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Why Are Gacha Games So Good At Making You Spend Money? 

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What is "gacha" and how did this game model take over the world?
Have you ever wanted something so badly that despite how unlikely the odds, you’ll pour time and money into trying and get it? Are you a master of convincing yourself that “the next drop will have what you want”? Would you willingly spend 8 hours of your day rolling a slot machine just to get the last piece in a set? If you said yes to all of these, you are most likely a gacha player. A might have a gambling problem
Gacha games are a staple of the modern video game market. Since going digital, they’ve become one of the biggest revenue sources in gaming history. While the genre was once niche and relatively unknown as a concept, the gacha mechanic has crept into many games on the market today and some newcomers to the genre have already generated millions in revenue.
So how did gacha games get this popular? What makes them fun in the first place? And where does the gacha game model go from here?
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@Akshonesports
@Akshonesports 2 года назад
Do you consider gacha games as gambling?
@youcantbeatD
@youcantbeatD 2 года назад
By definition, it absolutely is, which is why I like gachas where you can earn pulls without spending way more then ones where you can't, or it's very hard to, since the only thing you're gambling, is your time instead of your money.
@JanembaJanemba
@JanembaJanemba 2 года назад
Yes.
@detriminer
@detriminer 2 года назад
Nope I think people can play many gachas as F2P like genshin and arknights and have fun
@collbaltt153
@collbaltt153 2 года назад
yep
@pacificguardian
@pacificguardian 2 года назад
It is quite literally gambling either with your time with in game currency or real money to in game currency
@xavibun
@xavibun 2 года назад
I think gacha games should be given a rating that matches the legal gambling age in their respective countries they release it in.
@madsiesss
@madsiesss 2 года назад
this. i dont think it will even do much sadly though, think about all of the kids who play CoD i also think they should be forced to have a gambling disclaimer in game or something
@aname4931
@aname4931 2 года назад
I would definitely be in favour of age ratings to stop children getting access to them at the very least, and harsher restrictions ideally
@Ha1o31
@Ha1o31 2 года назад
This would be a good start but it won't change much There are easy work arounds much like how kids play games that aren't supposed to be rated for their age
@rKizCora_main
@rKizCora_main 2 года назад
@@Ha1o31 ^ this. You can’t stop them unless you do good parenting on them. Much like how the world works.
@Ha1o31
@Ha1o31 2 года назад
@@rKizCora_main I have a perfect example. I wanted to play GTA V with my friends when Middle/High School but my parents wouldn't let me cause of some of the stuff in the game even though neither if them actually played modern video games. Good parenting using the internet even though i really wanted to play with my friends. Though they did buy Halo Reach for me since they though it would be okay. Edit: While I think more regulations would be better for the industry, parents also have a responsibility to teach kids and educate themselves too since the school system does not necessarily teach everything kids need to know.
@ncrtrooperscout
@ncrtrooperscout 2 года назад
Video Game Companies: "It's not gambling, it's surprise mechanics." Trading Card Game Companies: *whistling and slowly walking away
@SlimeBlueMS
@SlimeBlueMS 5 месяцев назад
I wouldn't be against having every card listed on each pack
@docwashere3466
@docwashere3466 2 года назад
This is why I like roguelikes. You can get shafted by RNG but at least your wallet doesn't suffer.
@revimfadli4666
@revimfadli4666 2 года назад
This. More dopamine rush per dollar than any gacha game could offer
@Moostar95
@Moostar95 2 года назад
It's why roboquest is my favorite rougelike shooter.
@Alexandraadftxr7052
@Alexandraadftxr7052 8 месяцев назад
Well it's intresting to think about how the players would be able to obtaine characters in gatcha games (in the good ones), in an other way if it was not a gatcha sistem at play. I like the idea that no player has the same seth of characters, so they have to figure out defrent formentions, and are able to get more characters.
@TuntematonX
@TuntematonX 2 месяца назад
And even if you get shafted, you can still win by re-evaluating your strategy on the fly and trying to find innovative ways to use you get. You might get the optimum build you know, discover something new or lose horribly. And you pay for the experience ONCE.
@guilleortega570
@guilleortega570 2 года назад
I'd like to clarify that gacha and loot boxes are usually imposed or pushed by publishers, not developers
@JabelldiMarco
@JabelldiMarco 9 месяцев назад
Devs don't care, HOW their game is bringing in the money, as long as their wage is paid. They also don't profit from more profit than is required to keep the next development alive.
@Oduwuini
@Oduwuini 2 года назад
kinda surprised that there isn’t a small section dedicated to FGO because it’s kind of the final boss of gacha games because it does not have pity in any form, and in this year, they finally added a pity system into the game on japanese servers first, 7yrs after it was initially released there
@nathanael9159
@nathanael9159 2 года назад
What
@Sadeyo1
@Sadeyo1 2 года назад
I've spent thousands between JP and US FGO before quitting 5 years ago. I wasn't broke but 600.00 after 30 minutes and don't even get the limited servant multiple times really screws you up. Found it unhealthy I had to quit. I haven't touched gacha's until Genshin came out and friends had to talk me into that. In the end I would still be playing FGO if it had a pity system. Mihoyo really helped out and I'm glad other mobages are picking it up and also updating their game play to stay competitive.
@TanegiHoneydew
@TanegiHoneydew 2 года назад
What? FGO finally added a pity system??? AFTER ALL THESE YEARS?????? Edited: 330 rolls (900 SQ for 300 rolls + 30 free bonus rolls) are required for the pity, and don't carry over between each banner. That game never changes lol
@Oduwuini
@Oduwuini 2 года назад
@@TanegiHoneydew yes, and NA is gonna get it in 2024
@kenim
@kenim 2 года назад
@@TanegiHoneydew brutal as always.
@myrdana
@myrdana 2 года назад
"its more like a lotery system" yes those are regulated the same as gambling here. guess thats why gacha is banned here in many games.
@brerrrrrp95
@brerrrrrp95 2 года назад
Except its not like a lottery system either, if gambling or the lottery worked in the same manner as gacha, it would mean that after a certain amount of transactions you would have a guaranteed result, which is not the case.
@Dannymon
@Dannymon 2 года назад
Gacha should be regulated in all countries.
@brerrrrrp95
@brerrrrrp95 2 года назад
@@Dannymon true
@Kaimax61
@Kaimax61 2 года назад
@@Dannymon psst it already is, the USA is just fucking lagging behind
@Dannymon
@Dannymon 2 года назад
@@Kaimax61 Not here in denmark
@TheNightman.
@TheNightman. 2 года назад
It's 100% gambling, as are lootboxes.
@DeadlyDuel
@DeadlyDuel 2 года назад
Clearly sound like a guy who never played gatcha game f2p.
@sparki9085
@sparki9085 2 года назад
@@DeadlyDuel you are just gambling your time for rolls instead of cash
@thensnes7544
@thensnes7544 2 года назад
it's Gambling, no question about that, main question becomes "Is the Game good and F2P Friendly?" if yes, you will probably have a lot of fun with it even if you spend 0 Money. If not... Well, we all know where it goes.
@lstsoul4376
@lstsoul4376 2 года назад
@@DeadlyDuel still gambling, coming from a rank 57 on genshin
@haydenhold7451
@haydenhold7451 2 года назад
@@sparki9085 and? the items or characters you obtain via gacha cannot be converted to real money so you cant say it's gambling
@KiernanGrimes
@KiernanGrimes 2 года назад
I've always assumed the name came from the words "Got You" -> "Got Ya" -> "Gotcha" -> "Gacha"
@IvanH.CreativeProductions
@IvanH.CreativeProductions 2 года назад
Same that's what I always thought
@yeti4269
@yeti4269 2 года назад
I didn’t even know it was spelled Gacha lol I thought people were just saying Gotcha weird
@Tauncerador
@Tauncerador 2 года назад
I've always thought it was a pun of both the meaning they gave on the video and the one you said.
@weinteruptth.1479
@weinteruptth.1479 2 года назад
interesting how an onomatopoeia in the east was turned into a homophone in the west. I knew gacha's origins but I still liked saying gotcha
@jborgs69
@jborgs69 2 года назад
Thats the origin story that non weebs would think of lol congrats
@ashketchup247
@ashketchup247 2 года назад
I LOVED Maplestory 🍁, but I never used the gatchapon, the whole idea of paying good money and most likely not getting what I wanted bothers me to my core. I'm careful with my money so the whole idea of gambling or lottery is not something I'm into. I ONCE spent $50 on Overwatch lootboxes and I will never do it again. Same thing with Apex, with how often I get absolute crap in a lootbox spending money rather than time on them seems stupid.
@someoneman4393
@someoneman4393 2 года назад
As a kid, I once bought a gachapon ticket in MapleStory and got some arrows. The same kind you can buy for super cheap in stores with less than one monster's worth of money. My character wasn't even an archer.
@relo999
@relo999 2 года назад
@@someoneman4393 hahaha, should have bought a pet.
@missingpage
@missingpage 2 года назад
Its 100% gambling, even if you consider it more as lottery system it would still be gambling.
@brerrrrrp95
@brerrrrrp95 2 года назад
It's not gambling and it is also not like a lottery system.
@madsiesss
@madsiesss 2 года назад
@@brerrrrrp95 someone is in denial
@Kaimax61
@Kaimax61 2 года назад
@@madsiesss nah someone is just lazy and don't want to think for themselves.
@brerrrrrp95
@brerrrrrp95 2 года назад
@@madsiesss Call it denial if you want; I can explain why its not gambling and why calling it gambling is actually counterproductive, gacha games should be regulated based on their unethical predatory business model, not based on idiots missusing terms like "gambling" and spewing moronic takes like: "they advertise to children", this causes more harm than good and its why idiots that cannot get past this simple issue of semantics should never, ever be part of a legislative process. Whenever these companies are brought before a judge or congress (depending on the legal system) to defend their awful business practices all they have to do is reply to the idiotic accusations made by ignorant fools, and point out the very subtle yet significant differences between gambling and what they actually do, and unless this process takes place within a system that is already pro heavy restrictions, in a "free" and "fair" system it would never be shut down, precisely because the people making the initial complaint are fucking stupid. TLDR, gacha and gacha advertising should be regulated because their business model is fucking evil. but not because "iTsS gAmBLinnnG!" because it simply is not, and calling it so causes more harm than good when trying to address these concerns in a legal enviroment. Also, I will call you fucking lazy since (and I'm gonna go ahead and assume here...) you can't put forward any argument as to why gacha is gambling. Edit: Pussy
@ZackReap
@ZackReap 2 года назад
Our life is already like a gamble, we just didn't notice it
@zeddingo3321
@zeddingo3321 2 года назад
Tl;Dr monetization is one matter, actual game quality and enjoyment is another. One thing not quite touched upon in this video: a reason why people who *don't* chase after the dopamine rush of rare pulls (read: have a smidge of self-control) *still* play gacha games is that these can be genuinely fun games and you can see a lot of effort is put into them. For example, Arknights is a tower-defense strategy game with engaging levels and many different tactics and combinations to try out. There is a lot of care put into their writing and stories. The character designs are genuinely stylish and don't simply go for "awooga big booba." And the music they make for the game? Absolutely slaps. They even take the time to make EP's you won't even hear in-game and upload them to their RU-vid channel. For all that, I don't mind spending a reasonable amount every so often on gacha pulls to keep it all going.
@yvindvego9404
@yvindvego9404 8 месяцев назад
another reason why gacha games are so popular (in asia at least) is because it heavily appeals to otakus, it can be played on your phone while taking the train/bus to work and you can usually get done with the most important daily/weekly stuff in 30 min/1 hour every day. its also really big in china because f2p games were basically the only games people could play due to trade restrictions on consoles or games, government restricting how long you can play games everyday helped it too perhaps.
@DOGEELLL
@DOGEELLL Месяц назад
>imply gambling is strategy >think gambling is gaming Ok get tf out of here lol Casino gambling will never be gaming and tower defense sucks
@DOGEELLL
@DOGEELLL Месяц назад
​​@@yvindvego9404its just addictive for gambling addicts with absolute garbage taste in gaming and no standards😂
@arnowisp6244
@arnowisp6244 2 года назад
3:38 You know you are a Genshin Player when you recognize Yae Miko and Eula just from the shadows.
@thensnes7544
@thensnes7544 2 года назад
I Always considered Gacha more as a monetization scheme and less as a game genre and yes, it's absolutely gambling. I don't really mind it as long as i can get "Paid" content for free at a reasonable timespan. The best examples i can think of are Arknights and Azur Lane. Great games that are so generous with their F2P players that you question why would you even need to pay anything. The main thing about the Gacha monetization scheme is that the game must be really good and F2P friendly so it can keep people interested in it, but also have some kind of incentive for whales to go all in like... Getting that limited ultra rare waifu or something.
@Ha1o31
@Ha1o31 2 года назад
this ^ Personally Im only willing to spend if im just short of a hard pity/spark even then sometimes I just skip since I know they either rerun or there will be new stuff that I will want in the future. Most of the time I save up for stuff that I stuff that I want and not something just because its meta. I don't like the whole Micro Transactions for cosmetics cause they usually seem overpriced to me though I occasionally will buy 1 if I believe its worth the price.
@agentzwlf3693
@agentzwlf3693 2 года назад
Another game that follow this example i can think of is Guardian Tales.
@StarKnight54
@StarKnight54 2 года назад
This
@mega17
@mega17 2 года назад
Well, see, the entire game is designed around the monetization, so it'd be misguided to think there can be huge overlap in monetization and genre.
@agentzwlf3693
@agentzwlf3693 2 года назад
@@mega17 Personally? I see that as a red flag. When a game revolves around its monetization.
@Steleaf
@Steleaf 2 года назад
hearing maplestory ost makes me cry immediately please keep using them in your videos
@breadifies2800
@breadifies2800 2 года назад
The freakin nostalgia hits hard ;-;
@Psi01
@Psi01 2 года назад
I won't deny the "high" I get when I pull a high rarity character from a gacha, but I think the key to enjoying gacha games is working with what you have and coming up with your own compositions or strategies to overcome the challenges of general game progression. Gacha games aren't for everyone though. They're better for people who have self-discipline, patience, and can make cost-effective decisions about whether to save or spend, whether it be for Meta, Waifu/Husbando, or both.
@Viren21
@Viren21 2 года назад
THe key here is limit and only spend on what u want
@MAZZAR0TH
@MAZZAR0TH Год назад
I think once you start referring pixels to waifu and husbando you really need to stop playing that game. It has destroyed your perception of reality.
@Skallva
@Skallva Год назад
I don't like the idea of having to control yourself to be able to enjoy a game at a base level while also knowing you will inevitably not be able to experience it at its fullest because its whole system is designed around randomness that's rigged against you. It just feels gross to me, doubly so considering these pieces of software are constantly throwing more and more stuff at you in hopes that all of this sensory overload will at some point break you and you give in their predatory system. If you want to strategise... then just play a strategy game. One that actually wants you to engage with its systems and to get your brain working, not to turn it off out of deliberate tedium.
@staciefreshener4032
@staciefreshener4032 Год назад
Traps also , thats how i learn about fgo and GI but have to play them.. maybe later.
@irvanray1898
@irvanray1898 Год назад
man inhales copium before booting his favorite gacha game.
@JoshSaysStuff
@JoshSaysStuff 2 года назад
I remember MapleStory before it became a full-blown gacha game. It always had optional gacha elements, but it went completely off the rails as soon as they added percent equips and cubes. It became pay-to-win so quickly that it felt like my favorite game-and many other people’s favorite game-was completely stripped away. Combine that with constant class releases that vastly outplayed the adventurer classes, and it felt like a slap in the face to so many veteran players.
@reishiki
@reishiki 2 года назад
While I don't enjoy gacha games, I sure had a lot of fun rolling gacha toys when I visited Japan.
@genus5987
@genus5987 2 года назад
Thats because is PHYSICAL PRODUCT you can do whatever you want from those toys. Just like kinderjoy at least has food inside
@spunkflunk
@spunkflunk 10 месяцев назад
Never spent a dime on gacha games or loot boxes or anything, seems so pointless to me
@ClownCollegeReject
@ClownCollegeReject 2 года назад
*Opening 100s of lootboxes* "when do i get to the game?" "This IS the game!"
@macbillings2218
@macbillings2218 2 года назад
"Its not gambling, its a lottery" lotteries are a form of gambling
@SlimeBlueMS
@SlimeBlueMS 5 месяцев назад
Yeah lol pretty sure children arent allowed to play lotteries... because it's gambling
@laughingstock6078
@laughingstock6078 2 года назад
i had a f2p gacha game addiction phase where i download every gacha games i could find and play it for a week or or 2 without paying money. at the end i played about 70 games and the only one that stick are FGO, Genshin, and Hatsune miku colorful stage (which is only here just for the sole reason i like vocaloid songs). oddly enough i just started spending on genshin after 2 years or so of playing but i havent put a single dime on FGO even when i played it for 4 years straight and that game does not have a pity system.
@AlexanderGarcia-uv7in
@AlexanderGarcia-uv7in 2 года назад
1:30 that soundtrack of Elsword brought back so many memories 🤣🤣
@SebWayYT
@SebWayYT 2 года назад
omg im not the only one who recognised that soundtrack, im so happy
@DatBisa
@DatBisa 2 года назад
Something on the controversial flipside of gacha monetization systems is how it's allowed countless small indie developers to make the games they wanted to and have a huge breakout hit, given the approachability of their usually free-to-play nature. Pretty much all the large chinese gacha games today stem from small indie developers. miHoYo, Yostar, Hypergryph, Sunborn, they all started as starry eyed college student nerds making games for fun. Now all of them are on top of their own world.
@Dante45p
@Dante45p 2 года назад
yeah! China wouldn't be a rising power in the gaming industy without them and kinda ended up saving the mobile gaming market
@MrAsaqe
@MrAsaqe 2 года назад
@@Dante45p And killing other markets like weeb games who now has to compete with monoliths that can just outspam them in the waifu category. All while dealing with Sony basically leaving them to die and telling them they can't sell their games using cheap fanservice gimmicks and a muted and broken fanbase over the issue if weeb games will come out intact with all of it's fanservice. An example will be some ecchi anime/manga adapation getting only 200-500ish fanart over the span of a couple of years while one FOTM character can get about 5000 artwork by herself. So if that is the price of salvation then I don't want it. Props to them being starry eyed college nerds who did what they loved and making a mint though, says better about them than our generation of broken coomers who can't make a single game and instead rant online about lost glorious days of the past
@Dante45p
@Dante45p 2 года назад
@@MrAsaqe I'm not reading all this
@MrAsaqe
@MrAsaqe 2 года назад
@@Dante45p Gacha from China "saved" mobile gaming but did it by cannibalizing other industries to do so.
@Dante45p
@Dante45p 2 года назад
@@MrAsaqe it was going to happen anyway
@AtmaDragoon
@AtmaDragoon 2 года назад
...In my opinion, the difference between "gambling" and "lottery" is functionally semantic -- people who spend money on these games do so with very little guarantee of any worthwhile return. Whether that return is the same currency or access to digital product is irrelevant; that money is spending all the same, and there's no limit to how deep a hole they can dig. As such, and at the _very_ least even regardless, there need to be regulations on gachas focused on protecting people from predatory practices in them.
@fedorrussel3810
@fedorrussel3810 Год назад
I mean playing the lottery is considered gambling
@AtmaDragoon
@AtmaDragoon Год назад
@@fedorrussel3810 Well, heck; right. Even simpler than I made it out to be. :B
@SlimeBlueMS
@SlimeBlueMS 5 месяцев назад
Lotteries are for 18+ because it's gambling
@kenim
@kenim 2 года назад
Honestly cannot believe that a video about Gacha does not explicitly mention FGO.
@Kaimax61
@Kaimax61 2 года назад
because they're too lazy to do actual research.
@enbi5440
@enbi5440 Год назад
true, it's one gacha hell burning with sqs thrown by unlucky masters like me
@Borderlines
@Borderlines 2 года назад
I thought Gacha = "Got Ya!" Exclaimed when you finally get the item you want 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@ohcharlie428
@ohcharlie428 Год назад
I always thought it was more like...."got ya lmao!" from the producers of the game....always put me off from this garbage
@andro-z5610
@andro-z5610 2 года назад
You talked about Fire Emblem Heroes.... This is truly a excellent video, never thought you'll get "Want a strategy gacha game" the subject is entierly reviewed, this was really pleasant to watch :D
@ricodo1244
@ricodo1244 2 года назад
Yes the odds of getting rewards in lootboxes have to be public, but as far as I know there hasn't really been a noticeable difference in the amount of money players spent
@powguma
@powguma 2 года назад
Whales will spend their whale amounts of money, yes, but the difference should be sizeable for the little spenders and onlookers/newcomers. Even if they don't make up a big difference in the whole amount, whales still need us small fish in the ocean to feel powerful, and companies need us too to stay relevant longer.
@invertbrid
@invertbrid 2 года назад
@@powguma yep gacha game needs both. Small amount of whales to keep em alive and majority of small fish to keep whales engaged. Most of gacha players def F2P or small spender. But if there are no f2p, barely whale gonna play too, coz no ppl to flex on and no f2p means game will really have small playerbase.
@strippinheat
@strippinheat 2 года назад
Much like how warnings on cigarettes and alcohol don't stop their use. It's all just legal bullshit where they are free of liability because "Hey, we warned you."
@lilowhitney8614
@lilowhitney8614 2 года назад
@@strippinheat If it was just to free themselves from liability I doubt we would've gotten the law for showing the odds in games considering that there was no liability there in the first place. Truth is, it's not the law's place to stop anyone from spending money in a video game. The best it can do is stop predatory practices and/or give the people enough information they can make an informed decision.
@mothra727
@mothra727 2 года назад
I think its only gambling if it is possible to re-sell the items, but it should be regulated either way as it obscures the true cost of purchases, publishing the numbers isnt enough imho, people are overloaded with choices and numbers in the information age, we need to cool it with throwing dozens of statistics at people and expecting them to be able to parse it and make rational choices.
@Crepschi
@Crepschi 2 года назад
There's few channels I'll watch every single video from beginning to end. This is one of them. I would like to award you with the highest honor I can bestow: The notification bell
@bakyura156
@bakyura156 2 года назад
One funny interaction with gacha that I have is with F/GO. been playing it for a few years and haven't spent a single cent on it. The rates are horrible and you would think that it will entice me into spending, but no. Between the fact that its expensive af, actually f2p friendly(seriously),and just the whole process being so impractical it just pushes me away from spending. You either have to go big or don't even think about it. it basically gatekeeps its own microtransactions lol.
@akiradkcn
@akiradkcn Год назад
Bro? The FGO gacha is one of the most profitables ever Have you seen how much the whales spend?
@popcultureoverdosed
@popcultureoverdosed Год назад
Yeah FGO has a horrendous pull system. Never spent any money on a mobile games and I'm glad I quit fgo. The gameplay was too monotonous for me.
@Anonlyso
@Anonlyso 2 года назад
There's always been a very hard "east vs west" mentality on gambling cultures; I mean, just look how even outside of gachapon how many jrpgs feature straight gambling mini-games as a major way to farm gold or really just the "bonus area" for mini-games (Dragon Quest, Pokemon, Final Fantasy's Golden Saucer ect...). I think it's also just kinda plainly been a hard red flag over here considering how any vague relations to gambling are given hard looks. But I think it's at least unholistic, if not somewhat disingenuous if not kinda...inconsiderate if we don't at least compare other mobile monetization models (eg the Candy crush time/stamina gating and just straight paying to progress in other casual games like Farmville). At the very least, with Gacha being always in the spotlight, it's rather more suspicious then that with how hungry the game industry was for money that the Western Monetization despite raking in both big bucks from Candy Crush sales and Flappy Bird infamy kinda...hasn't actually re-invested back in itself. There's also the major development counter point of the fact that the rest of the game is """""free"""" tho debates on freemium to pay to gamble to win (more importantly in games with Pvp, pay to stay on top of the meta). Genshin Impact has pretty much given all the death glares for how much money can be dropped...it at least gives you a full complementary team to play a game that's like at least 3/5ths the size of BotW for no down payment. It's like the really understated, if not outright invisible cost (or lack there of) that for all the news and headlines of the 2 or 3 completely screwed over Gacha whale addicts that funnel down thousands in a lost cause...that's actually paying for basically the rest of the game for the rest of the "minnows" or even those that play for free. At best I can really play devil's advocate and there are still blatant fundamental design choices that funnel back and forth to how the Gacha system interacts. Even if you weren't actually paying real money, if you've ever played a virtual based card game, you'd know the pains of never having the one piece your deck needs and whether you make due with what you have or grind hard to perfect your baby. (Actually this is probably even more apt a comparison since Magic Arena you can grind for wild cards...eventually, like once after a full week...or just buy packs...but not most singles). Ultimately it's worth throwing out there just how much a power difference to necessity to enjoying a game (yes even if the waifu collecting is the whole appeal) it is for just rolling the slots, Arknights probably still the posterchild for "most apologetic and merciful gacha system so far", or Another Eden which can just hand you a full 40 hr mobile rpg from the Chrono Trigger og devs that you can just sit back and play with the standard party, no rolling necessary (maybe post game and second arc tho, but also it's indefinite event system does wonders).
@RemiAutor
@RemiAutor 2 года назад
Lottery IS gambling lol.
@Ashachi
@Ashachi 2 года назад
If a game is free to play, and the game is still fully playable with a gacha mechanic and not predatory then I dont think its truly bad, but if the game heavily relies on such a system I do think the game should be shunned. Paid games are especially awful when this type of system is in it. I would love to see gacha and lootboxes gone from games but thats never gonna happen, the market is just too big and too many people willing to blow their money.
@upgr3eyedd933
@upgr3eyedd933 2 года назад
To me i always look at gacha game like a strategic distribution of your resources I rarely spend money, only pull when there is a great chance i get it and always look out for good f2p options
@HieronymousLex
@HieronymousLex 2 года назад
Sounds a lot like rationalization to me. I don’t think it’s very “stategic” to spend money rolling for digital items that get you nothing irl. A better distribution of resources would be to spend your money on full, finished games that actually give you all the content on purchase.
@SlimeBlueMS
@SlimeBlueMS 5 месяцев назад
Whatever makes your gambling addiction less painful lol
@sibericusthefrosty9950
@sibericusthefrosty9950 2 года назад
Thanks for featuring one of my favorite operator, Earthspirit. 4:28
@detriminer
@detriminer 2 года назад
Ah yes I hecking love Jenshin
@revimfadli4666
@revimfadli4666 2 года назад
Smithy werbenjagermanjenshin
@lrdalucardart
@lrdalucardart 2 года назад
Its simple if you have to pay 40-60bucks for a single pull on a gacha of a free gane. That game is made to milk ur wallet. Since you can buy a full/complete game with that ammout, you would need to be dement at the very least to invest more than that in a free game, where there are new gachas every month that will outdoo your new units in a blink of an eye.
@Kaimax61
@Kaimax61 2 года назад
if you have to pay 40-60 for single pull, then you don't have any responsibility with money in the first place.
@revimfadli4666
@revimfadli4666 2 года назад
@@Kaimax61 so designers setting a low rate is somehow the players' irresponsibility?
@SorarikoMotone
@SorarikoMotone 8 месяцев назад
yes, because if you're so stupid to play a game where a SINGLE roll costs that much - thats on you, tbh. @@revimfadli4666
@renashi0127
@renashi0127 Год назад
Here is my take on Gacha Games as there are reasons why this business model in Game seems to work very well in the Gaming market nowadays, is how they are implemented into the games itself. I could also say there are a very huge difference between the model Asia's Gacha system and western's loot box system as their differences can be quite obvious as little as it may be. When it comes to Gacha Games, the model is simply enough; they make a Free-to-play game, add in the Gacha system, and at least have percentage shown for how you would get the character, even with the Pity system. As for the Western Lootbox system, even if you make the game free, it is about the model and percentage of how the item you would get for the game. For some reason, I'm more OK with the Gacha model better than the Lootbox model with more reasons I could think off. Also, let me give you the reason why that Gacha games are more successfull that Lootbox. In my view, Lootbox you only get mostly coating and skins on either your character, your weapons, and more. As for the Gacha, you straight up role for a character, an item or a weapon that you will use in the Game. And lastly, Gacha games is dominant with Anime-like design as it has more appeal to the anime community.
@unknownonedied8765
@unknownonedied8765 Год назад
Don't forget waifus and their attires, the very reason they get so much money
@DevourerDragons
@DevourerDragons 2 года назад
I am definitely not a big fan of Gacha games, but if there is ONE gacha game I would ever consider recommending, it's Arknights. The reason why Arknights is somewhat better than most Gachas out there is that it's relatively F2P, and you can basically play the entire game no problem without a single 6 star. They also have both hard and soft pitty, so the first 10 pulls in any banner give 100% at least one 5 star, and your already somewhat fair 6 star drop chance just goes up. Also, they have no equipment that could drop from pulls, so you are guarantied at least a 3 star operator from every pull (which ironically makes 1 stars very hard to get), and their gacha is only the way to get the newest of operators, as most a bit older operators are obtainable through recruitment, a system where you can choose multiple tags and the time you want to wait (1-9 hours) and depending on those get a certain operator with the chosen tags. If some are contradicting (like defender ranged or something) or with bad luck, they might not have the chosen tag, but if you get a top operator tag, and put in 9 hours, you are sure to get a 6 star. But honestly, what makes it better than most gacha games is that gacha isn't the main part of the game. Some 6 stars can be worse than 3 stars in some scenarios, strategy is the most important part about the game, being a tower defence. Also, the game has actually a pretty good story and world building, unlike most games of it's genre. Every operator has a story to tell, and the story mode itself is important, and even every event adds new information about characters and the world. There are also a lot of welfare operators (so basically free operators, usually 5 stars, rarely 6 stars, that are tied to that specific event and are unlocked once you finish a certain stage [mission, so basically what the gameplay is about] of the event), basically one every two events, and free skins and premium currency. Unlike other games of the gacha genre, it isn't just a cash cow, but an actually challenging and fun game with a gacha mechanic, like it should be.
@pooply3053
@pooply3053 2 года назад
Me: Watching this while doing my arknights AFK
@MrMaiio123
@MrMaiio123 2 года назад
Gacha is not gambling 😅 and people should stop trying to say “it is gambling hence it is BAAAD 🤡”. There is no direct way of re-monetizong good luck in gacha, I really don’t see why people are so confused about it, but anyways: Even if it WAS gambling, people should be entitled to their own money and self control or lack there of it. Governments should never try to paternalize on the matter, it is not a government responsibility; personal finance is a personal matter. If that sounds ridiculously obvious, that’s because it is.
@sometenrandom2740
@sometenrandom2740 10 месяцев назад
Thanks for the informative video!
@grinbrothers
@grinbrothers 2 года назад
One of my takes on Gacha's is a key problem with the mindset for it, as evident from the line "At Gacha drawing, players will lose when they fail to get an item they desire." Whilst I can understand wanting a specific item, I always thought the appeal of a random obtainable was like in a Pokémon Nuzlocke, Roguelite, or Trading Card Game, where the fun is seeing what you can make work with what you get randomly. The endless desire for something specific rather ruins the potential appeal. As for whether Gacha is gambling, well it certainly seems to have had a similar effect and regulations to keep it in-line with laws on gambling would make sense. Yet funny enough, it never felt that way in the form of Gachapon's... I suppose I can just see more appeal in being rewarded with something physical rather than digital.
@fredriddles1763
@fredriddles1763 2 года назад
My only concern with regulations is that it could inspire people who know very little about video games to make big changes in the game industry, and not always for the better. There was a time when people were so hung up on video game violence that they wanted to ban video games all together. I'd rather the game industry just grow how it wants and have consumers be responsible for spending their money wisely. Additionally we could use school programs to educate children on the dangers of gacha games and other online hazards so that more people go into adulthood knowing better.
@nathanael9159
@nathanael9159 2 года назад
Indeed
@kylebeguhl8516
@kylebeguhl8516 2 года назад
That’s the thing. Responsibility is a dying light, and so is accountability. People have grown soft and weak. The only thing that can change this is a major global event.
@kylebeguhl8516
@kylebeguhl8516 2 года назад
@X d fair.
@robertterrell7057
@robertterrell7057 2 года назад
Lol schools teaching anything valuable. I agree 80% of the people in power don't even know what Gachas are so I don't want them making decisions. But these games prey on addiction that's something a free market can't adjust to.
@illford6921
@illford6921 2 года назад
I feel like children about gacha games may also inadvertently make them want to play it depending on wgis doing the teaching.
@d1etpussy621
@d1etpussy621 Год назад
1:26 Elsword OST. Clever and fitting for this video
@blackwood4734
@blackwood4734 2 года назад
My number one method to play gacha game (or loot box) is simply: Am I really gonna pay money just for some stupid PNG files? Besides, most gacha games keep doing the stupid as sh*t bright screen animation when opening them. I believe it is a way to trigger people's dopamine, but to me, it burns my eye and fries my brain cell so I just skip them entirely or close my eye when opening them. Checkmate corporation
@b.heaven9234
@b.heaven9234 2 года назад
I have always considered Gacha as gambling, or well, slot machines. That said, there are ways to enjoy them responsibly much like gambling. I'm a working adult, so I do have a good enough money sense to be aware of my own expenses. I also make myself aware of the hooks and tricks games use for players to shell out money so I don't get blindsided. When games have pity systems, always expect to reach said pity when you are pulling for a desired character / weapon / item and plan accordingly. Don't be hooked with the mindset of "maybe my waifu will come out on my next pull, and another, and another". That's dangerous as you tend to swipe more if you don't plan properly.
@drizzy5721
@drizzy5721 2 года назад
Its 100% gambling, BUT unlike loot boxes you can gamble for free with some games including a pity system and constant events that rewards from small amounts to large amounts of pulls so all you really are gambling is your time, spending money is OPTIONAL and is not required (in some games it is, although those are generally terrible ones). In general most gacha games are generally F2P friendly and spending large amounts of cash for an item or waifu/husbando is optional as they can still be obtained F2P wise.
@SlimeBlueMS
@SlimeBlueMS 5 месяцев назад
No, most gacha games are not f2p friendly lol.
@blitzzz75
@blitzzz75 2 года назад
Had been a slave to gachas for 14 years, have been sober for 5 months it is the best feeling to finally kick it. I suggest anyone does the deed and quit it if they still play these games.
@genus5987
@genus5987 2 года назад
Well um my best gacha game i encounrer is final fantasy record keeper its on mobile. All characters and spells are in game the only gacha is weapon. You dont need specific weapon to finish the game
@pacolago2229
@pacolago2229 9 месяцев назад
Just finally deleted mine, and yes. That's exactly what these games are making, slaves.
@mattman1684
@mattman1684 2 года назад
Another aspect that I believe should be pointed out is that actual gambling (with table games and such) is outlawed in Japan, which is why gacha games and Pachinko are so popular there. On my part, I feel that gacha games are fine as long as you avoid the most prevalent traps (FOMO, impulsive spending of resources, etc.) and plan what you want to do in the long run.
@LoliconSamalik
@LoliconSamalik 2 года назад
The law was apparently lifted in recent years.
@gtyik-dr6gj
@gtyik-dr6gj 2 года назад
The addition of birthday train for the outro has made me happier
@jonhy-sama9017
@jonhy-sama9017 2 года назад
I've been a Fire Emblem Heroes player since its launch day and I think it is a really friendly for been a gacha game. It has some questionable things like a subscription pass, but they over they time have updated the gacha system with good features like: 1) Move old 5 stars characters to a special category, and if you pull one it won't break your rate 2) If you do 40 pulls, you can choose one the 5 stars focus characters of the banner. I don't know if these features are in other gacha games because FEH is my first gacha and I haven't play another one but I feel that this one is really friendly with its gacha system.
@xela144
@xela144 2 года назад
those have been in other games, some examples are FGO who done your first point, while Dragalia Lost done the second one on top of only ever needing 1 copy of a character to instead of needing copies to make them stronger. That system is left to the dragons which are really just equipment for the character.
@mocaff2382
@mocaff2382 2 года назад
oo nice Elsword music at 1:21 It makes me nostalgic!
@batman3217
@batman3217 2 года назад
Fantastic Video.
@xoxo.pochacco
@xoxo.pochacco 2 года назад
While I have many issues with the game, one thing I love about FE Heroes is the 5star percentage rates. The maps are short to clear, and the amount of orbs you need to summon are small and very easy to get. I am usually able to get at least one of the five stars I want from a certain banner, with only a few hours of gameplay.
@brendenlim2158
@brendenlim2158 2 года назад
It got much better over the years, especially with more story quests. I remember the first year……. That was….interesting
@bigpooporder3965
@bigpooporder3965 2 года назад
There's a reason why I never pay on gacha (I played GFL, Arknights, and Azur Lane) I just play the game, also the game will be exponentially easier if you pay, so I never pay to these company even tho Yostar is quite generous than other, but still I don't want to support the gambling part, so I just play the game with occasional rolls from pve resources (farm, clearing stages, ect)
@jay-edemesa420
@jay-edemesa420 2 года назад
Its the player's money, ultimately their choice to spend and gamble with it, pray for rngesus.
@SlimeBlueMS
@SlimeBlueMS 5 месяцев назад
Oh wow I had no idea that people who own money can spend it on things, what a smart and thought provoking comment
@ellagage1256
@ellagage1256 Год назад
Played Brawl Stars for a little while but dipped when I realized how bad the gacha aspects were late game despite it being pretty F2P friendly overall. Now they have removed the gacha element entirely and I'm so surprised and very excited to play again! It's sad to see so many younger players upset they removed literal gambling from the game. It's like they have no other reference for what F2P games can be without loot boxes.
@yorha.a2
@yorha.a2 2 года назад
Gacha IS gambling. IMO we really need tougher regulation on the video game market.
@Kaimax61
@Kaimax61 2 года назад
They already have, The west is just too slow and lazy. Go check how japan regulates it.
@LoliconSamalik
@LoliconSamalik 2 года назад
Gacha isn't gambling. Gambling is about playing for increased financial stability. Gacha games, (at least the best examples) are about receiving a random boost to your arsenal, and encouraging improvisation on your adventure.
@yorha.a2
@yorha.a2 2 года назад
@@LoliconSamalik Gambling isn't exclusively for money. People are still spending copious amounts of money for a chance to win worthless PNGs and items. Just because they're not spending money to win money doesn't automatically make it ok. It's not about whether or not gacha is gambling. What is important is the negative implications of gacha systems on consumers
@luhmi2969
@luhmi2969 2 года назад
@@yorha.a2 the difference between gambling in a gacha game and gambling in a casino is that you know that once u put money in a gacha game that money is already gone and u won’t get money in return. That’s probably one of the reasons why it’s illegal to sell accounts
@TheDanil
@TheDanil 2 года назад
Yoooo els ost omg !!!! Nice one
@CatOnTheCouch
@CatOnTheCouch 2 месяца назад
Pokémon is the OG gacha game, you go to certain areas (gacha machine), roll your dice and randomly encounters a ‘character’ that you want, and depending on the ball you use there is a chance you might not able to get what you wanted, so you either have to trade with your friend, or spend more time and in-game money to play the slot. Games like Pokémon is like you buying the entire gacha machine, but still have to play by the rules to get its content. ‘Free’ gacha games is just the casino, where you pay to play and you might not get anything, even after paying the same if not more money than the actual cost of the machine itself. When everything is ‘Free’, you are the product.
@rooper13
@rooper13 Год назад
as a gacha player f2p, i felt that gacha is gambling even tho im f2p and grind the hell out of the game its still a gamble. But in some case is optional, because you dont really need the character from the gacha. But sometimes the game make that character so op that you need it, i think i like what umamusume does, they have this limit card system where you can only spend amount of dollar for one month and also gave that pity system so its kind of fair. But in the end gacha is still gacha so yea its still gambling
@SlimeBlueMS
@SlimeBlueMS 5 месяцев назад
Dude just play a real game...
@patrick8793
@patrick8793 Месяц назад
I wonder if there's a study that compares people who spend a lot on gatcha vs actual casinos and which is more dangerous. Like are the whales who spend thousands on a mihoyo game or FGO also spending on slots or blackjack?
@featherpheasant3851
@featherpheasant3851 2 года назад
Overwatch Loot Boxes still haunt me 👻
@fredriddles1763
@fredriddles1763 2 года назад
Conversely, there was a time where I was so disinterested in lootboxes that I had a couple hundred of them that I didn't bother opening until a friend nagged me into doing it. Cosmetics don't motivate me as much as gameplay and lore mechanics.
@madsiesss
@madsiesss 2 года назад
overwatch is a baby compared to most games nowadays, you get so much currency for free for any skin you want so fast
@SIlent5130
@SIlent5130 2 года назад
Overwatch is really kind tbh I always get to get all the new skin just by grinding sure sometimes if u get unlucky just get it next time
@unsaltedmixednuts8036
@unsaltedmixednuts8036 2 года назад
@@madsiesss loot boxes are also only cosmetic so there’s no need to buy them anyways.
@adamh4h4
@adamh4h4 2 года назад
@@unsaltedmixednuts8036 which is why i cringe every time I see someone throw away their $$ at those lootboxes in OW. The 0 IQ is real with those guys. God, I worry about their life in general if they can make such a stupid decision.
@ethanbenjamin8717
@ethanbenjamin8717 2 года назад
Gotta love that Midnight Train at the end
@abdelali9279
@abdelali9279 2 года назад
I once got into a game called Sinoalice, also that Tectone guy he makes good content and I learned the game through his tutorials as he teaches how to optimize a F2P approach to these gacha games but he's also honest about his status as a "whale" player and that $500 gets you nothing clip sums it up well, but yeah I poured several hours playing the game getting the items and characters I wanted and I was in a solid guild and mostly everyone was F2P too, but it was a matter of time we hit the ranks with a lot of whale guilds and it we were stuck, because our growth ratio was way slower compared to those who purchased rolls all the time, and even though we liked the game, we were not in the mindset of pouring real money for PNGs, (guess that's why I never falled for NFTs) but also these mobile gacha games are like mostly RPG like and there's not that much player input during gameplay so no matter how much we trained in the end if our equipment was of a lower level, the enemies will be making the bigger numbers we were destined to lose so there's that too, and in the end I quitted yet I remember the game fondly for the time I was playing it.
@timogul
@timogul 2 года назад
I don't like the gacha mechanic, and fight against their inclusion in western games, but I do enjoy several games that _have_ gacha mechanics, such as Genshin Impact. It';s just a fantastic game by any reasonable measure. I just avoid _spending_ in the game to get better gacha odds. I only spend a few bucks a month based on enjoying the content they produce and will never up my spending just to get some character I really want.
@chibishiro2041
@chibishiro2041 2 года назад
I'm addicted. Been for 3.5 years. Aaaah.
@Fantasy2k
@Fantasy2k 2 года назад
bring back maple story 2 :/
@futanahriadventures
@futanahriadventures 2 года назад
Lottery is not gambling, just because the end result is "different"? Lmao, that's the definition of gambling, it`s not about the result, it's about the risk, and at the end of the day, both strategies are gamble. Both are addictive, both have misleading odds and both can destroy your bank account if you're not careful. Gacha just "normalized" the market on the last decade, bringing microtransactions along the way, which sucks. It can be enjoyed without spending (depending on the game, ofc), but like pointed out by the end of the video, as long as a few whales support it, the system will go on.
@RamzaBeoulves
@RamzaBeoulves 2 года назад
Gambling has several different definitions in different context (law, games, ethics, psychology, region, etc.) According to Oxford and Cambridge, gambling involves official currencies and "betting" is for other stakes On the other hand, Merriam-Webster and Britannica use gambling as a generic term There's value in being more specific when discussing the subject. While financial consequences are the same and it should be grouped together, a gacha system will always be a trade. Which gambling and betting are not
@relo999
@relo999 2 года назад
@@RamzaBeoulves Sure, though often betting is also considered gambling. It's really a semantic argument rather than a practical one. From a practical point of view they're the same. You put up some form of goods of value for a chance to get a return on investment with little to no influence on the outcome. Even playing blackjack or poker with friends and playing for nothing but pokerchips is still gambling as those pokerchips would dictate a winner thus have some value and thus be gambling, gambling with no monetary stakes but still gambling.
@chinesesparrows
@chinesesparrows 2 года назад
Most games and a bunch of life has chance/luck/"RNG", if gambling is not defined carefully even starting a business is "gambling"
@RamzaBeoulves
@RamzaBeoulves 2 года назад
​@@relo999 Oh absolutely, in most contexts I use gambling to describe all of these Where I see the distinction being relevant is specifically its integration into games Since the worst possible "roll" still grants the user a reward, it COULD be designed in ways that most wouldn't see as predatory or unethical Which (I think) classic gambling and betting can't achieve as the winners' gains are [always?] funded by the losers' loss Tho I could be entirely wrong
@relo999
@relo999 2 года назад
@@RamzaBeoulves gambling doesn't require gains at a losers cost, though that is common for obvious reasons. A simple example of it not being the case is surprise lotteries that use entry tickets as lottery tickets. Or another would be a prize pool is set up by a third party. Simply gaining a reward regardless would still be gambling as far as I can see, as most outcomes are not remotely worth the investment. Would a slot machine that would give you always a 5 cent pity win when one lever pull would cost you a dollar not be gambling? To me it certainly is. And this is basically the setup lootboxes/gacha games use, high chance that you don't get your money's worth out of it per roll low chance to get a worthwhile ROI per roll and on average your ROI is lower than the value you put in. And yes, games can implement them to not be predatory and/or unethical. However that's basically impossible the moment you request real world money, or in-game currency bought with real world money, for a chance. Loads of games have implemented them in a non-predatory way, pokemon being a obvious example with breeding for competitive pokemon or shiny pokemon as the only investment is time while you aren't content for other players. (which is another issue as the FTP players are functioning as "to dunk on" content for paying players, thus time investment isn't really free in multiplayer games that create "free" rolls. It's akin to Subway telling people you'll get a free sandwich if you walk with a Subway shirt all week, is it really a free sandwich if you're a walking advertisement all week?) Granted it's all on a scale, pokemon being the obvious "yea no issue at all", skins from lootboxes being "ehh, that's questionable" and multiplayer gacha games with game play effecting content "yea, deffo unethical".
@xela144
@xela144 2 года назад
As a person who had spent $3490 total on mobile games (FGO, Dagalia Lost, and Touhou Lost Word), I do agree that it is a form of gambling like slots. It becomes unhealthy when the spending becomes to much for a person when they spend more than they can truly afford. In my case, I have not spend those $3500 in a short time, it was over a year and I keep an excel sheet tracking every spending with a description on where and who for the big spending just be aware when to just save instead of spend. I even try to plan my spending ahead of time by putting money to the side just so I can spend on the stupid and not financially smart purchases like gachas or anime figures. As long as you are aware on what you spent and its money you already planned on the side to be used on your stupid actions, I don't see an issue with spending it on gachas, but in turn when you spend without checking yourself, do not even bother spending on them.
@SlimeBlueMS
@SlimeBlueMS 5 месяцев назад
This is what a gambling addict says to justify their addiction...
@xela144
@xela144 5 месяцев назад
@@SlimeBlueMS yes I'm not bright
@alexadhs6296
@alexadhs6296 2 года назад
I llove that Epic 7 had been shown. Love that game. And im totally f2p and very high level player
@fhjunior6183
@fhjunior6183 2 года назад
Thanks for the vid
@lukebortot7625
@lukebortot7625 2 года назад
Are CCGs also gacha games? I would say yes. The business model of hearthstone and magic are basically exactly the same as genshin. CCGs have had complete gacha since they first came out. Want to build that deck you want? sorry you need there 3 legendary cards that have a tiny drop chance, go spend 200 dollars on card packs.
@Kaimax61
@Kaimax61 2 года назад
Yeah, why I dislike when people one sided ly make "gacha is bad video", they ignore western CCGs.
@Dante45p
@Dante45p 2 года назад
yep many eastern gacha even use card game systems
@atomicafro
@atomicafro 2 года назад
Gambling should be legalized for adults world-wide, then add Gacha gaming into gambling. I have no problem with banning this stuff for children, but adults should be allowed to decide for themselves how they want to spend their money.
@hiteshmaurya9889
@hiteshmaurya9889 2 года назад
Totally legal in my country we get gambling ads on TV.
@syarifht5929
@syarifht5929 2 года назад
Mihoyo really elevate or redefine gacha to the next level, and im glad something like Elden Ring exist and Ubisoft NFT accident happen so that unhinge exec will consider their game more carefully or probably not. Monetization isnt something u should prioritize it should be a tool to make ur progress easier not more (yes i oppose paid DLC stuff)
@saxophones1041
@saxophones1041 2 года назад
How does genshin redefine gacha tho? Like it has one of the worst gacha system in any gacha game but if you're talking about the quality of the game that is true, but I hope this won't be an influence to other developers
@syarifht5929
@syarifht5929 2 года назад
​@@saxophones1041 Im a day one player after playing this for 1,5 year i could say it was nothing compared to other gacha because some of them are pityless u only hope to get SSR by just relying on pure luck (also keep in mind soft pity in genshin are 10-30 pulls any veteran know this and it will reset EACH banner thats why someone get 5* on 40-60 before the pity that is 70 pulls), Mihoyo even further decided to give pity to weapon banner after a lot lot lot of drama is going on which even validate the gacha in Genshin is not as ruthless as people say and still clearing hard content even though im a pure F2P i have zero investment into this game not even a penny. The quality of the game is what we are agreeing on so i would take that as a W to us gacha gamers
@saxophones1041
@saxophones1041 2 года назад
@@syarifht5929 I'm also a day 1 player, while it's true that a lot of gacha still doesn't have a pity system genshin still isn't the best on how they implemented it in my opinion also the sparking/pity system in the weapon banner is nice but it's still mostly for whales and u mentioned that pity reset everytime a banner change, but for what I know genshin pity system will carry if you don't get a 5 star the only things that reset is the fate points for the weapon banner
@syarifht5929
@syarifht5929 2 года назад
@@saxophones1041 Im by no means saying Genshin gacha system is the best amongst all gacha game, u get it wrong i was saying it wasnt the worst like everybody said, and about reset pity each banner u can go search for a reference on Streamer i've been researching this for quite sometime my lucky pulls are around 10 Guarantee, 10 Guarantee, 30 Loss, i think i got Tartag somewhere around 50 pulls not 70. I never made up my claim u can go watch some streamers and find the truth urself
@amaryllisputrik.2521
@amaryllisputrik.2521 2 года назад
@@saxophones1041 It's definitely not one of the worst, I wouldn't say it's that bad either.
@GohTheGreat
@GohTheGreat 2 года назад
Gachapon toys are also the direct inspiration for Pokeballs
@harryvpn1462
@harryvpn1462 2 года назад
Even plants vs zombies garden warfare 2 had a gacha system its so funny
@fancyrav3n212
@fancyrav3n212 2 года назад
For the algorithm nice vids btw
@sol666
@sol666 2 года назад
I like gatcha games on android but I hate gambling being associated with them as a monetization method. Gambling refers to playing a game of chance by paying a certain amount of money as a participation fee for a chance to win anything from a common prize that is worth nothing to something ultra rare that is worth a lot to the winner. Obviously most Android f2p games don't outright expect players to pay upfront to roll the dice on getting whatever it is the game uses gatcha mechanics on (item, armor or character). But they do use a limited token currency to control the experience. Some games lock these tokens away entirely behind pay walls, while others give you maybe one token per day as reward for daily participation. Still others try a bit of both (alchemy star because I play the game and have seen them implement purchase only tokens twice so far). While they are not barring players from getting the tokens to chance at getting a rare or legendary character the drop rate for rare and legendary items after the honeymoon (1st 2 months after launch) period is reduced to drastically that players who started playing the game at launch experience severe withdrawal symptoms as they notice the lowered frequency of drops more clearly then late participant (I know because I experienced it while playing alchemy star). It is a marketing strategy involving psychological coercion to force player into tapping into that urge to pay money to get more tokens and get the euphoria of winning the legendary characters. I really don't like this monetization tactic as it causes unnecessary stress to the participant and can psychologically destabilize a completely normal person by drawing out their compulsion to gamble and financially ruin themselves. Gatcha games on android need to stop doing that. If they expect people to pay money no matter what they should just switch to paid gaming model so there is no pretenses between the publisher and consumer who are prepared to pay on what degree of monetization to expect. Those gatcha games that still insist on f2p model, should dial back on exclusivity of paid merchandise that is to say if a games main focus is waifu collection then keep the drop rate fair (not 2% but 20%), reduce the number of tokens that need to be used before mercy system kicks in to an amount that is fair enough (based on the games token income rate and event period length) to happen during the period of the event rather then 5 events later. And most importantly only put customizing items like outfit change or character appearance change or upgrade items that players can alternatively get by daily grinding behind pay walls instead of putting specific waifus or stories (including side stories) that are part of the games core gameplay features behind pay walls. Although I used alchemy star as an example, I have to add that AS is probably far less offensive in respect to forcing players into using real money compared to many high end gatcha games on android. I actually play AS because although recently they have experimented with purchase only gatcha tokens and side stories locked behind pay walls, they are still a lot less coercive as players can freely acquire practically all upgrade material simply by playing the game daily and using the gatcha tokens they get daily. If players happen to get duplicate characters they are simply converted to upgrade material or currency tokens to purchase items from one of 5 in game token stores. I have misgivings about their gatcha drop rate and lack of mercy system, I think it is still a lot less aggressive in its monetization practice compared to others...for now at least.
@SlimeBlueMS
@SlimeBlueMS 5 месяцев назад
Gacha games are a waste of time. Play a real game
@Mennion3
@Mennion3 2 года назад
Interesting how there's no mention of Magic Arena or Hearthstone, which are even worse forms of gambling as it's literally pay to win.
@Kellexyz
@Kellexyz 2 года назад
8:08 HAHAHA kektone homa pull, that's a classic
@ian59
@ian59 2 года назад
Loved to see Arknights getting some representation in this video. The developers and publishers of Arknights do an excellent job and are very generous comparatively. It's not necessarily the most generous but you could make a case that if you adjust for the quality of content/gameplay that it is 1 of, if not the most, generous gacha game. I feel like you missed a significantly important point in that the Gacha model allows some of the players to get a $100 Million dollar development game (such as Genshin Impact) completely for free and still get to acquire some of the rare and exclusive characters as well (though obviously not as many of them). Debatably, you could argue that the F2P players are "spending" their time but it's literally a game, and a good one at that. So if they're getting rewarded for playing a game how is that spending time? More likely than not they're able to counteract other stressful elements in their life (i.e. work) through this leisure time as well. Though I will grant that the wrong personality can get stressed out (or at least accrue some stress) from the Gacha system as well.
@genus5987
@genus5987 2 года назад
Well f2ps can burnout, so if the content in game were slurped by players they'll get bored. Thats why in order to save up in game currwncy of pull you must log in everyday just like total job instead play a game
@GcorpCoPrez
@GcorpCoPrez 2 года назад
@@genus5987 exactly burn out is real. Mind you some of the most generous f2p gacha hero collector is Cookie run kingdom. Easily grind to collect all units bar the limited crossovers sonic and tails, and that one kingdom only cookie
@kysono
@kysono 2 года назад
I'm kind of surprised trading card games weren't mentioned.
@infinacity
@infinacity 2 года назад
I may not have spent money i have sure spent a whole year of my life (that i will never get back) saving up for a hyped waifu that's coming out in a couple of months. 100% Gambling.
@genus5987
@genus5987 2 года назад
So time is gold ehh
@haruhisuzumiya6650
@haruhisuzumiya6650 2 года назад
In Australia, the Lotto is seen as gambling
@hellsylpher
@hellsylpher 2 года назад
Hey it's my favorite RU-vidr Daboki at 3:18 !
@haidaoheat6578
@haidaoheat6578 2 года назад
i love gachas cause every player has a unique experience. No one has the same account and its really fun to share with people. but yes its gambling
@weinteruptth.1479
@weinteruptth.1479 2 года назад
interesting Ive never heard of someone enjoying the individuality of experiences when playing gacha games. The grind and min-maxing that get copy and pasted overshadow that I guess... dont forget to do your dailies, that air balloon wont escort itself :D
@stefanhuber7357
@stefanhuber7357 2 года назад
As a life long player of competitive card games, I have always compared the loot box mechanic to the card pack mechanic. Obvious to me now, that its all just gacha and has its forms everywhere.
@AcemanTCG
@AcemanTCG 2 года назад
i get why Maple would be on here but idk if i would call it a gacha game really. good vid tho, also super happy i kicked the FGO addiction been nice.
@destructo3457
@destructo3457 2 года назад
Genshin in general is just cruel, the game mechanics are so complex and fun but i'll never spend any money on it.
@Kaimax61
@Kaimax61 2 года назад
I never spent money on it and I have 16 5* characters (not counting dupes). Worst game to be an example.
@strippinheat
@strippinheat 2 года назад
It's worse than gambling because the prizes have no value and an expiration date.
@LoliconSamalik
@LoliconSamalik 2 года назад
Then it isn't gambling. It's a game of improvising with your tools. Also, the expiration part largely depends on the connection requirements, or lack thereof.
@DarkVizardBerryTan
@DarkVizardBerryTan 2 года назад
My take on Gacha game. Its my choice to play or not to play them. And for the most part I love most of them. Ive played around 18 in the last year and only spent money on 2 cause of collabs. Outside that regardless how much I want a unit if have enough self control to keep being f2p.
@NRobbi42
@NRobbi42 2 года назад
The Maplestory music is such a nostalgia trip
@ahmadhabiballah9305
@ahmadhabiballah9305 2 года назад
7:30 I didn't expect to see you here Master Pendragon
@exoqqen
@exoqqen 2 года назад
i think every single game offering gacha mechanics should be rated 18+ & far heavier regulated, with notices on how much money you have spent.
@genus5987
@genus5987 2 года назад
But the devs of gacha doesnt give a shit cause they want money
@theramazing4615
@theramazing4615 2 года назад
there another kind of this game that makes you hope to get something with an extremely low chance, but you'll still do it anyway no matter how long it took or how many investment you have to put in, but it's free(-ish) mmo or rpg with drop chance for their items
@illford6921
@illford6921 2 года назад
Drop Chance doesn't require money at all though. Drop Chance is just randomness but if it doesn't drop there's no feeling to pay for it unless your desperate
@Ha1o31
@Ha1o31 2 года назад
@@illford6921 well if i understand what this comment is trying to say is that you are gambling your time instead of money Probably doesnt make sense but if we really breaking it down to definitions then gambling your position by taking an uneven or disadvantaged fight in a BR or FPS game is gambling too. At some point trying to break down and read deeply into definitions is ridiculous.
@theramazing4615
@theramazing4615 2 года назад
@@illford6921 yeah, that's why I said it's free(-ish), you just gotta grind and some game give you the option to skip that grind with money
@WonderWolf13
@WonderWolf13 2 года назад
It's gambling, but without the monetary return. I remember as a kid I used to go nuts for Yu-Gi-Oh cards and packs. Now, years later, I have a bunch of cards I don't play with anymore. It was never the having, it was the getting, and it's the same with these games, but the price is too damn high. It's literally higher than some can afford.
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