Ben 10 Lore: "Every time the current Ben meets his future self, his future immediately changes & that future version is no longer Ben's 'true' future." Omniverse: "I'm going to ignore that."
It has never been said anywhere that Ben's future changes when he meets himself in the future, in fact, this canonically makes no sense, since Ultimate Ben remembers everything that happened in the past and in "Let's Do the Time War Again" , Ben literally knows himself from minutes in the past and the future doesn't change. Furthermore, Paradox and Azmuth state that Ben has a great future at the beginning of UA, which indicates that they know what will happen in the future and that the future will not change. Personally, I like to think that Ultimate Ben is the future of Ben Prime, and that Ben 10k from OV is the future of Ultimate Ben. Furthermore, time travel never created different timelines in Ben 10. Changing the past changes the future, OS Ben 10k was always an alternate timeline according to Paradox and Dwayne Mcduffie. And in the episodes Merry Christimas, Paradox, Time Heals, Secret of Dos Santos, etc; when the past was altered, the present was also altered, but this did not create an alternative timeline, after all, new versions of those who traveled through time in this altered history were not created, in addition to Paradox explaining that if the accident that made him a time walker was prevented, he would cease to exist and all the good he did would be undone. Alternative timelines arise naturally, and not because of time travel, like No Watch Ben Timeline and Gwen 10 Timeline, which were not created due to time travel, but rather emerged naturally.
@@da-vidcargill4975 No, Ultimate Ben was said to be Ben's real future, so he certainly destroyed the prototype and probably made another Ultimatrix after years of using OV's Omnitrix. Furthermore, Paradox confirmed that OS 10k is from another timeline
In my head cannon Original Ben 10 k lost feedback (but) never took off his watch, the trauma of losing his favorite alien (his favorite part of himself) causing him to get more serious, I’d say he splits off from Gwen and Max when he was 12, casusing Them not to meet Kevin and reform him, kills Vilgax around 15 and imprisons Kevin in the Nulvoid at 16 leading to a different type of rooters arc
He then hinted that Ben will understand being a hero is not about fun. And Kevin didn't got cured by Kwarrel, he eventually got his Human form back but is still mentally insane.
The young Ben who appeared in the fight against Aggregor is also the Prime Ben of Alan Paradox. He erased his memory when he brought him back, but it seemed that he was still remembering what happened in the form of a dream.
You also have to consider that ben 10k prob punched the timebomb because he knew how events would unfold since he already lived that as prime ben. If the ben 10k before him performed a similiar action, then he prob replicated that to have the most accurate future that would guarantee them the win.
it's my theory that the timeline between the classic Ben 10k and UAF Ultimate Ben diverted the exact moment that classic ben learned that "sometimes its okay to go ben" and then took it literally where he never wanted to go alien
For OV Ben 10k I think that the only reason he decided to attempt to punch the Chronosapien time bomb was to make sure timeline was kept the same or something like that
He had to remember and present Ben was destroyed that time so he couldn't know and he was clearly surprised so this guy is flat wrong yeah pretty wrong he wants to finish off canon
They are ALL Ben 10K Prime just alternate versions. OG Ben 10k being OG Ben without the time travel. Alternate universe is a completely DIFFERENT thing.
I think for ultimate ben, Azmuth probably didn't think he was worthy of the completed omnitrix for whatever reason, and then he later used his aliens to figure out ultimate ben and master control. As for the design the watch probably has an alter function?
It was never said anywhere that Ben 10k from UA never had the Omnitrix from OV, he may have had it and after years of using the Omnitrix from OV he made a new Ultimatrix, even because the Ultimatrix doesn't even look like the one that appeared in UA and It's shaped like Ben's favorite Omnitrix (AF)
We can say they're all ben prime but a Decision was made somewhere innthe timeline that resulted in the change that's why we see multiple ben10k nothing is set in stone in the ben 10 verse the Celestialsapien( aline X Species) are change the universe every second it's a constant change that's why we'll never see a true ben 10k prime because they're all are ben10k prime
It has never been said anywhere that Ben's future changes when he meets himself in the future, in fact, this canonically makes no sense, since Ultimate Ben remembers everything that happened in the past and in "Let's Do the Time War Again" , Ben literally knows himself from minutes in the past and the future doesn't change. Furthermore, Paradox and Azmuth state that Ben has a great future at the beginning of UA, which indicates that they know what will happen in the future and that the future will not change. Personally, I like to think that Ultimate Ben is the future of Ben Prime, and that Ben 10k from OV is the future of Ultimate Ben. Furthermore, time travel never created different timelines in Ben 10. Changing the past changes the future, OS Ben 10k was always an alternate timeline according to Paradox and Dwayne Mcduffie. And in the episodes Merry Christimas, Paradox, Time Heals, Secret of Dos Santos, etc; when the past was altered, the present was also altered, but this did not create an alternative timeline, after all, new versions of those who traveled through time in this altered history were not created, in addition to Paradox explaining that if the accident that made him a time walker was prevented, he would cease to exist and all the good he did would be undone. Alternative timelines arise naturally, and not because of time travel, like No Watch Ben Timeline and Gwen 10 Timeline, which were not created due to time travel, but rather emerged naturally.
@@OfficialThemeprolairUA 10k and OV 10k are Ben Prime, they were said to be Ben Prime their whole lives, so both are and are the same future in different points in time or Ben could not be the Prime anymore for any reasson
😅 so hear me out here. I like to think that Ben’s timeline is like the swamp from ATLA. That has one giant tree and several roots that grew into a swamp around the main tree. All the smaller trees are deviations with their own timelines and events that happened to shape ben a certain way. While the main tree is basically untouched for the most part. But since we haven’t seen a official timeline or guide as to the events of Ben’s life. We can’t really say what events are cannon and what events lead to what deviations.
all ben 10k were prime ben, but at one point in the prime ben's timeline he made a decision that caused those timelines branched off to become their own realities.
Ben who never encountered the Omnitrix is the Ben Prime, the root of all Ben-s. That is why Vilgax chose his timeline to detonate Chrono-sapien timebomb to erase/uproot every version of Ben 10. Remember? Without Ben Prime's intervention to deliver the Omnitrix, Ben would have never encounter it.
the ben 10.000 with the biomnitrix actually remember that the punch would kill him but if he didn't do it, then the ben without omnitrix wouldn't go to the past with professor paradox and ben wouldn't never get the omnitrix, so he told ben without omnitrix about the cronos sapan, to ben without omnitrix know how to reverse everything. So yes he is the prime future ben 10.000.
It has never been said anywhere that Ben's future changes when he meets himself in the future, in fact, this canonically makes no sense, since Ultimate Ben remembers everything that happened in the past and in "Let's Do the Time War Again" , Ben literally knows himself from minutes in the past and the future doesn't change. Furthermore, Paradox and Azmuth state that Ben has a great future at the beginning of UA, which indicates that they know what will happen in the future and that the future will not change. Personally, I like to think that Ultimate Ben is the future of Ben Prime, and that Ben 10k from OV is the future of Ultimate Ben. Furthermore, time travel never created different timelines in Ben 10. Changing the past changes the future, OS Ben 10k was always an alternate timeline according to Paradox and Dwayne Mcduffie. And in the episodes Merry Christimas, Paradox, Time Heals, Secret of Dos Santos, etc; when the past was altered, the present was also altered, but this did not create an alternative timeline, after all, new versions of those who traveled through time in this altered history were not created, in addition to Paradox explaining that if the accident that made him a time walker was prevented, he would cease to exist and all the good he did would be undone. Alternative timelines arise naturally, and not because of time travel, like No Watch Ben Timeline and Gwen 10 Timeline, which were not created due to time travel, but rather emerged naturally.
Personally I believe Ben 10k punched the time bomb in an effort to preserve the timeline he already knew what nobody else did (aside from paradox ) he knew in order to preserve the timeline he had to sacrifice himself
Ben 10k In classic were ben 10k with 20 year old but ben 10k ultimate is ben 10k with 30 years old but ben 10k omniverse were ben 10k with 40 years old
Clearly late to the party, but, when you said that OG Ben 10k would've remembered that he went to the future and saw his future self if he was Prime Ben, I remembered a line from Sam from Totally Spies which I think would fit the scenario, "the cycle has to start somewhere and it started with us". Future Sam said the same thing, that if Prime Sam was her from the past, she should've remembered that she went to the future and met with her future self. So in my theory, OG Ben 10k was Prime Ben until the moment Prime Ben met OG Ben 10k and saw how much he changed, that experience changed Prime Ben, and thus, OG Ben 10k was no longer the future of Prime Ben.
It has never been said anywhere that Ben's future changes when he meets himself in the future, in fact, this canonically makes no sense, since Ultimate Ben remembers everything that happened in the past and in "Let's Do the Time War Again" , Ben literally knows himself from minutes in the past and the future doesn't change. Furthermore, Paradox and Azmuth state that Ben has a great future at the beginning of UA, which indicates that they know what will happen in the future and that the future will not change. Personally, I like to think that Ultimate Ben is the future of Ben Prime, and that Ben 10k from OV is the future of Ultimate Ben. Furthermore, time travel never created different timelines in Ben 10. Changing the past changes the future, OS Ben 10k was always an alternate timeline according to Paradox and Dwayne Mcduffie. And in the episodes Merry Christimas, Paradox, Time Heals, Secret of Dos Santos, etc; when the past was altered, the present was also altered, but this did not create an alternative timeline, after all, new versions of those who traveled through time in this altered history were not created, in addition to Paradox explaining that if the accident that made him a time walker was prevented, he would cease to exist and all the good he did would be undone. Alternative timelines arise naturally, and not because of time travel, like No Watch Ben Timeline and Gwen 10 Timeline, which were not created due to time travel, but rather emerged naturally.
would love to see a biomnitrix video. The main question I have about it is: it it weaker than the regular omnitrix? Some people are saying its weaker because it has certain weaknesses that the regular one doesn't. For example, its vulnerable to solar flares and EMPs
This is completely impossible, Paradox and Ultimate Ben confirmed several times in the episode that he is Ben's real future, so he Ben's real future, at least until the end of the ep.Personally, I like to think that Ultimate Ben is the future of Ben Prime, and that Ben 10k from OV is the future of Ultimate Ben.
imo omniverse ben10k is ben primes future, each ben10k from each series have been based on what ben would be if he continues like that, for eg classic ben10k would be if ben never took the watch off, however he did, but in omnverse since its the complete watch his future would be him
There isn't even any evidence that Ben10k didn't know his punch wouldn't do anything, It could easily be chalked up to timeline preservation. Like as if he was showing off that even Alien X's power wasn't going to work to the other Ben's
Plus, Omniverse Ben 10k introduced no watch Ben to the clockwork transformation, as if he knew no watch Ben will need that alien to revert the time bomb
But the whole thing with Ben 10 k and time travel is that some things have to happen a certain way for the best outcome. Ben 10 k Omniverse and paradox knows this and that was the whole point of the evil clockwork loop lock he was put in.
It has never been said anywhere that Ben's future changes when he meets himself in the future, in fact, this canonically makes no sense, since Ultimate Ben remembers everything that happened in the past and in "Let's Do the Time War Again" , Ben literally knows himself from minutes in the past and the future doesn't change. Furthermore, Paradox and Azmuth state that Ben has a great future at the beginning of UA, which indicates that they know what will happen in the future and that the future will not change. Personally, I like to think that Ultimate Ben is the future of Ben Prime, and that Ben 10k from OV is the future of Ultimate Ben. Furthermore, time travel never created different timelines in Ben 10. Changing the past changes the future, OS Ben 10k was always an alternate timeline according to Paradox and Dwayne Mcduffie. And in the episodes Merry Christimas, Paradox, Time Heals, Secret of Dos Santos, etc; when the past was altered, the present was also altered, but this did not create an alternative timeline, after all, new versions of those who traveled through time in this altered history were not created, in addition to Paradox explaining that if the accident that made him a time walker was prevented, he would cease to exist and all the good he did would be undone. Alternative timelines arise naturally, and not because of time travel, like No Watch Ben Timeline and Gwen 10 Timeline, which were not created due to time travel, but rather emerged naturally.
Slight argument. What if ben prime didn't see ben 10k punch the chronosapian shockwave? The only bens we know for sure he's not are benzaro and mad ben, as they're the only ones that we know for certain watched him punch it. That is ignoring if i missed the crew confirming it at least.
It has never been said anywhere that Ben's future changes when he meets himself in the future, in fact, this canonically makes no sense, since Ultimate Ben remembers everything that happened in the past and in "Let's Do the Time War Again" , Ben literally knows himself from minutes in the past and the future doesn't change. Furthermore, Paradox and Azmuth state that Ben has a great future at the beginning of UA, which indicates that they know what will happen in the future and that the future will not change. Personally, I like to think that Ultimate Ben is the future of Ben Prime, and that Ben 10k from OV is the future of Ultimate Ben. Furthermore, time travel never created different timelines in Ben 10. Changing the past changes the future, OS Ben 10k was always an alternate timeline according to Paradox and Dwayne Mcduffie. And in the episodes Merry Christimas, Paradox, Time Heals, Secret of Dos Santos, etc; when the past was altered, the present was also altered, but this did not create an alternative timeline, after all, new versions of those who traveled through time in this altered history were not created, in addition to Paradox explaining that if the accident that made him a time walker was prevented, he would cease to exist and all the good he did would be undone. Alternative timelines arise naturally, and not because of time travel, like No Watch Ben Timeline and Gwen 10 Timeline, which were not created due to time travel, but rather emerged naturally.
Yes! It has never been said anywhere that Ben's future changes when he meets himself in the future, in fact, this canonically makes no sense, since Ultimate Ben remembers everything that happened in the past and in "Let's Do the Time War Again" , Ben literally knows himself from minutes in the past and the future doesn't change. Furthermore, Paradox and Azmuth state that Ben has a great future at the beginning of UA, which indicates that they know what will happen in the future and that the future will not change. Personally, I like to think that Ultimate Ben is the future of Ben Prime, and that Ben 10k from OV is the future of Ultimate Ben. Furthermore, time travel never created different timelines in Ben 10. Changing the past changes the future, OS Ben 10k was always an alternate timeline according to Paradox and Dwayne Mcduffie. And in the episodes Merry Christimas, Paradox, Time Heals, Secret of Dos Santos, etc; when the past was altered, the present was also altered, but this did not create an alternative timeline, after all, new versions of those who traveled through time in this altered history were not created, in addition to Paradox explaining that if the accident that made him a time walker was prevented, he would cease to exist and all the good he did would be undone. Alternative timelines arise naturally, and not because of time travel, like No Watch Ben Timeline and Gwen 10 Timeline, which were not created due to time travel, but rather emerged naturally.
I read somewhere that Ov Ben 10k knew that his punch would have no effect but he still had to do it to not diverge from the past/(change what had already happened) just like how Ben Prime had to give his watch to no Watch Ben so that he could give the proto Omnitrix to og ben
There's also something in the episode where Ben faces off against the galactic gladiator, where the lawyer assigned to protect Ben is in front of Celestialsapien after Ben recreates the universe using aliens x he accuse Celestialsapien that they change the timeline and showed a three images to azums from difference eras look like ben 10 Alien force and Ben 10 Omniverse and ben 10 Classic
Nope I don't think that's Ben Prime coz he doesn't remember what happened that day, the small one I'm talking about, however if you take in consideration that Paradox said that it'll be a dream for him soon to be forgotten then he could be Prime because of not remembering it
It has never been said anywhere that Ben's future changes when he meets himself in the future, in fact, this canonically makes no sense, since Ultimate Ben remembers everything that happened in the past and in "Let's Do the Time War Again" , Ben literally knows himself from minutes in the past and the future doesn't change. Furthermore, Paradox and Azmuth state that Ben has a great future at the beginning of UA, which indicates that they know what will happen in the future and that the future will not change. Personally, I like to think that Ultimate Ben is the future of Ben Prime, and that Ben 10k from OV is the future of Ultimate Ben. Furthermore, time travel never created different timelines in Ben 10. Changing the past changes the future, OS Ben 10k was always an alternate timeline according to Paradox and Dwayne Mcduffie. And in the episodes Merry Christimas, Paradox, Time Heals, Secret of Dos Santos, etc; when the past was altered, the present was also altered, but this did not create an alternative timeline, after all, new versions of those who traveled through time in this altered history were not created, in addition to Paradox explaining that if the accident that made him a time walker was prevented, he would cease to exist and all the good he did would be undone. Alternative timelines arise naturally, and not because of time travel, like No Watch Ben Timeline and Gwen 10 Timeline, which were not created due to time travel, but rather emerged naturally.
I remember a old ben 10 ov theory where ben 10k is the real ben10k from the prime timeline and the reason why he did that is to preserve the time stream and needs to do those exact actions to do so knowing that he does come back beacause of no watch ben
Wouldn't it be that since they all share the same past, they are all Ben prime? Since his future always changes, isn't it more likely that the multiple versions of him are all his future? Of course, this could also mean that Ben prime's ultimate future is one where he masters all the omnitrix tech from each of his futures, and those futures either die in a reset, or join together into the main timeline, creating main timeline hyper ben. Perhaps thats why he's still young? He wont age until his futures merge into one and he becomes an adult?
the one in ultimate alien isnt ben primes future tho its stated that hes from a timeline that he didnt have to sacrifice his omnitrix. and so everytime he meets his future self his future changes meaning hes only seen his direct future once and that was the original series and it does change as we later see in the og that ben 10k now has a kid and kevin is evil still. but his future changes as ben evolves so the only version of ben 10k that is cannon is in omniverse.
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Paradox said it best for the Ultimate Alien future, as long as nothing comes to change it, Ben's future will be the same. ben's future has changed multiple times due to branching actions that change his future
@@greymatterfanboy4256It has never been said anywhere that Ben's future changes when he meets himself in the future, in fact, this canonically makes no sense, since Ultimate Ben remembers everything that happened in the past and in "Let's Do the Time War Again" , Ben literally knows himself from minutes in the past and the future doesn't change. Furthermore, Paradox and Azmuth state that Ben has a great future at the beginning of UA, which indicates that they know what will happen in the future and that the future will not change. Personally, I like to think that Ultimate Ben is the future of Ben Prime, and that Ben 10k from OV is the future of Ultimate Ben. Furthermore, time travel never created different timelines in Ben 10. Changing the past changes the future, OS Ben 10k was always an alternate timeline according to Paradox and Dwayne Mcduffie. And in the episodes Merry Christimas, Paradox, Time Heals, Secret of Dos Santos, etc; when the past was altered, the present was also altered, but this did not create an alternative timeline, after all, new versions of those who traveled through time in this altered history were not created, in addition to Paradox explaining that if the accident that made him a time walker was prevented, he would cease to exist and all the good he did would be undone. Alternative timelines arise naturally, and not because of time travel, like No Watch Ben Timeline and Gwen 10 Timeline, which were not created due to time travel, but rather emerged naturally.
It has never been said anywhere that Ben's future changes when he meets himself in the future, in fact, this canonically makes no sense, since Ultimate Ben remembers everything that happened in the past and in "Let's Do the Time War Again" , Ben literally knows himself from minutes in the past and the future doesn't change. Furthermore, Paradox and Azmuth state that Ben has a great future at the beginning of UA, which indicates that they know what will happen in the future and that the future will not change. Personally, I like to think that Ultimate Ben is the future of Ben Prime, and that Ben 10k from OV is the future of Ultimate Ben. Furthermore, time travel never created different timelines in Ben 10. Changing the past changes the future, OS Ben 10k was always an alternate timeline according to Paradox and Dwayne Mcduffie. And in the episodes Merry Christimas, Paradox, Time Heals, Secret of Dos Santos, etc; when the past was altered, the present was also altered, but this did not create an alternative timeline, after all, new versions of those who traveled through time in this altered history were not created, in addition to Paradox explaining that if the accident that made him a time walker was prevented, he would cease to exist and all the good he did would be undone. Alternative timelines arise naturally, and not because of time travel, like No Watch Ben Timeline and Gwen 10 Timeline, which were not created due to time travel, but rather emerged naturally.
