I used the Razor line extensively in the field and now own Swaro SLCs. The way I look at it, the Razors are 90% of the Swaros at 60% of the cost. I wanted that 10% so I paid up, but I think there's a lot of value in the mid-range group that you're dismissing.
Thanks for commenting. Gives people a different approach to think about. Me personally after having low end, mid range and top end I think it's much more cost effective to go from low end straight to the top and save the mo ey spent in the mid range. Also the technology today in the lower end line especially vortex blows the doors off mid range binos of just 10 years ago. But I can be very one sided and stubborn sometimes so it's always good to hear others experiences and what worked for them. Thanks again for posting.
There is a justification even for the most expensive binoculars (by a German biologist and bird watcher who uses his bins daily): If you'd pay 50 cent each day that you own your Swarovski glass (in his case the EL 8.5x42 for 20 years) you'll have them more than paid! (A great justification if you'd ask me!)
Enjoyed the video! And I appreciate what has worked well for you but I feel remiss not to include some other brands besides Vortex.(which i own as well) Recently have found Meopta from the Czech Rep. makes fairly decent binocs for way less than half price of the Swaros. Just got the Meostar 10x42 HD's and think they compare very well with their Austrian counterpart imho. I'll take 3 pair of Meostar hd's and give 2 pair to my grandsons for the price of one pair of Swaros thanks you sir.
yep there are a lot of great binos out there. I only have experience with swarvos, vortex, maven, Leica, and ziess so I cant hoesntly comment on them all. glad you found some that work great for you.
Porro prism are just as good, for a fraction of the price. It's just marketing. There's no astronomical Roof prism binoculars. Why? They have too much glass, which restricts light. The optics have to be so much better, for no return in performance. Plus roof prism binoculars are a flat view. Porro are 3D. Don't spend your money on marketing.
Got the Eagle Optics Golden Eagles (black Vortex Viper HDs) many years ago. As a member of a large Florida based Audubon group I've looked through all the high zoot binos and see zero need to upgrade, ever.
I agree with you I have the old vortex viper hd 8x42 super bins but most of my birding I use opticron DBA VHD 8x42 they are in another league and for my self they are a British company I’ve had the scopes for over 30 years I try to purchase British or American 🇺🇸 just to help our companies do well in a flooded market my wife uses my vortex vipers now so I doubt I will see them again haha 😅
Hey Jason, thanks for the video. I’m trying to determine if I want to drop the $ on Swaro ELs in 10x42. I’ve spend a bunch of time looking through those ‘mid range’ 1k +\- binos and couldn’t agree with you more , they don’t give you enough to justify the cost vs stuff in the 200 to 400 range. I want this glass for public land archery elk hunts out west.
If you are gonna be glassing for hours on end the els are very worth it and will cause less eye fatigue. If your situations will benefit from the higher end glass it's worth it. If you don't think they will I'm not sure I'd drop the money. They are super expensive these days and the difference between them and a pair of vortex 400 dollars ones is not a big gap anymore like it was 20 years ago.
Was going to buy a pair of leupold bx5 10x42s until I looked through them today at sportsmans. I’m a leupold guy but when comparing to the swarovskis and only costing $600 more they blew the leupolds out of the water. Comfort, broad focus range, lighting, and clarity weren’t even comparable. The leupolds felt like sharp plastic on your brow and focusing them was a chore to get perfectly dialed in even tho you couldn’t get them focused in like the swaros.
Because of special circomstances I recently was given a EL 8,5x42 by a close friend and I'm really happy about it. My EL is build -02 and there was some stuff missing like the lens covers for the front lenses, a bag and some other stuff and also the eye cups were worn. I wrote to Swarovski and they send me all the missing part and they told me that I have a 30 years warranty on the bino. I'm very amazed about the custom service that comes with a thing like this but also aware of that high end manufactors also take pride in their Product and care for it even when it's ot of their hands. I love the EL bino I have and I will use it as long as I'm able to be out in the nature. Probobly I will end up with a rifle scope from Swarovski as well now then I have seen the quality of it. I Think that I even before this used good quality optics buý having a Steiner Ranger 8x56 bino and at the moment using a Kahles Helia scope at my hunting rifle.
I like your strategy of going for either cheap or really nice. Skip the middle range. If you get a mid you will regret not buying better. If you get top you will be happy. If you get bottom you will be happy on price and the lower but good performance will be understandable. Then if you upgrade from bottom there go straight to top. If your binoculars last 16 to 30 years, the difference between 300 dollars and 3000 dollars is easily forgotten after a while. The human eye is our most sensitive organ. 50 percent of our brains are used to process visual information. It’s worth investing in nice glass that can be enjoyed every single time you use them. Plus our brains are really keen on picking out artifacts and defects because we are so tuned to processing visual information. The science of optics has not changed in a long time and recent advancements in glass type and coatings is very good. Plus lens simulation software has enabled designers to build excellent performance into a tiny package. Now is a great time to buy top quality.
Really really enjoyed this one. Thanks. I think the simplest way to break it down is, when you get to the swarovski level, the optic just disappears. It's just you and the image. No fatigue or headaches. The diamondbacks for ex while are great for the money, you can absolutely tell your looking through an optical instrument. You know there's something between you and what your looking at.
I've been a professional photographer for 25 years and I still call in abrasion. I get crap for it all the time. Juat how I always said and though of it.
I have a vortex kaibab 15 x 56, Have been considering selling them, At 20.10 time frame he starts talking about vortex, Vortex to vortex comparison, The 15 x 56 is best for low light. Verses the 18 x 56 or 20 x 56. So for me, An upgrade is the btx system, Wile keeping the kaibab 15 x 56 s
😂VICTORY HT got so high 20% Edge to Edge blurry for $3000 bino. 😂 Zeiss u are Fired. EVERYBODY is leaving Zeiss again😢 Lousy Zeiss Optic😅 very Shameful.
Mmmm not sure that’s totally true yes German Austrian bins are the best if you have the money , I am a birder I have used many binoculars I still use my Opticron DBA VHDs 8x42 bins made in Japan and are high end sensible price edge to edge pin sharp bright high end optics vision they will beat the old high end German Austrian optics hands down
You MUST get the new Swarovski CL! They’re PERFECT deer hunting binos! I got the 10x32! In friggen believeable! I am truly seeing things I’ve never seen before! I am now having more fun glassing now when I go hunting! You are a top-of-the-line deer hunting teacher and I learned so much from you but let your student tell you something - you have got to get the new Swaros!!!!
Hey man nice video, so your saying that the two Bins in front of you are 16 Y O ? they look like they could be like sales cabinet condition (credit to ya man), but i have a Swarovski 12 X 50 EL bin, they are superb , I also like that Swaro, give you a big case ! hell yeah , i have had bins in the past where you are un boxing and pulling the thing out of the supplied case, and when you have put the strap on whatnot cant it back in, i have heard this aspect from guys who have bought high end gear , (as a bird watcher) and thats kind crap , to pay so much money , and then the supplied accessories dont fit! but the absolute top end comparable size etc KOWA, stuff is neck & neck with Swaro, but yeah , Superb Video .
@tradbowpodcast That's total BS. Those old binos, while good, are not as good as the new glass coming out, look thru a new Swaro NL Pure, and you will be blown away. I guarantee you will be.
Just learning today how expensive binoculars can be. I truly had no idea that they could be as expensive as $4,000… I watched this video in its entirety. Thank you for posting this. I learned a lot. I imagine this is an expensive hobby/lifestyle. 😅
The camera you recorded this with set you back $6k? in Zimbawean dollars or what? Thank God for my Iphone. And ohh! ps, I want everybody reading this to know Roll Royce are the only car worth buying, the have great massaging seats & refrigerators, if you ain't buying Rolls Royces, you ain't buying cars, skip the middle-of-the-roads cars and just go for Rolls Royces, smh.
Never had a set of binos... Starting with bow hunting and i need to purchase my first set... DSLR photo hobbyist so I appreciate having nice glass... Is it worth getting the vortex? Or just go straight to 8x56 SLC? I can figure that the aftermarket value of the vortex is close to zero...
Definitely go with the vortex diamond back in a 8x32 or 8x40 to try first. And then if ypu need more you can buy the swarvos and let the vortex be truck binos pr something. But I don't think you will like carrying a 8x56. That's way to heavy and overkill for bow hunting in my opinion.
Swarovski spotting scopes are so good it is mind blowing. Was in Yellowstone and a nice guy let me look through his, made the ones I was looking though look really bad.
hi, thanks for the passionate clip I really enjoyed it. I'm not quite ready to invest in a pair of Swaro's, but just purchased a pair of 2 year old Kahles 8x30 lightly used (now owned by Swarovski..) at a great price for stalking in the Australian bush, have you had any experience with Kahles glass? thank you
I used to be a real tight wad and couldn't justify spending $2000-$3000 on good glass and wasted a lot of money buying cheap mediocre to sub par Chinese and low end to middle grade Japanese glass. Once I decided to treat myself to a Swarovski I realized what people such as yourself are talking about it's a whole new tenfold level in greatness compared to everything else except maybe a $1000-$1200 Kowa with fluorite glass or Meopta Air level and above.
I agree, I own Swors, Leica and Zeiss. They’re all a step above the others in my opinion. I’ve had many people tell me their high end Luepold, Vortex and so on are just as good. Sorry they’re not. I have some real old no focus Zeiss 7x50, nothing too special. Had my friends with their so called high end Bono’s trying to read letters on a water tower a ways away. They couldn’t distinguish the letters with the 10x they look through my old beat up 7x Zeiss and could read them. They were bewildered, I said that’s what real quality optics can do. And these are a couple steps below my new EL’s and Leica’s.
Well said and I completely agree. Lots of great binos out there. But nothing is going to match a pair of swarvos. Plain and simple. It is what it is. High end glass makes a difference.
If you ever go out West on a guided hunt 9 times out of 10 the guide will have Swaro’s. Sort of like you they make there living needing good glass. I agree the SLC are really close to the EL but lighter and a full view and flatter image so there is bit of a difference. I purchased 1 for myself and my nephew 10x50 EL a few years back when they were discounted Cabela’s for $1800 because of the redesign coming out. Now that price difference between the slc and el it’s definitely worth it. My much younger nephew hunts out west all the time and he soon found out his golden rings didn’t cut. Guide told him if you’re going to be hunting big country you better get some Swaros. Good video I hope people take your advice if they can afford it.
@@kross1261 you got some great deals on your els! Yep had a caribou guide tell me the same thing. Thanks again for taking the time to share your experience!
Yep the quality is in it's own league! Hate to say it but it's TRUE. In my opinion nothing comes close to swarvo glass. I make my living for the late 20 years staring thru the highest quality lenses and the difference is amazing! You got a great deal of great glass! Well done!
I would say very similar . I say that because I had to send my swarvos in last year for warranty when the focus knob started slipping and they totally refurbished everything and did all the new coatings etc. They are so much better than they where originally.
Nice video! I have the chance to buy a pair of these in 8x30 - it's the exact version you have in the video (Mark III). They are in new unused condition. I'm not shure though how much I should pay for them since I have no way of knowing their original price since they are more than 20 years old. What would you pay for a new pair of this older model? What did you pay back when you bought these?
Just a tip for people who can't afford these. Consider the percent of color difference from one binocular to another. Do you even know what that means? Do you realize the amazing ability of the brain to compensate? Does the slightest color difference between one bino and another affect the purpose of your activity? This is something to consider before you get too caught up in this game. I myself bought a mid-range pair for $400, and even that may be more due to insecurity than need. I will say there is a clear quality difference between what I purchased and my old, dark binoculars BUT EVEN THEN, I don't think that difference affects my ability to successfully use the binos for my purpose except in rather rare situations. Spend your money getting to places and enjoying them, and if new binos help you ENJOY things more, sure - you buy them. Otherwise, "you're doing it wrong".
I completely agree with all the things you have mentioned, I have had the Swarovski slc 7x42 17years my favourite thing is I don’t need to constantly use the focus wheel because everything is sharp very handy in lowlight At the time when I purchased my Swarovski I was looking at the meopta meostar b1 those were impressive especially being few hundred AUS dollars cheaper
I appreciate the point of view the price is hard to swallow but as you said the money spent on lesser quality that eventually fog or crap out could have paid for them. Just ordered 15x56 slc's and i have never even looked through a pair of swarovski
So Jason, what if I guy is just a day hunter and not someone that has the time to take off for weeks on end.....is it worth it to go with a swaro or is it just better to save the coin and go with a vortex model or something of the like?
Great question. Regardless of how long you hunt its more about what the binos need to do for you. If you are mule deer hunting and gonna glass for 8 hours Swarovski will be worth it. And some other similar situations where the binos are paramount. If you are hunting whitetails then vortex all the way and save that extra money for more vacation days!
Those are my favorite whitetail binos. I have the 7x30s but would not hesitate to get the 8x30s. Perfect size for the whitetail woods and nice and light weight
Hello, Love the video! Purchased Swarovski SLC 8x42 last year from your site. I elk hunt for several weeks every year, I am hunting big open sage mountains and love the way I could pick up elk at long distances with the new glasses, but disappointed with being able to determine size of the bulls antlers. I do not want to carry a spotting scope with me all day, Could you advise on what to go to next? Thanks, Michael
Glad you are loving the swavos! Unfortunately the only way to see farther to size up racks is to go higher magnification. A spotter or higher power binos like 15 power. Problem is both of those options require a tripod as well so weight and bulk is gonna add up. You could go to a 10 power bino and gain a little more distance. If it was me I'd keep the 8s on my chest and a light weight spotter in the pack. Id go low power spotter as well so that you can quickly pull it out and rest it against a tree to stabilize it quick. Something like 15 powerish.
Great vide with a lot of great input. I am more familiar with rifle scopes where I use Schmidt & Bender, Nightforce and US Optics ($4K-6K range scopes), but I have a lot less experience with binos where I have some older 15 years old) Steiner that I am not at all happy with for critical ling distance use, as they don’t come close to even my 30 year old US Optics, let alone my S&B’s. I have a pair of decent lower powered bino’s Leica Ultravid 8x42 HD-Plus that have good optic’s, but I’m looking for higher power binos with better low light. I am not too concerned with weight, as my typical rifle/scope weight is between 28-45 lbs (e.g 338 Lapua, 408 CT, etc, 300 Win Mag). I want to use them for my long distance shooting (1,500-3,000 yards) and I tried a friend’s Vortex HD’s that were not close to what I could resolve easily with even my worst scope at similar mag. I liked Swarovski scopes I’d eval’d but they had limited First Focal Plane options for what I needed, and I have no experience with them in the field where they need to be high durability as well. What are the best binos in your opinion regardless of price and weight (up to a point, maybe 15 lbs)? Low light, 1-2 mile high resolving power and glare/flare immunity are my most critical requirements and had been considering Fujinon 25x150 MT-SX (Mil Spec), Zeiss 20x60 S Image Stab’d or custom 20x125 Kahles that they build for military (don’t ask the price). Any input would be great-thanks!
I have zero experience with that high of power binos. In those mag levels I'd go to a spotting scope as anything you use would have to be tripod mounted anyway. For that I'd also be looking at the swarvo spotters.
I’ve owned 10x42’s, Swarovski, just like yours, and for many years, early ‘90’s I’d say. So over 30 years. You r surely right, they r wonderful glass, and rugged. Really enjoy your vids!
Believe me.....totally different concept where they have eliminated the lens stack of past designs. But how it works in the field will tell the true tale.
Now that the Swarovski NL Pure bino’s have been introduced, are you considering getting a pair of those at all? I’m sure you don’t feel like you need them, but it sure would be intriguing to try them out still.
Yeah the nl looks pretty neat. Have not seen them in person yet. But interested to check them out when I find some. You right though, I probably will not buy them. Very happy with my slc.
It's quite difficult, delicate, to try to explain what it feels like to have very high-end binoculars to people who have never experienced this type of equipment... not to mention that many people have literally shit in their eyes, and will never see the difference between binoculars at 2000€, and others at 150€ ! Lol ! I have been using Swarovski's for at least 25 years, i'm a painter, i use mainly for animal and landscape watching while trekking.... Contemplation and observation of fauna and flora... Looking through such lenses is like having taken drug, lsd, peyotl, something hallucinogenic, the vision is so extraordinary, so amazing !!!... it's an indescribable sensation that you just have to experience to understand it ! It's just as if the eyes have reached another 'level of consciousness', another level of perception !! I've often lent my binoculars to people I've met on treks, who don't know this kind of equipment, and seeing them experiencing this feeling is always pleasant and very funny... they're always flabbergasted ! ahaha !! Of course, and it's a 'little' concern, this kind of equipment is expensive, even very expensive... but as it is said, they are binoculars for life ! Thx Buddy ! nice vid' and talk !! (°v°)
No way to answer that. But I can for sure help you out and give you some things to consider once I know more about your needs and plans. Call me anytime and I can help you. My number is on the contact page of my website tbwpodcast.com.
@@ronellison1926 that's a great price on the razors and I'd probably go that way as if you ever want to sell them you will get a higher percentage back and you get better glass.
So I may be purchasing that same pair of 10x42s you have there. They are from 2003 and are in pristine condition. The guy wants $1000 which at this time is about all I can afford. Its between these or brand new Razor HD 10x50. I'm a black tail hunter and rely heavily on optics. In your expertise, should I go with swaros despite their age, over the razor? Thanks for your time, love the vids!
@@SamkoTradBow Thanks for the quick response, I'm definitely leaning towards the Swarovskis. One more question, when you said you were picking out animals before the guide and other hunters, was that recently with them having much newer binos than you?
@@BallewBlade86 That was in 2012 and the guide did not have better binos than me. He had some Nikon monarch binos. But he is a guide and his job is to spot these animals and thats what he does for 4 month a year full time. it was my first time in that environment or ever hunting javalina.
@user-kr6cw6uq4g those are amazing binos. What I did with my 10x42s from the same era (ones you see in the video) was send them to swarovski as they are lifetime warranty and had they reseal, re fill with nitrogen and they also updated all the coatings on them for me. They came back better that ever. Doing this you get the best of both worlds
Bought the SLC 8x42 last week for general purpose/wildlife/birding. Last pair at the shop and got it to a fair price. A significant upgrade from my Pentax 8x21 I bought 20 years ago :) . I also tested the NL Pure 8x42 and EL 8x32 but fell in love with the SLCs. The ergonomy of SLCs suits me better than the EL 8x32 and the EL rolling ball effect bugged me a bit when I tested them. Not sure how it would have been in the long run. and the NL pure was really not an option for over double the cost the SLCs...
I have not tried those mavens but did review these 7x30s last year. Excellent binos especially for the money. I can't say anything negative about maven. I would own mavens in a heart beat if I needed new binos.
I have seen the ones you have in this video for sale like ebay and other places do you recommend buying the ones you have or the latest version of SLC line?
No dought the new ones are better. Quite a bit better with the new coatings and technology in the new ones. Mine are still amazing. But the new ones are worth it if you can swing the price.
I use and love the diamondback HD for my pig hunts. Love them. The crossfire are excellent for the money. Excellent. But I think the diamondback line with the new HD series is the better buy quality for price. There are many many many people we call glass snobs that flood the internet with crap. For my eyes and uses hunting vortex makes excellent binos and scopes. This coming for a guy that has been a professional photographer for 25 years with 40 grand in high end lenses as well as 2 pairs of swarvowskis. I highly recommend the vortex for the money!
Have checked them out at cabelas but no in field experience with the victories. Look good and feel solid and by a great company. But that's my only experience personally.
Affordable is relative to a persons income, for most people in the world, even though over time binoculars can pay for themselves, could never shell out the dough for these. Binoculars can last for as long as you look after them, i know someone uses Hama binoculars that are older than me, built like a tank with no coatings and give clear views, i am not saying people should buy them if they see them just that value isn't always linear. Your video is informative, i just hope it doesn't scare off people who want to take up binocular viewing but decide not too because they can't afford equipment that some of us are lucky enough to own due to our accidental birth place that gave us an advantage in life to reach a position where we can own equipment that's not what some optic snobs call junk.
I currently own a pair of 8x42 Vortex Diamondbacks. They were the first pair that I ever purchased 3 years ago for bowhunting Whitetail. I was glad to hear you recommend them. Thanks for making my choices easy when I'm ready to upgrade Jason.
Vortex binos are amazing for the money! like i said in the video I think a person would be better off using a pair of vortex and never upgrading until they went to a swarovski, rather than climb thru the different mid priced binos upgrading until they got to the swarovski. If I did not have the money to buy the swarvos I would be using vortex.
Traditional Bowhunting And Wilderness Podcast I see you have both the Diamondback and Viper 10x42’s listed in your links. Which would you suggest I go with if I can’t afford the Swaro?
@@mikehutchings7604 I know it's been a year, but in case you are still wondering, go with the diamondback HD. I have both the diamondback HD 10x42 and the Viper HD 10x42. The Viper HD are not worth the 150% increase in price over the Dimondback HD. I actually have more problem with reflections on my Vipers than the Diamondbacks. I'm returning them, and seriously considering buying the Razor UHD 8x42
Jason just to be clear, what is your preferred magnification for hunting in the Northeast? I don't intend to go out west, but currently the Swarovski ELs are on sale, and I'm really torn between the 8.5s or the 10s
I'd go 8.5s out of those choices. 8 or 8.5 is a perfect 90% of all hunting situations unless out west where its wide open. I have 10s and seldom use them. Much prefer the 7 or 8s I have for every place I hunt.
I have been hunting since age 12 I became somewhat obsessed with optics when I first began hunting as an adult some 35 years ago. Was the first among my hunting friends back in 1991 to realize the importance that binoculars were to my success as a hunter and accordingly was the first among my friends to buy a pair of as high quality of binoculars as I could afford back in 1991 I bought 100% made in Japan for Lepold Wind River binoculars which featured all air to lens surfaces being fully multi coated with BK4 prisms magnizum rubber armored body and otherwise all metal construction Learned about what makes for a good bino and scope and what factors and technologies separate the cheap from the good from the very good from the best. Things like what the difference between and what it means to optimal optical performance that coated multi coated and fully multi coated lenses BK4 prisms Abi-konig and Schmit-pectin prisms etc etc make in hunting optics. What I finally have concluded that today's binoculars have gotten so good in the $1k to under $1.5k binoculars they will give you about 95% the same level of performance as binoculars costing 2-2.3× as much or well over $2k We as sportsmen and shooters live in the best possible times as far as great affordable optics are concerned. Anyone who thinks a rifle scope costing $1.5k-$3k+ is just price gouging is exposing thier complete ignorance of just how hard and complicated it is to manufacture a 100% reliable and bomb proof durable Tactical scope with superb optical qualities like those made by Schmit and Bender, Khales or Stiner just to name a few of many. As I am VERY fond of saying the best pair of under $1k binoculars are a very gently used $2k binoculars Having said that my next and likely last pair of binoculars are going to be a used LNIB Maven B2 9x45 binoculars once I finally find a pair
Doesn't Maven have that loner program...or rather test run for a small fee? I wonder if any of those returned binos go up for sale by them as "slightly used"? I with you on alot of your points...I own Steiner scopes, a S&B and a number of other high mid range scopes. That said, I have tried a number of binos, of those I kept a pair of Steiners as loaners for people who I take out hunting, that are newer to the sport or may not have alot of gear. But at age 40 (when my eyes started doing the "age 40 eye thing") I bought Swarovski 10×42's and kicked myself for not doing it years before. It's one think to look through them in the store. Get them in the woods and you can take brush apart! I absolutely love slow rolling the focus knob on clumps of brush, making it like your slowly walking through it. I have located way more animals doing that than I would have ever imagined before getting the Swaros! Anyhow, hood luck on those Mavens...I've heard good things about them.
Never used the cl line. They are probably really good as well. But I dont like the thinner hinge design. I like the more robust design of the slc. Me personally I'd go with the vortex until I saved enough money to get the slc. Keep in mind not every needs or will benefit from having Swarovski or other top shelf binos. And for most the vortex will be amazing. But when you find yourself needing more out of you binos then it's time to seriously consider the swarvos.
Does anybody else hear "chromatic abrasion" instead of "chromatic aberration"? This reminds me of how I belong to the group of people who mispronounce "mirror" as "meerr". I know how to pronounce the word properly, but I naturally say it the other way anyway. :-b
Since I can't afford the Swaro and you are suggesting two different Vortex, which would you say I should go with??? The Diamondbacks are half the price of the Vipers. I can do the price of the Viper, but how much difference do you think that will be? I don't really care to spend the extra $$ if there won't be much difference.
The diamondbacks are amazing for the price. So are the vipers. But if you dont want to spend the money on the vipers the Diamondbacks will do everything you want and you will be happy with them. Plus once you start using the diamondbacks and realize what a valuable tool they are you may want better. That path leads to buying multiple pairs until you get to swarvo, zeiss, leica, etc. Its much smarter to save money now and have that extra money to upgrade later.
No worries.Wish I could afford Swarovskis.The first time I tested one in the 80's it was like someone was shining a floodlight on what I was looking at!
That's exactly what I'm trying to say. Once you use that high end stuff you just stop caring about the details, coatings, flattening tech, etc. All that matters is they are the best optics you have ever used and from that moment on you stop researching and only buy top end glass and never worry about it again. Completely understand about the price. Those vortex are pretty dang impressive for the money as well.
Don't know of many 7 powers today other than maven. I'm sure there are some but I jave not tried them. The mavens are great. Seems like 8 is the most common lower power option these days
Yes, Leica makes the Ultravid Plus 7x42. I was looking for a smaller pair to compliment my 10x42 Swaro for white tail hunting and birding. Not sure what to go with as far as Swaro 8x 42 SLC or Leica 8x32 HD plus
8x42 unless you are using in very open areas all the time. 8 power is easy ro hand hold even with one hand without much shake, have great field of view and do 99% of everything you need. Only time I ever use my 10x is when im hunting desert or mtn areas.
Nobody pays me anything. Zero sponsors so I can be unbiased. And in my unbiased opinion you are correct. I would never spend 1000 on binos or 500. I would buy the 200 vortex diamond backs and then save money until I could go right to swarvos. 600 binos are not 3 times better than vortex dbs. And 1000 binos are not anywhere near swarvos. Again its all my opinion. And its my job to give that opion to hopefully help others.
Is it advisable when going from an 8-power to a 10-power, to run larger objective lens diameters for the lower light condition performance? Such as 8x42, and 10x56? I've heard the 10 power are nearly as great during daylight hours but under low-light circumstances, the 8 power in the 42 work better due to the exit pupil size more optimized to the eye's pupil size in low light. If you could explain some of this, I thank you!
you are correct. based on your age and eyes we all have a pupil max light gathering or exit pupil number. the goal to get maximum light gathering is to match that number or be close to it. Its worth reading about. But in general simple terms the bigger the objective lens the more light gathering. the higher the power the more that power reduces the exit pupil number and light gathering capabilities. so you are correct a 10x56 will be brighter in low light than a 10x42. A 8x42 will gather more light than a 8x32. the higher the power while giving more magnification has the disadvantages of more shake when hand holding and less field of view. everything is a trade off. in my opinion 8x42 is about the best do it all size from whats available today. but there are specific situations that other sizes will excel.
@@exothermal.sprocket just recorded a video comparing 8 power vs 10 power binos and the differences. It wont publish for a few weeks but if you send me an email jason@tbwpodcast.com I will send you a link to the unlisted video once I have it edited and uploaded in a couple days.
I'm looking at purchasing a razor vortex 10 by 50 uhd or looking at purchasing slc Swarovski 10by 42 not sure what way to go. My dad has a pair of Swarovski probably 10 year old and still loves them. My question is is the vortex uhd as good as swarovski or I don't know much about zieus I look for a high quality set of binoculars. Without spending over 3 grand
Yes. Bit also cost more. Vortex are great. Buy Swarovski is top shelf. Kind of like comparing Ford mustang with a Ferrari. Both are great but on different levels.
Because I have not had to talk about that factor in years I simply mis spoke. When you spend 25 years only using the highest quality pro grade lenses , binos, etc. You simply dont ever think about the stuff that you dont have to worry about anymore. All of the specs, details, features are all pointless when you are already using the best stuff there is. It's like all my camera lenses. You research test buy use and pay attention to all the features and capabilities. Then you quickly realize that the canon "L" lenses are the only ones you like and they have the best quality pics overall. So you stop researching and just always buy canon L series lenses from now on and forget about everything else.
"Chromatic abrasion??" "Chromatic distortion??" "harmonically / hermetricly sealed??" WTF! You are NOT a professional, but I liked the video anyway! 1.) The ELs are about 50% more than the SLCs, not twice as expensive. 2.) Field flattening does not correct the chromatic aberration (CA). 3.) The CA is is a separate correction done with more lenses; 4.) CA is caused by the curvature of the lenses, not the prisms. 5.) Swarovski has a TEN (10) year warranty, not lifetime on the SLCs! You shouldn't use words and concepts that you know nothing about - it makes you look like a fool!
Well said. But actually I am a professional photographer and know the difference between good glass and not good glass. Just been 20 years since I had to use the terminology. Once I stopped comparing glass and just bought the best I stopped caring or researching. My slc binos have lifetime warranty but they are both 15 years old. Honestly I glanced at the specs for these when I did the video, but didnt dive to deep. None of it matters! The slcs have always been the best quality glass for your money. I still believe that today as well. But you are correct I should of paid better attention to detail in the specs for those that are interested. Thanks for putting the explanations on here.
@@SamkoTradBow Hi again, Jason! Thank you for not taking offense at my comments, which were made when I was tired - and grumpy! I have to admit that the one time I looked through a pair of Swarovski binoculars, I almost fell over in the optical store! Their image is like you are NOT looking through a pair of binocs, that's how good they are! But at $1200+ (~1995 price) I could not justify the cost. I have talked to one owner who said she had to return her SLCs because she had dropped them and smashed an objective lens. Swarovski did not fix her old pair - they shipped her a new pair instead! Bullet proof warranty back then! They may have decreased their warranty because of competing Asian glass, which can also be good glass. I don't know if I would call ~$1800 USD as affordable, considering the good Asian glass that is presently on the market. Thanks for putting the links to the Vortex glass on your website and creating an technically excellent video.
The ELs are just not worth the cost in my opinion. The SLC line is flawless and priced right. The ELs are very nice. But NOT a noticeable difference for what we do and the cost difference is huge. Im sure there are groups of people that can get the extra benefit from the EL line but im not one of them...lol
Traditional Bowhunting And Wilderness Podcast my comment was just to correct you . You said SLCs have field flattening technology but in reality they don’t
Thank you for pointing it out. I didnt know they didnt have that. In an article I read about the SLCS it talked about field flattening. I dont know alot about all that internal stuff other than what I researched for the video. But I do know from having slcs for the last 15 years they are the best binos I have ever used. The els are also great. Have a hunting buddy that bought 10x els. then a week later bought 8x slcs. he returned the els and bought slc 10s and put the extra money saved towards a spotter. I had a chance to check out those els in the field right next to my 15 year old slc 10s. could not fo the life of me see any diffence. But the cost is huge difference.
Traditional Bowhunting And Wilderness Podcast yes because of lesser lens elements the light transmission is high in SLCs with better depth of view or so called 3D image
How many readers use contact lenses or eyeglasses? If you lack near-perfect vision even with your eyeglasses or contacts, maybe a near-perfect set of binoculars does not make sense.
Disagree with this. Make no mistake about it. The advantages to quality binos ranges across all spectrums and all people. But if someone cant afford them then definitely dont buy them. But if you can afford them the advantages are huge. I know, I live my life thru a lens for my career. The difference in ok glass vs great glass is tremendous. But only worth it if you can afford it.
I have experience using Bushnell Legend series Binoculars the Legend M or Legend L in particular . They have pretty good glass for the money and from my guess all the Bushnell Forge is an updated version of the Engage and Legend M series binoculars from what I have gathered. The biggest reason I went for the Legend Binoculars was mainly the Hydrophobic coating called Rainguard . This coating creates a surface on the lenses that's so smooth that causes water droplets to bead up and roll off the lenses. I know that the Forge binoculars have an updated version of Rainguard called EXO- Barrier that's supposed to be even better than Rainguard . Hopefully that somewhat helps on the Bushnell Forge binoculars.
