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Why are degrees of freedom (n-1) used in Variance and Standard Deviation 

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Tutorial on how to understand degrees of freedom and why n-1 is used instead of just n for sample variance. Includes the reason why n-1 is use for a sample, but for the population variance. Video includes a visual and numerical example. The n-1 is used to adjusted the variance because of the error between the sample mean and the population mean.
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@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 11 лет назад
Thank you for you compliments and feedback. This idea of degrees of freedom keep coming up, so I am working on another video that discusses degrees of freedom across statistics (standard deviation, in regression, in chi square, ANOVA, etc.) The reason for n-1, is in standard deviation (or variance), we are estimating only 1 variable. In a linear regression equation degrees of freedom are n-2 because we are estimating two variables (y intercept and slope of the line).
@amrellaithy2167
@amrellaithy2167 Год назад
Still looking forward to the video on degrees of freedom
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 11 лет назад
The reason for n-1, is in standard deviation (or variance), we are estimating only 1 variable. In a linear regression equation degrees of freedom are n-2 because we are estimating two variables (y intercept and slope of the line).
@nihleigleca6702
@nihleigleca6702 Год назад
If only all the instructors are this patient, clear, and informative 👍👍👍
@k.y.y7515
@k.y.y7515 Год назад
The best part of your video is when you show the population curve and the sample curve. By comparing the two curves, the idea on why sample variance (or sample standard deviation) is smaller than population variance becomes very clear and easily understandable. Well done!
@drupeerd
@drupeerd 8 лет назад
Ugh. This doesn't explain "Why are degrees of freedom (n-1) used in Variance and Standard Deviation". It explains "What happens when (n-1) is used in Variance and Standard Deviation".
@alexclaxton143
@alexclaxton143 8 лет назад
+d00niepwns Because n-1 gives you a better estimate of the true population mean. Also because you are attempting to estimate a specific, usually unknown number. If you know the population mean you don't need to use n-1, you can just use n, as you aren't estimating anything.
@fengxingxing1348
@fengxingxing1348 6 лет назад
why is (n-1) istead of other adjustment,such as (n-2)? why wen choose degree freedom as numerator?
@angelapascual8077
@angelapascual8077 6 лет назад
d00niepwn
@HRH-pn2qe
@HRH-pn2qe 5 лет назад
I thought this was clearly explained within 1 and a half minutes....
@pbog131313
@pbog131313 7 лет назад
This is doesn't explain df. All you really did was show that n grows, subtracting just 1 has a smaller effect. You didn't need to go to all this trouble to make that point. This video is very misleading.
@manish3889
@manish3889 6 лет назад
I agree the video is 100% misleading.
@ahmaddynugroho
@ahmaddynugroho 3 года назад
I agree. I don't see any reason why (n-1) is prefered. The difference decreases between n & (n-1) along with the increase of sample, and a data will always has big enough sample
@rc....
@rc.... 3 года назад
agreed
@kangkeunrhee3503
@kangkeunrhee3503 9 лет назад
Beautiful illustration. I am taking a stat course to refresh and strengthen my knowledge, and have been wondering the idea behind degrees of freedom. This video helped me a lot. Thanks.
@cowspeeoutmilk
@cowspeeoutmilk 7 лет назад
Thank you for making this video. It was very helpful and gave me some much needed clarity! I appreciate you taking the time to do this.
@MrMjps77
@MrMjps77 9 лет назад
I love your illustration method of explaining stats concepts, by far the most thorough method I've seen yet.
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 9 лет назад
John Paul Thanks John Paul! If you get a chance make sure you like and share the videos, it will make it easy for others to find them.
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 11 лет назад
Yes I am. I have been teaching at the university level for about 10 years. AND thanks for the compliment. Make sure you like MyBookSucks on FaceBook (see link in video description). This will help others find the educational videos.
@jannamoen4370
@jannamoen4370 7 лет назад
I'm a graduate student in the third statistics class of my academic career, and I feel like I finally understand degrees of freedom after watching this. Thank you so much!!!
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 11 лет назад
The standard error of the mean is the standard deviation divided by the square root of the sample size. I don't have any videos on the quadratic mean, but I need to create some.
@mrwillia2
@mrwillia2 Год назад
i have returned to school, after a couple decades, taking statistics. When I don't understand these subtleties I am left lost and unable to connect the dots. This video was tremendously helpful. Thank you.
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 11 лет назад
Great to hear, I appreciate the feedback.
@YeungLorentz
@YeungLorentz 4 года назад
never mind, i still think this is a good explanation, though not directly. But with a little bit of sense of self taught , one should be able to figure out the reasons by themselves. The blames are just too mean.
@Jay_N_A
@Jay_N_A 3 года назад
Thanks
@jenroberts7267
@jenroberts7267 2 года назад
The way you explain stats makes it easier to understand! Thank you for the videos! :)
@user-qv1yb2qc5s
@user-qv1yb2qc5s Год назад
Man' I've been struggling with this topic and you made it so understandable that seem unreal how easy it is. Thanks!
@BenjaminKuruga
@BenjaminKuruga 7 лет назад
Thank you very much. A great format for showing WHY things are. I understand my undergrad professors wanting to give us the tools for successfully interpreting usable data and reporting it but I for one need to see proof in order to be satisfied and for it to stick.
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 11 лет назад
Good to hear and good luck on your tutorial and exams.
@dipayansarkar3594
@dipayansarkar3594 7 лет назад
Simplification is not easy. And you have done the simplification. Kudos.
@gloryths
@gloryths 9 лет назад
Everything's perfect! But from where did this -1 come from?.Why it's not n-2 or n-3 for instance?
@sjwang3892
@sjwang3892 9 лет назад
Imagine you start with two points. Pick any one point assuming it's fixed, then the only variation depends on how the left one varies from it. When we have three points, with any one point fixed, there are two variations because the left two points are free to move. That's the idea of degree of freedom. With any value of the sample fixed, the left n-1 values have the freedom to move within the interval so there are n-1 degrees of freedom.
@jamenlong1097
@jamenlong1097 8 лет назад
+Shijie Wang Thanks for the explanation. But where does the idea of "fixed" points come into play? In a data set, what is assumed to be a fixed point? And why is there only one?
@YeungLorentz
@YeungLorentz 4 года назад
@@sjwang3892 excellent point. agger.
@HCsailingon
@HCsailingon 4 года назад
I agree. It sounds quite arbitrary to me too. If I had to guess, I'd say -1 allows you to make the adjustment but not by a wild lot. It's a very cautious adjustment, and also a safe thing to do mathematically (you won't get 0 or negative, assuming your sample size is >1), therefore -1 becomes the convention? My feeling is n-1 isn't chosen because it's DOF - it just happen to also be DOF... I'm no mathematician so anybody who has the answer please correct me.
@mathew_pang
@mathew_pang 8 лет назад
I really love your video!!! may i know what software or application you are using to make all this animation?! I would be very very happy if you are willing to share =)
@DiscreteChan
@DiscreteChan 8 лет назад
I think it's Keynote.
@demarlus
@demarlus 9 лет назад
This was a very clear example and made a seemingly complex problem very doable.Thanks!
@LorieAloha
@LorieAloha 9 лет назад
You saved me - not only does my book rot - I don't understand what to do when I take a test - thank you for the step by step and explanations...
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 9 лет назад
Lorie Lorraine Interpreter You are welcome and happy my videos saved you from your tests. If you get a chance like MyBookSucks FB page at www.Facebook.Com/PartyMoreStudyLess , this will help others find the videos.
@LorieAloha
@LorieAloha 9 лет назад
You are an amazing educator. I have been tasked with reviewing some other teaching materials as well as assisting with streamlining or improving our on-line classes here at a local community college - in Hawaii. If I could only replicate your level of engagement I'm certain I could increase the effectiveness of our programs. I'm so honored that you responded as I admire your work and would abandoned all of my career aspirations and "fetch" for you - just to have the chance to learn how to synthesize information the way you do. Might I add that the high quality of your video, the speed of your voice and intonation creates a top notch work product, the likes of which are NEVER seen on youtube - or anywhere else for that matter. Please keep up the great work as you inspire me. My entire study group now tunes in. Would you consider serving as my virtual mentor in the hopes of helping me better serve our Deaf and Visual learners and community. Mahalo & Aloha!
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 11 лет назад
Technically I think you are correct. I am trying to show as n (sample size) gets large it equal N. I probably should have said the n --> N explicitly. Thanks for the feedback and it is much appreciated.
@LorenzoMarkovian
@LorenzoMarkovian 7 лет назад
Great work. Thanks a lot for creating it.
@kengking2708
@kengking2708 9 лет назад
This is the kind of explanation that all my prof have tried to learn over the years and never mastered... I can sense alot of preparation and passion you have in this subject to teach than those academic prof who earns 5 digits and contribute to confused students so that they can retain in their academia world
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 8 лет назад
+Keng King Well, I am glad my videos are helping you. If you get a chance, like and share some of the videos. Also like my facebook page (www.FaceBook.Com/PartyMoreStudyLess). This will help others find the videos.
@GurpreetSingh-qe8sx
@GurpreetSingh-qe8sx 8 лет назад
tommarow is my exam i jst read out the data without understand it but when i see this video it made my topic super intersting thnks u so much i will sure attempt the data u provided in this video thnk u so much sir!!!!!!!!!!!!
@elmoreglidingclub3030
@elmoreglidingclub3030 2 года назад
Excellent!! I teach, among other things, statistics and analytics at a university and live covering these topics with my students. I strive to convey an intuitive understanding with less emphasis on the mechanics of the calculations. Great video, great stuff.
@DrGovindakbari
@DrGovindakbari 7 лет назад
Great stuff simply explained. Bravo, Keep it up dude !
@jeremyhobart6387
@jeremyhobart6387 2 года назад
Hi. Another of your great tutorials. You mention another tutorial on the theory of degrees of freedom. Is it still available? Thanks
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 11 лет назад
I plan to create videos for degrees of freedom for all the statistical tests including ANOVA. Since you asked, ANOVA will be the next degree of freedom video I create. I hope you saw the ANOVA videos on my channel -- I think I have 6 or so.
@diddydeeable
@diddydeeable 8 лет назад
Thank you so much!!! The animation is great, clear and simple with step-by-step instructions
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 8 лет назад
+Diana Adamczyk You are very welcome. I try to take complex ideas and simplify them. If you get a chance, then like, share the videos. This will help others find the videos too. (www.FaceBook.Com/partymorestudyless)
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 10 лет назад
I have not finished it yet. Make sure you subscribe and also like MyBookSucks on FaceBook (see link in video description). This will help others find the educational videos. This way you will get a notification that the video has been posted.
@GT-hj7ko
@GT-hj7ko 7 лет назад
Thank you very much, the visuals help greatly.
@pakhtoon2544
@pakhtoon2544 4 года назад
Well done, Great channel , need more videos from you, your channel is subscribed
@Rey_B
@Rey_B 2 года назад
so far the best video in dF ❤️
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 11 лет назад
Also, I have a video on "Margin of Error" if you go to the channel statisticsfun, you can search for the video. That should help you understand the relationship between sample size and error.
@somcana
@somcana 6 лет назад
I applied for masters in epidemiology. Thanks, your videos are amazing review of statistics.
@janbenedictsaldana6613
@janbenedictsaldana6613 4 года назад
Great video. Simple to understand.
@Norfeldt
@Norfeldt 11 лет назад
I really liked this video :-) Well explained. Thank you very much !
@anilpanagoda8560
@anilpanagoda8560 7 лет назад
Nice explanation!
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 11 лет назад
Always good to hear. Good luck in your graduate studies too. Btw, what are you studying?
@somilas1414
@somilas1414 9 лет назад
This video is the best, thank you.
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 9 лет назад
Somilas GH You are very welcome!!! Hopefully you will like, share, subscribe, If you get a chance could you please like our FB page. www.FaceBook.Com/PartyMoreStudyLess It will help others find the videos.
@thepresistence5935
@thepresistence5935 2 года назад
extraordinary explanation. Thank you so much
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 11 лет назад
Interesting? If this is the case, then how does sample size impact margin of error? Look at the formula before you answer the question.
@GemsGreenBox
@GemsGreenBox Год назад
very clear...it helped me a lot in my presentation...thank you
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 11 лет назад
Do you mean Margin of Error? Because I do have some videos on Margin of Error or Confidence Intervals too. If you go to my channel statisticsfun and search on Margin of Error.
@Coocoocrab
@Coocoocrab 10 лет назад
Awesome. Great explanation!!!
@fetlawi70
@fetlawi70 7 лет назад
High clarity!..Thank you
@ahmedal-kinani2201
@ahmedal-kinani2201 10 лет назад
thank you so much, it's so useful video and your language is very clear
@temenoujkafuller4757
@temenoujkafuller4757 11 лет назад
Please, correct me if I am wrong. I think that in videotutorial "Why are degrees of freedom n-1," in the last few slides, the formula for variance of the population has x-bar instead of mu, and n instead of N. Needless to say, I love this tutorial. Thank you for your hard work.
@suprabhathapaliya2833
@suprabhathapaliya2833 5 лет назад
Thank you. It was fruitful.
@renouncedaZfk
@renouncedaZfk 10 лет назад
really nice video and explanation - the polish, what software did you use?? this is by far the BEST i've seen. I know others have copied KA's rainbow text on black but this is so much nicer and clear when it's typed
@dipanshu2207
@dipanshu2207 11 лет назад
That helped me alot thnx.. looking forward to some more of your videos
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 11 лет назад
Sorry Ryan, nothing on Monte Carlo Simulation. Make sure you like MyBookSucks on FaceBook (see link in video description). This will help others find the educational videos.
@magdalenagutierrez7260
@magdalenagutierrez7260 10 лет назад
Thank you for the explanation.
@NinaLing2009
@NinaLing2009 10 лет назад
Great video! I leant intuitively why n-1 is used but still would like to know more theory about why it is use. Where is the subsequent video?
@threeinone3947
@threeinone3947 2 года назад
Thank you for this understandable video
@sagi1547
@sagi1547 11 лет назад
For someone like myself, who "hates" statistics but needs it a lot, you sure help. Thanks. You made it so much simpler to understand and even more attractive. At least now I don't have to email my statistician with every simple question.
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 10 лет назад
Thanks for the compliment. I use a variety of different software including photoshop, illustrator, HTML5, Final Cut, GarageBand and a few other products. Each video takes me a long time to create. My rule of thumb is each minute of video takes about 12 hours to create, so a 7 minute video takes me about 84 hours of development time.
@piun6705
@piun6705 7 лет назад
Hi, your explanations are simply splendid.. thanks a tonn.. but i did miss the part on why the DF is needed explicitly. it would be very kind of you, if you could explain & how do we interpret test of significance using appropriate degrees of freedom..
@zi_yeah
@zi_yeah 11 лет назад
A very helpful video. I liked how you had the presentation already prepared rather than writing/drawing out everything in the video as you explained it, which can be unnecessarily time-consuming. I was, however, hoping to understand why the degrees of freedom are 'n-1' in particular, and not 'n-2', for instance. Thanks.
@santalos5
@santalos5 7 лет назад
awesome work, thank you sir
@sinaamini5070
@sinaamini5070 4 года назад
Very well explained, thank you
@VeenitShah
@VeenitShah 9 лет назад
Which software/technology is used for creating this video? I really liked it. Simple. Intuitive. :) *thumbs up*
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 9 лет назад
Veenit Shah I use a lot of different types of software from Adobe Flash, Illustrator, Garage Band and Final Cut Studio. Unfortunately there is not one single tool and I string them to together using a variety of different software products. Each minute of video takes me about 8 house of work.
@tevinmuparadzi4594
@tevinmuparadzi4594 9 лет назад
statisticsfun well i would like to thank you for your time. Really appreciated your work
@ThinkerMahmud
@ThinkerMahmud 8 лет назад
Learnt two important points. Thanks.
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 11 лет назад
You are very welcome. Make sure you like MyBookSucks on FaceBook (see link in video description). This will help others find the educational videos.
@alexisandcrystal1
@alexisandcrystal1 11 лет назад
I agree, this professor teaches how I would like to teach. Thank you proffessor
@chitralchadda2903
@chitralchadda2903 5 лет назад
At 0:13 in video we are always taking numerator to be 240. But while we increase the sample size from 4 to 6 wouldnt the numerator 240 also be changed ?? since we have added more observations so (observed valued - mean value will be different now)
@SpringfieldM1A
@SpringfieldM1A 11 лет назад
Hmm... not sure if it does explain why n-1 is used. Why not n-2 or n-3 or n-.0354698? A good explanation of why the results converge as n increases but not why "1" is used
@M3grls
@M3grls 11 лет назад
You are absolutely wonderful! This is going to help me so much in my graduate studies many thanks :)
@thepresistence5935
@thepresistence5935 2 года назад
where are you working now?
@muralidhar40
@muralidhar40 5 месяцев назад
Why the sample curve is like that? Shouldn’t “representative samples “ be used? So that sample curve will be a symmetrically equal version of “population “ curve?
@feralcatness
@feralcatness 8 лет назад
But you didn't mention degrees of freedom till the very last sentence. Is the n-1 the degree of freedom?
@alexclaxton143
@alexclaxton143 8 лет назад
+Erin Bartos For a sample, yes. If you have data for the whole population your degrees of freedom = N (as you aren't estimating an unknown number)
@sanfran224
@sanfran224 8 лет назад
Beautifully made
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 8 лет назад
+Sami H Thanks for that. If you get a chance share and like the videos. Also like MyBookSucks FB www.FaceBook.Com/PartyMoreStudyLess.
@nishafurtado
@nishafurtado 7 лет назад
Good video. where can i find the subsequent video
@kylelance4280
@kylelance4280 10 лет назад
thank you so much prof, awesome animation and very clear annotation, yet still the same question, i know that we are estimating only 1 variable, but what exactly is the relation between that and "n- 1"? i think it could be 2 or 3 or 1000? why must 1???
@ryanwilson9283
@ryanwilson9283 11 лет назад
Thank you for video. excellent. Do you have video explaining Monte Carlo Simulation ?
@etiennevanzyl
@etiennevanzyl 8 лет назад
Video works for me, but it seems the idea depends on the sample mean not being equal to the population mean? What about a scenario where x-bar lies on mu for a small sample? Dividing by n-1 then over report the variance? Just asking - don't know the answer. Thnx
@igor-yp1xv
@igor-yp1xv 5 месяцев назад
I understand the usefulness of n-1, but I still don't see why this was chosen and not, for instance, n - 3 or n - 0,05*n. Isn't there a mathematical explanation for n - 1 being the preferred adjusment in this case above all other possibilities?
@RAVEN5060
@RAVEN5060 8 лет назад
how did you make this animation? with what program?
@DURGESH-gy8hb
@DURGESH-gy8hb 7 лет назад
thanks very nice pictorial explanation
@GabrielDavidBen
@GabrielDavidBen 7 лет назад
increible video!!!!
@johnzhang5114
@johnzhang5114 4 года назад
so good explanation
@felipemcse
@felipemcse 7 лет назад
it was very clear. In which case should I use more than one degree of freedom?
@marcschneider6510
@marcschneider6510 10 лет назад
by the way...excellent video. I like the slow and graphic explanation. I am preparing for CFA exam. Me need statistics
@michellebustamante4741
@michellebustamante4741 7 лет назад
Buenísimo. Gracias!!
@sgp667
@sgp667 11 лет назад
Great Video! It would also be great to have a video for calculating degrees of freedom in Two-Way ANOVAs those get confussing for me :( 'like the rest of my stat class'
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 11 лет назад
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@santiagorf77
@santiagorf77 8 лет назад
it still doesn't explian why n-1 is used rather than for example n-2
@Magnificozas
@Magnificozas 8 лет назад
+mirus Why n-1?Why divide by n-1 rather than N in the third step above? In step 1, you compute the difference between each value and the mean of those values. You don't know the true mean of the population; all you know is the mean of your sample. Except for the rare cases where the sample mean happens to equal the population mean, the data will be closer to the sample mean than it will be to the true population mean. So the value you compute in step 2 will probably be a bit smaller (and can't be larger) than what it would be if you used the true population mean in step 1. To make up for this, we divide by n-1 rather than n.But why n-1? If you knew the sample mean, and all but one of the values, you could calculate what that last value must be. Statisticians say there are n-1 degrees of freedom
@eastondoran6191
@eastondoran6191 8 лет назад
WHAT IS THIS GLORIOUS SOFTWARE?!
@ShahbazG
@ShahbazG 7 лет назад
If n is sample size, how can you use it in population variance formula as it is?
@user54r4
@user54r4 11 лет назад
great vid!
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 11 лет назад
You are very welcome! Make sure you like MyBookSucks on FaceBook (see link in video description). This will help others find the educational videos.
@maheshvenkat9956
@maheshvenkat9956 4 года назад
Intuition behind was well explained
@user-rr2dr8xz2m
@user-rr2dr8xz2m 9 лет назад
YOU are the BEST
@tobhiyahmonroe4744
@tobhiyahmonroe4744 10 лет назад
FANTASTIC video, thank you for the perfect visual, a pace that's easy to follow & great description; I wish you were my statistics teacher!
@thegto2007
@thegto2007 7 лет назад
so, should I do minus 1 when my n < 120?
@Muuip
@Muuip 9 лет назад
Congatulation, best concised presentation I have seen. I still am missing a point. Degrees of freedom : if it is the last unknown variable or, if two variables are known than df = n-1 or df = n-2. I understand. Average Error: a sample size n will almost always have a small average difference as the average of N. I understand. This is just as true when using n as a denominator as when using the degree of freedom (n-1), so why use Degree of Freedom as denominator? Thanks
@marcschneider6510
@marcschneider6510 10 лет назад
Is the basic idea that we are trying to ensure the population mean is included in the possible semantic outcomes of the test? Speaking as a lay person, I bet the degrees of freedom changes when we are not dealing with a normal distribution.
@latesq1
@latesq1 9 лет назад
Why is it necessary to know the degrees of freedom for a chi-square test of association in order to find the correct p number from a table ?
@statisticsfun
@statisticsfun 9 лет назад
latesq1 Same reason as for standard deviation. It is just an adjustment made when sample sizes are small. As sample sizes become larger the degrees of freedom do not make any difference.
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