Why ANDOR made me ANGRY  

Kenobi was made to satisfy a meme. Andor was made because someone had a story to tell. One show was always going to be better than the other.

They relied too heavy on the Obi-Wan Kenobi name and the cameos from Darth Vader and Leia, they didn't focus too much on the details like in Andor a character from a one off movie, they needed to draw people in, everyone would watch Kenobi, they needed to make sure people came and stayed for Andor

Andor is awesome. Stelan Skarsgard deserves an Emmy for his monologue in Episode 10.

They saved money on way less Droids, Aliens, and Battle. They concentrated on telling a story about people and emotions during a violent time in the Galaxy.

Talent. Writers, Directors, someone strong enough to stick to their vision and ignore studio notes and interference. It doesn't matter how great your cast is... because you can't polish a turd

I have to agree. Do I like Andor? Yes, I think it's great. But goddammit, after a Boba Fett show and a goddamn Obi-Wan show, why is Andor the only really good one? Andor should've been the worst one, not because I wanted it to bad, but because I wanted the other two shows to be better.

Seeing regular people deal with the empires policies and methods, particularly at this time in the galaxy’s history is very cool and adds a whole new layer to the galactic civil war

I actually have been pretty glued to the screen every episode so far, its fantastic

Andor is the quality that every Star Wars movie/series should have been. Hopefully Disney will make future shows and seasons with the same quality as Andor.

The Star Wars IP is a prison, and Andor is the closest thing it has to an escapee.

I liked that Andor didn’t have to be quirky, spout one liners or call back to references from past movies and shows. It does it’s own thing and I love every moment of it

They left Tony Gilroy alone to make the show he wanted, of course he knocked it out of the park

Editing mistakes? Filming restrictions? Dude, it's the WRITING. The writing in Kenobi was absolute shite. Its not subtle at all. Gilroy is in an entirely different league. How could you miss that?

Obi wan is the worst show I’ve ever seen. In my life. Andor is one of the best.

This show is actually really good

I kinda agree, it looks like they saved all their best writing and direction for Andor. Perhaps they felt the name recognition would carry the other series along, while feeling like Andor waa going to actually have to be good to survive as a series - and it is, at least so far.

Andor scratches a cyberpunk itch I didn't even know I had.

yeah the fact that Andor is better than BOBF and Kenobi is frustrating

Nah bro, your right. I think it’s simply about talent. Andor has a more experienced crew. It’s sad to me that kenobi ended up the way it did. But oh well, here we are.

I assume it's just what happens with decent writing, techniques for directing, and leaning on practical effects. I wish obi and boba were of the same quality but it is what it is

Andor Fantastic! This is solid cinematography and writing at a peace that builds up anticipation. The shots and sceneries remind me of a full blown movie epic, and I somehow forget I’m watching Star Wars because the environments seemingly blend into the story, where all I’m wondering is “what’s the this team n heist? And okay, this is a interesting in-depth look into the imperial world n process.” We’re also allowed a moment to see how the rebellion has to hide and act in a Post clone war, Empire. And the drama of the politics without it being to dull / ham fisted.

No, I agree completely. Dialogue, acting, story, settings, lore, and cinematography really make this show look good. Nothing seems out of place in the SW universe so far and everything seems to be moving naturally unlike Book of Boba Fett and Kenobi. The moment the Kenobi show was announced, I had a feeling it was going to be terrible. After watching Book of Boba Fett, I was almost certain. I was kind of worried for Andor, but after hearing that the same people that made Rogue One were working on it, I had hope. This show gives me hope for more SW shows like Ahsoka( please don't be bad).

10! This is what the real star wars was about,the rebel alliance

Andor episode 6 and onwards had me glued to the screen and binging harder than I anything since Stranger Things first came out.

This title baited me 😂😂😂 I thought it was gnna be a “there’s no Jedi or Eastereggs or Scooter gangs” Rant 😂😂😂😂😂

Obi-Wan and Boba Fett were overhyped and the shows were not as good compared to the hype. Boba Fett was lukewarm. Obi-Wan was good, but not great. Andor received probably the least hype but we are discovering that it is actually very good

Andor was great, talked about the "streets" in star wars universe. My boy caught a couple bodies, went on the run, doing a heist to get a bag,high speed chases,shootouts, homie even went to prison and escaped ,etc.😂

Nothing about Andor has ever felt “glacial” to me because the stakes were always made clear. If you understand that, which they hand to you in the dialogue, then you understand the minute to minute stakes.

Its not “pretty great” its a fucking masterpiece

I really think people misunderstand how "disney star wars" works. I think too many think of it as some conglomerate "pumping out content". Instead Disney simply provided a platform for different creators to approach the franchise. The reason Andor is better than Kenobi is because the creative team behind Andor is better than the creative team behind Kenobi.

Andor is the absolute best thing in the entirety of the Star Wars universe.

Absolutely agree. I was questioning how I could possibly like this show so much when I thought kenobi was horrible.

I think a lot of it can be placed on Tony Gilroy being the show runner. The man is incredible at his work.

I've been saying this for a while: I can't wait for Star Wars to finally step outside the established lore to an original story and not rely on fan service and the character work of the past. Andor is already a huge step forward in this direction. Even though it's set in an Era we're familiar with, the cheesy tropes we've become accustomed to were mostly absent.

It’s called good writing. And good acting.

You hit the nail on the head! A lot of the anger from the fandom is that ANDOR came out so good in so many ways!

I really feel like you underplayed how amazing Andor is.

You could reskin Andor, and with a few tweaks have it set in WWII Germany, cold war Eastern Europe, or in some form of near-future dystopia. It's a very well-written, grounded and hard-boiled spy thriller (so, John Le Carre, not James Bond), that could have been made at any point in the last 60 years. The downfall of the Kenobi and Boba Fett series, is that they are pinned down by expectations - there are a lot of people, who want a lot of different things, and who have very different ideas of who these characters should be, and what they should be doing. Ultimately, they ended up playing it safe, so that nobody got too angry online, and that limited what they could do.

James Earl Jones voice combined with Hayden Christensen when the helmet split open was one of the greatest scenes of all time for me . I know James was deepfake but still . Hearing Vader and Anakin simultaneously gave me chills 😂

The answer: the writing and the directing. Andor just got amazing writing and directing. Obi-wan sadly did not achieve that level.

Nah the quality in andor is wridly better than kenobi and bobf, whovever the writers where on andor, I want to see more from them, period.

Andor was about stuff every single person can relate to without even trying.

Watching Obi-Wan and Boba Fett, in both series the enemies, other than Darth Vader, weren't very threatening or scary. In Andor, the Empire was scary and brutal. Stormtroopers were intimidating and lethal, and getting stuck in their prison system filled me with existential dread and hopelessness. This is why Andor was _vastly_ more endearing, because the feelings it aroused were so strong. The last episode/battle was a final cathartic release from all the tension throughout the season.

Other than it being on an alien planet, it's basically a common story. Freedom fighter, fights against corrupt cops, Evil empire, And Military. . So this represents the fight against establishment.. I get it.

They had different directors with different views is what it boils down to. Compliments too Rogue one directors the ending was just great sad and beautiful all at once

What's crazier is that Andor and Obi-Wan have the same budget

the thing is plot, it is used at its almost best, last episode got me in tears

Tony Gilroy is a stronger filmmaker - not only in terms of writing and directing, but in terms of his ability to push back against executive interference. There is no way Deborah Chow could have called up KK and said, "the Volume isn't going to work here, we need to film on location." It was her first big gig, a gig they gave her. She would have been replaced the next day. Of course, it also helps that Andor isn't a huge legacy character, so there isn't as much riding on it in Disney's mind.

I could put one any episode of Andor and just get lost in it. It doesn't need to be action filled I just love the atmosphere of the time

I think writing and pacing are what separates Andor from Kenobi and boba Fett.

well more budget was given to andor most likely.

Simply, someone had a story to tell for Andor and cared enough to put work into it, focusing on making a well-written story first. When the pandemic hit and work ceased entirely, Gilroy…took the opportunity to redraft the script. Versus other Disney run projects where the script was literally being written as filming was going on.

Because they shoved what work they done to develop a ‘kenobi’ movie through a food processor multiple times to frankenstein it into a “TV show”, same w/ Book of Robert Fett… ‘Andor’ was developed from the jump as a tv show w/ the aspirations of like HBO-quality; you can feel all the calluses of the craft invested into this

So much of it comes down to good writing

I think it boils down to a higher censorship rating to express their creativity and direction. In my region here, it's given an NC16 rating. It's definitely much more mature. The violence is more brutal than every other Star Wars content that we're normally used to. And why it's more enjoyable than the Obi-Wan or Boba Fett series is because they're not limited by its legacy. Every character in Andor is morally grey. Lines are blurred between good and evil. Even the "good guys" can cross the line in the name of rebellion. Taking children hostage, even if they're the offspring of the bad guys, is a war crime in itself. Great writing, great production, great acting, great direction. I can't give it enough praise. It truly is an outstanding series.

The difference is that with kenobi and boba fett, their only purpose was to draw fans in with characters everyone already knew and loved. They were money grabs that disney demanded be made, and the creatives had to half-heartedly form a story around these characters. Andor being about a seemingly inconsequential character from a one off movie makes me think that the idea was birthed from the creative team behind the show, and not disney execs, because they had a story they wanted to tell. They were much more passionate about telling andor’s story than about rehashing characters we have been seeing for years

The simple unpopular answer is that you're not crushing the show with the weight of your own expectations. That's why rogue one was the best SW film for years.

You're off base by saying ANDOR was just pretty great. It was fk'n amazing!! The best Star Wars show ever made.

Kenobi was made to make fans squeal like small children. The question being asked by the writers was “What would a drooling fanboy want to see?” And the answer was: Order 66, Bale Organa, clone troopers, the Inquisitors, death sticks, Hayden Christianson as Darth Vader, Mustafar, Fort Inquisitorious, Owen and Beru action scene(?), Kenobi vs Vader rematch, and most importantly “Hello there”. It’s things you know, but not thing’s you’ll care to remember. The show was made to satisfy the memes. They never cared if what they were doing with the character was accurate, or even harmful. All that mattered was the meme… and Star Wars fans swallowed it like the good little nerds they are.

A big problem I have with andor and most of the new star Wars shows is that the planets don't feel like they are from a galaxy far far away because there are so many humans and something that is also kinda annoying is that they are all British

You know, I think Star Wars works best when you try to get out of your comfort zone and to actually make the universe larger. That's why The Mandalorian's first season was so cool, and that's why Andor is cool. We're seeing more of the universe. In Kenobi the only interesting thing to see was Obi-Wan's character.

The man behind Andor really wanted to make a good show. And that shines through in the quality

Kenobi wasn't made by someone who had a story to tell, it was made to make money.

"Boba fett luke warm at best" is the biggest overstatement made

You had people who knew what they're doing with Andor. Tony Gilroy is the real deal

Andor is the Chefs kiss of the star wars shows and the sequels. Omg the sequels 🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮

One of the things that made Andor awesome was the fact that it was relatively slow and small at first, so when big action scenes happened, it felt incredible. Other Star Wars shows try to be big and flashy all the time, which just waters down everything.

Shows the value good production, good direction, good writing, good casting ALL have on a show. This was clearly made by a completely different production crew than Kenobi and it shows. They probably had similar budgets, but allocation of that budget and talent of the creative artists are everything.

Andor captures the tone of the original film from 1977.

YOU ARE WAYYYY ON BASE, Andor should have been all the Disney + shows

Andor has superb writing and isn't relying on the past to tell the story. Obi wan is a character frim the padt but isnt relying on the nostalgia factor. Every character in Andor serves a purpose which isn't true for obi wan. Lil Leia wasnt necessary as well as the stupid lil Leia running from people. Obi wan was an event in obi wans life, it wasn't actually about Kenobi.

40:00 those star destroyers are CGI. It's just really well done

If I had to guess, I think the issue is that Andor wasn't expected to be a big hit due to the low profile of the characters involved. Since it was expected to flop, the executives at Disney werent focused on it and didnt give much input to the show which allowed the writer/s to create a genuinely good story.

Two words. Tony. Gilroy.

LOVE ANDOR…..period! The best show so far!!

Why Andor made me angry . . . it's so incredibly good that all other Star Wars is now mid at best by comparison.

I personally and strongly believe disney didn't put in the budget for obi wan and Boba because they thought the names themselves will sell the show and didn't bother to worry about how it looked 💀☠️

Best thing I seen describe this is Kenobi was a story that Star Wars had to tell, Andor was a story they wanted to tell.

Yeah it’s incredible how good this show turned out, I’m still in disbelief after finishing it last night. I bet the studio wrote it off and let the production team work without direct interference and oversight. It’s just so well done in comparison to everything else they’ve produced so far.

To me it felt like the production team focused on certain things they wanted to see, and didn’t really spare much thought to the rest. Classic example was the escape from fortress inuisitorious. They wanted a snowspeeder strafing run, that would look cool. Consequently you got that awful scene of kenobi smuggling leia out under a trench coat, and them seemingly forgetting that kenobi etc are essentially in a three sided box that is the hanger, so when the snowspeeders fly over their heads they should crash straight into the back wall of the hanger

They knew Andor wasn’t going to be the show people bought Disney Plus for so they let them actually have creative control and not have the executives grubby hands all in it. Which ironically made it the best show of almost all of them.

A big difference is that Andor was a UK production, not a U.S. one. The UK had different lockdown precautions AND it has a stronger film industry talent pool which comes off in the set design quality, filming, small details, and even to some extent,!acting.

Andor actually started it's production around the same time as mando 1, where as kenobi and boba were put into production after mando 2 had begun filming as well as andor stopping during covid and the other shows kept filming meaning the the crews were smaller, and those shows rely on cameos, nostalgia and is written and directed by people with very little experience, only j fav has experience of everyone making those shows, where as andor has a very experienced writing team and successful projects behind them like house of cards and the Bourne franchise, which you can feel in the dialogue, in andor characters are smart and don't have to spell everything out, one of the first scenes shows this when andor is putting together his alibi, brasso doesn't need to know what happened he just knows his friend needs him and we the audience can tell they're friends and have lied for one another before by how they react, where as in the other shows, we'd get his name, andor would call him his friend, how long they been friends and a quick history. They used real and practical effects, real sets and locations, like I've been to where the heist arc was filmed, it's a damm in Scotland. On the story front andor drew inspiration from philosophy books on oppression and rebellion, as well as real life people who went through things similar to the characters, where the other shows don't have stories or if they do very simple ones that require characters to be stupid, andor is really that complex it's mature sure but it does something the others don't and it respects the audience and it doesn't rely on constant action because it doesn't think the audience will pay attention unlike the other shows, like the other shows have really interesting and cool ideas but they never explore them, instead they have dumb action, like when a town is being attacked and a character decide to head home and get his rancor instead of his much fast and more powerful starfighter now that's fine, if that's what the finally will OK but the writers have to justify why boba didn't grab his ship or if a jedi was in a fight to the death with his enemy and instead of killing him he just walks away, now I understand kenobi can't kill vader cause the new hope has to happen but again you have to justify why, not because he decides not to, the first time in rots obi is heart broken but he even says the vader isn't anakin so you can't just say the same as that contradicts what you already said, I personally wouldn't of had vader in the show at all but if he had to be they should of done it in dream sequences, like obi relives mustifar and wishes he did thinks differently and that's why he's so focus on if Luke is showing as he must train him and right his wrongs but no we have to watch obi and a chilli pepper chase a little girl.

The difference is one was made with love and one was not.

The worst thing about Andor is that it proves Disney can actually produce a well written SW story if they want, and they just decided not to for everything else besides Rogue One

Because incompetent but powerful people always want to get involved when the product is mainstream, while side projects are left to be created by people with true creative talents

Kenobi was made because the fans demanded it. They gave in to the fandom. Andor was made because they had a story to tell. Sometimes the fans should just shut up. But for the record I did enjoy Kenobi a lot… Crystal Skull was another one where the fans demanded it, Die Hard 4, The Matrix 4, all made due to fan pressure. They didn’t turn out great

Andor was made with a story and direction instead of thinking this will make money and put no effort into it. I frigging loved andor

I think Andor having a similar grounded tone to Rogue One is helping push the show over. That and Andor doesn't have the nostalgia and expectations of characters like Boba and Obi-Wan. He's just a guy with a blaster against the Empire

An entry level, but still reliable, take is that the production team upped their game for Andor simply because the eponymous character lacked the infinite quantity of goodwill that fans have invested over decades of time into a Kenobi or Fett. Most never head of Andor, and Rogue One didn't even come out that long ago. Basically less room for error on Andor from the outset meant the team couldn't afford to mail it in.

La Raza just needs opportunities. We have great ideas and amazing focus.

Are they at all the same writing, cinematographer, sound engineers, and directing teams? Just having one or two of this be different makes a huge difference

Kenobi was made to satisfy a fanbase, Andor was made because they had a story to tell

Andor was good because there wasn’t much to the character before the show, so expanding on him was easy because we couldn’t collectively say “BUT HE WOULDN’T DO THAT!” Because we didn’t know anything about him really.

If andor is boring you, you need to increase your attention span.

Andor finally treated the old school Star Wars fans like intelligent adults, and tried to make a grounded story revolving around the start of the rebellion and what that would actually look like. Obi-Wan was just empty and pointless fan service. Also worth noting is apparently the higher ups in the studio mostly dismissed Andor and gave it creative freedom because they didn't think much of the show. Boy, were they wrong.

It’s complacency. With the other two they relied on the names and popularity to draw people in and didn’t need to get all the little things right because they knew people would watch it. It didn’t help the Kenobi was a side character in his own show. With Andor nobody was going to be drawn in purely by the name and idea so they actually focused on the details and writing to keep viewers. Andor contained multiple simple sequential stories that demonstrated what life under the Empire and being a rebel truly entails. What was Boba Fett about? The best episodes were really Mandalorian season 2.5. Kenobi was about an inquisitor who wanted revenge on Vader.

I love how they potrayed the empire in it, dedra's story and stuff is great, they made a small very forgettable character into one of the coolest star wars characters 9 and a half death stars out of 10 death stars yes i know this show came out almost 2 years ago

Different people made the shows. It’s also possible the Andor people were given more creative freedom because no one cared about what he did before Rogue One so long as he lives

Pretty simple reason why Andor comes out on top from a production standpoint; much better writing/directing team than Kenobi