More BRD facts: 1. Librams and other materials used for Arcanum enchants are looted within BRD (leg/head enchants) 2. All Dark Iron based BS recipes had to be forged at the Black forge in BRD 3. There is a portrait in front of the coffer room that reveals which Dark Keeper is up so you can loot the Dark Keeper key 4. The dungeon is awesome.
Eric Black 1. You are wrong. I have shown my account history several times on stream. Started playing in early Vanilla. 2. 4 million xp to hit lvl 60. Halfway mark is around level 47. Thats why I said “VIRTUALLY” half the game. 3. People ran BRD all the time; yore experience was either isolated or just blatantly wrong. 4. Making money off RU-vid? Is that a joke? I left a career as a PM to grow this channel. I was making sooooo much more before, but this is my passion and I have loved every minute of this. You need to chill dude.
@@ericblack2252 a classic wow account seller telling a passionated classic content creator he is only doing it for the money? Should we take you serious?
The epic drop rate on 5man Dungeons was retarded low. For all the years i farmed BRD I never had the epic mace drop off the emperor. Same with Scholomance's epic Staff. Never had that drop and we'd farm it 5 times a day.
If you aren’t seriously guilded and do a full BRD run and pull your weight, you WILL have a guild by the end. Those 4 players are probably your new best friends
Being a healing priest in vanilla, there were so many times I had to go to that place for guildies. A handful of those people I went with, I'm still friends with to this day. Best dungeon ever.
Know what gave birth to the seemingly ubiquitous concept of dudes in a party of different classes going into a "dungeon"? Tolkien's Moria. Know what Moria was? Ancient Dwarf City, boom BRD wins.
Of course you are right. At it's heart WoW is really a variation on Dungeons and Dragons, and D&D (the real D&D, using the classic kitchen table platform, not a computer game) came out of LOTR.
BRD remains my favorite dungeon of all time to this day. Fun fact, I never actually completed this dungeon in vanilla. The furthest I would ever get is the Lyceum but continued wipes would always cause people to quit and I never got to finish it until Wrath of the Lich King.
The logic usually was " How far will we go this time ? " or " What am I going to discover this time "....or " Who will leave the group first? ". I still remember the first time I've stepped inside Thaurissan's hall. That was after many runs, since level 51 or so. Crazy.
BRD runs on private servers are really hard to find cause no grp can manage to agree on which bosses your going to kill and usually wipes on the gunman room
Really depends. I usually bring guildies in there, and then we decide when we go in what we're doing, usually go snag the arena just for the fun of it, then its off to do either a quick incendius magnus emperor run, or a full clear with jailbreak and the whole deal. people just have to know beforehand what needs to be done, and they'll stick with you if they have time for it.
My favourite dungeons back in vanilla: 5. Maraudon. Not a popular choice for sure, yet it was brimming with character and that sense of adventure, or being part of the world rather than an instance. 4. BRD. Even solo'ing it during the TBC pre-patch was a joy as a Rogue, sneaking around this sprawling maze and unlocking all of its secrets. Fondly remember uploading a video of it to WCM, though most of my memories consist of spending ages to form groups for it and even longer to clear it. 3. Scholomance. Still have vanilla nightmares of old-school Rattlegore absolutely destroying everyone and everything. Always have a soft-spot for the creepier dungeons and the undead-based mobs. Back in the day, it was clear sickening antics went on and exploring that aspect was fascinating. 2. Diremaul. Another explorable dungeon with hidden factors, special encounters, and feeling like part of the world - all with meaty lore and being yet another layered dungeon. 1. Stratholme. This will forever be my favourite vanilla dungeon. Never got that blue skeletal mount, but we did save the lady at the end numerous times (was always a fun challenge). Any time I got a group together for this, loved it, as well as the fact that the quests were related to the Argent Dawn which became my favourite faction of the entire game back in the day. I can totally understand the love for BRD, but Stratholme, Scholo and Naxramas where were I went from being hooked to being an outright addict.
Been saying the exact same thing for years Black rock depths is so huge! 1. Bosses 2. Extra Bosses no longer listed 3. So many quests! 4. The size! 5. The Environment is astonishing, even now! 6. It’s so big, there’s an inn that a band plays at! 7. Raid entrance! 8. The boss fights themselves! 9. The materials and the professions vendor 10. The brew fest boss fight scenario happens within the inn in this dungeon That’s 10 things! So far, I haven’t seen a dung top this! It’s amazing, I like to get on my max level characters and explore for hours!
Even after playing vanilla for years, BRD is still impressive. I remember running it with my rogue friend, who wanted the barman shaker, which was best dps for a time.
Also; it was not forgiving, if the tank made a bad pull it's a wipe. mobs at low health used to run away from you to get help and because the instance was dense with mobs in most locations this often meant paying attention and CC'ing mobs at low health.
Oh, those patrols! You either had to move the fight to an adjacent hallway or be really pro and down every mob before a pat joined the fight, potentially pulling another, nearby group. Not to mention the low-health mobs fleeing to find assistance. You really had to keep a tight fight, total lockdown. BRD was so good.
Glad to see someone who agrees with me on this dungeon. I absolutely adore this place. The detail, the multiple paths, the secrets. My friend and I would take people on full runs in the dungeon finder in Wrath and people would be amazed at what they never fully saw. 100% best dungeon.
MAn I love your videos! You should start doing guides preparing people for what is coming and what to keep an eye for while leveling. What quests chains to unlock and follow for each zone. Bis quests items and rewards. What instances to run while leveling. What attunment chain quests to search while approaching lvl 60 like the onyxia or MC ones. What to do AFTER reaching 60. Keep it up!
@8:00 That's what I miss the most about classic WoW. Content remained relevant for a long time. Now the game just feels smaller. It doesn't matter how many raids they make, only the last released one is relevant. I raided from Classic until Cata and I personally rarely felt much joy even when I got BIS gear, I knew it was all getting replaced by normal difficulty gear as soon as the next raid came out.
@Tips Out .... few more things you forgot to mention in your list of BRD facts... 1. BRD is the only area where you actually can interact and BENEFIT from being in Ghost Form. 2. You can learn the Dark Iron Smelting ONLY in BRD while in Ghost Form from one of the ghosts in catacombs. 3. BRD is a source of many Attunment quests for old school raids with many crossreferencing quests to achieve these goals. Im sure there are more but last I played Wow? was many many many years ago. Good old times.
In Live, BRD exists in its entirety, but the Dungeon Finder only gives you the first 3rd and last 3rd of the instance - there's a big chunk in the middle that's missing. What's worse, that chunk that's missing has quests in it, that you get at the start of the instance. So you get the quests and your group will kill the final boss for the Dungeon Finder run and then leave.
Absolutely loved this video! I was never a real instance runner in Vanilla WoW, mostly getting into it after BC and then going back to the older dungeons for the sense of adventure. This was before the loot system had become so homogenized that gear wasn't even worth carrying. Yes, any loot you found in vanilla was arguably rendered obsolete with the first quest rewards in BC. However, the final bit of the vid touched on the very thing that made instance running special: the sense of accomplishment. BRD was more than massive, it was GARGANTUAN! I recall several groups spending four hours traipsing through the halls and only making it half-way before the bags filled up, or a member of the party had to depart. But after all the traps, the fights, the bosses, and the stories, when you finally conquered Emperor Thaurissan, at the ultimate end of the Blackrock Depths, I felt like I had truly accomplished something grand. It was truly the end of an epic, world-altering adventure. Blackrock Depths truly is the greatest MMO dungeon of all time.
I remember when I would farm BRD for weeks on my engineer to get the old Repair Bot plans, back when it was absolutely necessary for MC raids, unless you wanted to wait around for 10 minutes while everyone hearths back and then gets summoned back the warlock.
First time I did this dungeon was back in Wrath while training my first character, with a bunch of other low level peeps. We were all new to the game, stupidly thinking that BRD would be fast exp lmao. We spent a solid 6 hours in there wandering around completely lost and confused. It was such an amazing night. Felt like such a proper dungeon experience lol. We actually ended up clearing the entire thing, and we celebrated lmao
oy lad ye re talking about me home there ... used to hang out in it just for the grim guzzler pub and its dark iron ale.... and as a blacksmith i lived practivcaly in there to smelt the ore and to craft stuff, not to mention everytime a group arived on thaurissan's throne someone wat on it and took screenies with the others on the seats bellow it ... while usualy someone recited... " before the time when the oceans drunk atlantis and the rising of the sons of arius came an age undreamed off... and onto this came (insert char name here) destined to bear the jeweled crown of BRD uppon a troubled brow"
IMO, the major reason making some vanilla dungeons so awesome is they are non linear, there’s no 1st boss, 2nd boss, etc. You can choose your own path to do the dungeons which make exploration more fun
BRD was always my favorite dungeon and I've spent countless hours clearing it over the years as it was always my favorite. Glad to find out there is an objective reason for this. Thank you. Subbed and liked!
People didn't realize that during the vanilla wow, internet connection was mostly modem and its hard to get 45 people to login on the same time. 1-4 hours waiting time is common and fck the adventure of going in with a massive gamers was a feeling of invasion. But those were the days, that was the game changer.
Since the first time I visited this dungeon it was always my favorite, all the way through the early days of vanilla to my departure in the end of the Lich king. And now you gave me a perspective to why... truly a masterpiece!
As an old vanilla WoW player, I feel like there's a bit of exageration in this video, with how you keep saying it's genius, un-paralleled and the best ever across all MMORPGs. As someone who was trained into the arcane arts of level-design, I also applaud the way John Staats made this dungeon to have a bit of everything to make it really look like a city with its tavern, factory, dormitories (though a bit small) and ... I guess celebration hall (the Elysium?). I'll admit, I completely forgot that the doors at the beginning had to be unlocked with the shadowforge key. That's one big blast from the past. My personal best memory of BRD was to solo run and swim in lava to the forge near MC's entrance to smelt dark iron ores. That was like going on a commando mission, having to go in fully prepared with food to regen on the very small rocks in the middle of the lava river and healthstones to use while swimming. :3 But I mean come on, the boss tactics we get in bosses today are far superior to what we had back then, and art-wise, Blizzard goes further and further as time passes. Although, yes, BRD is un-paralleled in size. For now. Sadly, as much as I *LOVE* the ability to choose what path we take (going to the prison, the circle, Icendius or the Grim Guzzler), it just doesn't work with the way the game operates now with LFG and dungeon objectives. People in LFG will almost always want to go for the fastest way to finish the dungeon objectives. Though Blizzard have made some changes to that to give incentive to clean more of the dungeon... The obvious thinking there is that this kind of dungeon can only work in a Mythic only setting, with people who are here for a challenge. Guess what? 8.2 will add Mechagon, what Blizzard refers to as a mega-dungeon, which should be about as big as BRD (in theory) with 8 bosses, and it will be Mythic only. I'm actually curious to see how BRD will hold up in the Classic WoW servers, when the players will go in with the experiences acquired from today's WoW. Truth is, there's no mysteries to uncover for most of us, anymore. Will BRD still be a dungeon that takes so long to complete?
NOt bad dude. True I was enamored by BRD when I was in my mid to late 40s back in 2004. BY the time my guild was raiding, I took the time to sneak into it alone, and pickpocket and solo as much as possible until I hit molten core and kept dying at lvl 58-60 ( Yup, that was the level cap back then lol)
I miss things like this in games... hopefully classic brings back the ideas of adventure, discovery, and "hard work" / commitment. Especially to those that didn't experience vanilla or TBC
i still wont ever forget my first BRD run. the warrior in my group got ironfoe. i played a boomkin at the time cuz i didnt know any better then, but still had a ton of fun pvping on him.
I love BRD. People who complain that it’s too long have to realize it drops amazing / a lot of BiS gear! And just because it’s long doesn’t mean it’s poor, I love every part of it.
I know it'd feel far more rewarding to spend 2-3 hours on a dungeon crawl, emerging from the depths of some harrowing & complex adventure through a daunting labyrinth with outstanding loot & crafting mats; than to blitz some random island, senselessly carpeted with mobs for me to farm like some cheap county fair kiosk. There is a place for quick, linear, deliberate & intense dungeons. Sometimes, it's great to just sprint in & get shit done. On live, I wish that place was found in the form of some world-drop 'widget' that led you to such an instance... a slice of the world map, or truncated version of a dungeon; with all the coordination demands of high M+. Perhaps a feature such as this would free up the devs to return to the philosophy that inspired them to make these old classic dungeons so massive & epic.I sure wish they'd use the instances as a foundation for the story driven content found in the dungeons, & not the dungeons themselves;, as the case is now. All that being said... I don't know how you can get close to BRD. It really is just simply the best.
Good memories. In Vanilla-WoW I practically had my residence inside BRD with my warrior because of the dark iron contents ... always there to forge. Then again, wasn't the this the only instance where you "had" to die to get the key-quest starting?
God damn it, you made me spent 50 $. BRD and those good old days. Glad I could experience it at its time. No in-game map dungeon back then, have to have a sense for orientation in these days.
Blackrock Mountain as a whole was truly one of the greatest things about vanilla WoW. It was a zone in and of itself made up of a hub area and purely instances; can't forget about Blackrock Spire! Also a good one, though the lower part is much more labyrinthine than BRD. I do remember having a bitch of a time doing the Onyxia attunement quest. You know the one, the escort mission. Never really liked the holding cells because of that. BRD always amazed me, though there were a few bits that could get on my nerves. The aforementioned holding cells and the big Moria-style encounter were annoying in my opinion, but the rest was great. It's biggest strength was also its greatest downside: you pretty much had to make a plan with your group as to which route you would take. Going for just the escort quest? Only the lower dark iron part, or were you specifically doing the fastest path to Thaurissan? I didn't have a guild dedicated to any of this stuff back in the day and making a pick-up group for this instance was hell. Same for Lower Blackrock Spire (Upper was no big deal as long as you could find someone with the key; nobody wanted to get the key though). I think my favourite part of BRD was the arena encounter, and the fact that you could go up to the stands after that and behind them to defeat another boss. Super fun!
I don't respond to "well what do you...?" and "source?" trolls but WoW is basically just a copy of everything that was in DAoC. Nothing Blizzard has made has really been original. Diablo = Nethack ripoff Warcraft = Warhammer plagiarism Starcraft = Warhammer 40k plagiarism Overwatch = Team Fortress WoW = EQ/DAoC mostly Dark Age of Camelot instead of Everquest contrary to popular belief. Blackthorne = Prince of Persia/Flashback
I don't even have to watch the video to agree. The place is amazing. Walking trhu it feels epic. It must have been a great city. The architecture is just wow
I thought I was the only one that felt this way about Blackrock Depths. There's just something about Blackrock Depths that makes it feel so immersive. To be honest, something just feels different from any other area or zone in WoW from the moment you enter Blackrock Mountain. Upper Blackrock Spire, Blackrock Depths, Molten Core, best dungeons and raid EVER (and no, I don't mean best ever as in best boss fights, difficulty and all that other chet, I mean it in the sense of how immersive it made me feel). But yeah, hands down to Blackrock Depths #1!
Loved the vid. Anyone else feel like no other mmorpg really scratched that itch for aesthetics themes and just overall gameplay that wow provided? Nothing else really captured me or drew me in as much as wow did no matter how good it was
That dungeon was a nightmare with random groups if you wanted to complete your quests. It took HOURS and people didn't have the patience for it, always resulting in people leaving and you having to start over from the beginning spending another 2 hours with a new random group just to get back to where you were since the new people wanted to do the quests you already completed. No, f*ck that dungeon lol
this was such a great dungeon in vanilla and so hard and I never got to see the end of it cuzz it always took so long, once I think I spent all day in there like 10 + hours and we only made it about halfway.
I just want to go in to get some blacksmithing done, instead I'm pulled into 2 hours of killing bosses, loot drama, confusion over the path, players ragequitting, and in the end I don't even get any blacksmithing done.
A dungeon literally larger and requiring more time and effort to clear than a lot of the raids in the game. If you started and ended with the same 4 other people it was like being in a foxhole with them.
Even before this video, BRD, (and only after that UBRS and LBRS) are the instances I would like to see the most in Classic WoW. If possible, full BRD in one go! Sounds like an epic journey! :O Full Maraudon aswell.
4:15 Wow, this guy is therefore a contributor behind almost all the stuff, that I liked the most... BRD, Karazhan, BRS, Scholo... even WSG! Wow, impressive.
BRD is the best dungeon in WoW yes, but most MMORPGs before WoW did not instance dungeons and therefore made dungeons absolutely massive to be able to incorporate a few different groups doing it at the same time. BRD dungeon design was kind of the standard back then and it's a shame how instancing and linear dungeon design has since become the norm.
I loved this place during Vanilla. Never did a raid for it, but I DID do 9-12 runs. Yes, 9-12 per DAY in this dungeon alone. This included wipes and finding new people when needed. Would I do it again? No. I would not. I rather like quick dungeons that BC/Wrath/+ introduced. In fact... I hate BfA's easily wipeable Heroics, as someone on limited play time. Mythic+ I understand but not Heroics. Ah well.
Imo SM is better purely based on its lore. I do love the huge sprawling dungeons of vanilla tho, sucks that we really haven’t seen anything similar since.
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I spent 8 fucking hours in BRD in the age of yore and STILL didn't manage to finish the fucking thing. Its _huge_ level range and size was a soul sucking test in futility. Seriously, you either spend the first half too over leveled to get any worthwhile experience, or you start out at the right level for the first half, but get fucked over for the last part, where you're not strong enough to finish it. I feel like this fact is almost never addressed in these nostalgia videos.
sounds awesome, but have you played Guild Wars 1 dungeons? some of the hardest and plot richest dungeons ever made. People literally spent thousands of hours playing the same dungeon over and over.
BRD categorically is the best MMO dungeon of all time and I don't even have to watch the video to agree with you. There's no way you can get that statement wrong. Insta-like.
BRD is more of a raid than it is a dungeon, and that's why its the greatest dungeon. I don't like BfA's dungeons because they want you to go fast, sometimes taking things slow and they often exist as dungeons and not real places in the world that Blizzard could simply put into the game if they choose to do so. Thanks for making this video Tips and I really enjoyed it. Keep up the great work and hey, in only a few days we'll be able to say "Classic is releasing later this year" and hopefully play the Alpha long before then.
It's by far one of the most tedious dungeons in the game. Shitloads of routes that don't go anywhere? Check Bosses with such terrible drops groups skipped them completely? Check Lots of backtracking like the tomb raider key treks were good? Check Loot that didn't match the the fact that whilst you were supposed to be able to do it around level 50 almost everyone would only go at max level Check I think in vanilla I completed it possibly twice because people would lose the will to live half way through and drop out. Having so many bosses also meant that lots of people I encountered were only really willing to do a couple of them, this would either result in them causing a fight about it in the group or just kinda ducking out, normally after the bar(especially rogues) It didn't really help that both the MC and Onyxia attunements required you to go back there either and that those were really glorified busy work. I'd go as far as saying every single other dungeon and raid in blackrock mountain is considerably better than the shithole that is blackrock depths.
I was in the lower spire part of this instance the other day, and my healer made us skip almost the entire dungeon (even the boss i needed to complete the quest) because it's "more xp". I whisped him to tell him how stupid that is and he told me, "when you're as seasoned as me, you'll understand." I've been playing BC. Honestly feel bad for him, like why are you even playing this game?
@@8jaytee yeah first run will you just need to know the mobs, how to pull them and also the layout of the dungeon and which order to do it in. Once you get that down you can run every boss in a couple hours even if you aren't 60. Wipes obviously slow it down but efficiency comes with time.
