So if you pull them up on it... will they cry like a baby? Next time have a 'baby high chair' ready in the meeting room for them as a joke just to lighten the mood but send a clear message that they will be treated accordingly to their level of punctuality good or bad.
@@mastermagus1114 tell it to the jobbi how or why,gets old after the 2nd or 3rd go round, legit shit rarely ever has some need to start thinking about what story this time TIM?ahah lol
So why is it important to be on time: 1. Basic respect for other people's time 2. Operational readiness 3. Being prepared 4. Showing reliability and professionalism The one who is waiting on the battlefield will be victorious.
ReInvented562Cali My dad hasn’t served in the armed forces. He’s the sheriff of our county. My grandpa was in the Air Force tho. He retired like a year before I was born.
If you were heavily motivated you wouldn't be 10 mins late, If you were heavily motivated you would get the earlier bus/train, you would set off earlier etc as you would be raring to go and get stuck in.
I once had a GREAT employee who was late alot. I solved it. Here's how. I moved him to the 12 to 8pm shift, but I added an hour to that and scheduled him from 11 to 8pm. Everyday he came in about 11:35 to 11:45am. He was always so sorry he was late. It was years later that it came up and I told him about it, and that he was actually early everyday. We laughed our ass off. Fucking hilarious! 🤣
If this story was true, then he would be getting paid for a 9 hour shift and not an 8 hour shift... He would have figured it out on the first pay check that his actual times were 12-8 by the amount of hours he was paid for... yeh nice story.
@@KaesOner Yes, we all punched a time clock and regularly got paid the extra 15 to 25 +/- minutes. This was encouraged to have over lapping people available at shift changes.
@@KaesOner just read the end of your comment. (Weird) Yes, some of us don't need to make things up in our lives. The truth is stranger than fiction. This guy is still a good friend of mine, and although he no longer lives in my state we are still in touch.
I had a coworker who was fired from three different jobs because he was always late. He wasn’t able to get on time due to his schizophrenia medication really slowed him down in the morning and we didn’t know this until we asked him what was going on. But we worked with him and now he arrives 5 min early to start the day. Just talking to your employees can make a big difference
Yeah that's rough, can't blame a guy with schizophrenia for being off. Lots of these rules about being decent sort of don't apply to people who have demons in their heads, or at the very least perceive that as their reality
@@snap-off5383 if nobody is waiting on you, then you are not needed. If you are not needed (by your boss, your friends, your family) then you are a nobody
@@tyronebiggums1047 Late is relative since I work in a field my physical presence is not needed, and with technology I can be anywhere instantly, so I'm instantly available 24/7/365. My presence isn't needed, just my intelligence.
I hate being late, was always late but learning to get better. Lifetime of abuse causes neural pathways of DISREGULATION - it's like suddenly wearing a snorkel mask, being in a bubble, with visual impairment and chaotic thoughts screaming in your head - your hands don't work properly, you can't use logic or think straight and your heart races thinking I'm going to be late BUT I've not done enough, don't look right, have forgotten something I or the children need... this from a lifetime of being treated like we are "less than a nothing" no matter how much we do or cope with its never enough. The dread of the tirade of abuse on arrival eventually infiltrates every appointment we leave for. Lambs to the slaughter is all we've known - physically shaking as I type. No contact from toxic abusers is the only way to begin healing. Nice for you that you were raised with punctuality, but lateness is a sign of abuse, compassion goes a long way🙏
*Time* It is arguably the most valuable asset that _everyone_ has. Don’t waste your time. Don’t let your time be wasted by others. Don’t waste anyone else’s time. There are few more open signs of disrespect and inconsiderateness.
@DarthYuYevon you schedule a meeting at 10am. if you don't start the meeting until 10:15, you have wasted 15 minutes of everyone's time. set the time the meeting starts, start the meeting at that time. people will learn to be early enough to not miss it. don't wait on anyone, even the boss.
@@RaccoonNation the way he describes it, makes it sound like he never got a single solitary second of sleep through out his 20 years. Especially when he said "Even when we woke up really early, even if I were t boned, I could file the insurance paperwork, and rent a cab and still be an hour early" So he woke up, did some PT, shit, showered, and shaved well before the ass crack of o dark thirty, went on his duty day, and did it again the next day.
The question was haphazard. It should opened to, would you want someone who showed up 15 minutes early and did mediocre or arrive as the buzzer started but outworked everyone around them? Struggled with depression for years and getting out of bed in the morning is the hardest part of my day. No pill has ever fixed that. Arriving to work before 0700 now in the civilian world is a life and death struggle it seems. 0730, no bother at all. Some people’s clock just don’t adjust I guess, even after five years in the airborne infantry it’s been that way as long as I can remember unless I get 10+ hours of sleep.
Punctuality is the single most obvious way to show one’s reliability. That and when it’s mentioned that time is the most invaluable commodity in our lives. Great talk here.
Cotton Hill gotta tell her the appointment or party time is 30-60 min before it actually occurs. Til the day she gets ready on time and you arrive earlier than expected... then you’re in trouble for rushing her lol damned if you do, damned if you don’t
Advice I've heard that isn't passive aggressive and doesn't involve lying or throwing away your entire relationship for an issue that can be talked about is to just tell her you no longer want to be late to events because of her and that you'll start going on your own so you can be on time. You're being reasonable and she'll know you're being serious and will either get her shit together or show you that she really doesn't care and at that point, yeah, maybe consider ending the relationship
Jocko walking into a 9:00 AM meeting at 9:01 AM: I'm early guy at meeting: this meeting started 1 minute ago and you weren't invited Jocko: I'm 23 hours and 59 minutes early to the 9:00 AM meeting I scheduled for tomorrow in this room guy at meeting: forgive me Jocko
I've been out of the military for over 45 years and am still almost never late (unavoidable due to circumstance maybe once every three years or so). To me being on time is a question of integrity (doing what you say you're going to do) and also respecting of someone else's time. I've been known to waste my time, but never anyone else's. I'll get off my soapbox now - another worthwhile video. Gonna be like Jocko when I grow up!
Lateness = responsibility/reliability = echo was responsible for the tomatoes and was encountering frustration and was ready to just quit his job and not be reliable... kinda saying whether it's lateness or tomatoes just be reliable.. not exactly related but it was useful and true
Jocks is 100% right! Being late is disrespectful. There’s usually a deeper reason why people are late. Lack of self-belief, etc. I appreciate Echo Charles’s honesty and vulnerability in disclosing his lateness.
My brother in law was always late for everything. Dinners, family events, birthday parties...etc. We no longer speak to each other. I'm in my 50s now and have no time for this crap. You are absolutely correct, its a sign of disrespect and I'm done with it.
I was in the Navy four years, never late & a cop for 30 years, never late. Timeliness rules: On time is late, 15 minutes early is on time and if you’re late stay home. Someone who is always late is disrespectful to other people.
"Everyone likes the comethru guy"- 100% dead on. I messed this up once when I was 19, never again. Learned my lesson and being the dependable rock has done so much for me.
i used to be a chronically late person. now, i'm rarely late. i'm still late sometimes, but those situations are things like train/plane delays, or accidents, or miscommunications. even those, i don't believe are acceptable and if i'm late due to something like that, and i didn't do anything to let people know before they had to commit time to me, then i'm the asshole. so how did i change? here's what i did to fix it: - i prioritized 'not being late' over 'what else could i be doing with my time'. the biggest reason i was late is because i was caught up in something and i didn't stop that thing early enough to make sure i was on time. why? because i didn't care enough about not being late, and i subconsciously, and selfishly, believed that my time doing whatever i was doing was more valuable than the time others would waste waiting for me. - i made it a point to notice when other people were late for meetings with me, and would analyze my own feelings about it. at first i thought i didn't really care, but then i realized that i don't like people wasting my time! surely, if i feel that way, then others do too. sometimes i even count the money i could be making if that person weren't late! - i aimed for 15 minutes early in everything, if i'm going to a place that i don't know, i aim for 30. getting lost is a real possibility and i need to account for that. getting into an accident, bad traffic, train/plane delays, all these things are real considerations that we have no control over but we can account for them. - i stopped relying on my own estimates of how long it would take to arrive some place. instead i google it, using tools like waze to estimate traffic flow. - i changed my work schedule so that it would be next to impossible to be late. i was supposed to work 9 to 5, and i decided it would be prudent for me to arrive at 7:15. - i wake up earlier. when i was commuting to work i would wake up at 0400. now i'm a freelancer so i wake up late (0600). some might ask about cultural considerations. some cultures take 'fashionably late' to an extreme (and you know who you are... i'm one of them too!) as a result, i have an unspoken agreement with some of my 'culturally late' friends and family (who are never late for work, by the way) that we would arrive 30 minutes after the set meeting time, and that if we got there early, we'd be the ones to let them know what to do and where to meet.
respect. organizational operability. preparedness. reliability and professionalism. even sun tzu writes he who is waiting on the battlefield will be victorious. excellent advice across all aspects of life.
I never sweat it when my crew is late, life happens. Id rather have them late then to get a ticket, accident or divorce and we get the job done safely. Learned a lot in the last 30 years being a manager. Worked in all conditions and environments with all sorts of people. It is all made up in the aggregate. Life isn't perfect, neither are you.
@SomeGuy you're intentionally missing the point. The majority of people at my job are constantly late, and they always have an excuse for it. Everybody props each other up with excuses of why it's okay, and it spills into other areas of performance though they don't realize it.
My dad always said - be on time (be early leave late) - things don't come to you, you have to go out and get it. - have respect for yourself and your work/job - be presentable - keep your word or stfu
Jocko nails it again. I would always start meetings on time, even if my boss was late. First time he apologised and said, “right, let’s get going”. I replied, “we started 15 mins ago, this is where we are up to”. If you delay a meeting for a person who is late, it teaches those that are late that they can be even later. It also teaches those that are present they can come late. No! Meetings start on time.
Jocko didn't get it, but Echo's rambling story reveals (maybe unconsciously) the real reason why people are habitually late. Echo was resentful that he was doing something for someone else that wasn't his job and wouldn't be appreciated. So he reclaimed his independence in a passive aggressive way. Instead of confronting his wife and telling her it wasn't his job to get the tomatoes, or instead of accepting that in fact it was his job to get them, he just got resentful of his role and so he chose to not do his job. This suggested to his wife in a passive aggressive way that she shouldn't put this burden on him, and it let him reclaim his independence and autonomy without being up front about it. Being late is the same: it comes when you want to assert that your needs are important but you don't want to state it directly. So you subtly let people know that you are important and there is a limit to what they can ask of you. You assert yourself by making them wait for you, so that now you are the important one. Instead of being responsible, setting clear boundaries, embracing conflict and being a stand up guy, you instead avoid conflict and say yes to everything & everyone; then you get resentful of that burden and end up asserting yourself by being late and making them wait for you and pay attention to you & your importance. It's messed up, but that's what happens. Being late is a passive aggressive behaviour and its underlying cause is avoidance of conflict and a failure to assert yourself in a normal & healthy way. It's not enough to say that it's unacceptable and it shows a lack of respect for others' time. The question is why do you want to disrespect others' time? Because you resent them. Why? Because you believe you are giving them too much. Why? Because you are not asserting your own needs.
Perfect attendance for four years during an apprenticeship. I brought everyone coffee and newspapers in the morning so I had to be earliest. Always had work and money in my pocket up until I got sick probably from over working but hey when your in your twenties your unstoppable.
Great points regarding selfishness (lack of respect for others), reliability and dependability. Half the battle in business and life is showing up... on time and prepared. Thank you, gentlemen!
Disagree sir. I value my time more than you do i guess. Also, why would I give a shit about what my boss wants from me? I don't work to make other people happy lmfao. What a loaded crock of shit. Respect, why? Because they pay me? They pay me because I do a job for them. I show up to do the job an I go home. If they think my work isn't good enough then I'll get a different job, makes no fucking difference to me. This ain't communist China sir. I've actually found life to be more tolerant to people like me than suck-ups like you. No one is gonna thank you for showing up early. No one actually gives a shit. And if you think people give a shit about you being 1 minute late then you're also deluded. They're just trying to set an example, see the sort of shit they can get away with. Be a bit more selfish, JESUS. No one else is gonna be selfish for you.
Rifleman114 being an hour early is great if they respect the fact that just because you arrive early is for you and you are doing this to be ON TIME and NOT SO YOU CAN INCREASE YOUR HOURS and there for themselves
For as long as I remained an employee - trading time for income - then yes, that philosophy worked. As a business owner and investor, I learned the hard way how that type of mindset was often a huge hindrance to profitability and achievement.
I was always early to work, but only my boss would be there and it would be awkward until everyone else showed up 5 minutes later. So, I started showing up at the same time as them until recently and now I'm actually later than they are. I decided just because they are behaving badly and not getting punished or corrected doesn't mean I should bring myself to their level or lower. Despite getting no punishment or correction either. Being early or on time is just the right thing to do
Thing is, when people do see you as a reliable individual, if and whenever you are late, these same people will show the type of care and appreciation of not having you around, even get worried that something happened to you. Being on time and always showing up definitely builds team trust with its leader.
What about a person who's always on time but is a lazy worker? Being late is unacceptable to some people because they only focus on that but not on more important stuff.
Seems like an obvious answer, fire lazy workers, fire workers who can't be bothered to show up on time, fire anyone who refuses to accept the bare minimum standards for the job
@@nightfighter7452 what he said... being lazy and not doing your job at all is putting yourself up for firing.. Being late but still useful is just a slight attitude and respect problem.. might still get u fired but yknow.. different game
This isn't a one or other thing. Being a lazy worker is also unacceptable and they should receive the same consequences. The point was lazy is not an excuse, even if they ARE a good employer.
Totally agree. I have grace for someone if there is an occasional mess up because of unforeseen circumstances, but if it is constant it gets on my nerves. I just had to deal with someone today that was close to 25 minutes late. I had some things to do so I told them just to go ahead of me. I have had this conversation with this person several times so today I had to take another step. Absolutely… When people are constant they are reliable. When they are not it is disrespectful to our time.
I'm like Echo. Being less than 10 min late everyday, I thought I was doing alright because I worked well once I got started. Really, it was immaturity.
Punctuality is about self respect. You're never going to respect others until you can respect yourself. You make not like your life or those in it. You'll like the people you are early for. And they you. Don't let your surroundings stymie your success. Rise above to your destiny (and be early) to it.
I am one of those people that are always late but a good worker. I agree 100% that it is something that nobody should do. I am working very hard to never be late to work again.
Me too man! every single week 2 or three times... If I add up every time I have to wait I would end up with at least 4 extra hours every month... never been paid for that. I need Jocko here to teach these !£"%*&(*@ a lesson.
My boss had to take his kids to school after our nightshift, so he had to leave on time everyday. Thing is he couldn't leave the store until another manager got there and they would be late almost everyday. They might show up in 10mins or 2 hours and would never call. Favoritism protected those guys.
It really depends on what you are doing. Time is an illusion, it's only important if other people also need to work with you, our you need to be there to respond to others. If your work is tasks to complete, as long as you get them done, a minute or two doesn't matter. Making it a hard rule is dumb with no reason.
This is great material thank you! I really connect with what Echo Charles said. I have a problem with showing up late, when I arrive I do deliver great results though. It’s really good to have men just explain what you fellows have explained. Thank you. I think this is good to help me change. It’s a long term pattern for me of being a late. I want to change it badly
If you are a good performer who doesn't show up / is reliably late then really you still have responsibility for what happens when you aren't there. If things fall apart in your absence it might seem like that this emphasizes your unique value but in reality it shows an area where you failed to follow through and missed achieving results. Reliability is often more important than performance because people can improve performance over time - if they are showing up - but if they aren't showing up to begin with it's very likely that they aren't very aware of at least some of their own performance problems and are thinking that because they are performing well in one specific way, they can ignore a bunch of other things that matter more than they realize. Awareness, results, and performance itself all are impacted by reliability.
I find that, be it conscious or subconscious, people who are late simply don't value other people's time as much as they do their own. And it's obvious how this is detrimental to the workplace but think about what this says about your relationships. If your partner or your friend is consistently late, consistently making you wait, what does that say about how much they value your time? What does it say about how much they value you?
Jocko, I love what you do and what you stand for, sir. This podcast has changed my outlook on life for the better and will continue to do so. Thank you for the inspiration. Additionally..... those SOG episodes are absolutely incredible! Listened to them all about 10 times each. And Roger Hayden is the man! Keep them coming : ) - Sam
I'm glad I watched this. I've watched for a few years and when this one came up I didn't even want to watch. I was late to work today but still out performed my colleagues. I hate it in my subordinates, I need to look at myself.
Jocko’s answers to questions are like song titles for a post-grunge 90’s metal band. Singular, stand-alone words of the most intense format and meaning possible.
In 27 year career as FF/PM with an 84 mile commute (in SoCal traffic!) for most of that time, I was never late, including getting hit and having my truck totaled on the way to work. I did have one shift that I did not show up to work at all when I went on vacation to Mexico not realizing my vacation day had not been hired for. Talk about a bad feeling when I checked my voicemails that night and hearing the recordings from work making where I was and if I was OK.
This advice applies to everyone. There are people who are late because it feeds their ego of being important enough to work for. I have a 'friend" who I used to exchange reflexology with. We lived 1 1/2 hours away. When I traveled to her I made sure to leave extra time and I was on time by being early. When she traveled to me 9/10 times she was late, sometimes getting their 60 minutes late. She sometimes blamed the traffic, but it was disrespectful of my time for her to do that. I no longer accept this from anyone. Everyone in my life loves, honors and respects me, or they are not in my life. cheers.
I cook sometimes for groups. I do not buy things the morning/night of the cook I buy then the weekend before. I'd rather someone be late with the right item then on time or early with the wrong item. If I ask for 2 jalapenos and an anaheim and you come back with 3 bell peppers.....then that is worse than not going at all cause you spent time and money on something I will have to spend more time and more money to fix the mistake and that's when I can find the time to fix the mistake....do it right for sure
Being on time can be detrimental to being reliable. I'm a late owl and made the following adjustments. I cancel everything that doesn't fit my schedule comfortably or I tell them upfront that I'll be late. And I cancelled all jobs and opportunities that don't fit into the time of day I'm most productive. (10am - 9pm) I'd rather move closer to my job or quit than trying to be an hour early. I tried becoming an early bird and it almost cost me my job, because my performance tanked so much. I'd rather have a surgeon who's 5 minutes late but goes through the checklist once more than one who's on time but overlooks a splinter because he's on a timer.
I work in the fire service. Our shift starts at 0700 and ends at 0700 the next morning (24 hour shifts) it’s paramount and a common courtesy to show up around 0545-0600 and make your relief an hour before shift change. If you don’t show up no later than 0615 you’ll be considered late.
Great Convo, I am Echo. I think people who are late really don't understand why being late is such an issue. I never made the connection until hearing Jocko's point. Thanks for this insight.
Thank you for the validation that I could not get from company management. LPN frequently late for 12hr shift, especially after I come in 15min early so he can go to meeting then the next morning can't be at work to let me go home on time. First brought to mgmt (2 people were always late) they made excuses for them and poo,poo it away. I person left but the other still came in late and lives 5 min from work (I'm 30 min away). Finally, took matters into my own hands, told him Repeatedly that it was Just Disrespectful !! No more complaints to office, just changed my schedule to not come in early for him anymore, anytime !! I agree, that it's habitual! ! I am never late, always leave early in case any traffic issues. I know after 12hr I want to go home, and I know that my Co worker is also ready to leave. I should forward the video to mgmt after I find a new job.
Thank you for this. I will never never be late for anything ever again. I have have made a lot of changes in my life to be a better person because how can I be the beast I know I am if I don't live it in every way in my life. Thank you for the inspiration Jocko
I think that a company should look the other way a couple times a year when you are late, BUT that also means that you should eat it a couple times a year if you need to stay a bit late. if either gets out of hand, then you need to reset the boundaries of your employment.
Good question for example.I have a start time but not an end time.And yes i am Hourly. I get the respect thing 100. By the same token.. Like me i am always.. always..late on Mondays.My Supervisor wouldn't mind so as long as i 'Got it Done".Truth be told i would save the company 'labor" hours/ money.because I could and would go in there and "get it done" faster then anybody but yet i would get in trouble. so yeahh they switched my schedule i no longer have to work early on Mondays.LoL
My father taught to be on time is to be late., to be early is to be on time. He was a US Army Korean War veteran, and I put six years in the Navy and Lebanon. This is a winning combination. Use it all of your life it's worth it.
Nice, i had a boss who would schedule a meeting for 30 minutes and shows op 45 minutes later. And i am the one who was disreseptfull. Thanks Jocko, sometimes you have to move on, something i should have done sooner.
@@petermoore115 Of course. Which is why you tell her "I'm leaving at X time. Whether or not you are ready at X time, I am indeed leaving at X time. I repeat, with or without you I am leaving at X time."
@@petermoore115 yes, work relationships and personal relationships are different but being on time is still important for both relationships. My wife is notoriously late to everything. I would plead with her to do what ever it took to be on time but as you stated, I am not her boss and she will do what she'll do. So, I just started purposefully being late to everything that was important to her. She was a bridesmaid to her friends wedding and I "lost" my shoes and made sure I made us 30 minutes late to it. We were meeting HER friends for dinner and I made sure I was 45 minutes late meeting them there. After a few times of me showing her what it feels like, she started to get how negatively her lateness was effecting our relationship because it was finally effecting HER. Being late every now and then is normal, constantly being late is a character flaw.
Part of being a “good performer” involves respecting the truth of your responsibility as an employee, which implies being on time. That’s part of the job.
@@jasonbures9965 I think its person by person. I work nights 60-70 hours a week. Plus have to do the typical person stuff bills, errands, emails, house works etc... When I go to bed I set three alarms 15 min apart and all my clocks are 12 min ahead of time. When I wake up I'm so out of it the first 15 min that I think the clocks are correct move a bit quicker then realize once I get to work I have 30 plus minutes of time I get to relax and read or listen to a podcast which is cool to me
And always follow through on your word. I was raised your word is a type of pact or commitment and if you follow through on what you say you will do, people respect you more and remember that, even if you think it goes unnoticed. I find this a trait overlooked when defining manhood, just like eye contact/good shake, greetings matter
You know how you stop someone from coming in late? You tell them to stop disrespecting everyone elses time and then give consequences for when they're late. Usually a wage deduction works nicely.
At a previous job, my boss would deduct 1/2 hour for being 1 min late. He also gave an extra 1/2 day pay for every month of not missing a day and being on time. It worked rather well.
I think it is incredibly important to be on time and not waste other people's time. However I am so disasterous with scheduling and planning i am not able to keep up. It is what got me in a slump and find out i was going for 25 years with undiagnosed attention deficit disorder. Now i put in work, every day to be organised. plan out what i do and when i do it. It is a lot of work but it helps. 2 years ago i thought i'd have to drop out of graduate school. Now I know I'm going to crush that degree. Thanks for your advice.
That's all fine and you shouldn't be late. But construction bosses want you 10 mins early and and stay 15 minutes late. Then you never see that time on your check.
Jordan Peterson says: Speak up. But have options just in case the boss won't change. But if you're suffering, you have an obligation to seek your justice. You have to endure poison, however, you get to choose which: robbed time, speaking up or finding a better company. Some bosses suck, but not ALL suck...find a good one. The ones who don't speak up have nothing to do with your standards...
Sky bird yea man but me getting paid weekly is more important to me than getting 15 or 20 mins extra on my check if I’m late and lose my job then what all because I was mad about making 20 more minutes on my hours all excuses are lies I try my best to always be on time
Very useful information. I think if more people were properly educated on the importance of being on time, there'd be less people who would be late in their adult lives. I live in El Paso, Texas. A few years ago we were supposed to get a Six Flags here. The reason we never got it was because our city representatives were always late to the meetings with the Six Flags representatives. Sucks, man.