Why Am I Putting Money In CardWars? - Devlog 

"The ecconomy wasn't balanced because the one with the most money could just stack it in their favor giving them even more money". Points for accuracy I guess.

Please make the board bigger, the fun of the game in the show was how open and creative you can be with your characters and the small board makes it too crowded.

The goal: Make sense of nonsense and rules for chaos The progress: SHOCKINGLY steady Keep it up you card wizard you

😊Economy seems pretty rare in the original game, so instead of just having buildings magically, make money, you would have to have a worker card with its associating building, which means a librarian would need a library and they could not use a barn. You would need the farmer for that.

card wars canonically accurate would be INSANE to play as an AR game

Ever since I saw the card wars episode I've always wanted a real version of it, really glad to be a part of this journey

I live for weird card game mechanics

So with the Economy I would interpret it more as keywords/effect interactions. The episodes we see it played these mechanics don't really come up meaning the base game doesn't revolve around them. The interpretation I got was Jake over explaining things. Like if I described MTG I could say it has "Summoning, Spellslinging, Flying Monsters, Extra turns, graveyard control". Summoning creatures and casting spells are core to the game, the rest of things that exist and can even have decks built around them, but are not fundamental You could make cards generate income and mechanics around that income. Stuff like a blind auction would have the card allow both players to generate income, but something like with the grid could just be Jake "paying" Archer Dan for a buff or effect, the grid just being a representation of how much is spent, like the middle value being 5 instead of putting 5 tokens on the board

Not missing one, i love this series

Globulin is such a sweet, innocent, lobotomized boy.

One warning on the auction mechanic. You seem to imply that auctioning a card from your deck (as opposed to from your opponents deck) is a disadvantage because your deck gets smaller and you will run out of draws sooner. This disadvantage is true, but you are not taking into account the fact that a card from your deck is more likely to have good synergies with your stuff on board. Meaning that a card from your deck is more valuable to you than your opponent (although they may bid high to deny you).

As far as Jake's weird diagonal move on the economy grid goes, perhaps that could be explained by a) A card having an effect to move the tracker, either generally allowing it to be moved diagonally or specifically allowing it to be reset to center, and then b) some cards caring about the position of the tracker on the grid beyond the general use case, perhaps out of frame in that brief clip he had a "Neutral Bank" building that generates extra income if the tracker is in the center.

I’m currently designing a card game of my own and have a lot of experience in designing them so when I realized this I thought I should speak my mind. I have an interesting idea for the combat in card wars. The way you can understand combat for the game is that your creature attacks in waves. It ping pongs back and fourth increasing by 1 until you reach its attack stat which is the most damage you can do in a wave. An example of this would be say the bald man and pig. Hypothetically if the bald man had 2 attack and the pig had 3 the fight would go. Pig would do 1 damage to the bald man then the bald mad would do 1 damage to the pig then pig attacks for 2 damage and bald man attacks for 2 then pig because its attack is 3 can attack for 3 damage next wave so it dose so but the bald man only has an attack stat of 2 so it only dose 2 damage. I just realized this would be even better than I initially thought because you could have for example a spell that says “if you have a creature that attacks 4 times in 1 combat both creatures in that combat are destroyed.” And that would add the aspect of combat should be something you watch unfold he was wanting to have

The simplest answer I would give to the “why not floop all my buildings” question is that, as part of attacking, you can’t defend a flooped building. Meaning you’ve gotta be careful about how much power your building has and if your opponent thinks of it as a threat before you activate it

Once again another great update on the process and love the way the current economy system works

Here are my thoughts on how to solve the some of the economy problems: 1 - Structures can only be unflooped when it doesn't have any money on it 2 - Each turn you can either collect the money on a structure or put more on it 3 - When a player damages a structure, they get a % of however much money was on it or a % of how much damage they deal. This would add a bit of risk/reward to the economy. You can floop then collect money every other turn, which would be a stable income with no risk. Or you can increase the amount of money on a structure for a bigger and faster pay out but you run the risk of your opponent attacking and stealing some. This would also add the ability to try to tempt your opponent into attacking a certain lane in order to get them to leave something else alone.

Idea for research system: Make it so that when you research something, you get to add a specific card to your hand without discarding. This could come from your main deck or a separate research deck from which you cannot draw from without researching.

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i was genuinely baffled on how you were going to implement the economy into the game in a fun way, and the way you did is genius. it's a fun idea, and simultaneously fixes the lack of cards in players hands. cant wait to play this

You should make the board like, the entire table, would be much much for immersive and would look better overall.

I have an idea that everything on the field is like «entities.» Maps of fields, buildings/structures or creatures, even with spells. Just differently limited, everyone has HP, so when there are no «creatures» left, the player loses. And first, he creates the initial arrangement of the cards and the hand according to special rules. For example, arrange 4 field maps, 2 building maps. Take a random 5 cards on your hand. And so ALL cards can be obtained in the hand, even field cards. This is because the fields can be «killed», for example, with spells! I also liked the idea/theory of one user in discord, he suggested that the pig hits -1, and then -2, and the fact that this is the total amount of damage done to a creature per fight. And my addition to this is that for the battle (floop) the creature can strike the maximum, which is indicated on the map. When creatures fight, each takes 1 damage in turn until one of the enemies dies! It is also necessary to consider where the map is located, as for me the rules are complex and voluminous, because most of the properties of the cards are written in the rules themselves, not on the maps! It’s just a description of the map, or a simple property :) P.S. I hope the translator translated my thoughts correctly!

Instead of every building being able to generate money, maybe there are specific "work station" buildings that generate money. Also the money you have could be stored in your buildings, where the battling opponent has a chance to pillage your coins, making it so that combat would have an effect on the economy. Love your work so far im so excited for this!

How about the diagonal move to the center is unique only to the 4 square, and must be done when a player purchases a card for 4? Since either player can buy when the economy tracker is on 4 (thus noone is “behind” in the economy and people would likely not want to reset the economy to a blank state willingly), forcing the buyer to reset the economy can stop people from taking advantage of a mutually beneficial moment multiple times and force everything to a state of neutrality. That could maybe balance economy board control and be show accurate! It would also make it so my man Jake isn’t bad he just had no choice!

For the neutral zone on the economy board. the bottom left could be the starting point, indicating a brand new game/economy - which is at its most stable. The farther top right, along the neutral zone it goes, the more unstable the economy gets. When it does reach top right, the economy crashes negatively affecting both players. To avoid this both players can take certain actions to stabilize the economy( like discard cards in the way before you established the economy system). I believe this strategically adds another layer to the economy system where players constantly try to one up each other by keeping it in their favor while also trying not to crash it.

My heart rate increases every time Globulin gets sent to the General Systems Bus 😔

For combat, you should try a simple back and forth combat system. Heres how i’d think it would go. The person who declares the attack goes first, they are able to attack one creature on the same land as them (or adjacent lands if they are a “ranged unite”) The battle will continue until all creatures attack, or if this is too volatile; then you can place a limit on how many attacks you can make per turn (3 or so) We can use a 6 or more sided die to keep track of the creatures health. To spice up the combat, we can introduce cards with “battle floops”, which are floop effects that can only be activated during the battle phase. These effects can range from: - doing a stronger attack at the cost of being unable to attack for a turn - doing a weaker attack but applying a debuff, like making the enemy creature unable to move - an explosive creature, who floops to destroy itself to do heavy damage - a creature who sacrifices its attack to boost the damage or heal an ally creature i hope this comment finds you well. Goodluck on your endeavors.

I think the green grid was just the player "speculating" which plot of land would grow more crops. Crops were the first stocks.

A thought on die based combat. You could try to roll a number of dice equal to it's power, but the damage done is equal to the number of dice that show a four or higher.

Another idea is to have an "Auction Deck" make it white or something that wouldn't represent the players, and every 3 turns there is an auction for a card. Also having deck archetypes like yugioh would help a lot for having variety since there are different lands and buildings like in the show. Jake has a farm land and Finn has a plains land. For the economy systems, I think there might be a need for spending currency to be able to upgrade units. i.e. certain building with X amount of currency counters generate more money per floop, and worker/other units gain more HP/damage or can floop more than once per turn. That way there can be dedicated MILITARY units that might have less starting hp/dmg but can be upgraded for more defensive/offensive options.

I LOVE what you did with the economy aspect of the game, it does exactly what you wanted of being seamlessly integrated into the other aspects of the gameplay. I definitely think you are going in the right direction with it.

Dude you are pumping out these like crazy. Keep up the good work man!

This man has gone from 500 subs to almost 100k in two months. That is ABSURD. Goes to show that what you’re doing is fucking dope

Card idea- Magic Gambler- when the economy favors you gain damage (scales with favor) Maybe the economy board only favors you when you win the auction or with special cards. And the economy board only has an impact on certain cards. This way you can build a deck based on the economy

In Darkest Dungeon, each character has a SPD stat. Turns are decided by rolling a D6 once for each character, then adding their respective SPD number to the result of each roll. Then the turn order is played following highest>lowest number. The damage here could be decided in a similar way, roll a die, and then add the attack score of the card, this way creatures with higher attack scores still have an advantage, but there's still an RNG element to it.

I feel like the monetary system could be how we’re able to have ‘hidden cards’ too, paying so that instead of playing it immediately you can hide it on the board. And if we aren’t going for a system where say the land values can’t exceed a certain amount, then maybe that’s the amount you’d have to pay to place a ‘trap’ card

I'm so glad I happened to stumble across this series a few days ago - I am so enthused by your progress and cannot WAIT to play this with my friends some time soon!!! ❤

Worker placement: given you can move creatures onto your opponents land, and given that workers are creatures, i argue that you can use a worker to take over an enemy building, letting you gain the benefits of working it. This gives incentive to not just destroy our opponent's stuff, but occupy it.

could make it so that only Economy/worker buildings generate money so lets say like a market would produce money but the spirit tower wouldn't

Man you are pumping these out! Thank you so much for bringing this to life, keep on going!

This is such a treat, I love to be on this journey with you. I have been here since the first Card Wars video and I must say I am impressed with how your RU-vidchannel has grown from 40,000 subscribers to almost 100,000 subscribers in the span of a month. Well done man, and keep on doing this!

following these developments closer than any else rn

loving the vids, have you ever thought that if this gets big enough that you can ask one of the people who made the card wars episodes questions about the game?

Just saying - this is one of my favorite series ever on youtube. It's awesome how you're putting the reality of game design straight out for everyone to see in a fun way.

ur making mad progress man. I clicked the very first video not too long ago and wasn’t expecting updates this frequent! Good stuff 👌

WOOOOOOOO I love this series

Another good video keep up the awesome work

It was always a dream of mine to play a real world tabletop version of card wars. Super hyped to see you are realizing this dream, and motivated to continuing this project to completion. Looking forward to the next vid!

This is a huge project, don’t worry about rushing to the end. These videos are so entertaining and I’m excited to see how the game evolves and changes over time

Might want to put CardWars in the title so the video does better in the algorithm

We need an episode about the different elements/factions/types!!

This is awesome. You're amazing. Keep it up!

Honey wake up new card wars devlog dropped

11:11 I have an Idea for the work replacement. When a card with the worker trait replaces another (with the worker trait), the player can choose one of two options: the replaced worker loses its trait and the one who replaced instantly generates 1 money, Or destroy the replaced creature and generate 2 money. this could allow for some creative plays like using a spell to see what the oponent's top card is, then deciding that to bet for it is worth it so you sacrifice a worket to get that card. Some decks could even center around this very Idea, to have a very strong economy to constantly disrupt their enemy by taking essential cards from their sinergy

The shape this is taking so damn quickly is admirable. Props to you man!

Man, this never gets old, it doesnt matter how much you explore the concept, so far theres no boring parts, i love you approach to make the game, its unique and very fun to watch, so excited to see what new things will be implemented

I am not a fan of Adventure Time. I was never allowed to watch the show as a child. Aside from that, this series is probably the thing i look most forward to each week.

its my BD today! perfect upload timing!

I give you so many props for tackling this, your work is seriously impressive and so interesting to follow

These updates are what I am living for! Keep up the good work, I can’t wait to see all the new land types when things get more ironed out. Your polls for what ones you should do next are just fantastic btw! Really makes me feel like I’m contributing to the progression path of the game.

I play a farmland card I can tap it for one mana so I can play dairy cow because dairy cow is a grazing type and I have greenest grass and play I get five milk counters on her which attracts Raging Bull from my hand. Raging Bull has ten attack but I can sell the five milk counters to the grocery store that I have on my side of the field 15 dairy dollars I then convert 15 dairy dollars to the 30 mana and that lets me play big gun I give my Raging Bull a big gun and now he has 20 attack okay so you and now you might say well on a second you have tollgate cards on your side of the field at any same if and with tollgate cards how could my dairy driver possibly afford to bring the milk counters to the grocery store how you ask the same things because I have a good work ethic card in my hand I play it and dairy driver gets a raise which means he can afford all the toll gates ok the extra dairy dollar is my dairy driver has I invest him and play a cheese factory the cheese factory creates one cheese per turnstile at the top five cards my deck and here we go the black of the read I don't think that cars even legal anymore black brie gets served and I received three colorless cheese Chakra with three colorless cheese chakra I can tap my cheese back three three more times and now I've done a tap somersault with a somersaulting cheese factory I can create triple the cheese output and get nine cheese chakra

BRO I HOPE THIS CHANNEL DOESNT FALL OFF WE NEED AS MUCH SUPPORT AS POSSIBLE FOR THE GAME 😭😭😭😭

I absolutely just love this series. I am going to look forward to more, and helping out the channel and stream!

I am loving these devlogs so far!

something of note i have red green colorblindness so I don't know for sure if this is normal but the numbers are not visible to me and I could only see them when the shadow was above them is there a way to make it colorblind friendly?

NEW DEVLOG YAYAYAYAYAYYA!!!!!!

I love hearing your game design thought process! Incredible project, im excited for the next installment!

I’m jazzed beyond belief about this, thank you for all your hard work

I disagree with the players auctioning for cards from other players' decks. It would mean that you'd have to keep track of who's cards you are taking so you can return them at the end of the game (assuming the game is intended to be viable IRL) and that gets really complicated when multiple players have the same card(s) in their deck

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I cant wait for the public playtest! Also make sure to take care of yourself during the process!

I think the "just floop everything"- thing could be resolved by giving all things that could be used for economy alternative, maybe lasting floop options, e.g. the cave of solitude protects a creature until destroyed or de-flooped at will, but can't be flooped for economy while protecting. Other special abilities could keep the card flooped for x turns. I think the structures we see in the first card wars episode of the show could work like this: Cave of solitude - as described, the creature inside can not be affected by anything but is destroyed if the cave is destroyed. The mind control tower can take control over creatures as long as it stays flooped and not be flooped for economy while controlling something, maybe this can't be ended willingly? Alternatively, it can stay flooped for X turns to charge up how many creatures it csn take over or how many attack- or defebse points worth of creatures. The school might let you pick a card out of the top x cards on your deck where x is how long it has been flooped with a worker in it, but put this ability on some cooldown...

2 views in eight seconds? Yung thugger really fell off now didn’t he?

I subscribed not because you asked, but because you earned it with good videos on an interesting topic and an awesome looking project I want to follow. Definitely booting up TTS with a friend to test this when! Good luck with everything champ

I have what I believe to be an excellent idea for how to make Range work. A creature with Range 1 can attack other creatures in its lane but is NOT considered battling if it is controlled by the player initiating the attack, therefore not taking the damage Associated with the battle. Additional points of Range allow attacking into other lanes, as we see archer Dan attack all 4 lanes. Range 2 would allow attacking an adjacent lane, Range 3 would allow 2 over, and a maximum of Range 4 would allow attacking from the leftmost lane to the rightmost lane. Archer Dan could specifically have Range 3, for instance, and one of the cornfield buffs could be what allows him to make multiple attacks at the same time.

For the economy it might be interesting to make it so certain buildings or creatures get a unique bonus effect similar to the wizard studying. It could also maybe relate to a unique resource (such as amount of corn) each faction has to manage.

What the banoonoonananoos man, I've been playing card games since I was a little kid. And it is incredibly impressive at how effectively and creatively you solve the problems presented to you by the game's format. I'm getting on the patreon, you have crazy potential as a designer.

Whenever I see your vids on my youtube feed is a dopamine hit! Keep up man, really excited to play the game

thats the coolest thing I've ever seen someone try to create. Keep it up!

Excellent progress.

Wow I just watched all the previous videos last night and today and now there's a new one- yay! You're working pretty diligently on this. Can't support financially or through art / "joining"/being a member but I wish you luck on your further work. Thanks for showing us the process :)

Idea for the damage system in the game. Cards could have 2 differing damage options, one based on a ‘raw’ attack and one based on the actual card description. You could think about this kind of like how in Pokémon, Pokémon can run out of pp and use struggle (except this ‘raw’ strength could differ based on card and be used whenever) Potential even throw in a critical hit in this type of attack so you’d have more of a emphasis to use it and a little bit of luck to make for some exciting plays in desperate moments.

Love the vid! Was really interested in what you had in mind for this part ^-^

This is a really solid documentation on the development lifecycle of a table top game

I always loved flavor text of MtG cards and such and always wanted to make some. Card wars being from Adventure Time is honestly the perfect place for some reall funny card descriptions! Cant wait to see what you do with them

First off another great video, keep up the great work! One suggestion I have is maybe cards can’t develop money until the next turn (kind of like a summoning sickness effect) another idea could be structures can’t be flooped to get money faster but say if you floop a card on a land that it synergies with you get a bonus effect like getting an extra money of getting the money sooner.

To solve the work replacement problem, as well as why you wouldn’t just floop your structures every turn, you could have some kind of morale system, where whenever you floop the same structure multiple times consecutively, there’s a chance that the workers (the workers implied to exist within the structures, not the actual cards) go on strike, said chance getting higher every time you floop that structure. Maybe you have to take some action to replace a structures workforce every once in a while as to like, stop them from getting comfortable? Maybe you could have “workforce” cards attached to structures, and a different workforce have different chances of striking under different circumstances. EDIT: kind of forgot workers in this whole idea. I’m not quite sure how this system would account for them.

Words cannot describe how much I love this series

I'm loving to see the card arts and concepts sprinkled in the video

Also you gotta give whoever is doing your sketch art a shoutout. They are killing it!

I'm loving this series

Alt wincons are my favorite part of any type of pvp boardgame, cards or not. Got reminded about it when you talked about the way economy changed the metagame. I really want an specific way to win through the economy instead of just a way to improve the basic wincons of "hit face". Tho, personally, I don't think it should be a basic thing in the economy that everyone can access, but maybe something that has to be achieved through deckbuilding? Something you really gotta commit to or that can be disrupted. [[Galifrey Stands]] is my favorite mtg card from the last year specifically because it is a deckbuilding challenge, more than other alt wincon enchantments ([[mechanized production]] and [[Simic Ascendancy]] for example, they are either fully automatic or too easy). Maybe something that requires an obscene amount of money so you really need to focus on production, in a way that tends to leave you way open to attack? Or something really telegraphed that falls easily to people that know what you are doing or have "removal". Doesn't even need to be good, I'm fine with a meme card that isn't good at all. I just think it is something that could be pretty cool, and a decent design space (once the game is finished tho). Besides, at least one tribe gotta be entirely based on economy manipulation and using money as an extra resource for abilities and spells, might as well make a card for it (Maybe if Treasure wins the poll in June?)

Don’t forget about that part where jake had a card underneath another one, i think adding this would be super cool

Finding out that the reaction phase was so powerful reminds me of the classic counter effect vs. counter the counter effect duels that occur in various tabletop games. It also reminds me of my swordfighting days where most of the learning is focused on how to counter your opponent's counter to your counter.

I love that u always post just as i gts n i have smth to watch as i fall asleep lots of love

I love the Endless Space 2 tunes in the background of this video!

I always get excited when these videos drop, you are such a satisfyingly logical person to listen to

*@BigHoles* 3:00 -ish. There is another dice game called: *"Dead of Winter: A Crossroads Game"* (try it) where at the start of your turn, pre-roll your dice, then you assign the dice values to different action & such on your turn, in that way the outcome of the dice ROLL itself is no surprise & it allows you some ability to "navigate around" a bad set of rolls. It's a really good game mechanic.

Love the economic system, here are some thoughts on what you could use it for. What about adding a competitive element to blind auctioning? When you auction Draw and show cards from both player decks and allow opponents to bid on each other cards? No draws exist in this instance, you either get your card, your opponent does, or no one gets the card (you don't have to bid). This in addition to using the money produced as a way to purchase (draw) cards would be an interesting system. They would kind of complement and round each other out. Using one money to draw cards would allow you to better manage your economy (and control the chaos on the board) and as the game progressed you would be incentivized to build on your economy while saving money in the hopes that you outbid your opponent during a bid, when one of their more powerful cards are drawn. Not only would this give you free information on your top-deck which is super important in card games, and does the same for your opponent it could also just be an addition that adds this crazy additional and simple mechanic. P.P.S: How would you feel about finding a way to maybe move the money from a visual standpoint off of the board, maybe give each player a wallet where they can check on their own money. Again this could potentially help to minimize board chaos and leave all of the chaos and crazy board stuff to the units and buildings. Really enjoying your videos.

Things are going so fast. This is all really cool.

I’ve been loving this series but also I have to say I love your music choice