off the last remaining few vampires there’s a documentary about it I believe it’s called Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter it’s pretty good released back in 2012 most of the documentary shows a reenactment

@stevenlandbo6039 Год назад

"Laws are quiet in time's of war"

@daveedoff6258 Год назад

im ok with Lincoln being more authoritarian, he did what he had to to win, the native American crimes are not justifiable

@geraldwalker7609 Год назад

It's about time somebody said it!

@abrahamlincoln937 Год назад

It’s okay, Mr. Beat. Even though I’m not your favorite president, I am still a huge fan of your RU-vid channel nonetheless.

@shawn2196 5 месяцев назад

God forbid you suspend habeas corpus in the middle of a civil war

@michaelbast6151 Год назад

We need free speech even in time of war.

@tonynunez6539 5 месяцев назад

We need to limit the cult speech that divides us and racist language that kill people.

@tonynunez6539 5 месяцев назад

Words like actions have consequences. Bad speech start wars.

@mlas1308 Год назад

I’m early on a Mrbeat video

@iammrbeat Год назад

Thanks for being here early :)

@gascan7333 6 месяцев назад

The suspension of Habeus Corpus is clearly permitted in the constitution in the case of a crisis, particularly a rebellion. Insane to me that this is seen as a “Gotcha Lincoln!” argument. The first point while true, was done to keep support for the war going. If he lost support for the war, it would have damned all those living in bondage in the south to a lifetime of slavery and severely weakened the union and states that seceded. Remember that the Confederacy just needed to fight until the North lost the will for the war, and the war was extremely unpopular at first (even though the traitors shot first). It was a drastic measure but it was also a time of unprecedented crisis in the country. The third point is the only one I consider fair, but even here it must be said that the man was dealing with a extreme crisis of national security. During times like this it is common for governments to make a show of force to potential threats to illustrate they are not an easy target. We did the same thing after Pearl Harbor and 9/11. All of this is not even considering the personal struggles this man went though. He saw our nation through it’s very darkest hour AND cured us of our original sin. The worst thing this nation has ever done was categorically terminated by way of constitutional amendment. He lost his youngest son to illness during his presidency, and even when buried in grief and unimaginable stress, he knew he had a responsibility to the American people to put that aside and lead. He was a man of incredible strength and willpower, a brilliant politician and orator, and a champion of equality. And at the end of it all, he was thanked with a bullet to the back of his head. I understand if he’s not your favorite, but it seems self evident to me that he is the greatest American president.

@sambun6394 6 месяцев назад

Hard times and tough decisions make great men. I really do think Lincoln pulled the trigger to end slavery in America. And I’ll disagree with Mr. Beat, he and Washington are tied. Nope, scratch that. Abe takes the cake. I can just think of so many things he did that resulted from his heart. Just like the men in ww2, losing wasn’t a option.

@danielmichaelfleiss2141 10 месяцев назад

The Legislative Branch Article 1 Section 10 Sub Section 3 Says; No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of Delay.

@samschellhase8831 Год назад

The largest execution of Natives is the big one for me. I don’t think he had any Confederate generals executed after the war, but the Natives? People were mad that he didn’t execute more than he did

@connortopping6943 Год назад

First 2 we’re not too bad purely cause of circumstances of the time. The third one isn’t brilliant tho but he is still probably the best US president

@iammrbeat Год назад

I get that argument

@reddeaddude2187 8 месяцев назад

Imagine dealing with literal treason and having to answer to someone who wasn't there... 💀 💀 💀

@falloutfan6649 9 месяцев назад

Now in fairness to Lincoln damn near every president has made things worse for Native Americans. Truthfully one of the worst things about our country

@davehaggerty3405 8 месяцев назад

Lincoln was the most controversial President. No other President lost half of the states. But controversy drives heroic acts. Consider what America would be if Lincoln were never elected. Lincoln rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. He still does.

@authenticallysuperficial9874 6 месяцев назад

And thus: sic semper tyranus

@jrw5742 Год назад

All good criticisms.

@Sebman1113 12 дней назад

I will say though, the free land giveaways despite their negative impact of native Americans did make my home state of Minnesota. As much as I don’t like oppression, the homestead act, land grant college act, and the railroad funding stuff are some of the greatest laws in American history because they expanded the ability for common Americans like my ancestors to obtain land and farm it. The laws Lincoln passed allowed for a middle class to grow on the frontier and civilization to grow onto the frontier.

@ReynaReactsandReviews 8 месяцев назад

I’ve always wondered why he wasn’t on that list. I didn’t even know Lincoln did these things

@DestroyCode Год назад

He kept the union whole and that's why he will always be in my top 3

@thefishbox6548 7 месяцев назад

I don’t really care man I mean they manage to run the country as long as thats still going on I should be fine

@utleychase7 7 месяцев назад

You are right. Ive been saying the same thing for years

@FormerGovernmentHuman Год назад

Is there a correlation to reading at an early age and an inner monologue? These figures seem to be very similar.

@dibsdibs3495 Год назад

Personally I view the first one as part of his political genius. In times of war you do some bad and ugly things to win, but that may be one of my few radical beliefs.

@iammrbeat Год назад

I must concede he was a political genius

@societysbasement5369 Год назад

you are SPOT ON, Matt - and you made a big acknowledgement which far outweighs the need for any apology. Once again, I salute you.

@iammrbeat Год назад

Well thanks for understanding. I know this is a controversial one!

@drewstillexists Год назад

For a president in a civil war, Lincoln was incredibly restrained with any kind of power grabby stuff. Frankly the incredible accomplishments of his administration of reuniting the country and ENDING SLAVERY should put him at no. 1 on any list!

@user-jq8nw6qh8d 15 дней назад

The first 2 points aren’t exactly fair to Lincoln. He is the only US President to deal with an armed insurrection in the Contiguous United States. We really don’t know how other Presidents would have reacted in Lincoln’s place since the circumstances under which Lincoln became President were so extreme. Furthermore, if we move out of the American continent to US colonies like the Philippines or to wars like Vietnam and Iraq the human rights abuses get far worse under those Presidents then anything Lincoln did during the Civil War. Really want you to think about victims that are not American and not white. Also in the Indigenous people point… I would challenge you to find me a President before 1907 that was good for indigenous people! I know that’s a whataboutism and in isolation that is a very good point against Lincoln but within the context of comparing him to other Presidents I do think that should be considered. Now I haven’t seen your full 10 best Presidents video so I can’t directly address those Presidents records but overall the poor treatment of indigenous peoples is an indictment of European settlement of America as a whole and essentially the entire history of the United States. I’m completely conferable making that indictment but I don’t think it’s fair to blame any particular President more than another for that issue. It was systematic and really no President was any better than Lincoln (and some were far worse). As for treatment of other non-white racial groups Lincoln is obviously head and shoulders above his peers with only Grant and LBJ even coming close to the amount of work Lincoln did for particularly black emancipation (and in Lincoln’s case their literal emancipation).

@Sammykyt Год назад

I didn’t notice but it does explain why he isn’t on your top 10 list, thank you for sharing. I still think Lincoln was one of the best presidents we have had and to be fair no president in history was perfect.

@xxportalxx. Год назад

hell, most weren't even decent

@beachboysandrew 6 месяцев назад

Can you elaborate on what “mass executions” you’re talking about for point 3? From what I recall, large amounts of warriors were slated to be executed after the Eastern Sioux Massacre, but Lincoln’s influence actually led to far fewer receiving the death penalty

@cornballfungus 5 месяцев назад

As a matter of fact. Lincoln ordered that no natives should be executed without his approval. Later, Lincoln personally read the case files of the 300 or so charged men to determine if they deserved death. Most of those men were not killed and only around 20 were executed.

@beachboysandrew 5 месяцев назад

@@cornballfungus yeah, I usually love Mr. Beat, but somehow he failed to research this point fully and just bought into a trendy narrative, which is a bit disappointing

@gravesidepoet5405 5 месяцев назад

@@beachboysandrewI’m amused that you think you’ve debunked something because you found someone else that agrees with you.

@beachboysandrew 5 месяцев назад

@@gravesidepoet5405 it has nothing to do with who agrees with whom, a quick Internet search about the Eastern Sioux Massacre and five minutes of reading would confirm we’re right

@dethblade4836 9 месяцев назад

He also viewed blacks as an inferior race and also had a plan to send freed slaves to Haiti. Also, to those trying to justify Lincoln's war efforts, Lincoln started the war. Other European countries negotiated upon ended slavery and compensation for former slave owners. Lincoln went to war using slavery as an excuse to mask the real reason. To establish a tyrannical rule over the country. Sort of explains why Boothe shouted "Sic Temper Tyrannus" (Death to tyrants) before shooting him.

@sirscrotum Год назад

I really like these as counter points you delivered Mr. Beat. Ive read up on American Presidents, im a bit of a Lincoln fan, but these are very valid contentions you point out for reconsideration. It's because of these informed and educational counterpoints you bring, that keeps my coming to your channel.

@liubei3058 Год назад

There was an hour or so long video by The Rageaholic. Changed everything about Lincoln for me. Man was a tyrant.

@Skelingtronnn Год назад

Now hold on for a moment, because I've been there. I used to love those spicy takes, that are so true, but the rest of the population are indoctrinated sheeps. But then I did my own research and guess what... I discovered that those same guys that were "redpilling" me were lying to me. Rageaholic lies in that video Lincoln. It's not because you are stupid. It's because he is a grifter. They all are. They hope you will not check what they are saying because it sounds nice, or cool or edgy. But it will get better. Whatever dark stuff you are going in life will get better. You will get better.

@atcdiddly Год назад

Watch Vlogging Through History's response to The Rageaholic. Lincoln wasn't a tyrant.

@ManiacMayhem7256 11 месяцев назад

@@atcdiddly He absolutely was. Ive seen vlogging's videos, and they in every way fail to retort Rage's video. Its exact proof to never make an unscripted response. He fails to make a good excuse for the suspending of corpus, the draconian response to draft riots, the war crimes of Sherman including against slvs, the arrest of thousands of political opponents, and more. He instead tends to straw man and is a master of rambling without making a point. You can visibly and audibly hear him struggle to come up with excuses. Lincoln was a tyrant, he oppressed Natives, and theres a good reason native protestors defiled his statue

@atcdiddly 11 месяцев назад

@@ManiacMayhem7256 He was fighting a rebellion. No other president had to deal with the issue on the same scale so OF COURSE he had looks like a tyrant in comparison. Did he overreach with his power? Maybe. But that's nothing uniquely evil. The question of Federal control limitations is as old as America itself. Had Lincoln been too lenient towards opponents of the war effort he might have not been able to hold the nation together. These weren't easy decisions with clear clean-cut answers. Vlogging perfectly explained why Sherman abandoned the slaves in that one battle. There simply was no better option. I don't see what else needs said. Lincoln wasn't exceptionally cruel with Native Americans. In fact, on one occasion he saved many from execution despite the fact it may have cost him votes. Also, Lincoln the "tyrant" was the one repeatedly calling for the Southern states to stay in the Union while affirming the limitations of his power as president. As he said in his first inaugural address, the monumental issue of Civil War was in the South's hands.

@ManiacMayhem7256 11 месяцев назад

@@atcdiddly George Washington did, and he violated less human rights and his own values far less than Lincoln did. It ain't a maybe that Lincoln was a tyrant, it's a definite. Arresting any and all dissidents, implementing a draft rich people can dodge but the poor cannot, persecuting natives, the works. He could've won the war without doing this, as all these actions only worsened criticism of him. Streisand effect. "He needed to hold the nation together" I despise the CSA but the world would've been better had USA balkanized. No Vietnam War, no Iraq War, no drug war, no CIA toppling of governments around the world. Lincoln sought to preserve capitalist power and US imperialism. There's no excuse persecuting dissidents. Wilson and Bush did the same thing and we condemn them. Vlogging's excuse was poor, and seemingly never ponders "hey instead of leaving the slaves to die, doing war crimes against slaves as well as making another group feel so helpless they jumped in a river, he could've at the very least tell them to go north like abolitionists had been doing for decades" He ran the biggest mass execution of natives in US history and signed away millions of acres of their land. He was criticized for it even at the time. Your distortion of history is easily exposed. He didn't pardon these men, not in the traditional sense, he simply changed their sentences from a death penalty to imprisonment. They still faced their unjust sentences by the hands of the US government. There's a reason native protestors recently defiled his statue. "Affirming the limitations of his own power" and contradicting that statement at every turn. Lincoln was a tyrant, and he was put in office by capitalists who wished to preserve and expand their industrial institutions. They were scared that the small scale rebellions of Nat Turner and the like would expand to anti capitalism, so they needed a war to make things more favorable for them. Slavery didn't end after Lincoln btw. See Knowing Better's video on neoslavery. Howard Zinn, a Marxist, proves my points on Lincoln

@taker68 7 месяцев назад

A time of extreme emergency, none of these measures were meant to be permanent.

@Ashbringer36 5 месяцев назад

nothing more permenant then a temporary governemnt program

@West_Coast_Gang 10 месяцев назад

The first two aren’t really out of the ordinary for mid-1800s wartime states.

@KangaKucha 8 месяцев назад

While for the most part of his presidency he was at a civil war (aka a rebellion), he unfortunately rule more as a dictator. Heck his re-election in 1864 is very questionable. Despite him wanting to go back to normal, with better changes, after the war, he instead got shot and killed. Poor soul...

@billotron5521 Год назад

I love how you always give reasoning and express your opinion civilly. If only the world had more Mr. Beats.

@mariosin3256 10 месяцев назад

Who didn’t hate the Native Americans then

@SeanAFoXy Год назад

While I totally agree...you gotta remember that this was during the civil war, a major part of the country had broken away and was invading the north and had a good possibility of winning if he didn't use all war time privileges. Indians were another source of fighting. But having said that, he was extremely hard on the natives at a time when he was trying to free the slaves, which the natives should have also been a priority rather than genocide. But it also goes far beyond all of this, he abused the constitution still and powers still he shouldn't have even during war time, the civil war was not just about slavery, and the days of slavery were numbered without government intervention because it wasn't working so well anymore, and technology was changing. When you add everything together, you can definitely agree that he was not the greatest and he was just another president who got power hungry, and gave more and more power to the presidents to follow.

@oddlyjay Год назад

I mean, US presidents have a history of ignoring the constitution when the need arises

@scientificapricot6280 Год назад

Screw Lincoln, I m all about Thomas Jefferson.

@_Daniel_Plainview Год назад

Why not Jefferson Davis? :D

@scientificapricot6280 Год назад

@@_Daniel_Plainview the Pandora's box shall not me opened by me nor under my comment

@amongtheliving789 Год назад

@@_Daniel_Plainview Because fuck him, that’s why

@iammrbeat Год назад

Now now now....Jefferson clearly had his faults, too

@warlordofbritannia Год назад

It’s a good thing Thomas Jefferson is completely unproblematic… *just don’t look up what he was doing with his dead wife’s slave half sister*

@thatfobby5455 Год назад

Definitely think that Lincoln, FDR, and Reagan (Usually one or more is in a top 10 list) are way overrated if you look past things that were out of there direct control (Civil War, WW2, and 80s economic boom)

@ErinS06 Год назад

I would never put Reagan near the top of my list, because of how he handled other things (namely the AIDS epidemic)

@AA-bn7tf Год назад

Reagan took our full-autos

@instinct6083 Год назад

@@ErinS06 Considering how homophobic the Republican Party is, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Reagan intentionally mishandled the AIDS epidemic. He probably saw it as a way to get rid of homosexuals without directly opening a concentration camp for them.

@onesob13 Год назад

@@AA-bn7tf the one good thing he did

@societysbasement5369 Год назад

Reagan is my second least favorite president, second only to Andrew Jackson.

@rha101 Год назад

Lincoln did sign the execution orders of 38 Dakota natives, but at the same time he commuted the executions of nearly 300.

@kelpermoon23 16 дней назад

So, we just gonna forget the first two were during the civil war?

@anametoolongforittoactuall2362 21 день назад

Lincoln only suspended Habeus Corpus along rail lines with Executive power. When he did suspend it for the whole country, he did so with congressional approval.

@musicwithfurries6226 Год назад

Nobody's perfect like how Jefferson and Washington were both slave owners

@Ashbringer36 5 месяцев назад

They didn't "own" those slaves the banks did hence why they coudlnd't free them in the way we all expect them too certainly easier pill to swallow then Abe voting against anti slavery bills when he still held office in his home state of Illinois

@basicminnesotan8211 Год назад

Wow I wasn’t aware of any of these three things! Thanks Mr. Beat!

@jason59k55 5 месяцев назад

i can understand 1 and 2, in every single revolution and civil war often times these policies must be implemented to maintain stability in crisis. the third one on the other hand, well, uh-

@quinnttms5589 Год назад

For the most part I believe he was GOOD for the country. But whoever he does have his major flaws, but just the fact with him we pulled through the civil war that deserves him a top 5. Great video however defiantly some points that we are not taught because he is supposed to be the greatest president of all time!

@mynameisntpatrick1476 Год назад

When it comes to #1 and #2, this is a right that tends to go out the window during any civil war, let alone during most regular conflicts. Its hard to hit Lincoln with a fair enough penalty considering that those are fairly normal consequences in those circumstances. #3 pretty rough though ngl

@howdydoo9148 Год назад

When he suspended habeas corpus the first time, it was to protect the railroads so members of Congress could get to washington. When he did it the second time, he had Congress’s full support

@reecekoch8161 Год назад

He also made the civil war about slavery because he didn’t want Britain to get involved not because he cared about the slaves considering he owned slaves

@ryanspilledthewock Год назад

Still the GOAT

@mightyraccoon7155 Год назад

Ultimately, his good out weighed the bad. No President was flawless.

@tylerkochman1007 Год назад

Also, his plans for reconstruction did not differ much from Johnson’s. He wanted a quick reconciliation with the South. Had he lived, a lot of the more radical measures of the constitutional amendments, Reconstruction Acts, and other things may not passed or may have looked much weaker. Also keep in mind that the congressional Republican supermajorities won in 1866 that passed much of these were perhaps won part due to disapproval of Johnson and sympathies arising from Lincoln’s death)

@ManyScaryMen 5 месяцев назад

Over Washington? Yeah people are biased because he was first but he was actually an incredible President

@wooferjr169 Год назад

So basically Lincoln was Based?

@closetglobe.IRGUN.NW0 Год назад

yeah being a dictator to beat the south is pretty cool

@dannypipewrench533 Год назад

For the first two, I think we have to acknowledge that that period was probably the greatest threat to our country. A war with a country we shared a border with, and one that actually moved into our territory. Those were special circumstances. Authoritarianism is needed in chaotic times. Fortunately, no times have been so chaotic since then.

@Allaiya. Год назад

knock on wood.

@dannypipewrench533 Год назад

@@Allaiya. Good point.

@FormerGovernmentHuman Год назад

John Wilkes Boothe was right, he was a tyrant. The only problem is, if he killed him before the War ended maybe it would have made a difference. But he killed him after it was already over, and reconstruction was to begin. The sad thing is, this was the worst possible thing that could have happened to the south and especially slaves at this moment in history. Lincoln was a tyrant. However once the war was over he had every intention of mending divisions and ensuring reconstruction was successful and slaves would be given a path forward. But it didn’t happen and reconstruction was nothing close to the original intention.

@FormerGovernmentHuman Год назад

Terrible president as far as tyranny and human rights. But once he found his man Grant and stuck by him after several firings, he ended the war as our greatest war time leader. Having experienced civil wars in other countries and served over seas many times, I now understand why he took many drastic and tyrannical measures and it’s hard to place him as a great “President” because that role should come with boundaries that he broke. He was a great leader during war though, cannot take that. As a Southerner it must be said. I feel similar about Sherman, but I also understand why it was necessary, and from his journals and writings it is obvious he took no joy in his task. Every explanation for his actions by his own hand are a relevant justification for why it must be done, and not why he feels it should be done.

@benjaminrobinson7203 Год назад

He was also a free soiler. His abolitionism was based on the idea that slavery was taking jobs away from poor whites, not that it was wrong on the face of it.

@metalmythology6282 9 месяцев назад

Lincoln violated peoples rights waaaay too many times to have a real claim to a top ten. The standards of presidents are pretty low so i could understand a ranking of 15-20