Why are there so many strip malls? 

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Not only Scarborough, it is same in Markham, Richmond hill, and maybe all other suburban GTA cities. I guess thats how small business and community centric business survive in a car dependent society.

Stfu car hater

My biggest problem with seeing strip malls is *how do you retrofit them/fix them?* I cant wrap my mind around fixing these especially when they're connected to a stroad. *perhaps make a video about this please* Either you, climate town, or city beautiful

The mall I live next to is massive but have no parking garages and the mall still covers over half of the property though that’s probably because of the bus station which is used for the workers and your buses.

One giant transcontinental commercial cesspool

My first thought when I saw the title.

Caused by laziness?

@@LordManhattan urban sprawl really more than anything. I'd flock pretty quickly to any city that has large pedestrian only zones, or pedestrian + things like cable/street cars or something

@@Inquiring that is also a quote by George Carlin

Yes, why wasn't the environmental impact mentioned? It usually is!

MUH urban sprawl

Strong Towns has a *great* article about exactly this (one strip mall opening near another one that's abandoned): www.strongtowns.org/journal/2020/5/26/zombie-companies-in-a-zombie-economy Effectively, when credit is so cheap and easily available, any developer can get credit to open a strip mall.

@@NotJustBikes Comparing the car oriented american urbanism with what you have in the Netherlands, I suppose ?

@@NotJustBikes Just wanted to say I love your videos.

Youre not alone.

I really hate them

"American culture", good joke ;) Just kidding, but as a Yurpean I find these fascinating and horrifying. The homogeneity, it just freaks me out a bit. Connecticut? California? I don't know, it's all the same stores/building/cars/parking. Very weird to me.

I would say the small ones are nice. But when they haven't been maintained and still have rotted out wood from the 1970s they are a major eyesore.

Yeah, this video seemed weirdly positive of them. Efficient? What?

As someone in the US that seems like such a better system and I am very jealous

@@lunamcgrath3266 it only works in big cities. In small towns you are lost without a car. When I moved to Munich I get rid of the money wasting, unpractical, poluting car

As someone who has always lived in what you might as well call Urban Sprawl City, I always wondered how people in big cities with no cars went grocery shopping or something like. I'm used to having cars as a way of transporting all the groceries, often to much for someone to carry on their own. I'm assuming they don't shop nearly as much all at once or perhaps get a taxi or Uber or something.

@Untergrundmaschine Mühldorf, Bayern. The drivers are dick heads and the buses don't go everywhere and the frecuency is terrible. And before I was living in Mettenheim, a village it was a pain in the ass to live there with only 1 car for 2 people with diferent needs and times. I pay much more in rent but the life quality is much better in the big city

@Untergrundmaschine I'd have to go and check it out after corona :D

Yeah your talking about Florida

Florida city planners only know how to build pockets of houses and strip malls.

Personally I think that people should be taxed (according to their income) for driving in dense megacities unless they are disabled or something like a delivery vehicle. If it's not necessary to become metal majesty, you ride a bike and take the train.

@@blitzn00dle50 People would just claim disability and find loopholes if this was the case, even if you could design systems to report it, people would be angered at this system enough to not bother report their friends and family doing this and it would lead to lengthy expensive legal battles that would clog up the justice system. It would probably end up becoming like medical marijuana, bootlegging (in the prohibition era) or stealing movies on the internet. Illegal and abused, but ignored by authorities. It would hurt lower income communities living far away from workplaces more too, to them driving a car is not being "majesty" at all, it's absolutely necessary even with trains that would have capacity problems if this was a serious initiative. If that many people were forced on bikes there would be a lot of accidents too. At least if you crash your car you have airbags and seatbelt, if you're texting on your phone while riding a bike and a truck plows into you, then there is little you can do really. Train infrastructure isn't there, and even in cities with it there is still a lot of traffic, see Tokyo.

@@LetsGoGetThem I also think wealthy business districts and poor neighborhoods should be close to each other so most people barely have to ride 5 kilometers to their workplace. If the rich people weren't allowed to just move their mansions away from the affordable apartment blocks maybe it would also give both classes exposure to each other so they'd both end up hating each other less. The trains would be used by people who live pretty far from their job or just to get downtown. It sounds unrealistic in a society where the rich do whatever they want, but maybe in a country that doesn't actively try to make its ghettos worse the upper middle class would be fine with having a large source of employees near all of their businesses. As for disability fraud, people might have to carry around government issued cards when driving that prove they are disabled or have kids under 7 or something, and maybe each one can have a different ID that's entered into your annual taxes to exempt you from the big city driving tax. Those with fraudulent IDs would be fined pretty hard, but again that would scale up by income, which would result in fines of 100 bucks for the people who would be harshly affected by a higher fine and millions of dollars for those who can afford it. This would probably be a lot more feasible if the city in question had bicycle infrastructure like Amsterdam. Also if you're texting while biking and die that's on you bruv. A system like this most likely won't be necessary outside of Africa but cars are already on their way out as people start to realize how destructive they've been to cities.

@@blitzn00dle50 People find jobs far away from them that they qualify for. Requiring an ever expanding workforce to live in forced accomodations close to their work with other people of means who wouldn't want to live in these accommodations anyways and would have to be forced into these conditions is an absurd notion that has no basis in reality. It's nice to dream about, but it's not the condition. If the tax was intended to mass prohibit the usage of the car, the train and public transport system would be over encumbered very quickly. Even in places with great and cheap transport has a lot of traffic as said earlier. The ideal should be to reduce traffic, but not abolish it. People are ideally charged hard with fines regarding fraud regarding other things as well, it just so happens if the system is overwhelmed with them that it ends up either being ignored or unenforced. It becomes an unenforceable law when it hits the mass people, it's not simply people wanting to screw the system to get a disability parking space, it will hit the masses like if every parking space was a disability parking space, whenever such things happen it's a recipe for disaster, like say, prohibition. That people will fraud themselves to be disabled or ignore this law in any way is a guarantee because it is not a privilege to be able to drive a car, it's a necessity for the lower middle and poor classes to live, and a privilege not having to do so. It's not simply work place, but having to transport families around and other things that is necessary to the quality of life. There's better way of combating traffic and pollution that doesn't involve forcing another tax upon a strained working class. Car pooling, electric cars and (future) self driving taxis. Bike lane expansion, etc. The rerouting of traffic and creation of trafficless streets. An expansion and promotion of public transport that ideally would be close to free, but not enforced usage. You really don't need to effectively pressure the working class to drop the car to do this, make more lanes in different sectors available. This measure already exists in America anyways and is similar to the car tax which is present in several places depending on the state or province, an annual car tax, it's not a new idea but it's not a solution.

@@LetsGoGetThem you're making long unconvincing post defending car culture People will cheat for sure. But not all of them. So it'll still reduce cars

Well, at least there's no waiting for a changing room.

Alright then

It's ok I thought something similar, I thought it was like a mall of strip clubs or something.

Exhibitionist mall? Yes.

Yes, we sell clothes here, but don't you dare come in wearing any! Excuse me. Hey! Sir! Sir! Your hat! Take it off! Show some decency! This is a family establishment!

Alongside sprawling, soulless suburbs, strip malls symbolize everything wrong with American urban planning

Hehe, I honestly never thought about how big in American culture it is because it's so common, but it's so so awesome too because we can park in one place and pass through multiple stores at a time

@@zkittlezthabanditt604 As an American who lives in a more urban walkable area I can't stand strip malls. They helped destroy the charming mains streets and commercial villages we centered neighborhoods around before the automobile became the sole focus of city planning.

Consider yourself lucky. Not only are they a contributor to urban sprawl, but they are only acessible by vechile alienating people without cars.

@@josheydubs Uh... wym

That venn diagram is America though for many decades cars convenience and capitalism were all that mattered, still is to some degree.

They're much more efficient than the typical American choice of a power center full of big-box stores. It's a low bar to cross, but strip malls are definitely preferable to power centers

@ Just get rid of those stupid mandatory parking minimums.

@ It would be a good idea, if not for the bizarre fetish the US has for zoning laws. Sure, nobody wants to live next to a soot-spewing factory, but I have never understood why commercial and residential can't be mixed (it works perfectly well in grandfathered-in areas) and it would reduce the reliance on having to have an automobile. I may just have been watching too much "Not Just Bikes" though. :-)

@@crispoman There is almost nothing that prevents a developer with money from getting approval for "mixed use". It just doesn't sell in places where there is ample room to build apartments and houses away from commercial traffic. Existing single family residential areas are really the only developments that get stuck being what they are.

In Hong Kong a striking majority of our buildings are like shophouses, but instead of just a house on top it’s around 3-4 storeys of flats, probably only 1 per floor. It’s in these old buildings that a lot of our small businesses are, but they have extremely high foot traffic.

Immigrant business will move to wherever the rent is cheap.

Just thinking about one of the strips malls closest to me, it has: medical clinics, restaurants (casual and sit-down), a credit union, a pet shop, a gym, and military recruitment offices. So I agree with Snarky, they'll be around for whatever needs a physical space to operate.

I personally don't think so, I guess there'll be some cutback, but I think most of it's gonna be left for restaurants and bigger stores, and things like dollar tree if you catch my drift

Hey Mr.Beat :D

I definitely agree with others responses. Most likely the only way strip malls would truly disappear is with a change in policy and infrastructure in the US that shift cities to be less car oriented. I doubt that will happen any time soon on a mass scale.

I feel like strip malls aren’t competing with online retail so they’re probably gonna be okay. Stuff like nail salons, tax services, ice cream shops, etc.

Right? My ears perked at that new word.

The fact that he called that an entablature is hilarious, just google it and you'll see what I mean.... Only a North American could assign such a word to a strip mall hahaha

That sounds like such a mission! Though. . it may be a lonely pursuit. . I wish you the best, friend!

They should be better designed for truck deliveries!!!

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That's the point. If the aliens attack, they won't bother destroying the US because everything is so spread out. Their ordinance would be far better spent bombing densely packed Asian, African, South American, and European population centers.

@@deus_ex_machina_ North East corridor of the US is packed with people. From Boston all the way down to DC. Aliens wouldn't ignore that, hehe

Still better than malls and big boxes, If you look at a strip mall, it has more characteristics of a good urban main street than other suburban auto oriented retail

no, they haven't

I do wish there were more walking neighborhoods, but we do have to admit the strip malls pay more in property taxes and help subsidize those that live in the suburb. The commercial areas tend to do that. I think the vast areas of single family houses are the bigger problem, because all of the houses are the same. If those that owned single family houses would plant more trees instead of worrying about grass, then I would be more lenient. Some communities are starting to realize the benefits to multi-family housing and encouraging more duplexes, apartments, condos, and townhomes.

Well i think it's a nice part of American culture, and if you make them correctly, their quite nice in my opinion

Yes. It's weird that this wasn't mentioned. Nor the environmental impact of stores that require car ownership in order to access them.

@@gavinathling Oh boy.. So, even if America took out ALL of our factories, burning services, etc. and CARS, we would only get rid of ONE HUNDRETH OF A DEGREE [1/100], so we hardly cause any damage at all, it's places like China and other developing countries that produce the mass amounts of CO2, so Cars don't make much of an impact AT ALL, as I said, it's the factories in China doing most of the work, and I'm not saying this out of opinion because I used to think of cars the same way, but after I saw a bunch of these studies released, they said that it's almost completely developing countries and factories.

@@zkittlezthabanditt604 wow chill

@@notcarrotnose258 Lol

Yes!

Yes but watch the California residence will not want it. They never do they always build low Residential

That's what happening in Canada. Many strip malls (and even shopping malls) are getting converted into condos with shops on ground floor.

@@joaquinjr2570 you get that all over the USA, nobody wants housing built unless its ultra lux condos. They will attack affordable housing plans at any city council meeting, Of course they still want their strip malls employed by people at low wages so they can have low low prices.

David Kearns you’re correct

In the UK, most major airports (especially Heathrow and Gatwick are very well connected by public transport so if someone tells you it can't be done, they're wrong)

Agree with you completely. I don’t drive and I hate how USA plans everything for the car first and foremost.

And let the new immigrants business or new entrepreneur burn too?

@@LastBastion H Y P E R B O L E

@@LastBastion Obviously not. Why don’t you put them on the ground floor of taller buildings? In fact, why don’t american cities even have tall buildings at all? From what I’ve seen in movies, your cities are like 5 tall-ish buildings and then suburban sprawl everywhere around it. Can someone explain why?

In Australian cities like Sydney It goes city (cbd), inner city terrace suburbs, (ex) street car/tram suburbia, train suburbia, car suburbia. We've got all kinds (trams have been replaced with buses though).

Very true !

Which they could do with a garage, or even an underground one if they think that will look too unsightly

@@OatmealTheCrazy It's typically between 5-10x more expensive to build a garage parking spot than a surface lot.

@@Default78334 uh, duh?

@@OatmealTheCrazy Yes, which is why they don't build that second story...

@@Default78334 just because it's more expressive doesn't mean they can't be a worthwhile investment.

Depends what you're measduring the efficiency of. Land-usage wise it's pretty bad (though it doesn't look too bad in most cases when you consider how the alternatives usually go), but in terms of customer throughput wise it's actually pretty good.

You consider that an ocean of tarmac? As pointed out in the video, the parking lots are actually pretty small compared to popular alternatives. And the examples in the video were pretty sizable, I've seen many a strip mall with just three dense rows of spaces down the length.

@@octorokpie How about one row? www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5732339,-3.0123282,123m/data=!3m1!1e3

@@octorokpie alternatives often have underground parking, resulting in a land usage ratio considerably higher than 1:4, hence reducing the visible ocean of tarmac

It is the most efficient of all of the Auto Oriented options, still less efficient than a main street in an urban area.

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Modern day land developers do not accept cross access arrangements very much. People buy huge chunks of land and waste it.

Turn right and use the controlled intersections to get back to where you are going.

@@swinde Right in-right out entrances are gay. I always go left.

Seems like a long low grade ramp could easily be installed behind the building circling around to stop at the front so it is easy to access from the street.

@@garethbaus5471 the name of the game is profit.

Ah, zoning, the bane of US efficient urbanism.

@@barvdw Zoning is a fringe issue. Populism led to governments subsidizing the shit out of road infrastructure and real estate debt that skews the market away from higher density development. Almost all "zones" are created on vacant, soon to be developed land because that is what the private developer is trying to get approval for. Apartment buildings, commercial, and industrial property zoning changes quite often to get redeveloped.

@@MilwaukeeF40C I wouldn't call it fringe, but it's certainly political. And yes, not the only reason why it's so hard to build mixed neighbourhoods in North America, it's single family or big condo, and very little in between.

@@barvdw Planning commercial locations in the middle of new housing developments, away from main roads, just isn't done regardless of zoning. Potential store investors want to be where the traffic is, with more than a small neighborhood-only customer base. The nearest houses would also automatically have a slightly lower value. The last things that still get put in the middle of house lots are elementary schools and parks. It has been fashion for over half a century to put everything else on the edge of new neighborhoods, along the arterial roads that were there when it was still farmland or woods. New arterial roads rarely get built either (developers would have to "dedicate" the land for them), the local governments just widen the old ones.

@@MilwaukeeF40C isn't that the point? That developers only see car traffic as 'traffic' and potential buyers? And to be honest, in a North American context, that might even be correct in most cases, but it's a reinforcing loop, there are no shops you can walk to, so you take a car, so there are no shops you can walk to... There's the opposite, too, in stead of bringing shops closer to homes ("I don't want a stinking shop opposite my house, those deliveries make too much noise."), you could bring homes closer to shops, too. Why not build apartments on top of those shops? Quite often, because it's not allowed. Or because the demands are too onerous because of mandatory parking requirements and such.

More like "wait, this isn't a shopping centre with strippers?"

Hold my beer.

God bless

@@BrianHatfieldSeattle You're too lazy to hold your own?

other people: can Americans get more inventive, innovative, hardworking, resourceful, adventurous, entrepreneurial, generous ...? Americans: Yes

A century is to blame for people not wanting to spend time outside shopping? Okay. I thought it was, y'know, the sun. Rain. Snow. Bugs. Noise. The smell......

and free babbysitting services.

Maybe they'll cash checks too? But only for games, Check into Games instead of Check into Cash

I always leave GameStop with perfectly tanned nails.

Why are you people so against Cars and accommodating cars, seriously, why?!??! I want to love Density and Biking and stuff, I do, but why do all of the Urban Development channels and supporters keep shitting on what I do. The condescending attitude to how a lot of people live has to stop if you're ever going to change people's mind.

@@coastaku1954 Road infrastructure is much, much more expensive per capita on maintenance. Suburbs don't really make any money because of that, afaik. It all gets sucked out by repairing their 30% land coverage of tarmac. Not to mention, needing 2 or 3 cars per family is expensive. Like 8000 bucks a year for each extra car or something crazy like that, between fuel costs and such.

@@coastaku1954 Im pretty sure they dont like Depending of a car to get to point A to B.

@@TheStarswearee I know people who really don’t mind it

@@coastaku1954 and we know people who do. Well, what would you like to say on that?

I would love to make huge brutal art in the middle of a parking lot but there really isn't anything already there to work with. I just remembered I used to walk a parking for 4 hours a night as security for a restaurant and it was very boring. I made my own fun, but it was still incredibly uneventful.

@@chaotickreg7024 Theres room for all manner of things in a strip mall parking lot, all it takes is the will of the owner and a little imagination (and capital investment). I hope City Beautiful does a video on replacing strip mall parking lots with mixed-use town square style developments.

Enclosed Malls, Office Parks and Big Boxes are even more depressing. Strip malls remind me of ugly urban main streets with some parking which as far as asthetics goes, does kinda suck, but for practicalities sake, it is actually quite good, and very accessible.

@@linuxman7777 Yuck, office parks. I wish they were at least good for skateboarding or something. Big boxes are even worse.

@@chaotickreg7024 A strip mall in Berwyn, Illinois was once known for some notable outdoor artwork in the parking lot and a unique McDonald's.

we do have something like strip malls. Here in the Netherlands a lot of neighbourhoods do have a little shopping area. often with two supermarkets (one brand supermarket one discount (Aldi/Lidl) a few smaller shops (a flowershop, barber, pharmacy, a clothing shop, a baker) a pub and or fastfood joint and a ATM. The real big difference is that in between the parking lot and the shop there will be a footpath big enough to walk on comfortingly and have enough space for a few bicycle stands. how ever the are not really being seen as a competition to the shops in the city centre as the shops in the centre are way more diverse.

We have something very similar in the UK called ‘Retail Parks’ where the format is the same apart from their entrance. Retail parks tend to have their own roundabout exit instead of a simple off ramp at the side of the road unless they’re on the outskirts of a city.

I have the same. The documentary doesn't even explain what is it.

@@sirBrouwer I would still say they are different as they are located in residential areas, usually has a flat above the ground floor shops and are mostly used by people walking or biking there. They don't cater to passing car traffic, but to people living next door.

@@kattkatt744 but they still can look very samy. It's our version of a shopping block. The biggest diffrence is the diffrend fasade for the buildings.

Your not wrong. I can't stand when stores here in the USA have parking lots that are so huge that after a while they just turn into a desert of pavement that slowly turns back into gravel. On the bright side, the city I live in is finally starting to make better use of those spaces. I think strip malls are only nice if they are modest in size. That way they are inviting and within walking distance but down crowd out a huge parcel of land that could be zoned for other uses.

There could be small improvements, like mandatory sidewalks along the storefronts that are publicly accessible, and perhaps office space or even apartments on second storey, with parking behind the lot as to not compete for parking with shoppers. It's not going to win a beauty contest, but strip malls can be made more pedestrian friendly, and thus more lively.

@@Napsteraspx Me too, I have seen some malls in the Vancouver area and parts of Ontario make indoor malls more of a pleasant such as adding housing, small park spaces and offices to property. Therefore, making use of the pointless large parking lot.

@Adi Odjidja You can look at the few strip malls the UK has on Google Maps and find out. Generally several of the following: A takeaway pizza place (Dominos/Papa John's), a sandwich/baked goods shop, a tanning salon, a small bathroom/kitchen/furniture showroom, a bookies, some kind of medical establishment like a doctor's surgery, dentist, optician, or vets, and maybe a small cafe or greasy spoon. There's also what I like to call "industrial" strip malls that have shops like Screwfix and lumber merchants.

😂😂😂😂😂.....what a lie.... many European cities does not allow construction of skyscrapers 😂😂😂😂....this comment section is just a bunch of Europeans and self hating Americans bashing America for something found in all countries

That makes sense

Definitely driven down one of those strip mall frontage roads the wrong way before.

Restaurants are often in strip malls too

Lot of people in this country

I hate parking islands around each restaurant. That is so stupid

Americans do lol

@@odemata87 That's definitely not the answer. I did a quick poll of the small US city in which I live, and compared it to a large UK town ("city" has a specific meaning in the UK) with the same population. The number of shops in the US city (Manchester NH) was way more than even a larger city (Brighton, England). Americans seem to buy more, and are more willing to drive to stores to do that shopping. I didn't do a similar survey with French locations, but my feeling is that the French are even less willing to drive to shop than the Brits.

Also I've noticed that property values are much higher near a thriving main street business district than they are near a strip mall. People perceive the value that the old style neighborhoods have and there is a demand for it.

@@Strideo1 Yup. Bingo. There's a reason why property values are higher next to walkable, and dense main-street like neighborhoods and downtowns. Because people actually WANT to be there. Those places are actually pleasant, and have a nice community feel. Do you know anyone who actually wants to linger in a strip mall, or any auto oriented commercial area?

@@FGH9G me, it just makes me feel safe even despite how dangerous cars are

we are a very weird place Maybe its because most of Europe and it cities were designed for walking and horses while America was designed for cars (the western half anyways)

I have lived in the US my entire life and it still seems like a strange country.

@@garethbaus5471 i agree

Europe good, America bad, here is your le reddit upboat my good Evropean sir!

They ever implied that they hates America or say its bad. They are just pointing out that America confuses them in some aspects. Don't know why you are getting so pressed. Now if you are a troll seeking attention then congrats you got what you wanted.

That's kind of how bigger US cities (or Downtown Mediumvilles) end up, except there's a parking garage in the basement that they charge through the ear to use. Strip malls are much more common in urban sprawl. I can think of at least one or two strip malls in my neighborhood that have apartments attached to them, but they're mostly in one of the ethnic concentrations.

@@BonaparteBardithion True and urban sprawl sucks environmentally and regarding transportation.

This is becoming common here in Seattle, retail on bottom office/residential on top. Even some malls are getting redeveloped in this direction. Bonus if its near a light rail stop.

Strip malls around me (new england) usually do also have only one row [well one aisle, with two rows of spaces] of parking in front. A couple even have two levels of shops! Sometimes offices on top.

I thought of the same song and share the sentiment

It's just not economically feasible for most commercial real estate owners. The upfront costs don't justify the long-term savings without generous tax credits which many states don't offer or are outright hostile to. Many utility companies refuse to let you sell power to the grid or to bank energy credits. I think this will start to change as time goes on and solar becomes increasingly efficient and cheaper.

We do not have them in England because of planning rules. None of the major parties would tolerate this 'design aesthetic' in their town or city.

You get what you deserve! If anything kills them it will be online shopping

@@snaavs I suspect online shopping will bolster them. They're filled with mostly service, not retail. Pet groomers, pizza places, dentists, and hair salons don't exactly ship well via fedex.

Some guy wearing too much makeup recently said that satanist pedophile Antifa Marxists cannibals would abolish the suburbs. He seemed like he knew what he was talking about, so I guess the days of the strip mall are numbered, too.

@@unvergebeneid Seems legit

Yeah exactly, I live in London and I had never heard of a strip mall before this video

😂 Exactly! ... absolutley NOTHING can take the stigma away from such a crappy structure .. even after all their effort, it's still just "lipstick on a pig"

That sounds like the "New Urbanism" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Urbanism

Mock urban living and malls designed as Main Street suburban business districts seems to be the new norm malls along with strip malls are going with. Though at the end of the day it is still another crappy mall with an office park, it is far better than this unholy suburban sprawl setup: www.jrresolutions.com/strip-mall

No matter how dolled up a strip mall is, nothing is going to make the ugly parking lot and highway just beyond it go away.

In California they make it a Spanish Colonial or Mission aesthetic.

Which of the 3 kills more people?

@@kefsound yes

@@kefsound Everything kills people.

The cccc diagram

@@kefsound Definitely capitalism lol

You're in luck. Some strip malls do, in fact, have strip joints.

Objection!

I am not a town plannner, but I suspect you're right. I was once a local politician, and politicians do not, generally, listen to experts when their seat is at risk. Case in point: Trump.

@@gavinathling true

I just want to be city planner a la "Sim City" or "Cities: Skylines" where I have absolute POWAH!!! MWAHAHA!

@@Strideo1 i have never actually played either of those games :(

Second channel idea: City Ugly

old sick ppl are no fun. are strip malls the same?