Why Are People Trying To Phase Out These Great Steels? - TKG 221

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@metal_complex 8 дней назад

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@jd4edc 5 дней назад

Love that you put this out. I see so many people hate on S30V, S45VN, D2, 154CM for no reason other than they heard or read that 1 stat is superior ❤

@rj_ofb 5 дней назад

S45vn is one of my favourite steels. 🥰

@attila5221 5 дней назад

To be fair S30V can be a bitch and a half to deburr. And d2 can be a bit finicky to sharpen, but it offers so much edge retention at such a low price. s45 is fucking amazing, basically elmax.

@bigbl8717 5 дней назад

I like all except D2. I have knives in D2, so don't hate it. But for me, 154CM has the same toughness, negligible difference in edge retention, and much better corrosion resistance, so it makes more sense.

@louferrigno4712 5 дней назад

haha I am going to hate on D2 as well because it's a pain to sharpen and wears stones quickly I am not a fan of the mega super steels for the same reason. My favorites S30V, S35VN, S45VN, 154CM, and Nitro V too they nail the balance on ease of sharpening and corrosion resistance.

@jacobgebman4666 5 дней назад

I've carried my trusty Griptillian in 154CM for a very good long while. Most of its time was in my pocket while in pharmacy where it would cut plastic straps holding medication shipments. It's also been in my pocket while working on cars, and doing nearly every daily task around. I've honestly never oiled or really done much to maintain the blade but it's had no corrosion whatsoever and after nearly 10 years or so (of admittedly fairly light use) it's probably finally ready to be thoroughly sharpened. It's for that reason I love 154CM. I've been able to keep it tucked away in a pocket and essentially forget about it and it just keeps right on trucking. It's been a fantastic steel for me over the years and I've recently purchased a few more knives in the steel to give the benchmade a break lol. It's not the newest or the greatest of super steels but for me (a fairly average knife user) it's been great.

@craigrj232323 5 дней назад

Edge retention is king until the first time they go to sharpen something above 440. Then its hated and never gets truly sharpened due to lack of patience. Its all in what your capable of maintaining.

@Skinnymoose 5 дней назад

If I cant sharpen it in 5 minutes after work I dont want it.

@cintage 5 дней назад

Depends on your sharpening equipment though.

@callyacaos5339 5 дней назад

That is a very important point. If you have a 65hrc blade and you bring out your 20$ amazon whetstones, you will have a frustrating evening. If you go hard you have to buy expensive tools to maintain it and "learn" how to use them. You don't give it to your scissor sharpener at the local Mall. Same goes with cars. If your car is incredibly fast, you must learn to handle it properly.

@Silence-and-Violence 5 дней назад

@callyacaos5339 you can easily sharpen the new Rex 121 Sage 5 at 72ish HRC on a $30 worksharp field sharpener.

@bornonthebattlefront4883 4 дня назад

Not even remotely true tho D2 and S35VN take about the same amount of time to sharpen WITH THE RIGHT TOOLS Use a good diamond stone, not a 20$ “whet stone” from Amazon And you’ll be surprised at how fast you can sharpen a hard steel Why buy a 100$, 200$ 500$+ knife Then sharpen it on a 15$ sharpening stone Like buying a Lambo and cheaping out on the tires

@ryansmock2717 5 дней назад

Edge retention doesn't matter when you have more knives than days of the year.

@OldBadger1 3 дня назад

😅😅That's me. Plus I love to sharpen.

@ArrowVelocity 5 дней назад

Many people don’t realize you can only strengthen 1-2 attributes of steel while having to sacrifice another of the three, edge retention, toughness, and corrosion res; you can’t maximize all three. Maybe a better rephrase idk. Edit, people also need to look at Spyderco’s steel chart on their web and see how similar cpm20cv, cpm s30v, cpms90v, and magnacut are in terms of composition. S90v being the oldest of the four made in the 90’s has the most basic composition but shares all of it’s elements in the other three steels described and has the highest vanadium amount. S90v also shares the same chromium amount with s30v. While inferior in amounts of vanadium to s90v, Magnacut also shares the same vanadium amount as 20cv and s30v. Just saying there is lots of similarities between these four.

@bornonthebattlefront4883 5 дней назад

That’s why S90V for example (side note, why don’t we get S110V blades? It’s tougher and more stainless than S90V, while not losing too much edge retention) S90V at 60 HRC, will have like 35% higher edge retention then 20CV at the same hardness But 20CV is like 25% more stainless and 10% tougher then S90V It’s all a trade off Most people don’t need the endless toughness of a 56 HRC low alloy steel, so losing 50% of the toughness of a blade isn’t all that big of a deal when you increase Carbon and Chromium carbides Then there are other carbide makers such as Vanadium and Molybdenum, which are both significantly better at their respective roles over Carbon and Chromium Needing less of the more expensive materials, but getting similar edge retention and stainless properties That’s why Magnacut is so tough It has fewer total carbides, while using more expensive carbides in higher amounts then normal, to get a tougher blade as well as the other elements That and added nitrogen and niobium carbides make the blade tougher We are getting closer and closer to the best possible material science

@ArrowVelocity 5 дней назад

@@bornonthebattlefront4883 we are and it is really cool to see the evolution of knife steel composition

@OneMinuteKnifeReview 5 дней назад

@@bornonthebattlefront4883 have a s110v native 5.......

@ArrowVelocity 5 дней назад

@@OneMinuteKnifeReview he obviously meant why don’t we get s110v more in the modern day market vs the “hype” steels

@OneMinuteKnifeReview 5 дней назад

@@ArrowVelocity i think you said it, the hype

@00YahSun 5 дней назад

Magnacut is perfect for me. Cut tons of sheetrock, plastic shipping straps, cardboard, wet bags of gravel n mortar n sand, wood shims n of course my steak n fruits n veggies 😅 Edge always comes right back with a little honing and strop with 1 micron diamond paste on leather so fast and easy

@call_me_mado5987 5 дней назад

My guy, magnacut is perfect for everyone XD

@yoinky 5 дней назад

@call_me_mado5987 yea, like...no really? The steel with the highest stat balance in all 3 categories is perfect for you??? 😂

@metal_complex 5 дней назад

@@yoinky you have 2 comments here (ever) and both are inflammatory. I'll make sure everyone knows not to take you seriously if this is your whole goal. That, or I can just get rid of you permanently. Make better decisions

@vmon215 5 дней назад

Magnacut is also my favorite. It's amazing how easily cardboard, tape, and plastic destroys blades and Magnacut does some to hold up the best to that type of work.

@TimsSchoolOfFish 5 дней назад

Wait… so when a new steel is created, the steels that came before don’t cease to function?! Wish I hadn’t thrown all my D2 knives away!! 😆 It’s funny how the average knife user will obsess over a steel’s composition but doesn’t obsess over much more important things - like the tires they put on their automobile for example (which are used FAR more often and on which their lives and the lives of their families actually depend). Such is the power of influence and marketing. It’s an upside down world we live in!

@OneMinuteKnifeReview 5 дней назад

🤣

@matthewhebbert9712 5 дней назад

Yeah, I hate that I had to throw away my dad's old Buck 110 when came out. That old Buck skinned a lot of deer, elk, and pronghorn, it used to do every job asked of it and was easy to sharpen and maintain, but when came out, it suddenly just stopped cutting and then dissolved into dust. I hate it when that happens.

@Jstarr918 5 дней назад

S30v on my native 5 is fantastic!

@Woolsocks 5 дней назад

Most people could stop with anything in VG10, 154cm, 14c28n, s30v and a worksharp field sharpener, that is all that they would really need. Between those compositions you get a ton of variety but similar quality

@georgedoesstuff170 5 дней назад

THANK YOU for making this video!! I'm an older guy and I have been collecting for a little over a Decade. I love S30V!! I've had almost every steel para 2 spyderco has made and the only one I actually EDC is my oldest S30V. It has performed like a champ! It's cut everything it's needed to. I've put it through the laundry more than once (by accident)LOL! Today it is currently one of the sharpest knives in my collection! I love all the Metals that have fallen out of favor S30V, M390/20cv and D2!! All if heat treated are AMAZING!!! I've fallen in love with S90V but that's another story. So cheers!! Thanks for fighting the good fight and keep up the great content!!!

@Mike_Y. 5 дней назад

Great video, I admit i fall into the steel type hype too much.

@JosephOlson-ui2pg 5 дней назад

I do too but it's when I want to up the novelty when I buy a knife the alloy being common detractsthat which for me is painful. So ultimately it's me cutting my enjoyment. My own worst enemy

@lumntoob999 5 дней назад

I’ll admit I initially started to get caught up in steel composition when I first got into pocket knives, which wasn’t all that long ago. I have a lot of hobbies though and always end up deep down a rabbit hole so I did tons of reading and got a better grasp on things. Even now knowing what I know I still catch and have to remind myself of two main things, 1. there are many factors that affect the properties of a blade and 2. many of the “lower end” high quality steels are amazing. The single biggest thing for me was learning how to sharpen a knife really well, that relieved the bias of prioritizing edge retention so highly. I now get just as excited for new sharpening stones as I do for a new knife or instead of spending time hunting for a new knife I’ll go spend time seeing how good of an edge I can get on my current knives. I still understand people who get caught up in collecting and owning different knives/steels, it’s all fun if you can remember to not take things too seriously.

@zdbrownie 5 дней назад

I think the issue with this rant really comes down to two main issues. First is that most knife people know s30v is more than good enough for the vast majority if not all pocket knife tasks. MC is cool if the price is right but I love s35vn for most of my folders personally. Rarely would be able to notice a difference between s30v and s35vn in all honesty. The issue is then putting premium price tags on s30v g10 type knives. Bodacious for example, I'm sure its a great capable enough knife but $280 for s30v and flat g10 is, imo, at least $80 to $100 overpriced. Especially when Kershaw has well priced MC and aluminum knives available. Wheres the disconnect? That is a very valid complaint. The Second issue is most knife collectors aren't really knife users. Thats not a dig just facts the people who work in an office and don't camp or do outdoors things aren't using a knife as an actual tool. So it then does become about the newest greatest steel available. It's pocket jewelry to show off to other knife people first a tool second. They do want to phase out s30v for that reason.

@miller8638 2 дня назад

Ageed 👍 My most used are s35, 14c, or 154cm. Only have 1 elmax from ray laconico & 1 s90v from divo. All of which are used. Had a koenig arius & sold it because I didn't want to use it (price go's 👇)

@Itrieditathome889 5 дней назад

As a blue collar guy who uses their knives at work, I can definitely appreciate things like S90V and Maxamet. I can get a week out of said steels where something like cruwear or d2 can be trashed in a day. Wouldn't even make it a full day with something like 8cr.

@eatonknass247 5 дней назад

How's the toughness? Genuinely curious as I've no experience using either. Id like an edge that can last a week but Ill also bang on the spine with a hammer or side torque it to pry staples etc. Hard to find something that gives both. Best I've found is PFs N690 on the fixed beluga which will hold an edge 3 or 4 days of hard regular use

@johnpaulgonzalesLWB 5 дней назад

S90V lasting a week is crazy work brother. Have you considered investing in a good utility blade?

@RAID5_Aesthetic 5 дней назад

What work are you doing with a knife? Specifically. That would help the convo.

@eatonknass247 5 дней назад

@@johnpaulgonzalesLWB I used the week number because he did. As I said. Zero experience with the stuff. And utility blades are thin chippy crap for what I do

@bloatedtonydanza7798 5 дней назад

⁠⁠@@johnpaulgonzalesLWBhi, whats a good utility blade in your opinion? Thank you

@roybokelman4215 5 дней назад

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!!??! MC probably

@isildurelendurion1822 5 дней назад

S30v is still great steel, but it should be cheaper.

@rks9612 5 дней назад

I like s30v more than 35 or 45!

@jtcedwards 5 дней назад

Why though?

@b4idie2 5 дней назад

Edge retention toughness hardness blade geometry and corrosion resistance are all the things I look for in a blade. Overall I look for good ergos, fun factor, good detent, multiple ways to deploy the blade comfortably, fidget factor, etc. Thanks for educating me over the last 6 years MC! 😎👍

@JesseJames-ft4df 5 дней назад

My experience has been that even using some of the more got to have steels such as 20cv, s90v, maxamet are all wonderful steels for what they are designed for, however as a professional first responder when I look at what I do and what I need a blade for I generally have 2 go to steels…s30v and magnacut.. I find those to be very well balanced with good toughness…and quite honestly in my line of work I’m still not pushing those steels to their limits…the interesting thing is both of these steels is they were specifically designed for cutlery…and s30v is very similar to magnacut with the exception being in corrosion resistance…when heat treated correctly of course…now I may be in the minority but when I get asked what I use and recommend from my experience I recommend s30v from a good manufacturer known for doing heat treating and geometry correctly…my daily carry is either a manix 2 …shaman or a griptillian

@ryanm6869 4 дня назад

I preordered a sage 5 rex 121 and then cancelled because i did more research. I consider myself a newbie although i’ve always carried a pocket knife. Couldnt tell ya to save my life what kind of blade steel my old kershaw chive and leek used. Ever since i bought a para 3 in s45vn (and sharpened it myself), ive been diving down the rabbit hole of learning about blade steels! I still want a sage 5 but i think im gonna go with the spy27 steel because it seems like a good balance of toughness and harndness for my everyday use. Great video 🤙

@miller8638 2 дня назад

I thought about the the sage in rex, then reminded myself I didn't really need that steel 😅

@RAID5_Aesthetic 5 дней назад

On day one with the Maxamet Sage 1 I damaged the blade tip cutting straps around pavers. Must have caught a piece of gravel that was wedged between the strap and the paver. That gouge will always be there. And that's why working on stones gravel and landscaping is done with an inexpensive D2 bladed knife.

@BrianKasnowski-t8l 4 дня назад

Great video sir.... My daily carry is almost always D2... i use it for my needs for the day, hit it up on the strop and it is razor sharp for the next day... Geometry and heat treat... plus a good strop can keep a knife lasting for many years..

@OldBadger1 3 дня назад

I've been around knives most of my life: Military, Chef, Trail guide, Pro Sharpening service, FMA practitioner. I'm comfortable with all of the following: 420hc 440c Aus 8,10 4116 X50 VG10 D2 1075,1095,5160 Depending on use. Heat treat and Geometry are paramount. The rest is hype. Buy a stone, learn how to sharpen. Best relaxing pastime ever.😊.Mordi.

@Knifeandbrass 5 дней назад

I put a mirror polish edge on a friends Spyderco manix 2 in S30V. They do such a good heat treatment. You can tell the difference.

@mattakudesu 5 дней назад

For my limited use at work and everyday life, budget stainless steels like 14c28n, 154cm, and 9cr13mov do pretty much everything I need. I have a Kershaw in 20cv, but I really can't tell much of a difference except that I don't have to strop it back quite as much. I was never a huge steel snob even though I do find learning about them very interesting, but that was more for the sake of finding the best value steel instead of the BEST at edge retention.

@BladesOnABudget 5 дней назад

Thanks man. Great video here on an important topic. It’s a shame that so many people are putting down some of the best steels from “yesterday”. Well done. 👍

@jeffcanfixit 5 дней назад

TKG is a fixture for Sundays. 👍👍🔪 I certainly enjoy picking up the latest steels. But I really focused on my sharpening skills when S30V became mainstream. I guess I'm fortunate,,, I still like it,, but I damn sure bought a Rex121 🤣 Thanks M.C.

@brian041270 5 дней назад

Think in terms of bastard files. They're very hard (high hrc). They'll shatter if dropped on a hard surface. Such as concrete..

@webfinitydesign 4 дня назад

This is a great video topic! I used to get mesmerized but all the new fancy super steels but I have come to realize that I don't need any of those fancy steels and I'm sure that most knife owners don't either! Sure, I have many different steels and I enjoy the variety but I don't like to feel bullied into buying the newest steels just to have them! If you think about it, America was built with knives and tools made from far less quality steels! Lots of rough country was conquered and many trails were blazed with plain old carbon steel an somehow we made it to where we are now! If you want to be a true collector...enjoy new steel offerings but don't be afraid to embrace tried and true steels! They will still serve you well.

@cintage 5 дней назад

It’s not a problem at all if you have your favourite steels for whatever reason. There are so many fantastic high end steels and if you like them, that’s perfectly fine. There are also many excellent “budget steels“ and you can also love them. 14C28N, NitroV, 154CM, even 10Cr… or Becut … all great. Gosh, I have some knives with 440A which are great. I love that we have the choice and we can enjoy all those fantastic steels.

@Mrams_22 5 дней назад

Great topic of discussion MC! Most modern steels will get the job done. It is fun to experiment with new steels or crazy steels sometimes still. I guess that’s the enthusiast in all of us!

@peezyorpj 5 дней назад

I haven’t been in this hobby for that long, but as a knife guy. I honestly don’t care what the steel is as long as it CUTS. Yes, I try collecting steels that I don’t have, but I will also admit that most of the time all I ever do with a knife is open letters, cut boxes, cut box tape, or cut cord. I buy what I buy because I just have a passion for it and my hobbies distract me from the burdens of life. 🤣

@mikemoore1432 5 дней назад

Knives are to cut things with, Not pry things open or apart and knives are not screw drivers either, Use them to cut things with and learn how to sharpen and you can enjoy all the different types of steel

@wesb123 5 дней назад

Try telling that to the average Joe and Jill 😅😅😅

@chevyman6999 5 дней назад

People are messy. We all are guilty to some extent. I actually like how some companies, such as Kubey for one example, build a premium knife and use budget and mid-tier steels. You get a fancy pants build you can still enjoy because lets face it, ain't none of us using our fancy pants knives to scrape the old wax seal off of an old toilet flange.

@mannycano4599 3 дня назад

S30V is like the Toyota Camry or Honda Civic of knife steels in my opinion super reliable, easy to sharpen. definitely holds an edge for a good amount of time as well

@jeffbell7983 4 дня назад

Having been in the tool & die for many years, there is always a balance between hardness and toughness.

@cwalker228 5 дней назад

Thanks for the discussion video. This is the kind of content that new collectors need to see. The kind of stuff I looked for when I started out. As a collector it’s easy to become a steel snob due to other social media, myself included. But I’d say the majority of us buying high end knives aren’t really using them as tools.

@captntrousers4646 2 дня назад

That can of spaghetti O’s bit got me 😂

@p51d10 5 дней назад

For anyone interested, there is a no brand knife listed on Amazon in S30V steel. It looks and acts very much like a copy of the Vosteed mini Psyop, although there is no mention of Vosteed or mini Psyop in the listing. It sells for $37.99, low enough that I decided to take a chance on it, and I was impressed with the quality for cost. While it won't be replacing my mini Psyop, it is staying in my collection.

@mannycano4599 3 дня назад

also, so far I've had really good results with my Civivi Praxis I think it's the 9 cr mov it's easy to sharpen. it seems to hold an edge fairly well and I've been using it lately as my day-to-day

@Rattersar15 5 дней назад

My hard use knife is in S30v and it's fantastic, holds and edge, easily touched up, just keeps working.

@ix8750 5 дней назад

I kinda dropped off the steel hype train after I have learned how to sharpen my edges. I have a collection of many different knives and steels but I started really enjoying my knives with stuff like D2 and S30v

@jg8979 3 дня назад

I needed my fainting couch when you started saying a knife can’t be used for everything. How dare you 😂 Good talk though, a lot of people need to hear it. So many people shit over any and every steel that doesn’t hit 64 and act like it’s butter.

@JAMINGRIZZ 4 дня назад

I have no problem with 8cr13mov or 9cr18mov. For a large percentage of job tasks and people this wouldbo work. Being a knife guy I always have a sharpener on hand.Kind of reminds me of the BDZ1 rage,couldn't get enough material to meet demand so it disappeared. I made a post on the Hogue site asking about 30cv on the Ballista XL, no response,guess it's not current enough. Enjoy your content

@themattenthehat 5 дней назад

One of the most overlooked relationships between boutique steel and price is blade finish. A high grit finish on something like 10V takes EXPONENTIALLY longer than, say, 3V.

@vmon215 5 дней назад

I buy knives as a user and as a bit of a collector. I really don't get too worked up over the steel types, even if I do have my favorites. I don't get the S30V hate. It's totally fine as an EDC steel.

@D00MTR33 5 дней назад

S30v is still really good. Makers know how to HT and grind it now (not the case when it first came out with Benchmade) and it performs great. I have a Fantoni that's 61-62hrc and a small cusom fixed blade thats 63hrc and they peform amazing (pretty sure they won't be good for cutting through nails though). I enjoy my older Spyderco and Benchmades in it as well.

@bwunger 4 дня назад

Just as a reminder, high hardness steels are stronger than low hardness. Hardness and strength are directly correlated. Its just that high strength and low toughness skips right past bending right to shattering with no warning so they seem like they break more easily when you would have stopped prying when your low strength steel felt like it was bending. Its a false argument that they break more easily.

@SHTFdan 5 дней назад

If I were to buy a fancy shmancy knife I’d like it to have a fancy shmancy steel. If I were to buy a knife I plan to use I’d like it to have a steel that’s meant to be used.

@BlazeBerger 5 дней назад

We won't stop pushing for better steals until we get lightsabers!

@SilverbackBubba 4 дня назад

I remember when knives with D2, 154CM or ATS-34 blades were considered PREMIUM knives. S30V was a major upgrade to those steels which relegated them to obscurity. I much prefer knives with S30V, 154CM/ATS-34, or D2 knives. Knives with these steels can be cheaply made, and the steels’ best heat treatment are well known and documented. Give me a knife made with 154CM/ATS-34 over 14C18N any day. Give me an S30V knife over an S35VN knife any time.

@djxs666 4 дня назад

My Sage 5 with carbon fiber scales in S30V gets the most pocket time. I sometimes wonder why CPM even made S35VN and S45VN, given how little difference there is between these 3 steels. I guess S35VN and S45VN are slightly tougher, but S30V is probably slightly more corrosion resistant and holds an edge slightly better. And then Spyderco had SPY27 created, which seems almost identical to S45VN. Seems like a lot of R&D for minimal returns.

@N3wbMa5t3r 3 дня назад

S30V is my favorite steel followed by 14C28N.

@Skinnymoose 5 дней назад

I love S30v. That said, new steels sell knives. Personally I prefer the easier to sharpen steels over the super hard high edge retention steels.

@Below-Average_Joe 5 дней назад

I remember when BG42 was used on Sebenzas and customs and I never see it anymore. I used own a $400 Dosier custom folder in D2. I used to have a double lock back traditional knife by PJ Tomes in 12C27, I bought around 2001 and it was the most expensive knife I ever bought at $600. Realistically, it was a gents knife and it would have lasted for years with that steel if used properly. Wonder steels are great, but most of are not going to come close to wearing out our expensive knives. One trend I do love, however, is 154cm on inexpensive knives. Kizer uses it on lots of inexpensive knives.

@jakefromohiostate 5 дней назад

I’ve been collecting for close to 30 years (mostly in the sub $150 range), I can remember when S35VN was ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!! Way out of my price range! Of course I can remember when it started dropping as well, I bought as many knives with that steel as I could afford! Truly if my collection could consist of 14c, S35 and Elmax…I’d be totally happy! Like most collectors I have enough knives to keep a solid monthly rotation, I don’t even come close to using the potential of 14c…let alone S35 or Elmax. But I do enjoy the variety.

@TheOutlaws9295 5 дней назад

Thanks for standing up for S30v

@great_usurper 5 дней назад

Video had me rolling and what he said about D2 is spot on. I beat my grip D2 up frequently and use it in ways some would scold me for and its still cutting

@77loka 4 дня назад

I hope my Shaman will arrive tomorow. Im very exited.

@earlwoods8253 5 дней назад

Am I the only one that screamed Spyderco after he said 123?

@jonathanwatson268 3 дня назад

I am not saying that S30V sucks but I personally don't like it. I have cleaned and sharpened a lot of knives for friends and family and S30V almost always needs some rust cleaned off and chips sharpened out. I've seen much fewer issues with S35VN. It's edge retention isn't quite as good but it's so much easier to work with and doesn't rust or chip nearly as easily. I wouldn't be upset if S30V became less commonly used.

@indy5797 4 дня назад

Jump to RU-vid video of JoBob soaking his Magnacut blade is salt water for a few days only to learn that it can develop rust! Quick Bubba, grabs da shotgun wees been lied to! Great rant and thanks for giving s30v and family some love. Given proper care, its ballance makes it one of the all-time greats. I have two chefs knives one s35 and the other s45. Two of the best knives I own. The steels are perfect for their designe brief.

@noxypoxyroodypoo 5 дней назад

Magnacut is about 3x as tough as S30V with the same edge retention. S90V has about 33% more edge retention than S30V with the same toughness. Sorry, it's obsolete.

@Jmon808 3 дня назад

Then why are companies still making knives with s30v ? Why is it still so awesome of Steel ? S90v and magnacut are awesome too.

@noxypoxyroodypoo 3 дня назад

@Jmon808 Mostly because they are used to working that steel, and it's cheaper than the better steels. The only real benefit to the consumer is that it's slightly cheaper.

@AndyMcGehee 4 дня назад

This rant made me think of the Spyderco Subvert and why I didn’t want to go near it until the sprint run came out. Was it because S30V was unacceptable and they finally made a version in CPM-20CV? Nope. It’s because I loathed the abomination that was the orange G10 scales on the standard version and jumped with both feet when they offered it in carbon fiber. S30V would have been fine. Hell, G10 in another color would have been fine, too, or some flavor of micarta… don’t care… anything but the orange.

@Spthomas47 5 дней назад

The only time I've had a problem with s30 is on my Shaman; factory edge was super chippy, probably just overheated, but after putting a new edge on it? Great. Now, would I love a Smock in rex or cruwear? Yes please and thank you, but s30 is better than great on it. D2, nitro v, 154cm, 14c28n, etc all get as much pocket time at work as the rest if I enjoy the knife. On a different note, all but one knife I've given away has been s35 though. Not sure why I added that. Ah, well. Happy Sunday.

@JosephOlson-ui2pg 5 дней назад

MC is entertaining in how funny he is! Thought provoking ticklrs the mind and the laughs are here!

@HailPatrick 5 дней назад

Gunna start a drinking game. 1 drink everytime MC says the word "right" Think I would be black out drunk in 5 min! Lol. Love ya MC!

@OneMinuteKnifeReview 5 дней назад

right?!

@polwit 5 дней назад

I bought Sage 5 CF/G10 from Kaviso recently at around $130 (brand new old stock). S30V!! What an excellent performance knife!! Easier to use, easier to sharpen and way cheaper than the Rex121 😅

@zxkid890 5 дней назад

i love my spyderco amalgam in s30v but i just buy my knives based on appearance

@JosephOlson-ui2pg 5 дней назад

Happy are those like you!

@BFVgnr 5 дней назад

I still have good knives in ATS34

@johnricks7277 5 дней назад

My Dailey users are all S30V and S35VN. I absolutely love those two steals.

@vorpalblades 5 дней назад

I don't need anything beyond S30V myself.

@jtcedwards 5 дней назад

Blade steel matters not if your edge angle is incorrect. People just want something new for that momentary satisfaction that just leaves them wanting more. This will never be answered but I do wonder what percentage of knives being produced get out to use. I am fortunate to have a job that I can put knives to use. But even then it is not hard use. Been super happy with 15v. Can bust straps off of lifts of lumber and still be sharp enough to whittle with. As does s30v though.

@ALT.EverydayCarry 5 дней назад

Lololol thanks for that laugh. That’s spaghetti-o’s comment make me choke on the PRIME I was drinking!

@karlhenize1888 5 дней назад

Magnacut is going to make the other CPM stainless steels (S30v, S35vn, S45vn, and possibly S90v) obsolete for knives.

@metal_complex 5 дней назад

No. The cost is coming down dramatically on everything (save for S30V) so there's still plenty of reason for people to pick these steels up. Also S90V still destroys magnacut for edge retention. That steel is still in its own class.

@timothy9596 5 дней назад

Always a great discussion MC. I must point out that you are part of that "problem" by pointing out different steels in knives and how you do it. If you look at your Maxace Black Mirror video, you specifically point out the quality of the steel for the price. Same thing with your Kunwu Padre review when you say "This steel is usually reserved for much more expensive knives". I've heard you say that in several videos. I'm not saying it's bad, not in the least, but whether you like it or not you are an influencer when it comes to viewer purchases. I've purchased several knives based on your particular review and I'm sure I'm not alone. I'm part of the "problem" because I'm sick of M390 and would like to see more S90V, lol.

@Naptosis 5 дней назад

What difference do you find in those two steels? And how do you think S90V benefits you more? If you don't mind me asking.

@timothy9596 5 дней назад

@@Naptosis Like most folks around here, including MC, I'm a casual knife user. Meaning I open packages, cut up cardboard boxes and other light duty things. I've had bad luck with M390 when it comes to edge retention. I'm sure that has to do with bad heat treats as MC has pointed out on several occasions. S90V is easier to heat treat and holds an edge 3-4 times as long. At least in my experience.

@metal_complex 5 дней назад

The steels in reference didn't become expensive/popular after I pointed out that they were expensive/popular. I don't have any effect on the cost/popularity of this stuff. S90V/M390/ZDP have actually come DOWN in price since my presence on RU-vid. There were simply nowhere near the same number of S30V blades out there. I think this comment is off base, but I appreciate it anyway. My point was that S30V/D2 etc are still great. Definitely not outdated.

@timothy9596 5 дней назад

@@metal_complex I totally agree with you about D2 and S30V. I own a few Spydercos with S30V and numerous others with D2 and have no complaints. The videos I referenced aren't ancient. The Padre Review came out last year and Black Mirror no more than two years ago.

@metal_complex 5 дней назад

@timothy9596 right, but either way, my praise and observations were just that. Praise and observations. My words didn't influence anything as far as where the steels sat in terms of popularity / spotlight in the community.

@1980JPA 5 дней назад

I will buy almost any composition of steel (440c 👍🏾). Using knives extensively at work (contractor) I'm very conscious of which steel I use for which task, and after work use can be almost anything if I like the design. BUT, I am one that is very conscious of how much money pay for what. I will use anything that is priced accordingly, and I'm sure that's the area where my opinion may differ from other's. Btw, I love it when a good steel falls out of favor with the community and the price ends up reflecting that😂

@ZombieKid-.- 5 дней назад

It’s nice to know I’m not the only one to get drunk and open a can of Spaghettios with a knife 🔪 🥫😊

@polyviossimopoulos2436 5 дней назад

Rock ’n’ roll ain’t noise polution!

@Chongy28 5 дней назад

All this talk about steel when edge geometry is the more important factor when it comes to cutting performance.

@jeffrey-ye9qv 5 дней назад

maybe the conversation should be on heat treat quality within the community

@austincorreia53 5 дней назад

Awesome video and discussion as always MC!🤘

@tonyb8434 5 дней назад

I just sharpened my Civivi Brazin tanto with D2. It came out very well. I heard that D2 was hard to get a great edge on. I guess they were talking out of their azz.

@rhinosaur. 5 дней назад

I have to laugh a bit at the "and it's not even MagnaCut" crowd, but I also want to thank them for turning up their noses to so many excellent knives in steels like S45VN making it easier for me to acquire them.

@deadvikingtrolls 4 дня назад

Really not seeing a lot of reason to run anything but magnacut, cruwear and 1095 anymore beyond maybe cost.

@velvetine74 5 дней назад

I love forums where people complain about 154cm or S30v on a Leatherman Multitool. No understanding whatsoever about what great steels they both are for a multitool. I don't blame them. This whole Magacut train is a good example. It is a REALLY great steel, but it's like people have tunnel vision for it the past year or two. I think it's a case of trends becoming even bigger trends because of feed back to retailers from customers dialled up and pumped back out to customers and then fed back to retailers and so on.

@joeisabella6811 5 дней назад

Good topic 👌

@richardsalinetrojr1957 5 дней назад

Haha. I've never heard anyone (other than myself) call another a troglodyte. Tbh, I never knew that word until seeing an episode of Big Bang Theory. Now I use that word frequently. Lmfao. I cut a lot of cardboard and cut open a lot of ingredient bags on a daily basis and my 3 most used knives are the MSI (M390MK), the Microtech Auto Stitch (M390), and my ZT0562CF (CPM20CV). For me, edge retention is what I tend to gravitate to when it comes to blade steel and those 3 have done just fine for my daily needs and they never really need anything other than a good stropping once they start dulling out.

@bloatedtonydanza7798 5 дней назад

Im new and like the yapping 😂. I take some of your ideas and correlate them to certain areas in my life 😅

@munkyenima 5 дней назад

I came for the fancy knives, stayed for the knife philosophy. (what pun? 😂)

@chevyman6999 5 дней назад

ROTFLMAO! I can't stop laughing 😂🤣! Pounding on nails 🤣 Jingling keys 🤣 MC you're frikin hilarious!! I've never been on tiktok however, I can only imagine. People are wild. I keep having to pause/rewind bc I'm lauging so hard. Awesome! Thanks MC for always making us laugh!!!

@rockpopper9343 5 дней назад

Funny I’m looking at the BladeHQ exclusive CJRB Prado in s90v and I can’t help but keep thinking “man I wish it was available in s30v instead.”

@GS-lh2nx 5 дней назад

What I wonder about is cost of different steels. Buck makes some knives with the old 420hc and its $50. But if you want a better steel like s35vn is $140. I understand its different and in demand but does it really cost $100 more? Its not like there is more steel in one than the other. Is it just manufacturing costs or is it just perceived value?

@josecintron85 5 дней назад

Question... What is the knife that is under the Spydreco (black scales with bronze end) and the black one with the orange stud that is middle?

@darkbrain4211 5 дней назад

Bronze end one is the Kershaw Iridium. Pretty cool knife and affordable.

@ras9182 5 дней назад

I need visual aids. Pictures you could point at would be great.

@D00MTR33 5 дней назад

How many time did we hear, " we cranked the hrc higher than it should go". I never hear that. When did that happen? What maker?

@patrickandrews4206 5 дней назад

@metal_complex I think you’re dead ass right about this issue of Blade steel I’m only about three years into the community and have had so many confusing past. I’ve gone down with Wade steel and treatment and why companies don’t do what other people say they should do to hit the no high numbers. I’ve asked questions and live stream that I cringe at now.and send Instagram messages that I cringe at now. I really think you should create a video that is for brand new to the knife community people and pin it in your I don’t know your page or your channel that way you can kind of talk through the various issues of evaluating and selecting a knife and God and help them avoid cringe moments like mine.