California in 2002, cops raid your garage for weed "we're just selling ECU's here!" California 2021, cops raid your garage for ECU's "we're just selling weed here!"
LOL, love it! Get arrested for Grand Tuned Auto, worse than grand theft auto !!! Glad I live in GA. Cali is nice but communism is growing out there. Now ecu mods are bad, efff'm
I love all facets of the donut channel but one of the best things they do is put the little bar at the bottom of the sponsor ad so you can see when it will be over. Mad props
I live in Washington state. Just two years ago we eliminated biyearly emissions testing because it was a waste of time. With modern ecus so integrated and tracking emissions on their own, virtually nobody failed the test. In reality, a ban on ECU tuning is only targeted at stopping people from adding forced induction to NA cars. It doesn't help anything or anyone.
That reminds me of the scene in 'Alice's Restaurant', where Arlo Guthrie gets drafted for Military service and gets put on the 'Group W' bench at AFEES because of his arrest for Littering.
The day they do that to me is the day I would NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER own any motor vehicle manufactured on or after January 1, 1968. That is why pre-1968 vehicles go for good money today...shit like that has made pre-1968 vehicles not only hold their value, but make them worth even more. It's the reason why I own a few pre-1968 vehicles myself.
@@lawrenceartz8640 Actually, unless the vehicle was manufactured specifically for The Peoples Socialistik Republik of Kalifornistan, 1994 is the "magic date" for Version II of On Board Diagnostics (OBD-II); the current industry standard as mandated by federal law.
@@johnjohnsn7633 I remember back in 1994 (actually in 1992), I made a persomal pledge to never even consider an OBD II vehicle, and back then I was hoarding numerous Chevy IIs...cars, parts, etc. 1962 to 1967, and fortunately, many could be had, plentiful and cheap. Today, I dont own anything newer than a 1992...and I do annual spraying of rustproodong on my vehicles to keep them running for many years to come...just like Cuban do to pre-1959 vehicles. Im still driving these older vehicles every day. I still dont own anything with an airbag in it.
unfortunately replacing the entire ecu wont be a work around. When you go to smog the vehicle the shop will check to ensure you are running the ecu map that the car came with from the factory.
If emissions are truly their only goal, Cali needs to bring back the tailpipe sniffer. If it runs clean, then it IS clean. Sounds like yet another money grab to me.
@EVS What's even funnier is the lack of the legislator's knowledge of the CANBUS system or they would know that modern ECUs can be swapped back with very little effort.
@EVS are you dumb? Most people with a slight performance mod is going to need a tune therefore they won’t pass smog. Even if you put a fucking smaller pulley on your stock supercharger you need to tune your fuel output therefore you can’t pass smog, it’s a fucking joke, I literally can’t even do a cheap pulley swag without it now failing smog.
Let's just call this what it is: a way for CA gov programs to get funding thru "crackdowns" and fines, I'm sure that list of approved tuners is short and involves owners that "donate" to these programs. Lobbying has finally reached the car modding scene.
"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws." - Ayn Rand
"If an ECU tuner wants to make their modification legal for use on CA roads, they have to spend thousands of dollars for certification" Well there it is, the science be damned it's just another soulless money grab by the shitlords in charge 😂
Generally, just adding a fine to make something legal is a way better policy than making it illegal. It dissuades some people, but the most hardcore people will do it anyway. And hopefully the funding from it makes the enforcement fund itself.
California is a nightmare for car culture but also housing is expensive everywhere in spite of the fact that there’s I’d say maybe five cities that are popular.
Spot on. in nor cal there is always a fucker in a jacked up truck in the fast lane pushing 90 mph when he gets 15 hwy mpg and spewing black smoke emissions. It will be an honorary badge in cali to get towed or ticketed for mods soon enough. We respect the law for the most part at our meets, but when they over step, every meet will turn into a sideshow cuz the community will be fed up.
Even worse, the same people whining about climate change are flying around in their private jets. These politicians don't care about you or any of us plebs. They care about power. Rules for thee but not for me.
"If an ECU tuner wants to make their modification legal, they have to spend thousands of Dollars on certification" There you go. Politics and greed trumps all science...
California legislators are very good at regulating things that they have almost zero understanding of. Unfortunately, they're also seen as trailblazers in regulations by legislators in the rest of the country.
and you would have proof that the legislators had zero understanding of something...then all of these others legislators see this know nothing and say "yeah baby..I know nothing about this too" and jump on that bandwagon...this is a very interesting idea...very interesting indeed...I'll bet you heard it on a radio show...
@@mikeadams2351 just watch an interview with almost any politician about the contents and reasoning for almost any bill. They rarely have an in depth understanding of, what's in a bill, why it is in the bill or the potential and likely effects it will have. They often have very little understanding of how the items and industries that bills are about operate either. Which is why they're supposed to consult experts. Unfortunately they often let lobbies and paid committees determine what 'experts' they consult with and it ends up that the decisions are made by money
@@mikeadams2351 Have you not watched ANY of the hearings in Congress over Internet shit, even the reps that grow up with the internet were asking the most asinine question that made now since. And it's that way on just about any subject matter, fuck 90% of bills brought to table aren't even fully written by the congressmen that are sponsoring them. DO YOU REMEMBER "WE HAVE TO PASS IT, TO FIND OUT WHATS IN IT"!!!
I got an eco tune awhile back and it gave me more power than factory, I get much better mileage and can feel the difference, thinking of getting a retune for more power now, can't belive they would ban that. Glad I'm not in California
And this isn’t surprising. Like the video explained, factory tunes have to work everywhere.. the cold of Alaska and the heat of Death Valley.. but a tune that appropriate for your climate wouldn’t have to make such compromises.
@@Penryn87 or upgrade the ECU and sensors to cover temperature and pressure properly. Then you can build a tune that properly can cope. As for why race cars need this...Pike's Peak Hill climb comes to mind.
If California was interested in enthusiasts, they'd open offices to let us run tail pipe emission checks for a modest fee instead of slapping bans everywhere. Just because a car has an aftermarket intake, exhaust, or ECU doesn't mean that it won't pass a real emissions test
Yep - this is how it is done in the UK. Tune away, but you gotta pass a tailpipe test every year, and your numbers have to be within the acceptable stock ranges for that vehicle. However, you can also fail inspections for slightly dented bumpers, or slightly chipped windshields. Rust too, but I think its pretty fair to take cars with dangerous rotted sills off the roads. Germany is much more strict with their whole TUV stuff tho.
@Iain Bagnall Thanks to "Dieselgate" cars from 2010 and newer (Diesel) and 2014 and newer (Petrol) get there ECUs scanned.The ECU's software version number and the ECU's checksum are matched against a database hosted by the Federal Office of motor vehicles. If the checksum doesn't match the car fails the test section called "Verbauprüfung".This leads to a failed main inspection "Hauptuntersuchung (HU)" also called TÜV. Which is the name of one inspection agency.Cars which are chip tuned rarely fail exhaust gas inspection "Abgasuntersuchung (AU)" if they got all catalytic converters and particle filters. Next year they are introducing new exhaust gas testers. I am not that concerned for my '09 5 Series and my '03 E-Class. If they are introducing more and more regulations, I thought about registering my cars in Poland.
@EVS as someone with an NA car, every little bit can help. But yeah, I don't see an air intake that keeps all the sensors messing with emissions much 🙃
@@TheFruitDragon basically every diesel car under euro 6 is banned in germany and so most of your euro 4 and euro 5 shitboxes end up here on the balkan where we suckers buy 'em with their flywheel from the factory and then complain how shitty the car is (and mostly it is shitty because we own a golf 5 and goddamn stupid dual mass flywheel)
@@iainbagnall4825 TUV is worse than California! At least here I can be sneaky with the greatest penalty being a slap on the wrist. Over there it's potentially jail!
Jeremiah: "Do you live in California, Are you mad that they're banning your modified ECU?" Me: "No, I live in India and I'm mad because I can't do shit."
Its the same people who want guns that can micro stamp every round that fires...its almost impossible and the tech wont be there for decades...but lets push legislation for it. Its all about control and profit, none of it actually helps anyone other than the pockets of those that submit it.
Man, they could invest in public transportation to reduce traffic and emissions. I guess that is too Communist/Socialist to U.S.A. However, if they keep banning everything, then I guess is the land of the free from everything. Even free from choice between taking a train or driving a EV or having a SUV.
This is the Democrats Achilles heel. Good intentions gone Cray. Wouldn't it be great if Emission laws & Regulations relied on Empirical Data, not just the "feels" that, to alter something, must be wrong. Let the semi annual SMOG test results speak for themselves. On the flip side, you have conservatives taking Horse Dewormer, out of mistrust, and Democrats crying for people to trust Medical experts(and people should). It's a crazy world.
@@greenman8 horse dewormer? For god sakes would you actually watch something other than CNN. Doctor's are prescribing this medication, because guess what? It actually works! From the CDC website.... Ivermectin is a Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved antiparasitic drug that is used to treat several neglected tropical diseases, including onchocerciasis, helminthiases, and scabies.1 It is also being evaluated for its potential to reduce the rate of malaria transmission by killing mosquitoes that feed on treated humans and livestock.2 For these indications, ivermectin has been widely used and is generally well tolerated.1..
@@wed3k You have to modify a product to repair it, even if it is with comparable components, most of the times you can't do a repair properly with the exact same parts that were used originally...
Ecu tuning is one of the best ways to get the most out of an engine, but if Cali is banning tuning, lots of tuners would become technically be criminals, risking their cars or jail time to get lots out of their car
The hypermiling crowd are more guilty of pollution than the performance guys. Leaning a motor out to 17+ afr creates nitric oxide groups that are the primarily contributors to smog. Its basically why Honda stopped selling the CRX-HF that got 50mpg and couldnt match that number again till the gen1 insight hybrid was introduced.
Like even for those that lean more towards what the gov. in cali does. I like a good deal of what they do but some stuff like this is just like who thought this was a good idea and why?
That's what the leaders wants. Soon they will do what it takes to take away the freedom of owning a car... Trust me, they're gonna slowly take away all that from us.
As a mechanic and tuner myself, older cars, which about half on the road in Kentucky are 10+ years old, really gets gains in fuel economy and power from tuning. But putting newer, more advanced or reinforced replacement parts on a vehicle, combined with a solid tune, often results in a cleaner burn within a certain range. And a lot of customers want their standard highway speeds and rpms in that range. The idea that the modern driver can afford a 10 mpg sportscar daily is ridiculous.
Yeah, this is pretty stupid, that way. Far from all car people are about bigger dyno numbers, cat deletes, and burnouts. I care a *lot* about the environment and even my musclecar would have passed emissions in Massachusetts if it were a brand new Honda. (The stock emissions controls were obsolete and bad, so what I did was get rid of those and optimize what was left for the cam I inherited and what I was doing.) It'd burn a *lot* of fuel if I opened the taps, but it burned it cleanly. With these new computers I could choose similar optimizations. (Likely by calling in someone more up-to-date for anything newer than say 2004, or preferably when I could afford custom ECUs. :) ) Tuning's all about what you *ask for,* too. I wouldn't be asking for heyul yeah, send it or bragging rights about HP numbers. And these laws can backhandedly make it illegal, say, for me to put a much cleaner and nicer Honda engine in my Volvo, which I'd love to try to do.
Someone asked for clarification... My standard highway speed is about 90, and that's 2800 rpm for me. In first and second I generate more than enough torque at 3400 rpm to drift based on my initial speed going into the drift. So the tune I want is between 2500-3500 rpm, for max torque. The car is too light to go over about 115 without the front end lifting up, so I'm not thinking about horsepower that much for what I do with the Kiryustang. I can still get a good 28 mpg highway with that and all my mods. I modified an older car to be modular enough to both have fun, and be more efficient, with the reduced weight. That's what I meant by my initial comments.
Thank you Donut Media. I had tried everything but my car mad (he can tell the difference between a V8 and V12 modern ferrari, M series 6 cylinder and AMG 4 and V8 cylinders)4 year old would not go to sleep until Jeremiah started talking about ECU programming.
I had no idea tuning was so complicated. I watch a lot of car guys on here, but none have truly gone into depth about what it truly takes to tune a car. This honestly just makes me respect all the car guys more lol
@@loganthesaint see that’s what I thought as well. I started learning tuning Honda’s and learned about AFR. I used to think that dumping a shit ton of fuel makes more power but no, everything the video covered is very true.
That is why I will always try to keep my car registered in my current county. My car is 15 yo and is emissions exempt so I can do quite a bit without worrying about having to pass emissions
It's called a smog check. And they're done by independently owned shops who send the pass or fail to the DMV. California cities have the populations of entire states. So there is no fucking way they can keep track of everyone. I just pay my guy $300 and my catless subaru is good for 2 more years.
@@CompproB237 even my '84 motorcycle had an entire different model built to comply to California and it just made everything inconvenient to access and complicated to work on. California was a thriving example of car culture in the 50s and 60s, by the 70s they just gave all the car enthusiasts the middle finger
Dude! I just moved out August first to a free state! I’m so happy! My STi wouldn’t be allowed there anymore! Hopefully some of the awesome tuners will branch out from their California as well.
Luckily, the bill they were trying to pass that would have forced you to pay income taxes up to 10 years after you moved out of state failed. Honestly, I’m surprised it didn’t pass.
Jerimiah spent about 30 seconds talking about how ecu tuning could effect emissions, and the rest on how an ecu works. Was hoping he would get into details about how modern 3 way cats convert both NOx AND unburned gas into compliant emissions, regardless of power levels.
That is a complex answer but he somewhat did answer your question in an overall view of emissions and tuning. With NOx being formed from too lean or too much timing, EGTs really climb causing the partial fusion of Nitrogen and Oxygen. The EGR and other ECU control sensors help reduce this. The other end with unburned fuel or high HC, the use of an air pump, Cat, and all of the ECU control sensors reduce this. Your point on the newer catalytic converters would be a good topic, however I think he is making a general case for the ECU being tuned and thus prohibited even though it most likely polluting less if tuned correctly.
Catalyst operation is just about balancing how rich/lean and how long you are rich/lean for each catalyst. Balancing all of that is how OEM's really optimize post light off emissions. For that, you use both the first O2/WB sensor as well as the catalyst monitor O2 sensor. And thinking that after market tuners can do that better without all of the emissions detection components is kind of a stretch.
@@martindinner3621 No, I'm not removing anything, I'm just pointing out big drivers for catalyst optimization,. All of the other sensors are required to get the air calculation even close enough for the front and rear sensors to even be useful.
I think an overlooked part of the law is that they have a list of verified manufacturers to make tunable ecus which just creates a barrier to entry for small time companies or ones that don't want to have the government controlling their business as much. Exclusivity in the market is a bad thing
The problem with allowing anyone to tune is that, like VW group demoed is that one can simply have the car perform one way when emission testing and then polute all it wants down the road.
Its all a scam to control people and make big profits for huge companies... Nothing more... California is on its way to becoming a full on Communist state. Other cities and states are suffering the same lack of freedoms as well, but Cali is one of the worst.
@@JonHop1 No, they are copying the European model: if you want a faster car you must buy a faster car from the manufacturer and pay the government their pound of flesh in taxes.
To sum up years and years of proof in one statement.. California law is mostly based off of emotion and pandering, not science (which they preach), and it really sucks to live there only because of its government. Otherwise its great and beautiful.
@@juggsauce that's here in the central valley where I live ): I used to live near LA, every year I'd go visit family in Northern California and going over the "grapevine" (basically a big mountain highway you drive over to drive out of Southern California) you can see the layer of brown fog as you decend into the central valley Bakersfield, CA, and its like that from.bakersfield all the way to the bay area/Sacramento California area
@@robreeto Yeah and that layer of brown fog would look 100x worse if it weren't for the strict Cali emissions standards that conservatives love crying about so much. The only reason LA is even livable is because the government did the right thing and made an aggressive push toward cleaner air and it totally worked.
Because if they qualify to legally sell their stuff there, they qualify everywhere. Now they have no choice, but to get out or change their business model.
It still has a huge following, we just need to find ways to keep our stuff legal. I don’t even deal with CARB, I have two ecus, swap one out and remove my supercharger/injectors every 2 years.
The stuff some californians voted for doubled the value of my house in AZ. The normal people that lived there are jumping ship and paying cash to live anywhere else.
@@LeArmBoss It's a pity because California is such a beautiful and unique state, but issues like homelessness and the abundance of heroin needles on the ground make me hesitant to visit the cities there.
@@LeArmBoss Let em do all the heroin they want, population control. That state is overcrowded, and thats an understatement. If junkies wanna shoot up and stop their heartbeat, thats their choice.
As Luke said this definitely affects right to repair. I think a video on heavy truck and agricultural canbus systems would be an awesome video. Could talk about how the modularity of everything and protocols compare to the automotive world, diesel tuning, being able to spec a vehicle to a far great extent than cars, the challenges of changing emissions regulations, etc. Lots of ways you guys could go with it
They are literally going to see so many more of those old school carbureted builds now. They're going to wish they just let people tune their car's ECU. I'm sure in time we won't even be able to drive gasoline cars on the road in the near future. Or I should say internal combustion engines.
This has already happened in some places. The government is trying to force people to stop buying new ICE cars by taxing the hell out of them. Result: the most sold car became a used +10 year old diesel. Much better for the environment, right? Politicians are retarded.
I was gonna get into Japanese sports cars but now it makes more sense for me to get my uncles old 73 c10 in the backyard and take it off non op and put it back on the road. Runs and drives, has a 350, manual 3 speed short bed stepside. Just chilling. It will definitely put more of a dent in the ozone than a ej or fa would. Good Ole 350 with some headers and a edlebrock running a little rich. I feel like the art of building old 350s will come back now. The only thing it needs is new wooden bed planks and I'm curious how hard a solid axle swap would be. Building a step side short bed k10. It's fine as a 2wd cruiser but I want the solid axle. I'll see if I can find a k sieres for cheap first.
Similar to how CA treats guns. They make random laws that force awkward designs and make the guns more difficult and dangerous to use and only approve certain guns they deem "safe". When new versions with new safety features come out, they are illegal because they aren't on the "safe" list which is created by people who know nothing about guns. For example, 3rd gen glocks are "safe" but the new 4th and 5th gens with improved safety features are not. They're just doing the same thing with cars. Politicians constantly legislate about stuff they don't know anything about and pass laws that accomplish the opposite of their stated goal. They don't want to actually create any benefit, they just want to create an illusion that they can pretend helped somehow.
It's amazing how uneducated politicians are on the things they are legislating. Lobbyists are supposed to be educating them, but really all they are doing is buying laws that work in the lobbyist's favor. It's a broken system, but still better than any other system that's been devised.
First time at the range, one of the guys had an AR-15 to shoot. I was excited and let down at the exact moment he showed me how they’re reloaded here. I looked like a bumbling idiot using that pink plastic hook thingy to press the mag release. Handicapping legal gun owners for what? To commit legal crimes I guess lmao makes the aesthetics worse because of that chode ass magazine.
@@FunkkyPanda69 I mean, most criminals are technically just legal gun owners prior to their first crime. I mean, if someone decides to shoot up a place, and they haven't been convicted prior, they are just a "legal gun owner". We know in societies that "most" people follow "most" laws, "most" of the time. If this wasn't true, we wouldn't have any laws.
@@rdizzy1 and forks make people fat and pencils misspell words. The constitution was very clear on “shall not be infringed”. Allowing these illegal restrictions to become law is a dangerous game. Once your rights are gone, they’re gone. And by passing these stupid laws like your AR-15 needs to have a screwed up grip so you can’t properly handle it and actually making it dangerous. You think a thug cares to make sure his gun is up to par if he wants to rob you?
As someone who is learning ECU Tuning i can only say that its the same thing here in Germany. Legal ECU Tunes are available, but you would be paying serious Coin for the Tune itself that it has a TÜV Certification... But as of this point, i havent heard of Police looking for a tune on the ECU
I know plenty of people over there who are able to defeat the TUEV (sorry no umlaut on my keyboard) or just get a friend at a station to sign off. If I ever move over there I will go to NL as they do not have any gestapo hangovers in TUV form.
California isn't allowing police to go around looking for vehicles with ECU tunes. That would violate the constitution since they can't justify any such search.
@@aaronthomas6155 They can pull you over for driving a modified car, and that right there is "probable cause" to search/inspect the vehicle for compliance. That is why you have to have your C.A.R.B. sticker visible and ledgable, other wise it's a ticket and possibly a tow/impound.
They also gave the taliban SO much weapons, and banned russian ammo imports which made russian ammo skyrocket in price and fucked over a lot of gun guys
If only this level of scrutiny applied to the power plants and industrial enterprises. By this logic we should limit the maximum rate at which EVs can accelerate as it uses a tremendous amount of power, the pollution is just done else where.
the pollution is just done somewhere else is true...the deal is..it's already being made..the EV won't make "more"...making and transporting gasoline makes pollution somewhere else too...the gas then makes even more...google number of oil pipeline spills 2020..that's pollution "else where" from you would be my guess...
@@mikeadams2351 You're actually quite wrong, especially when you factor in what you're grids power runs off and how long those batteries last before having to be replaced. Planet of the humans was a good documentary on it, produced by Micheal Moore. Where I am in BC EV's are kinda practical because of how we get our power, hydro and natural gas, but even then we're still using natural gas. A lot of places in the US are still using natural gas including California, and worse yet; they are importing power from places, which normally isn't too bad depending on the distance, but Californias importing energy from as far away as where I am (a different country), so EV's are way less practical for you guys...
@@mikeadams2351 it's not energy that's already being made... If you're charging your car once a day you'll pull the equivalent kw of coal from the powerplant... Granted that it is a small load compared to all the power produced but it isn't energy that has been already made... You'll increase the load on the power station and it will be feed more fuel than usual... So if you accelerate more you'll have decreased range, wich leads to more charging and therefore more coal being burned... Just cause you don't see it doesn't mean electricity is just this magical thing that we can use without consequence... You floor it you'll burn more coal... Your understanding of how a power plant works is just gross and upsetting... This is why EVs are so easy to sell to dumb people, cause they "don't pollute"...
@Triston Stuart That's a bit wrong too, seeing as the batteries are improving all the time. I think in the next 20 years electric cars could possibly be a good alternative to gas power, but the battery issue is a big one, its keeping things like solar and wind from being a viable option in most places. With all that being said: I doubt EV's will replace combustion completely for at least 50 years, even longer in some areas simply because of how they get their power, and how long the batteries last. Plus by the time that's a reality, I don't think they'll need to ban combustion vehicles simply because by then we'll have enough alternative energies that actually work properly so that wont be necessary. Also by then hopefully they'll be regulating the corporations more then they do the little guy, a lot of these BS regulations (aircare, ecu ban, etc) wouldn't even be necessary if they went after the big industrial polluters....
@@arjnarersn01 authoritarians. The modern Left - HQed in Holywoke - is the modern day version of Jerry Falwell and his misnamed 'Moral Majority'. It's a new religion.
Wait.. Modified ECUs are banned in Portugal? I didn't know they were so strict.. I always thought us germans had the strictest laws when it comes to modifying cars.
@@l33tnobody1337 yeah, we are super limited. You can change rims and in some cases engines, but you have to legalize them, wich when it comes to engines, is rly difficult. You can also change bumpers, but i think you have some weird rules to that, where the brand as to aprove... i dont even know wtf they are doing with car mods law here, honestly.
@@evossan Well it's the same in Germany, EVERY change to relevant parts of your car needs to be legalized, which can be very expensive and in some cases even completely impossible.
That's like every state with their laws, just like Texas and their new abortion laws, or Utah and their weird alcohol laws. If you don't like it, you're essentially left with the decision to stay and suck it up, leave, or perhaps speak up against it.
Whats funny is that emissions laws are already strict enough and im sure it causes cops a ton of headache to actually pinpoint who is breaking the law in their cars
I’m in CA, with a couple tuned cars - one of which is due for smog. I flashed the original map on, and am driving it 100 miles for all sensors to be “ready”. A lot of uncertainty and rumors if a car will fail if the ecu has ever been modified, even if you show up on the stock map. Subaru was known for their lean tunes. My STi ran poorly on stock tune. Turbo boost was inconsistent. A tune smoothed all that out giving me much better drivability - especially in the 3-4k rpm range where I spend most of my time. I’m sure eventually the performance crowd will all switch to EVs, once they start offering ones with performance handling - and then shortly after that, CA will come after tuners for running batteries at a higher amp rate or whatever they do to EVs to create maximum power.
@@elijahbarra584 California has been struggling with air pollution for decades, so it kinda makes sense for them to start cracking down on the emission levels of vehicles. However, I also feel like this is a Hail Mary from governor newsom to raise his approval ratings at the last minute.
@@Jack-cz5su I work in the industry and pretty much Newsom just wants to squeeze the automotive industry out and make it to where only the manufactures exist and no more aftermarket or mom and pop shops, for the most part the parts that do get put on peoples cars actually make the vehicle more efficient and burn cleaner the issue is when people neglect performing their maintenance on their vehicle, also I would be looking elsewhere for emission levels, cars have such a low level even the bill that bans the sale of new I.C.E. vehicles he signed will only lower it by approx one third and they want everyone to have an electric vehicle but then not bother upgrading the grid to be able to handle the increase of electric vehicles. I think I'd probably update the grid before saying that they don't want anymore new I.C.E. vehicles. In a way its just a new way to fine people and to have more control over what you can and can't do with your property
I live in New Jersey, but I am still concerned about other states possibly adopting this mindset. Everyday car or sports car emissions are important, but most tunes don't throw emissions out the window. The custom tunes should be allowed if they fall within emission guidelines.
Actually most proper tunes run cleaner than factory tune because optimizing for every bit of air and gas to get more power. Certain turns I’m sure aren’t better, I was messing with options when tuning my car and one of them was injector overrun, basically in addition to normal cycle it injects fuel after combustion cycle and during the exhaust stroke to send fuel out of the exhaust and cause crackles/pops and flames. The thing is, even flames and raw fuel in exhaust are less polluting then a modern car with a bad MAF or MAP sensor or a lazy O2 sensor that isn’t throwing and codes or CEL. And as someone who worked in a shop for a little while, even during my time I seen plenty of sensors that are bad but not throwing codes and OBD-II emissions are happy and complete, even if it’s pumping smoke at WOT. The ironic thing is, in most states including cali, a lazy or bad sensor not throwing codes would pass emissions even if pumping black smoke on WOT, because not testing from tailpipe, testing from the ODB-II port for emissions which is just stupid.
@@Honeypot-x9s The hotter it runs the more NOx it emits. More power makes more NOx because it's leaner of a mix. The other direction makes more carbon that's unburnt. Tuning shops NEVER sniff the NOx and carbon at the tailpipe, but they do check the power. Guess what that means is actually being emitted from the pipe. Mo powah baby... and nobody checks the NOx and carbon.
The fact is that you could pull a Volkswagen and submit one set of behavior for testing, and another for actual driving. Or just change the tune before and after inspection. The assholes have ruined it for everyone, as they so often do. The only solution would be to allow cars to be stopped and emissions-checked on the side of the road, without allowing time for any components (including firmware) to be updated. That still won't solve Dieselgate shenanigans. Since it's not possible to confirm that someone is loading firmware that actually respects the emissions laws, it's necessary to limit the options to those which _can_ be vetted. I'm sorry tuning is dead, but I blame VW (and any other automaker that cheated, meaning pretty much "everyone but Mazda") and the coal rollers.
California is a capitalist hellhole and their laws reflect that. This ban on ecu tuning is simply put in place in order to persuade people into paying more money for sport trimmed cars instead of upgrading a base trim car down the line for cheaper.
@@wotwott2319 There are absolutely no way that California is capitalist, the point of capitalism it that you can buy anything you like in California it's the complete opposite.
@@wotwott2319 capitalism is economic model. It is like complaining about gravity when someone through a stone. Ask your government to stop interfering with the economy, because capitalism or not, this is the problem.
Technically they are. Considering how California has helped shape American car culture to what it is today, it's not 100% accurate to say that this is a measure to hurt enthusiasts, especially with California's geography making it prone to more smog and soot, a topic Nolan talked in an earlier episode of Wheel House
@@kamilkarwat2706 this was my thoughts exactly. Ive lived here for 20 years and what little culture there was is dieing at the hands of arbitrary smog laws and stupid crap like this.
@@LouisSubearth that is only partially true. There is a certain car culture that was shaped in Cali, but not car culture overall. You’ll find different dialects of car culture all across the US and abroad.
"Bertie verheiz' die Karre nicht!" "Gert das ist ein Mantamotor..." ;-) Nach 2:43 "Vorsichtig du hast jetzt 120 PS mehr unter der Haube" "Ach du Scheiße das ist ja 'ne Kampfsau"
The law isn't about emissions, safety or logic, they just want to ban "those cars". These are the same people that mandated electric cars and then started a "Public Service" campaign to conserve energy to help prevent a collapse of the electrical grid.
Them: "Hey, we made this fascist law that says all mods are illegal unless you give us thousands of dollars to test it and prove it isn't." Aftermarket: ".....okay, fine." Them: "Nah, even though these tunes were tested, we're still banning them, we ran out of other things to make illegal so this one is next."
lol it's just endless new laws that have to be made. I love how you put it. lol the government be like "hmm what to do today" "how about we find something that is legal and make it illegal!" "yes! and let's make it so we can also collect more taxes and fees from citizens" *jizz in their pants*
@@Kohlob Asking people to pray for water instead of actually requiring people to save water? All the Bears Ears nonsense, and the ridiculous alcohol laws. I barely drink so it doesn't even effect me but it's moronic other than the 0.05 BAC limit
you don't kneed to knwo about ECU. You just need to knew that they tune their ECU to have more power by making the mix more rich... and thus more polution. So bad ecu tunning because it's just about getting more power regardless of increase in pollution
@@CodyVanRyn yes. BUt hacking your tesla to have better acceleration won't produce more pollution. pollution has already been done when creating the battery anyway
All the while he was talking about increased air/fuel ratio near the last quarter of the vid I found myself aggressively whispering “*MO POWA BABY*” the whole time. I swear these videos are doing something to my subconscious.
@@DC5Brandon adding Pratt & Whitney in West Palm Beach. Robotic "imagineers" at Disney. Missile and fire control division of Lockheed Martin in Orlando, etc. Alot of great talent out of Florida.
Hey guys, thanks for producing this video. I've been trying to get my head around this new phase of CARB crackdowns. As a Cali resident, and owner of a much loved, tastefully modified turbo-charged N54, I can totally attest to how freakin OCD you have to be to dialed-in the tune - with consequent clean exhaust. This new regulation is a massive concern. Clearly emissions equipment is one elephant in the room; another one in the room is how to beat this!?!
I'd love to see them check the ECU on my '91 Honda Accord (OBD1). Also, California's turning into Little China and it pisses me off. *_Stop voting for these people!_*
ECU is checked for manipulations during the road wothyness test every 2 years in Germany if possible. They also check function and visual apperence / existance of the catalytic converter and its regulation system . Even on old cars and motorbikes with carbs without cat`s , the CO content is checked in the exhaust fumes. But that is OK, have no problem with that .
yeah the politicians in Cali probably dont know shit about cars and are just reacting emotionally to something that sounds bad. its one thing to regulate it and say you cant tune a car with e85 and have 1200hp but to not let guys put a turbo on a honda and get 350-400hp off 93 octane is just fucking stupid....
as several mechanics have said to me over the years in nearly the same words. theres skill to tuning an ECU. there is an ART to tuning a carb, its not just about numbers but.. sometimes a feeling about where a problems coming from and understanding, at least on some level, how to address that... or at least identify it... theres also alot of skill involved in figuring out whats actually wrong in some cases in both types of setup... because... tech...old or new... can be... infurating... cars and such are given "personality" but also, have personality, some are grumpy old men, who start slow but, once up and going will chug along all day no problem, others are quick to start, and quick to need worked on again, because something else is wrong... like a needy high maintenance gf or wife..
@Endless Sporadic Especially considering this guy is actually gay but hides it... and a hypocrite looking for cheap laughs by calling other people stupid. How smart is that?
@Endless Sporadic I'm not saying he doesn't do a good job for his channel... but he definitely lives a double life. He probably went to FSU, or so it seems- originally a women's college.
@@tomj3089 A landscape comprised of vast swamp with intermittent mountain peaks will still be called a swamp. So should the same be applied to TMF; their lucky (and yes, they were lucky) picks that yielded massive returns are only small dots on the landscape of their partially below average speculations. Survivorship bias doesn't show us all the people that lost money on the bad picks. I'm sure the ratio of people who made it big on their advice to those who didn't are as stark as those mountains and the swamp.
A lot of people also switch over to E85 when trying to make more power, which has the added benifit of burning cleaner than regualar gasoline. The war on speed rages on getting dumber every year.
If the government truly cared about emissions, it would apply a vehicle exhaust emission standard that needs to be met and not care about how you get there. Government loves its control over people and thus you get told no ECU tuning, even for no valid reason other than control over you.
In my country you can't pass yearly checks with an engine swap unless is the same model that the car came with. If you had a certificate of emissions from the dealer of the manufacturer you could, but they never ever going to hand that document. The regulations in my country don't have tail pipe emission standard as you said, they just want to control and push new sales on the same dealers the politicians have lobby from.
Part of this is about rich companies lobbying to get things banned so that they can have more control over the market. Car companies don't want people modifying their own cars to be better. Car companies want people buying new cars. That's how they make money. And one way to guarantee that people are not able to modify their older cars to be better is to lobby for a government agency to ban things.
@@AmaroqStarwind A similar thing happened in gaming, where some developers tried banning mods by implying that "they ruin the game" whereas they are banning them because people shouldn't get free content but paid DLCs. So the customer is losing control to what he bought with his money, somehow this is very tied with the loss of the right to repair.
Its like the leaders of California go through a list of cool shit nd say, well this kid in high-school used to pick on me and i remember he liked tuning, time to hit timmy where it hurts… tuning!
I’ve heard and seen people show their tune cars with stock engine equipment produce less emissions than what it’s supposed to originally. Those tests were deemed failures. Think about that, making an engine produce less emissions is illegal. I don’t means making it better for the environment. Makes you wonder if they actually care.
they probably only improved some aspects of emissions. you can get a ton of efficiency increase by leaning out, but you generate NOx. Further particle mass and particle amount, unburnt CH and CO are monitored, you need to find a perfect balance between them. OEMs invest a ton of time into developing the best possible tune, no tuner is ever going to meet that quality without 10000+ hours on the dyno
Yeah, with hondata in my car, i was able to tune it to produce way less emissions all around and the damn thing runs better than ever. gets like 10mpg better than it did before converting it from obd0 to obd1 with hondata.
If this opens the door for tuners in CA to get CARB certification and get an EO sticker, it may not be so bad. I understand this process will be cost restrictive to alot of tuners though, which is unfortunate. However, I've been mulling over the idea of a tune in my diesel Canyon for years but had been wondering if smog testing in CA can detect a tune. Apparently they can, which is why I was hesitant. What's sadder is by all accounts, the tune for my truck improves mpg (if ever so slightly) power, and driveability while emissions controls and things like DPF Regen remain intact. Sounds like something CA should welcome with open arms. I know not all tunes are like that, but the ones that are...I hope to see them get CARB approved.
@Alexandros Nicolacakis Each individual custom tunes would need CARB compliance unless they are just doing stuff like Cobb Stage 1 tunes which are OTC. That means a custom tune would cost thousands of dollars.
Moved out of Sac years ago. Now I’m in Arkansas where people pretty much do whatever they want to their cars. No emissions around here. Which is sometimes a bad thing when someone is rollin coal at a stop light
@@reinbeers5322 Not where I'm at in the Midwest, I see that shit multiple times a day every day. It sucks, the only people modifying their cars all do the same thing (lift truck, widen stance without flaring fenders, fit comically oversized exhaust stack which covers back window in soot). I cherish every time I see a donk or something that doesn't scream "the election was stolen" lol
Something I think that is very important to point out and add to this is An ecu modified for something unrelated to tuning/emission can now fail emissions. For example a truck getting their ecu flashed to fix tire size or gear ratio calibration will alter the CVN which is what they are checking for. It’s absurd but will now fail.
This right here. altering the tune to bypass or modify emissions is and should remain illegal, but there are tons of reasons the ecu may need to be modified that have zero effect on emissions. Gas cars are actually pretty easy to keep in compliance as long as your not running too lean/rich and have cats to take care of what's generated, regardless of power levels. Diesels on the other hand can easily generate more NOx or particulates than what the SCR can handle.
yeah I was wondering about that, I would hope they planned exceptions (my faith in lawmakers is probably too high) made for legitimate modifications that require ECU changes. And hopefully that doesn't require a dealership visit. Anyone read the new law?
@@crbrocket nope no exceptions unless it’s a carb approved tune. Reason being is say you have that reflash for tire size changes. The dmv/smog station, nor California know what was changed and really no way for the vehicle owner to prove it wasn’t emissions altering, they just see it doesn’t match what’s approved or not
I have a 99 trans am with an ls1 not long ago I changed my throttle body with a stock one and had to use hp tuners to adjust Idle, so youre saying I won't pass smog now?
@@martinez1701a assuming you mean you used the scanner part to adjust/relearn then no that’s fine. If you actually re-wrote a tune to the car that would change the CVN but not sure why you would have to do that on a stock throttle body change
Solid video, very well explained on how tuning works. I just wish they would’ve showed the data on emissions before and after a tune, since apparently it’s California’s claim of why they’re doing this
I got my turbo diesel ECU tuned a while back. It doubled my torque on the low revs and increased overall power. It made it more efficient too. So, it’s a win-win. More power, better fuel efficiency, what’s the problem? Oh yeah, I live on the other side of the planet. 😂
