UPDATE - Response from Toei : / 1078009065232449537 Follow me on Twitter: / stumblebeetv I take a quick look at who and why multiple Dragonball Fighterz tournaments are being shut down.
NotaBumblebee it’s funny cause I just recently got back into fighting games and was thinking of playing fighterZ alongside soul calibur but at this point idk if I even wanna support the game because of toei
from what I understand that has to do with lot of people playing it but it's not generating sales that they see for their game so they get mad but it's not costing them money I mean everyone that plays the game well enough to enter the tournament Odin's it or they're not going to do anything in the tournament
These old CEOs need to be replaced with newer generation CEOs already, at least in the entertainment industry. They're so out of touch it's baffling how they can still function as the leader of a large corporation
NinjaBryden unfortunately, there is jo telling what any new CEO might do either. The main problem is that many of these companies are using tactics to just have full control of their “product”. By doing so, they will be always on top of events and such that they can profit from. Think of it like RU-vid’s broken copyright system. Creators of their “product”(be it music, video, or any thpe of media) may come after your video, even if the footage of their “property” is placed for even half of a second. Why? Cuz they want to profit from it. That is my opinion at least.
As long as the even older share olders are going to trust them they are not going anywhere. I mean, the dear 100 years old duke Helmut VonLickëndickën isn't going to trust those 50 something brats... they want mature people handling their investments.
That, and you could argue that streams are just free ads for the game. There are people that don't even know the game exists and people that barely heard of it. It's just a dick move by Toei.
Uh yeah I honestly bought Dragon ball fighterz for the story mode and some fun later. Love the story in it. Don't assume everyone bought the game for online play
@RaineTCG If you suck after months of playing even with guides and help from players then you're not putting in the right amount of effort. Honestly it doesn't take long to understand fundamentals and how fighters work.
MrSTVR honestly there are enough casuals to where they’d probably be able to comfortably sell the dlc and make a pretty penny of it tbh. This isn’t SFV where they need the FGC to succeed, DB as a franchise actually has the potential to expand pass that and even if I don’t like it, they have a very high chance of continuing bullshit like this.
JamRock Bless I agree, DBFZ will still sell like hot cakes. I don’t understand this mentality that if the FGC boycotts a huge fighting game with a very popular IP like Dragonball, that it’s over for the game. The FGC was and is still very irrelevant and tiny compared to the overall sales of DBFZ. The huge majority of sales are made up of casuals and that won’t change anytime soon.
Namco bandai: let's make the best fighting game ever. Toei: Do it with Dragon ball Arc Sys: Count me In! Toei: Dragon ball fighterz will be the best competitive fighting game ever and everyone will want to play this! After the game is done. Toei: Let's Shut down any participation of OUR GAME from any tournament..... GENIUS!!!!!
BlitzkriegOmega Except Toei doesn't have enough power to influence the state of the game (even in their financials, they only get a smaller cut compared to Shueisha, the major rights owner, and Bandai Namco).
Mr Read No, Toei can not, and I just explained why. Think of it as this: Shueisha can easily strip away Toei's rights to soley animate Dragon Ball (which is all Toei has control over), or Bandai Namco's right to produce and distribute Dragon Ball video games and toys. Shueisha owns Shonen Jump and Viz Media properties in every aspect.
I really though with DBFZ and Smash Ultimate the FGC could go to the next level, but now I feel the top games are being killed by the people who benefit from their success the most.
> Smash > The FGC Pick one. And no, DBFZ has been losing steam ever since EVO ended and both Street Fighter V and Tekken 7 have outdone it competitively, entrants and viewer wise. The FGC won't lose anything from the death of "Marvel for Toddlers".
@@Phoenix-pb4sm The Smash community and the FGC are two separate things, that's a plain fact. DBFZ is also worthless trash and brought more harm than good to the scene. If it dies I'll be very happy, and that too is a fact.
I mean, there's no indication that Nintendo have done anything as far as I can see. Ultimate gets played at tournaments. It's probably just too soon for it to hit the majors. Nintendo has supported Smash at tournaments for a while now.
As usual with many companies the higher ups have not got the fingers on the pulse and there is a real detach, the people at ground level are usually more in the know
Is being Mahvel cursed now? First Mahvel dies on the back of Disney's assinine demands (and Capcom too let's not let them slide), now the succesfull replacement for it is on the robes and just about done because of another idiotic parent companny.
Solid Snake But even so, I bet you that Disney told Capcom to focus their Marvel cast strictly on the MCU because of the then beef they had with Fox, as to not give them any attention, which in my opinion is BS, but the damage had already been done. I would’ve preferred if they waited another decade after MVC3 to release a 4th game, probably right after the Disney-Fox merger was complete,
Even if MDisney was pushing for movie properties alone, MVCI doesn't get an excuse. People obsess over X-men and how Disney screwed the fans, but people forget how awful and boring the capcom side was. Firebrand of all things make a return? really?
That’s crazy,you can’t do what you want with an item you purchased. Imagine the auto industry stopping race car tournaments because is shows cars that they made which you bought.
Do you really feel that's a fair analogy Imozart? If so, I'm going to go have my classic Edsel read me the Chronicles of Narnia after chewing it out for being a slacker.... :3
You actually aren't that far off.. many tractor companies have built software directly into their machines that stops farmers from being able to fix it themselves. A black market of jailbroken tractor software has opened up, no joke Look up "right to repair" laws
first, congrats on the partnership! second, why even have the game made if they dont want people hosting tournaments? its a fighting game for gods sake.
alex they most likely didn't expect it to do as well as it did. It's not like the fgc pulls league numbers, so seeing it pull numbers over SF who created the fgc shocked them. It's like comparing how anal marvel became once Disney bought it and avengers made bank.
because they expect to be paid for the tournaments happening without running them or sponsoring them themselves , so they put a price on it, it's fucking dumb but it is what it is, they're trying to cash in which they have a right to do but they're going about it in the dumbest way
Ah I wish I could. Sadly 3-D games just aren 't the same since I switched to stick. Not only that but playing Tekken without being able to use Wei (the Bruce Lee/Jacky Chan cop guy) is just not the same. He's one of my favorite fighting game characters of all fighting games! Then again, so is Fei Long (sensing a pattern here) Not only that but I was playing over at a friends so I picked the Capoeira guy and was greeted by words that for me translate directly into "Hello boy. You cannot escape me, in *any* game! Bwahahhahahahhaaa!!!!" That jerk of a friend hadn't told me the Broken Demon was in the game! 0.0
I swear copyright laws need some sort of update into the modern era. I feel like companies within reason shouldn't be allowed to effect how people enjoy their product as long as it was acquired through sanctioned means. Like purchased at a approved retailer.
i agree. i mean what could possibly happen, a massive crowd sees how awesome the game is and rushes out to buy it? or people stream gameplay on youtube/twitch and people learn that it exists? theyre seriously shooting themselves in the foot with this nonsense
There's nothing wrong with playing the game and hosting tournaments; that's all completely legal. The problem arises when tournaments bring money into the equation. The issue lies not in the law; it's the community.
They don't make see a dime from any tournaments held outside Japan. So no, they aren't shooting themselves; in fact, they are increasing their profits. If it kills the game, then they move on to something else.
@@xato-1 ARC doesnt get a say in that, they just developed the game. If you want to see how arc handles DLC look at Guilty Gear. Usually two characters and they're both cheap to buy .
Toei needs to chill out, every company should take a cue from SEGA and just let the fans do what they want, it helps your reputation even if it ruins the reputation of the community.
It's probably because they want to promote their stupid japan only smash league with items and final smash meter on. They probably have all stages legal, what a joke.
Too bad Toei Animation is getting greedy at the worst possible time, especially when they geoblocked their official online store to be Japan-ONLY. Never mind the fact the Digimon fanbase suffered thru their greed, the moment they moved the budget, writers, animators, and staff to Dragon Ball Super, yet Digimon Adventure tri. BADLY NEEDED those. It sucks the overall Dragonball fanbase is suffering from Toei's greed for higher fees for rights and lust towards it, despite the fact Toei received the anime rights for Digimon as compensation for pre-merger Bandai, getting the exclusive toy and videogame rights for Dragonball since the 1980s. If Toei is serious about a quick billion yen, they should sell the Digimon anime rights back to its IP owner, Bandai Namco. Pre-merger Bandai already owns Digimon since 1997.
@@phantomgamer4463 Thanks for the info dump, but let's talk about the fact Toei is already at the point they are about to anger a longtime business partner in Bandai Namco. In addition, Toei Animation also did the anime adaptation for Xenosaga, another Bandai Namco IP.
i remember along the same lines, the several flat Omega stages in Smash 4 wii u were not even considered for being allowed at Evo because apparently ....of the music that COULD play in them.
Something about licensing and the complexity of playing music from multiple composers/franchises/companies was probably too much to deal with sorting out, so Evo disallowed most stages. Ironically, Smash4 was the 1st smash where every stage could be altered into a flat "omega" version specifically so competitive folk could duel while still seeing/hearing visuals & music from multiple franchises. Furthermore, I never really saw these "omega" stages being used in tournaments outside Evo either, but it was likely because of variations in the walls/ledges/dimensions that overcomplicated things for the community anyway.
I've never seen any of your videos but I appreciate your right to the point informative style of video, showcasing relevant sources, speaking clearly and confidently. Good video buddy, hope your partnering works out for you !
A hardcore fighting game that cant be played at tournaments? That's how you kill a game toei. Smash could survive because its smash and even the most casual gamer on the planet can have a passing interest in it. DBF does not have that same appeal. Fighting games are meant to be played in tournaments and in competition. Without that, the game WILL die
It is a dark time for team based fighters. Marvel was doomed from the start and now DBFZ is being marred by it's own IP holders on a community level. The worst kind of disrespect
How are you going to make a competitive fighting game and not want it played in tournaments? Makes no sense. I understand why they don't like Four Star. Because Four Star may be damaging the look of dbz and they are uploading footage without Toei's permission. But I don't get why they don't want a competitive fighting game of their own not in tournaments.
They don't like either because they are not making money off of them. You have to think of it in the way that dbza and tourneys are using their products to make money. I think toei believes that they should be getting a piece of the profits( I kind of agree and kind of don't)
@@remileclerc9627 That is possible. I think they don't like how their anime is being uploaded and used without their permission. I wouldn't like that If someone did that to my anime.
I think the best thing to do imo is to make small, short and easy to make videos regular and more often while keeping a gap for the big projects to be done well (as always) with no more than 2 weeks of working I know it's hard but i think this is the best way to become big as fast as possible without lossing quality in the process especially after you have entered the youtube project Wish you the best of luck👍
Congrats in the partmership. Also, sad for Dragonball Figtherz, it's cool to see those tournaments, hope Toei see the problems and allows the tournaments.
NinjaBryden Toei doesn't have as much power compared to Shueisha or even Bandai Namco when it comes to "video games". Blame Shueisha for being stubborn.
@@transformersrocks123 They still own the Dragonball IP tho. Bandai just has publishing rights to it. Toei still has more power overall. Bandai owns the game, but Toei owns the name the game is under, which reigns supreme in the end.
NinjaBryden Close, but it's actually Shueisha that owns the Dragon Ball IP with Bird Studios (Toriyama's company). Shueisha gives the licenses to Toei and Bandai Namco the right to make animated content and video games respectively; it's not the other way around.
Kind of off topic, but tournament are you showing us in the background of the video? I see Sonic Fox is going up against GO1. I haven't seen Sonic Fox use Gotenks in quite some time. Is this after the balance patch we had a while back?
Stumblebee, congratulations in advance. I love gaming news, and I love fighting games. I never expect to have a fighting game news. I am subscribing and will support you however I can. Now I have YongYea and Stumblebee. Pretty satisfying.
Im fine with ArcSys partnering up with new IP owners to make a completely new FGs every year. Most FG fans dont compete for long, and Goku sadly doesnt need the fgc. We needed him to boost the genre past niche status.
Well sucks to hear this like fuck it's a Holiday bummer haha... But I would like to say that I really appreciate how you ended the vid! Congrats on the announcement!!! And can't wait to see how you progress PS .. Never Seen any of your vids but definitely got another Subscriber out of me!
It's things like this that make me believe that franchises like Dragon Ball and Super Smash Bros. need rival franchises that appeal to similar crowds, so that their parent companies are motivated to get their acts together when they start losing revenue to competitors.
I know this might sound stupid, but you think it has to do with the new dbs movie coming out? Maybe they want people to pay attention to the movie so they can get direct profit than from the video streaming and rights? I dunno just throwing a guess
Pirates are going to pirate anyway, and non-pirates won't. Again, the difference is Honor and Morality. As for DBZF fans, well it makes you wonder why they care so much about a story based on Heroes, really. 0.o
Yup, many people making that mistake when it's Shueisha that owns that entirely of the Dragon Ball IP across all mediums and them licensing out the animation rights to Toei is basically the only reason Toei is allowed to handle it. So yea, Shueisha are the true owners/overlords of everything Dragon Ball.
@@DeathBringer769 I know this fact won't change a lot of people's minds on the situation, and it shouldnt, but at least they should think about it civilly than getting ready to bash one company.
Toei does not own Dragonball they have a license from Shueisha to make the anime Shueisha owns Dragonball they are the ones who stopped the tournaments.
@@solastice445 It's Shueisha that owns that entirely of the Dragon Ball IP across all mediums, and them *licensing out the animation rights to Toei* is basically the only reason Toei is allowed to handle it, a deal which could theoretically be retracted in the future if Shueisha chose to. So yea, Shueisha are the true owners/overlords of everything Dragon Ball.
So the problem lies in streaming? I imagine a company outside of your country can't stop people from getting together to play a game which is what tourneys boil down to
Idk what's with some these Japanese game publishers (or publishers involved with it) want to stop people from having fun with their games. Makes no sense to me....
i bet they are gonna try to run it all in house. they want all the profits from the interest, which THEY already got in sales, but they don't like watching other companies make decisions around their game.
Toei is pathetic, Team Four Star helped keep DB fans still interested in the product during a time frame where no new content except for games were out... Now this. I'm not even a big fan of the game yet but I can see how petty this is
@Johnny Revenue Many old cartoons are still loved somewhat today, are you aware of the definition of nostalgia? And the fact that things like the Dragonball franchise are still reeling in new people as it is. If you are indeed trolling, then you are terrible at it.
Joe Di Sunno Careful. Capitalism isn't perfect. But it's way better than communism. This whole drama is taking place because a bunch of old coperate guys don't understand the internet or the current generation of consumers. They will either see the light when we all start to Boycott Toei or they will be replaced by people who get us.
Afrika Smith the very fact that you see them as separate issues is wrong. What do you think a corporation is exactly? And why are the most powerful people out of touch? Because it’s the most effective leadership for asserting their dominance on the IP and making more money than all other rights holders. Corporations are always out of touch, you think you can fix that without radically changing capitalism? Ha okay
Joe Di Sunno I wasn't seperating Capitalism and Toei. I just simply stated a fact and added my opinion on Toei. Some people and companies can change if they listen to their critics if they become aware that they are losing their consumers. Their are rich douchebags that do things rash, but they don't always stay in power.
While I'm not going to say Toei wasn't part of it, let's not forget that this game has a monumental dropoff around the same time MVCI was officially declared dead. In fact, its playerbase has been in decline and in general has not been eliciting much hype for awhile. Toei may be blocking them out of tournaments, but that didn't negate the fact that the, BY DESIGN, was meant to be simple and easy to pick up and by result didn't have an incredible amount of depth behind it. After awhile, you're mostly doing the same shit over and over and over again and all the flashiness wears off as its lack of mechanical complexity reared its ugly head. I'm not shitting on the game for it, but these are naturally the type of fighters that fall off quickly, not just because people get bored of playing it, but it gets boring to watch too. Toei has its share of the blame, but we can't pretend that this game wasn't already in the process of dying to begin with. Everyone laughed about it killing Marvel, forgot about it for a little while, dropped the game, and then started asking "Where did the playerbase go?" as if they, too, hadn't left it for dead. Then everyone started mourning the Marvel franchise as if months before they hadn't been parading its corpse in the streets like an achievement.
I’d beg to differ because lythero’s lobby shenanigans in mvc3 has him doing the same thing every single match. And there are a lot more tools to his disposal
As if no fighting game has a drop in player base months after its release lol. MK player base goes through this, Injustass, Street Fighter (yes even during SF4 days, Marvel, Skullgirls (OMEGALUL), and even Guilty Gear/Blazblue. There is no game exempt from that reality. Here we are 4 months after it beat SFV in attendance where the game is going to die not because of the community, but by the dumb corporates. So yeah you’re totally wrong.
Nailed it, mainstream game for mainstream crowds, it's dull, simple and the flashiness can't carry all that dead weight, just too shallow to survive the passing of time, had it's run tho, I'll never forget getting shoved that shitty game into any media I was watching for a good week, of course anyone with a tiny bit of foresight knew it was dead from the start, just grab all the money and get out, it's targeted at people who like db you know? You can't get easier money from dumber people
it's nice to play a game without delay, my every game is delayed about 20-50ms, it's like watching a movie that was filmed over two devices and then shown on your monitor.
Not sure if all the truths are out yet but I'm OK with it not being streamed/played at non official events, etc. if that's will (and right) of the owners of this huge franchise. The game is what's important to me but it does suck for the pros who's already invested a lot.
It's an extremely scummy thing to do when a lot of people make careers off organizing competitive scenes for these games which only do good, so it makes 0 sense to do something like this
*Wise* words and something aspiring pros (and companies) should consider. Aspiring Pros: Study the history and recent actions of the company who's game you are investing your energy and your life into and most importantly be aware that *most* of them plan very short ("2 years" if you're lucky, DBZ wasn't.) life cycles for them to capitalize on the rising popularity of fighting games and sell their next one. Companies: Be *public* about your commitment to your game. Sure, have life cycles but be aware that you can make just as much money (and attract the top talent) by making your game a *platform.* Please don't *start* with an IP you don't control. Build a great game and *make* those characters an IP. In other words do this Toei/Sushihaha thing in complete *reverse.* If what you are doing is *publicly and obviously* going to support the pros and people we all love watching, then the FCG will support *you.* :)
Wouldn’t this be because of Sueshia or Bandai Namco not Toei *Animation* you know since Sueshia holds the actual IP to the franchise. Kind of ridiculous you couldn’t even get those simple facts straight first.
Question. Why did the dlc characters got shown in the places they hold tournaments like “cooler”. And where’s the real reason? Instead of speculation and opinion of game host.
Why is there no fucking backlash from the community!? I don't want to sound aggresive, but dammit. Look at Melee, they gave 0 fucks about what Nintendo told them and now look where they at now! They made an esport from the ground by themselves.
Disliked because it has nothing to do with Toei Animation. It's Bandai Namco/Shueisha stopping the game from being in tournaments. Toei has nothing to do with the games.
I basically run an Esports club at may school, and we ordered DBFZ for tournament play. The biggest tournament we would have is a bunch of schools participating. Hopefully this news won't affect us.
If the tournament gets big enough and word gets out there enough publicly... Shueisha/Toei may have some words for you. It seems they are trying to kill any and all future public tournaments of the game in all capacities, sadly. That means even 10 people in a high school gym would probably unfortunately qualify as "public tournament" as well. Basically they are being such dicks about this that it's like they are basically saying "Do private matches in your own private home with your limited group of personal friends, ONLY. Anything larger or more public we will consider a violation of our IP." It's just sad and absurd, but it's the current reality with Shueisha/Toei now I guess, lol.
@@DeathBringer769 Ok, I think I understand this. So even if it was 16 people, the open participation to 300+ is enough to get it struck down. Even with the restriction of having to be part of the school, and the added restriction of having to be part of a list for a serious tournament, they will have a problem.
Its probably a matter of interest. The best reason i can come up with is them not wanting anyone else to make money out of their property. So they shut down anything related to their products that wasnt their idea.
Makes no sense unless they plan on hosting tournaments themselves. I mean it would not only kill interest in the game, but it's the sort of thing that would cause backlash against them for future releases as well, if consumers can expect this to happen again.
Personally i find that the focus on the competitive scene of fighting games lately is actually hurting the genre in general seeing as their is less focus on the casual players. The fact that there are less game modes, less story, less characters, and overall less fun unless your someone who just pours hours into online play. I luv fighting games but ive always loved arcade ladders and story mode that give the characters...character
remember that time when goku was dying from an illness and trunks time travel to provide the medicine that exist from the future... yeah... i guess no one is safe from corona. Not even a Super Saiyan can survive the power level of a single strand of DNA
I heard such good things about this game then read recently fans were disappointed. Do they know that tournaments sells games? Everyone there bought a copy, tons of watchers who haven't played-potential customers, it sells season passes if a tournament is active. That's just bad business. But is it really illegal to run a tournament? You got people sitting down playing legally purchased copies of the game
