Battle Passes Are TERRIBLE But Effective 

Fucking based.

Agreed. DRG's BP is boss level.

Rock n Stone, this game is so good !

ROCK AND STONE!

It’s also a gamepass game. They are getting all the money they need. I’m not clapping for making it free.

i just started persona 5 after a while of playing overwatch and warframe, it's really refreshing

I completely agree. Especially in Overwatch it was super frustrating for me to play for a while but just never get the right circumstances for the goals sometimes, so I solved the frustration by just not playing Overwatch anymore.

Battle passes are optional though

@@DatroVoided I don't know about you, but in my case knowing I missed a reward and will never be able to get it can easily make me stop playing if I was playing the game, or make me skip the game altogether if I was considering a purchase. This goes for other things too, mind; for example, a game that had pre-order exclusives and actually kept them exclusive is a game I will never purchase. But Battlepasses are the most egregious example of using FOMO to push the players into playing - and paying - nowadays.

@@FabioCapela This. If it wasn't for the limited time, I think battle passes could be a healthy way to monetize games.

Don't Play then sucker

I still hate that last part of battlepasses, “see this sweet cosmetic? You can only get it grinding for 2 months, and you better start grinding cuz we are not making available AGAIN, NEVER” why ? I mean i know why but, its just seems like a horrible business practice

@@sheshin shut up weeb

@@sheshin fear of missing out, even if they are planning on bringing it back later they'll make it seem like they aren't going to so people buy it while they still can

@@strawberrana They never return though

That's usually how it goes. Cut corners and disregard quality to make quick, fast cash, and milk it as long as possible.

If you get good cosmetics and have enought time then it's worth it

@@Logan_TheLegend What about the actual live service?

@@fiammaorsmth9840 you mean gameplay?

Or... not so crazy, if you think about what you just said.

That is the whole reason overwatch one wasn't free to play they didn't want a meta to be locked behind a paywall.

I’ve paid 20 euros during the paladins early beta to get all characters, even the future ones, and I’m perfectly ok with that

This! Locking cosmetics behind a battle pass is one thing, but forcing you to grind 45 levels (!) of the battle pass, which in my case took more than a month, only to play a hero is hilarious. Good thing that the new heros have not yet been OP at release, otherwise the game would be pay to win.

@@lavithan4286 Blizzard making shady p2w design? What a surprise /s

@@lavithan4286 "good thing that the new heros have not yet been OP at release, otherwise the game would be pay to win" kiriko has been meta since the launch of overwatch 2

pro tip just afk in stw endurance and get 4 levels a day without playing

npc

Thanks to one of those battle passes being free, I managed to complete all of the chapter 2 passes without spending a dime.

I doubt you're ONLY playing the game to complete the battle pass. Just admit it, you like the game, at least a little.

just goes to show that fortnite is one of the few games that did the battle pass system right

I miss the days where the only DlC was new multiplayer or zombies maps

I guess the competition among games is huge now

I miss tge days of just unlocking stuff.

Blame those who keep on buying Battle Passes.

Except you can still do that just by playing the game in the new MW2 lol. Gold camos don't take THAT long to grind out either

This is actually a pretty cool approach It makes the game easier to take a break when life happens but if you still wanted it you can still get it and they still make $$. Do you progress multiple at the same time or you pick one to work on?

@@taimaishu99 You progress both at the same time! Any exp you get goes into both, and it isn't even divided between them. The full amount goes in each.

cosmetics being tied to battle passes & never being released again is one of my biggest peeves with battle passes, i really like this approach. reminds me of among us' battle passes (whatever they called it) where you could buy any you wanted & progress it whenever.

@@Kmn483 I wish they took this approach with more games.

Cool… Also WTF is “Super Animal Royale”?

Minecraft Dungeons too. In it you can buy and progress past passes at any time, with no time limit at all.

@@FabioCapela They did this to Halo Infinite as well, but it's still not ethical unlike literally any other battle pass that doesn't use fear of missing out.

Fortnite Battlepasses for example abused my mind even today since I missed out of anything from chapter 2 before for example.

That is why I tend to try and avoid games that have them

I’d say BF2042 Battlepass is slightly more generous and simplistic than other games besides halo’s BP that is around forever, the weekly challenges make it less of a daily grind of the linear style of BP, it’s not conveluded like MWII’s BP or R6 siege’s map like passes that often won’t give your investment back for 100% completion of the battle pass

Skins, and items that just change a few numbers or an animation are filler imo

There definitely was a big outcry with (OW) loot boxes to begin with, but once they made them more generous with more gold and less dups, there was also a weird "feedback" delay, "oh you guys don't want loot boxes anymore? okay we're chucking it out the window" and now here we are. I haven't even touched this season's pass, barely completing the last one and trying to play other games (passes) and yet it's already about to end in about a week? Crazy other thought I just had about all of these battle passes and "affording" them: sure they're cheap, no more than our spotify or amazon subscriptions...wait...subscriptions? They're literally getting money out of us just like our (predatory) general life subscriptions, along with our time and energy.

if you didnt know they actually changing the monetization a bit still many steps to go but now bp will be more worth it beacuase they adding some coins in it

@@savy1690 They're not adding coins. They're adding credits. That's the old OW1 currency.

@@ThatScythe In many ways... FF14 is better for your wallet since it's an up front payment of about $130 for the complete collectors editions (or get the Free Trial, its extremely good until you hit the locked expansions). Then subscriptions are cheap with the highest one being 180 days for $77 (discounted from $88) up front + $12 per month. (Free Trial has no subscription and it lasts forever until you buy FF14.) If you buy FF14. You get the whole game with zero monetization outside of Mog Station (but that exists outside of the in-game state). And over all... You're looking at $12 a month with a $88 + discount up front payment for the highest subscription level. Which doesn't even require a PS Plus Subscription. Not to mention that you can always cancel your subscription and let it finish up its days. Then re subscribe again if you want to.

Fr. Idk who was complaining about it. They even made duplicates less common, but I didn't even mind dupes because they all gave credits which add up pretty fast when you get 3 dupes in a box of 4

@@MudkipPog its basically gambling, you don’t get what you want so you pay more to try and get it. That’s like conditioning players into gamblers

@@parkingmeters2646 you sound like an Overwatch loot box hater

@@parkingmeters2646 I don’t think anyone is saying loot boxes in general are great. Just that Overwatch had the best implementation of them in the industry. They were cosmetic only so zero impact to gameplay, when getting duplicated items you would get credits you could use to purchase skins you wanted. If you played a lot of Overwatch you could literally unlock everything because you could buy the skins with credits earned in loot boxes even if the item you wanted didn’t drop in the loot box. It honestly wasn’t that bad of a system in Overwatch. Sure you could buy loot boxes, and I did buy a pack once a year to keep supporting the game because I liked it and played it a lot (I didn’t need to as I had unlocked most everything I wanted). I haven’t given them any money now for the last 3 years though.

@@parkingmeters2646ou fail to realise that overwatch lootboxes was so common that there was no point in buying the lootboxes, I take overwatch lootboxes over battlepass any day.

Still, I ain't a fan of the battle pass progression system in general. Prestige systems of old felt more earned. 100 prestige and teh ability to roll it back and then do it over again about 20 more times, or something, with increasingly intricate stuff you can unlock only through gameplay, is much more rewarding than temporary progression that, once you clear your 100 tiers, you say, "well, nothing else to unlock. Ight, imma head out", then forget the game fucking exists. Battle passes are a lazy form of progression and deserve to be replaced with the rank and prestige system of old. And if I see someone do that, and simultaneously disregard the whole, "seasonal model and battle pass + shop system", and just says, "you wnat more content? Well, play the game a ton, and we'll maybe drop some crazy cosmetic stuff for your weapons from time to time. Huge packs at like 15$ for about 100 new skins at the end of the year, plus some healthy map packs interlaced between 3 and 9 month positioned small free drops.". Basically unify it through drg's big cosmetic bundles (I.E supporter packs only), the golden challenge system and easter egg systems for unlocking in game cosmetics through gameplay, a progression system that gives the battle pass and cosmetic shop a fuck off, a key visual vision that has consistency and even when wacky, maintains its core focus, and the era of fantastic map packs that "could" split the playerbase, but can be averted by instead marketing these dlc map packs as early access packages by a year. Pay, you get the content way ahead of everyone else. And in a year, it becomes free for everyone. That's a genius model that doesnt so much split the playerbase, as eventually everyone will have that dlc. And when the game ends its update support, servers are set to be open for all, so everyone can still play it into the future.

Those have a large, upfront cost of $60 and in Splatoon's case requires a yearly network subscription to even play online so yes, they can get away with free battle passes. F2P games cannot.

Just buy those games instead of "it's free i might as well get it" people getting baited so easy by that

@@ken7007 or just do what I do and not care, Who cares how my character looks if he has access to all the same gameplay features, I don’t need to fill out a battle pass just for that skin to eventually become old

Not developers, the companies. No sane dev wants to milk you for money they don't get, it is the higher ups at Activision who get the money and are the ones who pay devs the same regardless. The devs are forced to do it by the company.

@@empireyouth5791 Because skins can enhance your game? Why not play with wireframes on a plane white map without any textures, if you don't care about how a game looks?

@@Buglin_Burger7878 Tell that to Bungie after they split up from Activision.

It's somewhat crazy/funny I got this idea from a game like DBD, but it would be a win/win if they would just allow people to buy "backlog" passes. People still get the rewards they want, putting in the time/xp and they would still get the money and/or active player base. The obvious caveat would be that ranked or special event rewards should remain exclusive but it's petty on something from a regular battle pass. I love Valorant as a game but hate their passes and even how they do their feature weapon packs and you can NEVER (at least at this time) get the themed gun buddy, spray, or card again if you don't get it within the weeks in the shop, when some are pretty generic. Sorry I have a job and a life I guess?

That stupid idea came from Fortnite, sonething that I fucking hate so much. Even Halo respects this thibg, if you don’t complete it once the season is over, you can go back to that BP and complete it.

GameStop has an idea

@@SanDiegoDaD even if GameStop adopted this idea of selling digital assets, it's still baked into an always online service. Once the servers are gone, there will be nothing to recoup.

Account selling is a ongoing thing just look up epicnpc for example buddy

@@EmrlsCommunity So basically a play-to-earn (blockchain) game

imo i think its a good thing to not be able to re-sell collectables later. having millions of ppl trading/selling for irl money a digital item is dangerous, just look at NFTs

okay wanting to get "Everything" is pretty fucking entilted for 10 dollars.

idk why you tought you could buy everything there, it's literally so huge so you can have what to choose from

Its a big waste of money

@@communistwookie1243 Weird how we used to geth everything for 10 Dollars in earlier games though.

I wouldn't be surprised if the lol fighting game has a battle pass.

Wait until Capcom makes one and they all follow.

I remember Tekken 7 and Soul Calibur 6 being milked with seasons though.

@@projectz358 SF6 apparently has a battle pass lol 💀

@@anonanonymous9670 sweet Jesus help us all

I 100% agree I don't want to feel like i am subscribing to Overwatch Though so far ive grabbed the Mythic by only playing once or twice a week. I'm still pissed off that i feel a pressure to go Overwatch instead of being excited for it.

I experienced that only with Modern Warfare(2019). Nowadays, I only spend my time and money on Destiny 2's season passes.

Same, I do that in Fortnite. I only buy it when I reach a point where I'll get enough vbucks to buy the next one

I got that a couple years ago and then I just never played a game with a battle pass again

A thought I've had for a while is if they were to allow players to "backlog" previous passes. Letting us still buy them (and actively play) would be a win/win for both parties. I would understand not doing this very exclusive events (ranked, prestige, special promo or collab)

@@ThatScythe Devs need you make you feel the FOMO so that won't happen

tbh premier membership is cheaper than a years subscription so imo it’s not that bad, i do agree that the other mtx in the game is horrible, but all things considered it’s not the worst battle pass out there

It's crazy to compare what $60 Overwatch 1 vs "free to play" OW2 and battle passes gets us. With enough play/time in OW1, you could get loot boxes for the rewards you wanted or the gold. Yeah it sucked sometimes having the wait year round for a seasonal event reward you wanted (or the anniversary event, which I don't think would be a bad idea for other games to take a similar note) but you could still get that Dva skin you wanted for so long. Now with battle passes, if you didn't grind to level 72 in 40 days, the skin is gone. It wasn't an All-Star skin, it wasn't a BlizzCon skin or something to thank you for playing the beta, it was a season 2 theme skin.

also there are secrets in the map that gives you 1 level so finding secrets is more fun

Nahh. Then there would be no reason to play the game. What they should do is have it so that you'd have to pay for next season but you'd get access to older seasons context if you finish the new battle pass or something? Idk

@@Rayutomoto if the only reason to play the game is the battle pass, then that is nkt a good game

That defeats the whole purpose of battlepasses, which is giving players a reason to come back and play the game. A system similar to Halo where you can grind the old seasons' passes should be better.

@@incomplet1396 You're absolutely right, but these companies don't want to be fair with the player. They want engagement metrics and sales profits.

DRG is how Battle Passes should be. A fun, optional extra with stuff you can pick up or focus towards specifically if you want it, not something that dominates the gameplay loop.

You mean Chapter 3 Season 3?

I hope they can build off of that with maybe small amounts of credits for just playing flex like in OW1. I own all the OW1 skins myself but it's something to at least let you choose from the older skins if you are a new player or just missed one before the F2P transition because you couldn't get it through boxes during an event. Also the thing about the event rewards was something to say because it was annoying when the skin reward was something I already had. I grinded the titles during that Batlle for Olympus game mode because it was some to do and I did like the mode for what they were trying to do.

@@kosmosfan01 yeah the events were kinda meh so far but luckily they said that they'll be improving those as well and the skins you get will be new, though personally i think they should put more effort into the gamemodes and challenges because to me they lost their appeal incredibly quickly (especially olympus with the lucio stuns and roadhog being a thing)

@@amemoia Yeah, things like the Bride stuff and this were at least actually new whereas Winter and Lunar had the same events but the Winter Brig skin was at least new. I'm honestly interested in the PvE the most myself so I'm hoping there will be updates on that soon.

Rather fair is such a meaningless statement. Is it anti consumer? If so who cares? The best garbage is still garbage.

@@youare5907 loot boxes weren't anti consumer at all

@@Bluemansonic Can you give me your thought process on having to gamble to get what I want over just... getting what I want isn't anti consumer?

I think Clash Royale's OLD Battle pass was pretty good. The paid version had ridiculous rewards, but the Free version also had very good rewards, with pretty much every rank being a decent chest, and getting a Free champion+ Book of cards. What made it really good, is that you could Rank up INSANELY fast.

sounds like you just play too many games and own too many battlepasses at once

I never had that problem with Destiny 2. Coming from Apex legends and fortnite, Destiny 2 is the easiest battle pass I've ever completed. The challenges are like, "Kill enemies with this weapon type" or "Complete this season Mission" Im already 150+ lvls just by playing the game on weekends. Also Destiny 2 is the only game I have a BP, so if you have more than one from different games, then you're gonna struggle finishing them all.

@@Benjiizus thats the thing. It makes it very hard to play anything else.

@Kassaken but this is what im complaining about, though. Back in the season of the forge and season of opulence, i just casually enjoyed the game and did my thing and not feel like i have homework to do. Also, that's the thing the video is complaining about. I should be allowed to enjoy other games. but with this system, unlike before, it just forces you. I dont hate the game, i love it. I just miss the forsaken days.

You can finish the battle pass at any time in halo infinite, you dont need to stress about getting it done because it never expires

You’re so right! That’s why I only buy Fortnite’s battle pass : it’s not too grindy, the rewards are good and if I complete it I have 1500 vbuck while I spent 950 for it. I don’t know how people do to play mutiple games with this mecanism

You are so on point. I just got into Fortnite because of the No Build. I just spent on the Battle Pass once and I love it. The way it is right now is perfect. I know some were bummed by the non stacking weekly quests at the beginning, but the XP gain was just right this season. I am by no means playing daily or a grinder, but I am now currently on the bonus pages whilst playing the game twice or thrice a week and you're right, it doesn't feel like a chore. The quests spice up my gameplay subconsciously and it's fun. The midseason drops, bonus skin quests and the oathbound quests being spaced out is what makes it for a casual player like me. It really makes you look forward to the new quests and events here and there. Even now, with the Most Wanted update, which is so good I might add. Things like that are what makes a great battle pass stand out. To your point of getting it free the next season, that's a huge thing as well. The fact that it's not a seasonal expense, you get more that the v-bucks you spend and that if you wanted you can eventually get the battle pass by going the full F2P route for a couple of seasons? That's just so awesome imo. It just rewards people who love to play the game. It's so good.

People who suck off a company so they can retain their "exclusive" cosmetics fascinate me. Its literally pixels on a screen everyone should be able to enjoy. Just because someone had other commitments doesn't mean they shouldn't be gated from limited time content.

they don't even put at least one 5 star character in it

I agree, the progression was just horrible

Yeah definitely

Lmao People would just go "but it was free"

Exactly. Leave the slave mindset and you’ll be way happier

That same logic applies to all other games. The good experience is the dog treats and once it runs out of fun little experiences to give you then you stop playing. It is the fun little bits that matter to people be it passes or narratives or whatever.

God help us all

@@AttitudeIndicator Nah man it's genuinely good. It's basically accelerated progression for cosmetics and gives bonus credits and crafting minerals. Then when the season end all of the cosmetics go to the regular in game currency cosmetics shop and other regular drop sources. So the pass lets you get more stuff faster and nothing that you miss will be gone.

Rock and Stone, brother.

@@furgel7717 i would still prefer just being able to buy the cosmetics i want instead of going thru a giant map

@@flarfo348 Then you can just wait until the season is over and then you can buy them.

I do try to wait and to see where my progress goes on a pass, but for some games like Valorant, they have a tactic of giving you a "battle pass xp boost" when you buy the pass so you complete it faster than regular xp progress. Also if I'm playing a decent amount of different games, I can sometimes figure to buy the pass at all and lose all that progress for nothing so I've brought in advance before.

Definitely some are hit or miss and I hate we can't buy or go back to progress the older passes. They would still get our money (and time) and the players/consumer the rewards.

Cough cough multiversus

some are good that you no longer need grinding you to death(as indicate, genshin impact BP is good and fortnite as well). some are so bad that it turns it into a second job. as a gamer have a job and family, I don't have time grinding those kinds of battlepasses. that's why I focus more on single player games for enjoyment and relaxation(last of us, GOW, and so on)

does it gives you currency where you can buy the next bp?

Not even that, the whales stop boycotts from working. If 90% of the community left... that remaining 10% could easily pay for the community who refused to buy that stuff leaving. Since that entry fee is chip money compared to their other sales the community made a mild dent at best. Since the company doesn't need to make a quality game only one that works for the whales they can reduce production costs easily making more money then that 90% who left. Knowing this how do you boycott? The 90% of players need to talk about the game looking bad and leaving so shareholders leave. ...till Shareholders see the game still made a good profit despite us all leaving. Then they ignore public outcry. Companies no longer need to pay attention to the majority of the players.

I agree with this.

Agree. If they were all handled like Halo MCC or Deep Rock Galactic, I'd like them a hell of a lot more.

Battle passes are functionally just a worse leveling system then what we have had in the past for unlocking stuff. They are terrible because they make what was simple complex and give reasons to pad things out as the goal of them is to make more money not reward the player who already spent money.

@@Buglin_Burger7878 Have you not played Deep Rock Galactic? It's physically impossible to pay for it's season pass. And when the season is over, the items you didn't get are added to the game as rewards that show up randomly in missions.