Why Are Shotguns So DEADLY? Surgeon Reacts to GARAND THUMB Shotgun vs Human Torso 

Shame. Your content is amazing.

I suggest you guys do a colab. I bet you will be a very welcomed addition to the task force

Awesome subject...we appreciate you.

@@Plastikdoom This is even more of a reason for an enterprising company to support such content. They can do what YT won't

Please note that ballistics gelatin or ballistics gel (two different substances) is not 1 to 1 analogous to a human. Ballistics gelatin or ballistics gel is mainly used (if calibrated and at a specific temperature) to provide a repeatable test medium for research. The FBI recommends that the projectiles be able to penetrate 16 - 20 inches in ballistics gelatin to perform adequately in a human torso. The gelatin will allow greater penetration than a human body will by about 105% to 110%. Additionally, the test medium does not adequately imitate skin, bone, organs or other tissues and any clothing worn will have an effect as well. The recommendations made by the FBI addresses the shortcomings in the test medium when testing the performance of ammunition. The FBI standard is based on a specific and repeatable test medium and testing conditions which allow for useful testing and evaluation of the performance of various projectiles which allows us to compare them accurately. The FBI standard also allows for independent verification of the results by others. The Ballistic torsos used in this video does address some of the short comings of a standard block of ballistics gelatin or ballistics gel alone. The torsos used still lack skin and clothing and we do not know if they were calibrated, what temp they are at during filming, how old they are and other factors, so your mileage may vary.

@@nowcycle Garand Thumb is known in the guntube community as flannel daddy. He wears a lot of flannel shirts, or used to.

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@@grob25 definitely, this man and his flannels get us through everything.

@@nowcycle pappa garand.

@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ don't you misuse my name or I'll tell dad

Wow, thanks!

He must be paid by leftis democrats

Thank you for your kind words! Glad that you enjoyed it!

And *huge respect* for your chosen profession! An orthopedic surgeon set my life course back a-straight when he screwed my hamstrings back to the bottom of my pelvis. Grateful.

@@Brobee223 I love your channel, very useful for determining the effectiveness of various shotty loads

U ok?

@@georgesanchez7929 you know deer starve to death and get hunted and eaten by other predators, right?

Look up GarandThumb

@@ThyFilthyCasual Oh I watch every one of his videos. I just want to see more of the medical breakdown.

A match made in Bullet Heaven

Am getting sick :)

Bro your profile pic

"But only if it's the right load at the right distance." ::big shit-eating grin::

.50 cals hand deliver your notice that hippy hoppity their body is now your jello property.

That is an amazing quote. 👏🏼

Clint is a beautiful human being. The things that come out of his mouth are golden.

Truth right there. I’ve found chunks of deer on the ground at the spot where I hit it. Deer mostly found within 20 yds of that spot.

Wow, thank you!

A bone racker is not A surgon

@@MikeKoczera he's an orthopedic surgeon. It's literally his job title

Hotdamn

You ok?

@@dubuyajay9964 ikr? See psychologist just in case

Thanks for your comments. I always try to share the info in as neutral a way as possible. Usually, I can keep my political stance out of it. In this case, I am a gun owner, hence my interest in the topic.

​@@ChrisRaynorMD - As you can imagine, I'm a gun owner too (and I'm pretty sure our politics align but even if they didn't I greatly appreciate your work). I've enjoyed your other videos as well.

@@ChrisRaynorMD All the other gun owners knew you were one of us when we saw the electronic muffs.

What ammo did you ultimately choose to carry?

@@christopherpottie8474 9mm was 115gr +p+ Federal 9bple, .40 (our main duty caliber then) was Federal 165gr HST. .223 was Federal 55gr boat tail jhp. 12 ga was Federal 00B Tactical with "Flite-Control" wads and their "low recoil" 1oz slugs. I retired and they recently went back to 9mm as primary, issuing Federal 124 HST (a fine round and I approve .. for all that matters).

He even pronounces Garand correctly, as opposed to the common "guh-RAND" everybody else says, including myself so I don't sound pretentious lol.

I have it on very high authority that a 9mm will blow your lung out of your body... 😂

666 😈😈😈

He seems upset that a tool designed to destroy what you point it at is good at what it does.

@@0meat Not at all in my opinion...

it's the weapon that caused the Nazis...who were mustard gassing soliders en masse...to demand a ban for being too "inhumane" ...

shotguns are truly the swiss army of knives for firearms. incredible the lethal effect it possesses by altering its type of ammunition.

Everyone fears the blunderbuss and its descendants! 🤪

That would be cool to see. Dr Thumb once successfully dropped out of medical school, basically making him an ascended health master and esteemed colleague.

I would LOVE to see these two do a collab series, covering in depth different type of ammo

He did say he wishes to collab with Garand Thumb

That would be awesome

I also concur, this would be cool asf

This is an amazing idea!

This!!! Please!!!!

In most standing armies the degree to which you are trained to engage in combat, combined with the likelihood of combat, both directly correlate to the level of battlefield first aid you are expected to learn. I think the average citizen who wishes to carry outside the home, should honestly be required to learn at least basic trauma aid for the very same reasons (along with training with the firearm you intend to carry...like at all). If you're having to use your firearm, you're already acknowledging that things have gone very wrong, so it's only logical that you be able to render aid to bystanders, being that you're already at the scene of the incident. When it comes to trauma wounds that aren't deadly outright, the odds of survival directly correlate to the length of time between initial wounding, and initial treatment. Now of course this is all being done after the danger has passed, at least in your vicinity. First rule of treating a battlefield casualty is to not become a casualty yourself. I'll also add that in a self defense case you still need to win over a courtroom, and nothing shows that you're not a bloodthirsty vigilante like attempting to render aid to your attacker (when conditions are deemed safe, of course).

But big mike doesn't need to collab with doctors cus he's a doctor in New Jersey 😂

Basic EMT stuff isn't all that complicated. It could/should be taught to highschoolers. We fuciing train grunts to do CLS, and that's only a week long course lol. I'm sure highschoolers could pick it up easy enough in a quarter.

What needs to be talked about it that's what's designed to do people use shotguns for hunting all the time.

Who the heck thinks a shotgun doesn't cause damage

​@@KaitouKaijumaybe people who play call of duty?

That's because RU-vid has a.... Certain belief system about certain things.....

Demonized* fixed that for you

@@LeafBoye Naw. They will take the comment down if you say that without another letter or symbol. He has the censor setting for his comment section.

@@evosolutionsllc.910 Yeah RU-vid has gotten a real authoritarian mindset the past few years

@@LeafBoye do you think dr chris learned this stuff by doing drive by shootings?

Yeah and for those metic system fans; a meter is “slightly” larger than a yard by about a tenth: 1m ~ 1.1yd

I love breaking down anything medical.

@@ChrisRaynorMD It helps that this stuff is morbidly cool to learn about

Dude it’s also a great react vid too. It’s not some recording on the browser and pause and unpause when he has something to say. It’s actually written out and it’s great.

@@wikywiky5634 very true! I love how it's like weaved into what he's talking about like he's talking to him, I lol'd.

Flannel father failed out of medical school. The Dr here came through with the staying power to get the point across

@@eltacogrande2 what did you just say lol

@@eltacogrande2 don’t you forget that does make him a licensed professional in New Jersey

I love it. It's as clinical and unbiased as it is entertaining.

Its unfortunate that this is what the mainstream news used to be. Unbiased and factual. "This is what happened. This is why it happens. End of story." People who get all their news from actual news networks are now more interested in the opinions about the things that happened, rather than the details and the context.

@@kg_canuck so very true

Yeah I liked getting "just the facts" I've never heard of him but I instantly subscribed after watching this!

"One side or the other" ...what? There is literally only one political side to this issue. The other side is literally just reality.

He did correct himself with text on screen. When he said 7 feet he overlayed a correction on screen that said "yards".

Good meme skills too.

How does self defence interact with the Hippocratic oath? Just curious

@@bruhmannoodle8983 Don't break into someone's house if you don't want free lead. Protecting your family or even yourself from an attacker is not immoral. Now if you want to try and save them after they've went down, I guess you could (for legal purposes its safer to finish them off, ghosts don't sue, and its your word against a ghost)

salute to you my friend.

@@bruhmannoodle8983 The hippocratic oath applies to patients, not combatants. An individual that breaks into my home, assaults me, or attempts to harm myself or others around me is not a patient until AFTER the threat to our lives has been neutralized. I was a Navy FMF Corpsman for 9 years. The same concepts applied in warfare as they would here in the states. If an enemy combatant attempts to do harm to me or those I am with, I am authorized to use deadly force, however, once deadly force has been applied and the threat is neutralized, if they are still living I then have an obligation to provide medical care, so long as that medical care does not needlessly compromise my safety or the safety of others.

@@bruhmannoodle8983 Doesn't it say something about shall do no harm... does that mean you let other people do harm to you? smh... Common sense is just disappearing at an alarming rate.

Though admittedly most of it comes down to: You're gunna need a miracle to exist after taking one of these. Still, it's interesting to see the extent of the injuries broken down so professionally.

Thanks Rick. Greatly appreciate your comment on so many different levels. Mike and I have been in communication and I will be trying to make an in-person collab a thing.

"practicing physician, a former swat team member, and when I was in college I worked for the coroner doing autopsies." oh, someone here is definitely making it out of the zombie apocalypse alive

Ditto

Try the Primary and secondary Modcast. Garand Thumb and a bunch of others were guests there

@@ChrisRaynorMD please do. It's important to educated the masses on the truths and fiction of ballistics so they can be informed to vote and make informed decisions. AKA "9mm will blow your lungs out." hahahahahaha

I understood penetration and hole. Speaking as an 11B

@@angry_z_rider4275 Damn, promote this man.

As a Combat Engineer, I can vouch for this PSA.

Or anyone 👍

68 whiskeys lads

he does it masterfully, in a world of fair use abuse.. he is showing how it can/should be done. not just "reacting" to someone elses content with their face on the side of the screen like soooo many do🤦‍♂️

@@jackgreenstalk777 that's not fair use of use though that's literally fair use the real problem is people abusing the dmca system on RU-vid you ready he's doing the exact same thing most commentary channels do with him it's just a doctor doing it

Its the best I've ever seen tbh

It helps when you are extremely favorable towards the source material.

Right! The way he interacts with the video is very intresting insteading of just "reviewing" he uses it in parallel to his own content in a much diffrent way than most creators. ( Hes not just staring at a screen watchig soemone else watch memes) his editing anf the way he interacts activaly with the videos and not passivly is a much better take on the reivew format and is just freaking awesome!

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As a european im just shocked how normally people shoot around weapons of this caliber which can cause these devastating lethal injuries. i have no opinion of the monetization thing im just shocked. how can you live in peace if people in the streets could point such a thing at you??

@@dudenukem1594 My brother showed me a gun the other day but I wasn't nervous of him owning a weapon that could kill me because I don't do anything to bother him. Criminals will do whatever, gun, knife, fist, it doesn't matter as they will hurt you if they want to. But most regular won't harm you unless you give them a reason to.

@@dudenukem1594 That's the entire point, anyone can be armed so therefore criminals, whether private individuals or governmental, should think twice before harming or trampling on the rights of anyone else. Words on a sign do nothing to those who do not abide by the law and punishment after the fact does not save the dead or keep people free. Additionally the statistics of gun crime are heavily manipulated by anti-gun organizations and politicians as a scare tactic, many more are killed by far more mundane things, such as car crashes, and the majority of the common "40,000 deaths per year" thrown around are actually suicides which does not speak to guns being the issue but rather mental health, something banning guns will never fix. Additionally many "mass shootings" are not such and only encorporate 1-3 deaths (and even the mass shooting with the largest body count still has 3x less deaths than when a man rented a moving truck and proceeded to run people over) and in some particularly egregious manipulations will include false calls of shootings to police to bolster the numbers, a tactic favored towards the beginning of years to over inflate the early numbers and make current events appear worse than they are. All of that is to say that unless you are actively going around attempting to rob, fight, oppress, etc the people of America or intentionally visit the parts of major cities that have high crime rates (which are where the majority of Anti-Gun legislation is in place I might add which only further proves its ineffectiveness) than you are extremely unlikely to even have one pointed at you let alone actually used. And before Europe or Canada are used as "examples of good gun control" I'd also like to point out that crime rates across Europe, in some areas more than other, are still high and frankly I'd prefer the right to defend myself with a firearm than hope that I don't run into someone with a knife, bomb, acid, *illegally owned firearm*, or any other weapon with no options but to surrender myself and hope they do not still kill me anyways (which does happen and there is even video footage from CCTV of it happening). I hope this leads you to further research into the world of firearms and perhaps even giving handling them a chance one day but I also understand if you do not, it is your choice after all, but I simply ask you do not deny others the right to defend themselves and their loved ones with the most effective tools available, after all when seconds matter the police are only minutes away.

@@dudenukem1594generally imo guns just even the playing field from your average robber and granny. usually, granny loses all their stuff in this situation, however, granny had a gun, therefore, the robber has an equal opponent.

@@dudenukem1594it is just as dangerous if everyone had a gun as if everyone had a knife, as long as all the people have the same means of damage, they all have the same “safety”

Still recovering from that IDAT video. Glad not everyone is indecent.

Still, guns bad though. Let's get this straight - I'm not saying they're not cool. Guns are cool as heck and playing with them is great fun in video games, so they're probably even more viscerally exciting in real life. However, easy access to something that can deal this kind of damage, at distance, over the course of a fraction of a second, with comparatively minimal training or skill required, is a recipe for disaster. Advocating for gun rights is similar to advocating for untrained common people piloting commercial jet liners - except with a much, much lower financial barrier for entry and much, much higher ease of operation. I could give you the numbers to back up my claims, but it's likely you've already seen them and decided to ignore the truth that while yes, guns are super cool, regular people should really not be allowed anywhere near the trigger. You know, like jets.

@@Zappygunshot The problem is that anyone can use anything to kill people. By your logic, we shouldn’t trust people with hammers and knives. The difference is that a 70 year old grandma with a knife versus a 22 year old man with a knife will lose every time. A grandma with a glock 19 versus a 22 year old with a glock 19 has somewhat of a chance. There’s also the fact that if a government becomes tyrannical, it is the civic duty of the people to dismantle it and start anew. Hard to do that without guns.

@@Zappygunshot guns are neutral at best. 2nd amendment is made to protect people from tyrannical governments or people with vicious intent. Someone who isn't physically capable against the intruder or attacker should have as much leverage against the threat whatever it may be. Tools like this aren't only meant to protect people from people. There's animals that will stop at nothing to attack the person. I'd rather have a semi automatic or fully autoatic weapon rather than a sword, bow, or bolt/lever action as advanced as they are now to defend people I love against anything that means to do us harm.

@@Zappygunshot Responding to the "thanks for not bringing up politics" comment by... Bringing up politics. Classic.

Yeah, or they go straight to the coroner and the surgeon doesn't have to mess with it.🤷‍♂

The long game target isn't the gunshot victim in this, it's the resulting effects on the medical team to inflict mental casualties within the next 5-10 years. For this I recommend 3" 00 Buck.

@@SomeNavySEALs As long as you don't have neighbors. The over penetration is very high with multiple projectiles.

There’s no such thing as a 9mm shotgun…..

@@HoldFastMarine 00 buckshot pellets are roughly 9mm in diameter (though they weigh significantly less)

He didn't exactly understand the firearm stuff. His understanding of the way the wad works was factually incorrect. It doesn't keep everything together until the moment of impact, it's not supposed to - that would defeat the purpose of the spread effect of shotgun BBs. It keeps everything together and sealed from the gunpowder explosion while in the barrel, but separation begins as soon as they exit the barrel.

@@nickdaveNDM such a minor discrepancy it doesn’t matter. He also said ‘at close ranges’ before saying that which is correct if your very close.

@@alexfonseca752 thats what i got out of it when i heard him say that, so i agree.

One of my favorite genres; “(blank) reacts to” , because you know you’re gonna learn something

@@sneedmando186 not really. Around early to mid 2010's, many black react to videos are simply a guy sit in there and watch a top rank video of the month, just to increase their subscription. it was often considered a form of plagarism.

@@williampan29 wow that really added to the conversation

Yep, this is what the internet is great for. Useful information and knowledge can quickly clump together and grow larger. Problem is, it also facilitates the growth of non-useful or harmful information too ;-) But yeah, this is good content. There are quite a few of these channels like Garand Thumb doing these sort of light-hearted but actually quite useful practical analysis of what various firearms do with human body facsimiles. It's interesting. They're trying to get hits. They buy or get donated the torsos and they do the 'science' for entertainment. I love the extra layer that Dr Chris Raynor has added to this process. Very informative, while remaining 100% entertaining.

@@williampan29 That's still the majority of react channels on Twitch unfortunately. Also I assume you meant "blank" reacts to, and not black?

Thanks! Lots of people have been telling me to pronounce his name properly. I had to send a few of them the video explaining how to say it. I am a reservist gun owner so I don’t have a problem with them. I want to present the information in a neutral manner so that I can educate people. I don’t want to cloud the info with my own opinions and unfortunately I think that many in my profession let their emotions rule their decisions when it comes to firearms.

@@ChrisRaynorMD 👏🏻

@@ChrisRaynorMD you have a particular scammer pretending to be you trying to scam people in your comments I think it's funny 🤣😂😂 I have lots of screenshots if you want

Fun fact. Garand (the man) said the rifle isn’t pronounced the same as his name. The rifle is pronounced guh-rand.

@@RCI-qb1po Thanks. I saw that. I have tried to delete them and ban this scammer but it is hard to get ahead of them.

Survival rate depends where you're shot. Heart, Spine, Brain, and you're donezo.

well be happy she said anything at! at least now she will learn what is possible so 🤘

She should have walked out. You shouldn’t carry a gun if you aren’t mentally prepared to kill someone who is attacking you or someone else.

I don't want to kill anyone either,but I will if I have to to protect myself, or others.

In the Unites States, if your heart is beating under its’ own power as you cross the threshold into the ER, you have a 98% survival rate. Big shout out to medical professionals who work tireless to undo the stupid we do to ourselves and each other. They do amazing work, but there’s so much stupid. Cheers!

YES, that would be a Great Breakdown!

He had a wound and he just stuck a thumb in it and leaned on it to create pressure to stop bleeding.

That would be awesome! 👍

He has already made a video about that.

@@SimplyTheSloth agreed

fun fact, if garand thumb did this in the UK , his gun rights would be revoked before you can scream article 7 rights ! in fact if you turned up to the range with one those dummies your fellow gun owners would call the cops and get you red flagged. No UK company that would make these belistics dummies would EVER sale them to the joe public only law enforement only as only they can be trusted and if joe public did attempt to buy police would be called

Shows you why the Germans were so pissed at Americans using shotguns in World War I. They were nicknamed the "trench sweepers" for a reason.

good catch!

Translate to meters, because me not Murican

@@teoborges3949 meters are (roughly) 10 centimeters longer than a yard, i‘ll let you do the head maths

@@panzerselfie9591 Thanks for the explanation

agreed lmfao. I already knew id never want to be hit by one, but this just confirmed it with all the brutal technicalities of how these wounds would basically all be impossible to treat unless the person is extremely lucky and gets medical attention right away, even then its a long shot. makes me confident ir would stop a home intruder tho

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But but but...I was told a 9mm will blow the lung completely out of the body!?!?

Remember seeing a video of a shotgun blowing a mans head off them thing are made to f you up

A .22lr can ki ll you in one shot at 200 metes (2 football fields).. A .380 will k i ll you at 400mts (at least)..

If this was part of Hornady’s Critical Defense line, their 12ga 00 is specified at 1600fps.

@@johns562 There is a real life test video where a 22lr can kill at 400 meters, 4 football fields.. If you dont believe me, search here.. 22lr is letal..

@@luisar5755 with a 22lr that's fairly unlikley. has to be a lucky shot

one hundo!

He got a lot wrong. His understanding of the way the wad works was factually incorrect. It doesn't keep everything together until the moment of impact, it's not supposed to - that would defeat the purpose of the spread effect of shotgun BBs. It keeps everything together and sealed from the gunpowder explosion while in the barrel, but separation begins as soon as they exit the barrel.

@@nickdaveNDM when he shows the cardboard target up close, he points out the hole from the wad, separated from the cluster hole for all the pellets, then there's no wad hole at all for the farther out targets.

@@nickdaveNDM ok sorry my bad but we all know garand thumb is reliable and I know the wad doesn’t do that I just didn’t catch that part I don’t want you to think I’m a city kid

@@nickdaveNDM "a lot" Dude got three things wrong. I love to see guys like you who, just because they know "a lot" on a certain topic, shit on others for their presentations of said topic. This guy is a doctor and knows 3x as much as you've ever learned in your entire life. Humble yourself.

I was a Marine rifleman in Viet Nam & out in the jungle & rice paddies (aka "The Bush") we had assigned to us one navy "Corpsman" per platoon that we referred to as 'Doc'. I know that was a long time ago & things change, but I'm having trouble thinking of a scenario where a "hospital corpsman" especially a female, would be 'in combat', other than on a ship that was attacked. Please clarify.

@@eugene7304 I wrote that I was not in combat. Perhaps you misunderstood me. Or maybe it's the way I wrote it. Anyway, was just stating that the Navy was where I got my first medical training. My best friend of 40 years who I knew before I joined the Navy is a Marine. Once a Marine. always a Marine. He was on a ship during Vietnam. He retired from the Corp and had a second career at the Post Office that he retired from also. The best job of my life was when I had my own clinic at WTBN, Quantico and my friend was the captain of the Rifle Team. He let me shoot at the range. I highly respect Marines because their training is the toughest of all the branches. I salute you for your hard work in Vietnam and hope you are doing well. God Bless you. 💞💖

Hooyah doc!

One of my buddies from the Infantry re-upd as an Army Doc (SOCOM) . They sent him to inner city ERs to practice on gunshot wounds.

@@jackwalker9492 that's actually insane when you think about it, outside the US is just not common to send military medical personnel to civilian ER and medical centers to get first hand gunshot wound experience.

And the only way to get an exact idea of what a round does to a human body, is to use a human body. I’d advise against that, cause that tends to bring a looot of questions you probably don’t want to answer. And it kind of gives some people a bad case of projectile vomit.

@@R0gueM I think testing on livestock such as pigs would likely be the closest non human subject. Still unethical for general training but useful for battlefield medics.

@@Valreg they use cadavers for advanced training

Correct. We need a meat target with pork pectoral, oranges to simulate lung tissue and a hi tech fleece bullet stop

@@FettermanGPT Paul.....is that you? Haha 👍 good man

Meanwhile in rainbow six siege...

Those same games have pistols shooting several times or infinitely farther than shotguns do. How is that 4” barrel doing that and with such accuracy?

@kaleb lambert too op

correct, Shotguns are mere melee weapons in games whilst pistols are equally accurate as a rifle in video games. game logic

Call of Duty be like

Thank you! Will do!

No problem. I am glad they bring back good memories for you and that you found them educational.

Welcome home

That is absolutely brutal.

Talk about overkill. But not enough to get him!

@@ghoulbuster1 probably high on something, us soldiers have experienced shooting them with 5.56 multiple times and homeboy just keeps running

Heck nah

I have heard of a handful of people that should have died as a result of a gunshot wound under normal circumstances but due to "situs inversus" their organs were not quite where they are normally (organs flipped from right to left). That being said, it is rare and I doubt it matters in most cases, especially concerning the video's content.

All of this

It has to happen!

That would be a hoot!

Completely agree, it was a great combination. Two different sources of expertise building off of each other makes for great viewing.