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Why ANDOR made me ANGRY  

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Andor is actually pretty great. But something just felt wrong and we will get to that. The show is very well shot, the costume design is on point, the sets look real and weathered, the lighting, the acting, it is all very well made. I don’t think the show moves at a glacial pace like some others think in the fandom. None of the episodes outright bored me but I also wasn’t glued to the screen and gasping the whole time.
Despite the show centering around a character we already know the fate of, it still has a lot of meat on the bone. I would give the first 3 episodes like 7.5 death stars out of 10 or whatever. What had me bumming was all the positives. How is Andor, a show about a forgettable character from a one off movie, leagues above a Kenobi show? Don’t get me wrong, I didn’t HATE Kenobi but it looked like an ameture production in comparison to Andor. The small editing mistakes, the bizarre camera movements, the Volume being used heavily are not present in Andor.
It’s insane to me that they could make such an eh show with Kenobi but seemingly knock it out of the park with Andor. Kenobi and Boba Fett were the most lukewarm, skim milk shows. What do you think of Andor so far? Let me know in the comments.
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@gregoryhayes7569
@gregoryhayes7569 Год назад
Kenobi was made to satisfy a meme. Andor was made because someone had a story to tell. One show was always going to be better than the other.
@varasatoshi3961
@varasatoshi3961 Год назад
That’s true, but I really wish someone would have just… wanted to tell the story about one of the coolest characters in fiction.
@caelincoolz5814
@caelincoolz5814 Год назад
Hello, there
@ultrabigfella
@ultrabigfella 10 месяцев назад
A story should be made because someone wants to tell a story (Andor), or a story needs to be told (The Prequels). Kenobi was neither of these. We did not need any of the lore or events added from the show.
@jeremiemonette
@jeremiemonette 4 месяца назад
Well said
@sharkyj1796
@sharkyj1796 3 месяца назад
Perfectly put
@caldervitriolic2128
@caldervitriolic2128 Год назад
They relied too heavy on the Obi-Wan Kenobi name and the cameos from Darth Vader and Leia, they didn't focus too much on the details like in Andor a character from a one off movie, they needed to draw people in, everyone would watch Kenobi, they needed to make sure people came and stayed for Andor
@BarbsBasement
@BarbsBasement Год назад
This is a good assessment. I’m sure the people who worked on Kenobi wanted it to be good. The ball has to be dropped in a lot of areas for it to be that bland.
@theelderswear
@theelderswear Год назад
@@BarbsBasement in reality they probably have multiple teams working on different star wars shows and the andor team just brought it home way better I don't think they intentionally fudged up Kenobi but they just watered down the good parts
@christophergongora7885
@christophergongora7885 Год назад
No it’s who’s running the show from writers to directors Tony Gilroy is a legend and it shows, he made Matt Damon a badass as Jason Bourne and if you watch those films they had strong dialogue as well as thrills
@vyse102
@vyse102 Год назад
Absolutely. Nailed it.
@Kevc00
@Kevc00 Год назад
Plus the director for Andor is exceptional
@Maulinator69
@Maulinator69 Год назад
Talent. Writers, Directors, someone strong enough to stick to their vision and ignore studio notes and interference. It doesn't matter how great your cast is... because you can't polish a turd
@bobdole3251
@bobdole3251 Год назад
Exactly I was hooked on the dialogue
@kevalincowri586
@kevalincowri586 11 месяцев назад
You can't polish turds...but heck we'll give it a try
@alanfoxman5291
@alanfoxman5291 Год назад
Andor is awesome. Stelan Skarsgard deserves an Emmy for his monologue in Episode 10.
@Rendell001
@Rendell001 Год назад
And Fiona Shaw for episode 12!
@Tcr00712
@Tcr00712 Год назад
I don’t like how they used Ak 47s for blasters though it made it feel like it wasn’t Star Wars for a few scenes
@user-ub4pq9ci2r
@user-ub4pq9ci2r 11 месяцев назад
@@Tcr00712they literally used ww2 guns such as the c96 and Mg42 with added scopes in the OG trilogy lol
@vintagearisen
@vintagearisen 11 месяцев назад
That monologue was incredible. Just incredible. Exquisitely written and performed.
@julienvalley28
@julienvalley28 10 месяцев назад
@@Tcr00712I like to think that the aks made an appearance more as a symbolic standpoint, rather than an aesthetic one. Ak’s are revolutionary weapons, take a look at Vietnam, Angola, even Mozambique, the Ak in these countries helped to secure their independence. Now, the ak is helping to secure the independence of a new galactic republic
@Lawthefilmmaker
@Lawthefilmmaker Год назад
They saved money on way less Droids, Aliens, and Battle. They concentrated on telling a story about people and emotions during a violent time in the Galaxy.
@SircoleYT
@SircoleYT 9 месяцев назад
Then how does that explain Rogue One being amazing. It has the droids, aliens, and battles but still has engaging and personable characters who you care about, acting that isn't cringe, and no need for campy/cliche moments that don't make any sense (I'm looking at you fire pit separating Obi-wan from Vader. They show it in wide shots, it's like 20 feet wide. They could have just walked around it and grabbed Kenobi in like less than 10 seconds; but no, they stare at each other for several minutes while you see time isn't frozen because storm troopers are running back and forth in the background panicking at the small fire that they're not trying to put out but rather manically gesture towards like cavemen who have never seen such a thing before).
@KD--sj8eo
@KD--sj8eo 9 месяцев назад
@@SircoleYTRogue One is ok. Not as good as you think. Andor is the best written Star Wars story since Empire Strikes Back.
@Man_Emperor_of_Mankind
@Man_Emperor_of_Mankind 6 месяцев назад
​@@SircoleYTDude, he said that they saved money by not having that stuff, not that having that stuff somehow obligates bad writing
@Death_Chopper
@Death_Chopper Месяц назад
With that being said, the show still managed to have great action with actual stakes like the aldhani heist and the prison breakout
@yeetus_reetus_deeleetus
@yeetus_reetus_deeleetus Год назад
I actually have been pretty glued to the screen every episode so far, its fantastic
@fynkozari9271
@fynkozari9271 Год назад
You sit through the long boring conversations? Like the mother and son at dinner table? Talk talk talk nothing's happening.
@theedtity437
@theedtity437 Год назад
I wouldn’t say any of the dialogue in andor is long and boring most of it is pivotal to the show. Unlike obi wan and boba fett which had inconveniently long conversations just to extend episode length
@Alex-02
@Alex-02 Год назад
@@fynkozari9271Oh there is definitely stuff happening during those conversations, you’ve just proven you don’t pay attention to it.
@CT-7567-
@CT-7567- Год назад
​@@Alex-02 roasted
@CT-7567-
@CT-7567- Год назад
I was glued to the screen the entire prison break and finale
@CalSkywalker
@CalSkywalker 2 месяца назад
Seeing regular people deal with the empires policies and methods, particularly at this time in the galaxy’s history is very cool and adds a whole new layer to the galactic civil war
@rustyhowe3907
@rustyhowe3907 2 месяца назад
Ikr? Cassian is the true underdog as we see his life and predicaments and through that we see the world building through how the world the Empire made works. Whereas the established hero characters were given comically over the top silliness fueled by fandom and memes.
@jameshenry5525
@jameshenry5525 Год назад
Andor is the quality that every Star Wars movie/series should have been. Hopefully Disney will make future shows and seasons with the same quality as Andor.
@mstorrboy
@mstorrboy 6 месяцев назад
Andor is Star Wars for lovers of great writing and *overall* story telling. I also hope they do more like it.
@uranusismightybig5111
@uranusismightybig5111 3 месяца назад
Agreed! Raw and unpolished....like an un cut diamond that is beautiful just like it is
@TheNorthie
@TheNorthie Год назад
I liked that Andor didn’t have to be quirky, spout one liners or call back to references from past movies and shows. It does it’s own thing and I love every moment of it
@BarbsBasement
@BarbsBasement Год назад
Thanos will return in Mandalorian: The Revenge of the Clone Wars 2; Sidious Returns
@TheNorthie
@TheNorthie Год назад
@@BarbsBasement don’t give Filoni any ideas
@jpickens189
@jpickens189 Год назад
The Star Wars IP is a prison, and Andor is the closest thing it has to an escapee.
@ChangedMyNameFinally69
@ChangedMyNameFinally69 7 месяцев назад
Fallen Order is right there. Hell it shows you can throw in cameos and still make quality
@chelseaharding4513
@chelseaharding4513 19 дней назад
It’s because Andor found the One way out
@chelseaharding4513
@chelseaharding4513 19 дней назад
It’s because Andor found the one way out
@roguescorner9042
@roguescorner9042 Год назад
I have to agree. Do I like Andor? Yes, I think it's great. But goddammit, after a Boba Fett show and a goddamn Obi-Wan show, why is Andor the only really good one? Andor should've been the worst one, not because I wanted it to bad, but because I wanted the other two shows to be better.
@BarbsBasement
@BarbsBasement Год назад
It should have been the worst one in the sense that it’s still good but Kenobi was so great that everything else felt worse by comparison.
@randompeople465
@randompeople465 Год назад
When i know that andor is gonna be made by people that working in Rogue one *(Before Boba and Kenobi even realesed).* I already knew this show is gonna be great. Im not even surprise the show is good.
@maxdavis7722
@maxdavis7722 Год назад
@derpy alien they aren’t actually hating on the show, did you not get that? They are hating on the past two shows and how the hell this happened.
@thedarkknight5239
@thedarkknight5239 Год назад
That’s because Andor actually has a team that knows how to write a decent show. Like Tony gilroy.
@crowwithinternetservice
@crowwithinternetservice Год назад
@derpy alien Can you read?
@nwrob1
@nwrob1 Год назад
Editing mistakes? Filming restrictions? Dude, it's the WRITING. The writing in Kenobi was absolute shite. Its not subtle at all. Gilroy is in an entirely different league. How could you miss that?
@blazefa.
@blazefa. Год назад
Dude for real, nobody cares about the non-existent editing mistakes, sound volume or camera movements. Focus on the fucking story, that’s what separates Andor from kenobi and BOBF. Why critics attempt to drive home asinine points about meaningless aspects of filmmaking is beyond me, the STORY is what matters, character, plot.
@leonrussell9607
@leonrussell9607 5 месяцев назад
​@@blazefa.He said the VOLUME, its a new filming technology, he didnt mean the sound
@sirpepeofhousekek6741
@sirpepeofhousekek6741 4 месяца назад
The trench coat scene...
@penguinjammer8522
@penguinjammer8522 3 месяца назад
They left Tony Gilroy alone to make the show he wanted, of course he knocked it out of the park
@lorddaquanofhouserastafari4177
This show is actually really good
@BarbsBasement
@BarbsBasement Год назад
Agreed
@clave2049
@clave2049 Год назад
yeah the fact that Andor is better than BOBF and Kenobi is frustrating
@Adam-un5bq
@Adam-un5bq 10 месяцев назад
And Ahsoka, which really makes me mad!
@zachcreaghcoen2389
@zachcreaghcoen2389 10 месяцев назад
It’s not just better. It’s literally in a league of its own. It’s treats it’s audience like adults. That’s why it’s better
@wondernlight
@wondernlight Месяц назад
And the Acolyte... and probably 99% of all new series
@enzog1078
@enzog1078 3 месяца назад
Obi wan is the worst show I’ve ever seen. In my life. Andor is one of the best.
@Milimeteypetey
@Milimeteypetey 2 месяца назад
It’s far from the worst, but it might be the most mediocre. Which is why it’s so frustrating.
@enzog1078
@enzog1078 2 месяца назад
@@Milimeteypetey for me it’s not hyperbole. It is the worst show I have ever forced myself to sit through from beginning to end. It’s a 5/10. Like you said, mediocre.
@Falenir
@Falenir 2 месяца назад
Camn down boomer
@enzog1078
@enzog1078 2 месяца назад
@@Falenirit’s okay you have dogsh*t taste
@koterpavillian2850
@koterpavillian2850 10 месяцев назад
Andor scratches a cyberpunk itch I didn't even know I had.
@mr.e5595
@mr.e5595 Год назад
I kinda agree, it looks like they saved all their best writing and direction for Andor. Perhaps they felt the name recognition would carry the other series along, while feeling like Andor waa going to actually have to be good to survive as a series - and it is, at least so far.
@ljononez3794
@ljononez3794 Год назад
Dont think they saved anything . There is no conglomerate of writers ..just different ones and Andor luckily has established, accomplished writers. For me its kinda laid bare the inadequacies of the first 3 series..and the over reliance on fan service to cover the cracks .
@Lava589
@Lava589 Год назад
@@ljononez3794 Exactly.
@CasualG-mer
@CasualG-mer Год назад
If I'm correct, Andor took like more than a year to make and Tony Gilroy didn't want fan service...yeah, he said it. ObiWanKenobi was only there for fan service mostly...and fight scenes...omg. If you played old star wars games like Force Unleashed, you can tell that some fight scenes are nearly the same but done badly...nostalgia for gamers. Fun fact, originally, Darth Vader was supposed to win in the last episode.
@briansilva3344
@briansilva3344 Год назад
Different teams made Andor, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Boba Fett, and probably had access to the same technology available. My theory is that KK was very busy on Kenobi and Boba Fett (sabotaging both), that Andor slipped between the cracks.
@Njordin2010
@Njordin2010 Год назад
Woke hollywood vs talent
@jakelund5030
@jakelund5030 Год назад
Nah bro, your right. I think it’s simply about talent. Andor has a more experienced crew. It’s sad to me that kenobi ended up the way it did. But oh well, here we are.
@NoManSly
@NoManSly Год назад
Obi wan was awesome dude.
@user-vl2mr8mr5u
@user-vl2mr8mr5u Год назад
this is why you be spoon fed garbage till the end of time
@SneakyShelf00
@SneakyShelf00 Год назад
​@@NoManSly what was so good about it? It was just filled with bad writing and directing.
@zenwolf1293
@zenwolf1293 Год назад
I assume it's just what happens with decent writing, techniques for directing, and leaning on practical effects. I wish obi and boba were of the same quality but it is what it is
@tylerjsmithers8385
@tylerjsmithers8385 Год назад
Obi-Wan and Boba Fett were overhyped and the shows were not as good compared to the hype. Boba Fett was lukewarm. Obi-Wan was good, but not great. Andor received probably the least hype but we are discovering that it is actually very good
@stevebreedlove9760
@stevebreedlove9760 Год назад
I was honestly more hyped about Andor based on early discussions of the approach to film making and the committed length. I do wish Kenobi was better. But I always expected Andor to be the best of the announced projects.
@leonrussell9607
@leonrussell9607 10 месяцев назад
Obi wan was terrible
@justjax6000
@justjax6000 Год назад
Andor Fantastic! This is solid cinematography and writing at a peace that builds up anticipation. The shots and sceneries remind me of a full blown movie epic, and I somehow forget I’m watching Star Wars because the environments seemingly blend into the story, where all I’m wondering is “what’s the this team n heist? And okay, this is a interesting in-depth look into the imperial world n process.” We’re also allowed a moment to see how the rebellion has to hide and act in a Post clone war, Empire. And the drama of the politics without it being to dull / ham fisted.
@sallgoodman2323
@sallgoodman2323 Год назад
Totally felt like a spy thriller, the buildup is just awesome. I really like it, the Empire lingers as a much larger entity that still weighs on the people in the outer reaches
@olimar7647
@olimar7647 Год назад
Andor is awesome! My one complaint is that they had a guy wearing a hoodie, and that stick out far too much from the Star Wars aesthetic 😂 And also the baby-making scenes. I'd prefer they kept that out..... But the hoodie complaint is funnier.
@zakmartin718
@zakmartin718 Год назад
I'm on my second watch and both times I get chills all over during kino's one way out speech, genuinely my favourite piece of starwars media since revenge of the sith
@hassansuboh1891
@hassansuboh1891 11 месяцев назад
Andor is the absolute best thing in the entirety of the Star Wars universe.
@dathomirpizzagirl9686
@dathomirpizzagirl9686 Год назад
Its not “pretty great” its a fucking masterpiece
@falconone7230
@falconone7230 Год назад
10! This is what the real star wars was about,the rebel alliance
@gotchewz
@gotchewz Год назад
I agree 100%. You don’t need to rely on the same characters over and over again. Let side characters shine and help flesh the world out. If the Prequels had this level of story telling or at least a TV show as a companion piece - how much more weight the fall of the republic would have had. Andor shows you what Lucas wanted: politics, bureaucracy etc. But done well: Not too much, not too little. Just enough so we get the point. Andor could be straight out of the history books and that’s why it’s so relatable. It could be about the British Empire, the Soviet Union or Hitlers Germany.
@batalorian7997
@batalorian7997 Год назад
No, I agree completely. Dialogue, acting, story, settings, lore, and cinematography really make this show look good. Nothing seems out of place in the SW universe so far and everything seems to be moving naturally unlike Book of Boba Fett and Kenobi. The moment the Kenobi show was announced, I had a feeling it was going to be terrible. After watching Book of Boba Fett, I was almost certain. I was kind of worried for Andor, but after hearing that the same people that made Rogue One were working on it, I had hope. This show gives me hope for more SW shows like Ahsoka( please don't be bad).
@txusicB
@txusicB 5 месяцев назад
ass-hoka... lots of potencial.. but absolutely terrible, grey at best, boring most of the time!
@movielover7565
@movielover7565 5 месяцев назад
Ahsoka was pretty good.
@txusicB
@txusicB 5 месяцев назад
@@movielover7565serious?
@movielover7565
@movielover7565 5 месяцев назад
@@txusicB yeah.
@txusicB
@txusicB 5 месяцев назад
@@movielover7565its writing is lame, the characters are boring and the arc is gratuitous, nothing gets explained, and its not even that interesting, with lame clift hangers as its only means to hook people expecting a starter for a more vibrant history, and its a massive buildup, full of gas,, for the last episode... I´m sorry, but as much as i love the character and rosario Dawn... it´s just a pile of sighs! sorry but that is my opinion!
@SrTNick1
@SrTNick1 Год назад
Andor episode 6 and onwards had me glued to the screen and binging harder than I anything since Stranger Things first came out.
@Lava589
@Lava589 Год назад
I really think people misunderstand how "disney star wars" works. I think too many think of it as some conglomerate "pumping out content". Instead Disney simply provided a platform for different creators to approach the franchise. The reason Andor is better than Kenobi is because the creative team behind Andor is better than the creative team behind Kenobi.
@BarbsBasement
@BarbsBasement Год назад
I’m definitely not confused by that. There isn’t a chart somewhere that Disney has that’s from the best to the worst. My whole point is that Andor is great and I’m perplexed by how someone could have made such a medium show about Kenobi. They learned a lot from Mando Season 1 and that was to barely use practical sets and film everything in the Volume. Kenobi suffered greatly from this.
@Lava589
@Lava589 Год назад
@@BarbsBasement Right, what I am arguing is that Disney has less oversight than people think. I think they give more control to the creators than what is expected. Look at how some shows use the volume but then Gilroy was given full range to use an entire set. Even with the sequel trilogy, there's an entire rivalry where Abrams is single-handedly retconning what Rian Johnson did in the previous movie. I don't think Disney's Star Wars has a Kevin Feige type person behind the scenes, as much as we think. I wish we had someone behind the scenes to make sure Episode 9 made a more cohesive trilogy or that they kept the Kenobi on track to make a better show, but I don't think that's the case.
@uhkingdom
@uhkingdom Год назад
Nothing about Andor has ever felt “glacial” to me because the stakes were always made clear. If you understand that, which they hand to you in the dialogue, then you understand the minute to minute stakes.
@adrianstucky3186
@adrianstucky3186 Год назад
Absolutely agree. I was questioning how I could possibly like this show so much when I thought kenobi was horrible.
@eliazarbds24
@eliazarbds24 Год назад
Andor was great, talked about the "streets" in star wars universe. My boy caught a couple bodies, went on the run, doing a heist to get a bag,high speed chases,shootouts, homie even went to prison and escaped ,etc.😂
@kennethbarrington5773
@kennethbarrington5773 Год назад
It’s called good writing. And good acting.
@davidhernandez6593
@davidhernandez6593 Год назад
I've been saying this for a while: I can't wait for Star Wars to finally step outside the established lore to an original story and not rely on fan service and the character work of the past. Andor is already a huge step forward in this direction. Even though it's set in an Era we're familiar with, the cheesy tropes we've become accustomed to were mostly absent.
@shaderunner8220
@shaderunner8220 Год назад
I think a lot of it can be placed on Tony Gilroy being the show runner. The man is incredible at his work.
@fortunatus1
@fortunatus1 Год назад
The answer: the writing and the directing. Andor just got amazing writing and directing. Obi-wan sadly did not achieve that level.
@jocampo9435
@jocampo9435 Год назад
This title baited me 😂😂😂 I thought it was gnna be a “there’s no Jedi or Eastereggs or Scooter gangs” Rant 😂😂😂😂😂
@BarbsBasement
@BarbsBasement Год назад
Never. I don’t do that here in the basement.
@kevinbonilla9399
@kevinbonilla9399 Год назад
You hit the nail on the head! A lot of the anger from the fandom is that ANDOR came out so good in so many ways!
@thelegend_doggo1062
@thelegend_doggo1062 Год назад
I really feel like you underplayed how amazing Andor is.
@jellypenguin1826
@jellypenguin1826 Год назад
Nah the quality in andor is wridly better than kenobi and bobf, whovever the writers where on andor, I want to see more from them, period.
@arfived4
@arfived4 Год назад
You could reskin Andor, and with a few tweaks have it set in WWII Germany, cold war Eastern Europe, or in some form of near-future dystopia. It's a very well-written, grounded and hard-boiled spy thriller (so, John Le Carre, not James Bond), that could have been made at any point in the last 60 years. The downfall of the Kenobi and Boba Fett series, is that they are pinned down by expectations - there are a lot of people, who want a lot of different things, and who have very different ideas of who these characters should be, and what they should be doing. Ultimately, they ended up playing it safe, so that nobody got too angry online, and that limited what they could do.
@BarbsBasement
@BarbsBasement Год назад
Very, very well stated my friend
@Adam-un5bq
@Adam-un5bq 10 месяцев назад
Andor was about stuff every single person can relate to without even trying.
@aaronmueller1560
@aaronmueller1560 8 месяцев назад
Simply, someone had a story to tell for Andor and cared enough to put work into it, focusing on making a well-written story first. When the pandemic hit and work ceased entirely, Gilroy…took the opportunity to redraft the script. Versus other Disney run projects where the script was literally being written as filming was going on.
@mateuszzych3564
@mateuszzych3564 22 дня назад
Andor gotta be the best SW show to this day 🔥🔥 Can't wait for season 2
@imayormaynotbebatman8388
@imayormaynotbebatman8388 Год назад
James Earl Jones voice combined with Hayden Christensen when the helmet split open was one of the greatest scenes of all time for me . I know James was deepfake but still . Hearing Vader and Anakin simultaneously gave me chills 😂
@vice2versa
@vice2versa Год назад
Yeah thats the only memorable scene from Obi Wan
@nicholasrusso215
@nicholasrusso215 Год назад
That fight scene was so good it saved an absolutely worthless show
@SWDude2710
@SWDude2710 Год назад
@@nicholasrusso215 that and every time Vader was on screen being a total badass, like he should be!
@gregwasserman2635
@gregwasserman2635 Год назад
Too bad the scene made a shambles of the original storyline.
@leonrussell9607
@leonrussell9607 10 месяцев назад
They stole that from rebels
@Nay-kp6uu
@Nay-kp6uu Год назад
I could put one any episode of Andor and just get lost in it. It doesn't need to be action filled I just love the atmosphere of the time
@sluggodna
@sluggodna 3 месяца назад
Other than it being on an alien planet, it's basically a common story. Freedom fighter, fights against corrupt cops, Evil empire, And Military. . So this represents the fight against establishment.. I get it.
@AnthologyOfDave
@AnthologyOfDave Год назад
You're off base by saying ANDOR was just pretty great. It was fk'n amazing!! The best Star Wars show ever made.
@petekwando
@petekwando Год назад
Tony Gilroy is a stronger filmmaker - not only in terms of writing and directing, but in terms of his ability to push back against executive interference. There is no way Deborah Chow could have called up KK and said, "the Volume isn't going to work here, we need to film on location." It was her first big gig, a gig they gave her. She would have been replaced the next day. Of course, it also helps that Andor isn't a huge legacy character, so there isn't as much riding on it in Disney's mind.
@markslima1557
@markslima1557 Год назад
Watching Obi-Wan and Boba Fett, in both series the enemies, other than Darth Vader, weren't very threatening or scary. In Andor, the Empire was scary and brutal. Stormtroopers were intimidating and lethal, and getting stuck in their prison system filled me with existential dread and hopelessness. This is why Andor was _vastly_ more endearing, because the feelings it aroused were so strong. The last episode/battle was a final cathartic release from all the tension throughout the season.
@JingleJangle256
@JingleJangle256 5 месяцев назад
Kenobi was made to make fans squeal like small children. The question being asked by the writers was “What would a drooling fanboy want to see?” And the answer was: Order 66, Bale Organa, clone troopers, the Inquisitors, death sticks, Hayden Christianson as Darth Vader, Mustafar, Fort Inquisitorious, Owen and Beru action scene(?), Kenobi vs Vader rematch, and most importantly “Hello there”. It’s things you know, but not thing’s you’ll care to remember. The show was made to satisfy the memes. They never cared if what they were doing with the character was accurate, or even harmful. All that mattered was the meme… and Star Wars fans swallowed it like the good little nerds they are.
@1337w0n
@1337w0n Год назад
Kenobi wasn't made by someone who had a story to tell, it was made to make money.
@CarlosSoto-xe2we
@CarlosSoto-xe2we Год назад
Andor is the Chefs kiss of the star wars shows and the sequels. Omg the sequels 🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮
@originalsade7243
@originalsade7243 Год назад
The difference is that with kenobi and boba fett, their only purpose was to draw fans in with characters everyone already knew and loved. They were money grabs that disney demanded be made, and the creatives had to half-heartedly form a story around these characters. Andor being about a seemingly inconsequential character from a one off movie makes me think that the idea was birthed from the creative team behind the show, and not disney execs, because they had a story they wanted to tell. They were much more passionate about telling andor’s story than about rehashing characters we have been seeing for years
@sir.mannington
@sir.mannington 10 месяцев назад
The man behind Andor really wanted to make a good show. And that shines through in the quality
@CanTho2022
@CanTho2022 3 месяца назад
LOVE ANDOR…..period! The best show so far!!
@bigm8785
@bigm8785 Год назад
I think writing and pacing are what separates Andor from Kenobi and boba Fett.
@johncy11
@johncy11 Год назад
YOU ARE WAYYYY ON BASE, Andor should have been all the Disney + shows
@granthambeard
@granthambeard Год назад
The simple unpopular answer is that you're not crushing the show with the weight of your own expectations. That's why rogue one was the best SW film for years.
@kentslocum
@kentslocum 5 месяцев назад
One of the things that made Andor awesome was the fact that it was relatively slow and small at first, so when big action scenes happened, it felt incredible. Other Star Wars shows try to be big and flashy all the time, which just waters down everything.
@chimichangazon6526
@chimichangazon6526 Год назад
They had different directors with different views is what it boils down to. Compliments too Rogue one directors the ending was just great sad and beautiful all at once
@BozQ
@BozQ Год назад
I think it boils down to a higher censorship rating to express their creativity and direction. In my region here, it's given an NC16 rating. It's definitely much more mature. The violence is more brutal than every other Star Wars content that we're normally used to. And why it's more enjoyable than the Obi-Wan or Boba Fett series is because they're not limited by its legacy. Every character in Andor is morally grey. Lines are blurred between good and evil. Even the "good guys" can cross the line in the name of rebellion. Taking children hostage, even if they're the offspring of the bad guys, is a war crime in itself. Great writing, great production, great acting, great direction. I can't give it enough praise. It truly is an outstanding series.
@michaeltucci3038
@michaeltucci3038 Год назад
Andor has superb writing and isn't relying on the past to tell the story. Obi wan is a character frim the padt but isnt relying on the nostalgia factor. Every character in Andor serves a purpose which isn't true for obi wan. Lil Leia wasnt necessary as well as the stupid lil Leia running from people. Obi wan was an event in obi wans life, it wasn't actually about Kenobi.
@Heuhegeygeygeheu
@Heuhegeygeygeheu 3 месяца назад
If I had to guess, I think the issue is that Andor wasn't expected to be a big hit due to the low profile of the characters involved. Since it was expected to flop, the executives at Disney werent focused on it and didnt give much input to the show which allowed the writer/s to create a genuinely good story.
@BBQHotPocket
@BBQHotPocket Год назад
Because incompetent but powerful people always want to get involved when the product is mainstream, while side projects are left to be created by people with true creative talents
@officialmonarchmusic
@officialmonarchmusic Год назад
What's crazier is that Andor and Obi-Wan have the same budget
@castlesandcuriosities
@castlesandcuriosities Год назад
Shows that you really do need to spend that money on talented people... And have a plan too that helps. Dont think the Kenobi writers got much beyond "we want to do a show where Kenobi and Vader have a rematch"
@officialmonarchmusic
@officialmonarchmusic Год назад
@@castlesandcuriosities I think Deborah Chow is an episode director, because it seems like she had no idea what to do with the massive budget she was handed. Tony Gilroy has been in the industry for years and years and knows quite a bit about conserving your budget
@a.jordan9288
@a.jordan9288 Год назад
well more budget was given to andor most likely.
@BarbsBasement
@BarbsBasement Год назад
I believe that had similar budgets actually
@a.jordan9288
@a.jordan9288 Год назад
@@BarbsBasement 12 episodes , actual locations and low volume usage,etc vs 6 episodes high volume usage.... I don't feel it's same budget. Even if one says Ewan payment is high the cast overall is shorter than the massive one of Andor. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
@BarbsBasement
@BarbsBasement Год назад
It’s more episodes so the overall is probably higher but I’m curious the cost per episode.
@grahamhill676
@grahamhill676 Год назад
@@a.jordan9288 Why would Andor (some dead guy from rogue one) have a bigger budget than the long awaited show about the fan favourite Obi-Wan Kenobi. That literally doesn't make sense. Andor is better on the merits of script, pacing, storytelling and production quality. There was no excuse for Kenobi to be so poorly made.
@Noid1220
@Noid1220 Год назад
@@grahamhill676andor had a budget of 250M (average 20m per episode) while obiwan had 90m (average 15m per episode)
@memymomalex
@memymomalex Год назад
Shows the value good production, good direction, good writing, good casting ALL have on a show. This was clearly made by a completely different production crew than Kenobi and it shows. They probably had similar budgets, but allocation of that budget and talent of the creative artists are everything.
@jattdachannel6652
@jattdachannel6652 Год назад
the thing is plot, it is used at its almost best, last episode got me in tears
@BobbyCoolBreeze
@BobbyCoolBreeze 2 месяца назад
Andor captures the tone of the original film from 1977.
@hellfish2309
@hellfish2309 Год назад
Because they shoved what work they done to develop a ‘kenobi’ movie through a food processor multiple times to frankenstein it into a “TV show”, same w/ Book of Robert Fett… ‘Andor’ was developed from the jump as a tv show w/ the aspirations of like HBO-quality; you can feel all the calluses of the craft invested into this
@michaellaramee1965
@michaellaramee1965 10 месяцев назад
Best thing I seen describe this is Kenobi was a story that Star Wars had to tell, Andor was a story they wanted to tell.
@scoso1313
@scoso1313 4 месяца назад
Yeah it’s incredible how good this show turned out, I’m still in disbelief after finishing it last night. I bet the studio wrote it off and let the production team work without direct interference and oversight. It’s just so well done in comparison to everything else they’ve produced so far.
@Man_Emperor_of_Mankind
@Man_Emperor_of_Mankind 6 месяцев назад
The worst thing about Andor is that it proves Disney can actually produce a well written SW story if they want, and they just decided not to for everything else besides Rogue One
@connorwesthoff948
@connorwesthoff948 2 месяца назад
They knew Andor wasn’t going to be the show people bought Disney Plus for so they let them actually have creative control and not have the executives grubby hands all in it. Which ironically made it the best show of almost all of them.
@waldofound8212
@waldofound8212 11 месяцев назад
Andor was good because there wasn’t much to the character before the show, so expanding on him was easy because we couldn’t collectively say “BUT HE WOULDN’T DO THAT!” Because we didn’t know anything about him really.
@freeman5110
@freeman5110 Год назад
It's because people, fans and the current writers apparently, love all previous Star Wars/Skywalker-focused stories while at the same time being sick to death of it. Nearly fifty years of constant, overwhelming Star Wars-porn (including movies, cartoons, books, comics, toys, merchandise, etc., etc.) has burned out the fan base, even if some won't admit it. They yearn for something familiar, but new. The OG fans, like I was, are today either middle aged or even elderly. Imagine being brought up being bombarded by the same story, the same fictional characters. It just wears itself out. This is why Mandalorian and Andor have done well. They understood the assignment.
@magicalpj
@magicalpj 9 месяцев назад
Why Andor made me angry . . . it's so incredibly good that all other Star Wars is now mid at best by comparison.
@goldenstatewarriors9418
@goldenstatewarriors9418 11 месяцев назад
It’s complacency. With the other two they relied on the names and popularity to draw people in and didn’t need to get all the little things right because they knew people would watch it. It didn’t help the Kenobi was a side character in his own show. With Andor nobody was going to be drawn in purely by the name and idea so they actually focused on the details and writing to keep viewers. Andor contained multiple simple sequential stories that demonstrated what life under the Empire and being a rebel truly entails. What was Boba Fett about? The best episodes were really Mandalorian season 2.5. Kenobi was about an inquisitor who wanted revenge on Vader.
@Seren2010kinder
@Seren2010kinder 2 месяца назад
Andor was made with a story and direction instead of thinking this will make money and put no effort into it. I frigging loved andor
@BrucknerMotet
@BrucknerMotet 2 месяца назад
An entry level, but still reliable, take is that the production team upped their game for Andor simply because the eponymous character lacked the infinite quantity of goodwill that fans have invested over decades of time into a Kenobi or Fett. Most never head of Andor, and Rogue One didn't even come out that long ago. Basically less room for error on Andor from the outset meant the team couldn't afford to mail it in.
@mazhar3447
@mazhar3447 Год назад
If andor is boring you, you need to increase your attention span.
@wyrm_51
@wyrm_51 Год назад
Pretty simple reason why Andor comes out on top from a production standpoint; much better writing/directing team than Kenobi
@mickeymorrissey
@mickeymorrissey 10 месяцев назад
Andor was the best thing they’ve made since rogue one
@potato_duud6166
@potato_duud6166 Год назад
A big problem I have with andor and most of the new star Wars shows is that the planets don't feel like they are from a galaxy far far away because there are so many humans and something that is also kinda annoying is that they are all British
@Dogman171
@Dogman171 Год назад
It's a lore thing man, humans are the most technologically advanced species in the star wars universe and managed to colonize most of the known galaxy, hence why so many humans.
@BallMuncher555
@BallMuncher555 Год назад
It makes sense from a live action perspective since it’s much easier to cast a bunch of people than using alien costumes or CGI so they tend to just be mostly humans.
@potato_duud6166
@potato_duud6166 Год назад
@@Dogman171 yes but it's f you watch the old movies and even in the new movies there are so many more aliens/non human creatures that it felt like it was "real" But now they feel acted because everyone is human and has a British accent
@juliusemperor907
@juliusemperor907 Год назад
Andor is Mexican bro🤣🤣🤣
@potato_duud6166
@potato_duud6166 Год назад
@@juliusemperor907 yeah but every single side character is British
@upshotMusicTV
@upshotMusicTV Год назад
I almost didn’t watch Andor cause of the lack of interest in the character and the recent failures of Star Wars content… but boy am I glad I did!! This is everything Star Wars is supposed to be about! Hands down some of the best Star Wars content we’ve ever gotten!!
@Qbertqueso
@Qbertqueso Год назад
I think Andor having a similar grounded tone to Rogue One is helping push the show over. That and Andor doesn't have the nostalgia and expectations of characters like Boba and Obi-Wan. He's just a guy with a blaster against the Empire
@jeremiemonette
@jeremiemonette 4 месяца назад
Well the thing is that the writers, directors, and producers of Andor were largely the same as those who made Rogue One--which is widely noted for its superior writing and production than other SW movies around then, particularly eps. 7-9. It was a breath of fresh air that renewed our hope in Disney's Star Wars. They made Andor to the same level of quality, while most other SW productions follow in the line of the trilogies, big booms with beloved characters that get weak writing with lots of holes, unrealisms, and inconsistencies. My anger is with everything that's not R1 and Andor that isn't made to the same standard. I love SW so much, and it's disheartening to see it get poor quality of production.
@iancrisp9027
@iancrisp9027 2 месяца назад
Kenobi was made to satisfy a fanbase, Andor was made because they had a story to tell
@MCernoble
@MCernoble 9 месяцев назад
Andor was a story that hasn’t been told, with new characters. That’s why inspired artists were attracted to it. If you make kenobi or boba fett, they’re going to be bland cause none of these people wrote the characterization for obi wan in the first place. ++ boba fett was going to be bad, don’t even know how people thought that would’ve worked out.
@musicamaxima
@musicamaxima Год назад
Andor writers knew what worked from the source material and what didn’t. Kenobi felt like fan fiction because the writers didn’t have the discretion or taste to write a careful or elegant story. Andor writers look at what they have to work with and dedicate those details to a theme: anti-fascism. Every tidbit from the lore they borrow or expand upon is in service to the theme. Whether or not you agree with the messaging, this is basic authorial competence on display, something we get very little of these days.
@deadgalaxy1
@deadgalaxy1 Год назад
I think it more has to do with who’s making the show. Tony Gilroy really knows what he’s doing and isn’t focusing on cameos, rather focusing on character development and bringing things to Star Wars, that has never been there before
@greyman003
@greyman003 18 дней назад
Andor is Star Wars for adults. Clearly we all started to love Star Wars as children. Now we have a different perspective and deeper interest which requires Andor to explain.
@gavinderulo12
@gavinderulo12 3 месяца назад
40:00 those star destroyers are CGI. It's just really well done
@marcussabom2696
@marcussabom2696 3 месяца назад
Andor finally treated the old school Star Wars fans like intelligent adults, and tried to make a grounded story revolving around the start of the rebellion and what that would actually look like. Obi-Wan was just empty and pointless fan service. Also worth noting is apparently the higher ups in the studio mostly dismissed Andor and gave it creative freedom because they didn't think much of the show. Boy, were they wrong.
@anthonyjohnson6199
@anthonyjohnson6199 10 месяцев назад
Because Andor was written by an actual writer and not a room of producers.
@GeekyMedia
@GeekyMedia 10 месяцев назад
A big difference is that Andor was a UK production, not a U.S. one. The UK had different lockdown precautions AND it has a stronger film industry talent pool which comes off in the set design quality, filming, small details, and even to some extent,!acting.
@markusleb
@markusleb 5 месяцев назад
I think the difference here is the political power of Tony Gilroy within Lucasfilm: with his proven approach to R1 he was able to extract a budget of $250M for Andor S1 vs a meager $90M for Kenobi. This all translates into much more resources and options to draw from artistically, and it shows.
@SgtWicket
@SgtWicket 4 месяца назад
Who is saying Andor is slow? Every three episodes made up a satisfying mini-arc. It was perfectly paced.
@castlesandcuriosities
@castlesandcuriosities Год назад
It aint just the details and the camera work mate. The writing. Holy crap the writing in Andor is in a completely different league to the absolute brain dead Mando/Boba/Kenobi series.
@archiethejanitor6779
@archiethejanitor6779 7 месяцев назад
"Boba fett luke warm at best" is the biggest overstatement made
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