Worst MMO Ever? - Trove 

Difference between studios centered around people who actually help build the game vs studios led by financial executives. In german its called BWL or Betriebswirtschaftslehre, basically studying how to make the maximum amount of money. Thats ruining games and studios.

Destroy capitalism -> Get eternally good games.

@@benni5541 Wait a minute... I go to university for BWL

capitalism has a tendency of making things worse.

@@SeppelSquirrel No, destroy capitalism and get no games. There's no utopia. No perfect system. But at least we do have stuff now.

RIP what cube world should of become 🙏.

what ever did happen to cube world?

@@Tyler-og6hj I think there was just nothing for years and then they changed a lot of stuff in it that made the game no fun. I don't remember much more

@@couch9416 No, you're pretty much spot on. Developers did a beta everyone loved. Went silent for *years* and then popped out the game suddenly that was nothing like what was previously showcased.

@@Tyler-og6hj it's eventually got released on Steam but with really bad choices of the gameloop which killed whole game completely. Only few things left from previews on official dev-blog. Tldr: It's on Steam And it's not worth it (Can be fixed with mods thou)

God and they ALWAYS came at the worst times

I just started today so thanks for telling me about that

Bro it once crashed and just fucking bricked my PS4 💀

@@Papi_Buzz Hello??? ☠️☠️☠️

@@eagletgriff ?

Yeah i just quitted trove

it was amazing

Which streamer?

@@teamemrakul2550 i dought they are still streaming it, he was talking about in the prime days

can u give me flux then lol

t r u e

LOL

what does that mean?

@@marvelinopanjaitan6076 in movies they don't want to get strikes/law suit for using someone's product or game so they make their own with cgi and it usually looks like a mobile game mixed with a shitty forgotten mmo of the 2000s

@@jkeebla true

This is exactly how this and wakfu feel

@@j-lo2098 Man, Wakfu makes me depressed. It could be such a good game (and it feels like it used to be), but it would require the devs to actually listen to people or play the game themselves.

@UwU DahWholesome Sadly, it's ptp (and it had some ptw elements, but i don't how is it now)

@@j-lo2098 It's a Shame that there's not a Lot of wakfu content besides low quality tutorials

cubeworld ugh never talk about that game and its devs

If you mean clubworlds then those still exist. Its just that they are way more expensive to make now. Its like 200 golden souls and 25k flux.

Actually Golden Souls arent that bad, i used to farm them in the Dragon fire peaks, theres usually massive underground shapestone veins all over for thousands of blocks far apart, 1 in 5 shapestone ores there tend to have golden soul and sometimes you get two or three per ore. In an hour id get about 45-60, and id sell them on the marketplace for a thousand each, make lots of flux and buy everything else i needed, was fun messing around with the marketplace

They are in the corner of the map…

@@shawnhiggins1005 Really? I'll have to check the next time I log on. Thanks!

​@@zzzdarkcloudzzz4233it's not bad if you're really willing to spend an hour just pure grinding, doing nothing but mining, listening to the repetative march of the sound track, the repetative sound effects of that laser and of blocks and random in world mobs exploding, the ring of you getting every block, knowing you will not experience anything new sure

They are still free, but the newer ones are harder to craft and depending on your free time, it could take months

@@TheDosss Months? maybe if you are just started the game. You can buy premium coins for ingame money and then buy the classes or whatever you want in the shop. Kinda grindy but not the worst system

they need to make money mf

@@user-yr5yl6zt5l yes but no. Trove was originally made by Trion Worlds same as Rift but Trion was acquired by Gamigo which is just a holding company that doesn't make games. Their job is maximize short term profit for their public investors. As such they're okay if a game goes under in a year or two so long as it's profitable for that long since they didn't have to pay to make the damn game to begin with

I remember I was there and as things kept getting locked behind money I left

Yeah I used to love this game but I was never invested in the story and never progressed that far sadly

yea it was rly cool but the developers added very little content apart from more opportunities to make money

I must not have played at it's peak then, because the trove I remember had big guilds getting other guild's clubs shut down by reporting them to staff until they would cave, saw this happen numerous times whenever some smaller guild club started getting attention.

yea when trove first came out and the beta was great till they started stacking the cash shop with everything should have made it cosmetics only

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a woah dont single me out XD. shadow hunter sniping through walls

If I had a dollar for everytime I've seen a comment in similar tone to this on this channel, I'd have about $60. Sucks to see that the #1 killer of ambitious new MMOs is the nearly suicidal drive to over-monetize.

Used to love Trove, now, it's just that ex-gf you cant forget because of good memories and when you try to reconciliate it's not the same thing and the taste is bitter

I used to play Trove back then, as new classes and biomes came out and discovering things simply took time. Ah the Candy Barbarian release was fun. What a shame

back in the day when gunner and the knight were the default classes you could choose. good times, oh yea and the fun of grinding shadow towers early on (which are now pretty much useless)

The game is still kinda good just annoying If the devs didn't go the greedy route and made everything untradable This game could've been one of the best online games ever

Oh boi, the people at GAMIGO are at it agian!

@@elonleon4452 oof, true

I remember getting myself and roommates addicted to this game back in the day...I think I was the real villain 😬🤣🤣

Same

@@elonleon4452 Actually, they're probably all bots. This wouldn't be surprising.

Back then I had a weird goal, I was obsessed with sonic so I wanted to try and get the highest movement speed on my character, think I mostly succeeded and stopped playing.

I wish i could thell the original trove developers: "ay, go work with veloren" It's better open-source cube world

@@guilhermedalazen1366 whats veloren

@@strong541 a open-source project with tons of voluntary developers trying to achive what cube world didn't

@@guilhermedalazen1366 i looked it up using my pea sized brain idk why i didnt google it thanks for the info though

@@strong541 try playing It, you might see me around

That was like the end game for me, collect every “skin” in the game and repeat whenever new designs were added in the next patch

just like in GW2, love that mechanic, totally stealing the idea for my wannabe mmorpg minecraft server.

u missed the part when u realize that all skins are reallly bad... and dont match together at all. (except maybe chaos chest skins)

Yeah, and finding unique loot is a way of progression cause you can get notable rewards and a bit of extra stats

@@TZARpixelforge I'd say that's subjective

They removed shadow towers???

Wtf they removed shadow towers? Havent played since like 2015-16

No more shadow towers?! That actually sucks, it was so cool hopping into one with lots of random people and just having a blast killing the bosses

I replayed this game a few months ago, the shadow tower is still in the game but it is not randomly place in the world map. You have to queue up in the shadow tower map and choose the difficulty.

@@muffy_bunny They replaced shadow tower by delves. iirc shadow towers were a lag fest they couldn't fix so they removed it and redesigned the feature

easy to say, harder to do when a soulless corporation is offering you enough money to never have to work again and you get to retire in a big pile of cash. it's really just a problem with our current economic and political systems where we're all living under the constant threat of homelessness and starvation if we don't play the corruption game.

Why do that when you can get rid of capitalism instead? Would be easier too.

@@joshbull623 no better alternatives

@@videoms1271 Democratic Socialism.

@@joshbull623 Lol funny

you can also buy credits with flux. it uses the same system wow uses, one buys it for real money and sells it in the shop for flux. grindy as heck but it is an option.

I Wholeheartedly agree with all your points. I used to play trove many years ago, on and off, played a lot over the pandemic as well. within the later stages of the game it is essentially just doing the same events, grinding the same few dungeons, and working on the gems and masteries for your characters. Some of my best memories within Trove is honestly just the times which I ran through the world soloing dungeons and chatting with friends in VCs, rarely about the game but just life in general. The creativity and potential for expression and experimentation was also a really fun part of the game, finding the right setup or making the best cornerstones, etc.. I do have to add though since you didn't really mention it, I never really felt like the pay to win was really shoved down my throat in the game, I feel like the game establishes itself as a grindy game early on and almost everything within it can be obtained simply through a long and tedious grind, whether or not the grind was worth it in the end never really mattered because in reality you still may have learned something new like a new way to gather, a new route for any dungeon, a better understanding of the value of items and if all else fails then a funny story to tell to your friends. The game definitely made people aware of the pay to win options but nobody in the community really encouraged or despised it, it was just an option that some people might have had and wanted to go with.

that is waht i did back when trion still ran it

Bro ur making me feel soo old, I'm 25

@@franciscopereira5760 yup. I was out of university for 5 years before this even came out.

easy answer is dont listen to him. he didnt play more than 10 minutes

when i was a kid i played this for 25 mins got hella confused my adhd kicked in and quit

ikr like i just wanted to remember having fun on this game but here comes random generic british dude that cant be happy with anything besides like elden ring or smth

same dude! i played to the point where the only way to continue progressing was to pay lol

I got like 5 dragons, too much grind

you can get them without paying (I've done that, own like 40 dragons now), but it takes forever.

@@nykom yea i got one and have to agree, the coins are so much of a pain lol. its sad cause it didnt used to be like it from memory... i remember back in the early days when you could earn coins and souls and stuff from hourly challenges. i still got a soft spot for this cause this is game got me through my school years without eating a bullet but yea.... its a grind fest

I feel the pain.

Reminds me of Star Trek Online and their monetisation techniques. But yeah sometimes I don’t do well if I’m tossed into an open world with insufficient instructions on where to go. The Hinterlands in Dragon Age Inquisition was one and I know there have been more but I scant remember which one.

Ah, Zelda breath of the wild was a big one.

@@mikoto7693 The difference is an open world has to encourage exploration. Here, it seems like there's very little reason too, but in BOTW you can run into like 7 different shrines to collect stamina and health boosts on your way to see the main quest, or you can just talk to npcs and see what they tell you to do. Also you do get a quest marker in BOTW as soon as you get off the plateau. Tells you to go to hateno village, which has a few people who ask you for stuff, and a place to buy some nice gear. After that you get 4 big quest markers, one for each quadrant of the map, and again plenty of stuff to do along the way

Yeah, the grind was the main killer for me. Like warframe it felt like most places where either a cake walk or beat-you-down-till-you-quit hard. Rarely in between.

i remember playing this with 3 of my friends long time ago. A year ago we decided to download it and see where we left off only to find my account was deleted while my friends werent. Trove support ticket said they sold the game to another company and they had to port over the game which resulted in some lost data. Shame Lost my money and time.

Oh my god, you absolute legend!

that's because of max crit hit starts, bassicly get good gems than make sure it has 3 stats from the beginning & those stats are: physical/magic damage (depending on ur class), crit hit, & crit damage, this basically 1 shots everything & if u don't know about this strat it makes the game seem like it has a difficulty curve

@@flyingduck91 oh alright thanks. ive actually been replaying the game recently so thats very useful! tbh back when i played a lot i didnt know about gems at all.

@@idoblenderstuffs yeah, watching gem guides is useful, I would recommend scyushi's videos

@@idoblenderstuffs so the game is shit because of your Lack of knowledge, i get it now thanks💀

Clouding your judgement that is was better than it actually was? Its better now, and quitting for that reason? Kinda weird cuz you dont need to buy anything 👌🏻

@@sukaikitsune well you either need to spend literal thousands of hours getting the new classes, or 50 usd. How is that balanced? I mean, the cash shop is not pay to win, it's pay to win faster. That, and there's some mastery items that can literally only be purchased for real money.

@@thehaveninthehand you dont need Max Mastery

@@sukaikitsune sounds like a new player xd

@@sukaikitsune don't buy anything and grind 200 years for a 10 minute content, yeah sure.

similar experience here i loved trove so much before and now it feels like a sad mess, i used to go around helping new player getting gear/lvl and adding them just to powerboost them a bit, made some great friend, some i still play other games with. i stopped playing a year ago and whenever i see video about the game i lose the will to go back

used to play trove as well (yes, a thousand hour in steam), only discovered it in end of 2015, although officially started playing in 2018 before geode was here (in march), mained dracolyte that i got from the starter class coin thing after initially giong for the tomb raiser, ive made new friends but most of them are just abyss for now i quitted trove live in 2019 or 2020, going to pts (idk why lol it seemed more fun for me), and then literally quitted trove this year god i will remember the good memories i had such as dragon hunting and pinata parties

Explained pretty much my experience Addicting, but not in a bad way, until the "addiction" became an horrible experience, the addition of crystal gear and whatever hell that new space biome was killed it for me, the game used to have its biome and its world, that update was a new start, only 10 times worse In the end it was for the better i think, it was just grind, it got too slow and too inorganic and therefore i quitted it, and played objectively better games, alltho i kinda miss the level ups and the improvement of my characters

Also, this game is mostly made for kids. Sure you can have some fun with it from time to time, but if you're treating it like you're treating your normal, teen/adult mmorpg then you're gonna be disappointed. It's like going to McDonalds and complaining that it's not as good as Beef Wellington or something. Kids don't like complicated stuff, they would rather eat nuggets than a michelin restaurant's course meal. It's long time, but not serious, and I think it's good for what it is.

Considering I had played for years (on and off) when I found out you can craft classes. Easily was able to pump out all the basic classes and 2 or 3 of some from the other tiers. Though, the high tier classes looked like they would take forever.

Took me like 100 hours to get all The classes exept The bard

I remember I was full F2P and had all classes maxed out with BiS equipment, had a big ass guild and it was really fun, stopped playing a bit after they released lunar lancer

The only classes that took me months to get were the Bard and Vanguardian. The rest took me only a few weeks for most of them, and about a month for the rest.

trove doesn't explain it really, it just drops the few "primal" colors so building mode doesn't fill up with them. then theres the cube factory that actually lets you change the type of block and the color of it.

@@normundsozolins2391 mhm, it’s all self exploration

I love that spell you're thinking of. That, Magnificent Mansion, and that one that summons a ethereal castle full of knights and servants who follow your orders are some of my go-to spells in a D&D campaign.

That's a really great idea. It would also promote the usage of "spaces that have mismatched interior and exterior sizes" thing that old games (like Banjo Kazooie for example) used to do. I miss that, it's a neat little thing that's easy to do in a game, but [obviously] impossible in real life.. and it just makes it feel that much more foreign/magical!

@@vahlok1426 Cozy Cabin is actually a spell in Pathfinder 2e and it's closer to tiny hut

@@katiehesse6578 It must be more then, because Tiny Hut just makes a climate controlled safe zone. No extra-planar space or anything fancy.

@@vahlok1426 Cozy cabin in pf2e just summons a normal 20x10 cabin that lasts 12 hours

Sounds like Warface :/

Cubits are literally useless. cuz classes (i don't know if the old ones can still be get via cubits) but the "super hero" one and the dino tamer can't be bought but crafted i think at a ridiculous amount of resources.

I also wanted to add that it was cube world inspired and not minecraft inspired.

@@squidbluie6813 I would say it combines the two concepts. Visually and in terms of combat it's very CubeWorld while also adopting Minecraft's building and terrain manipulation.

The best episodes of this was the tera and Neverwinter ones...because Josh play it before. It know how's it used to be, and can tell us. We could see more episodes of this whit guests, or whit an interview

But then you're getting the perspective of someone who obviously enjoys the game. Creating a heavy bias.

@@anactualloaf8134 The goal of bringing someone in isn't to get their opinion on whether or not the game is good. The goal is to get an idea of what content looks like when you've invested 10, 100, 1000, 10,000 hours into a single game. Even if you were to get their opinion it doesn't mean they're going to have a positive review. If Trove is the example, most people will honestly tell you that the servers are not great. All you have to do is go on steam and you'll find negative reviews where people have thousands of hours in a game and continue to play.

@@Clobek oh you mean as a collaborater

you are 100% correct and oh boy does that resonate. You deserve your awesome space ninja moments and metagamers/high mr players ruin it for a lot of new players just by existing. When you see us, 99% of the time we are there to get one of x resource, not to do the mission or enjoy it, it's a 3 minute chore we do to play other missions. It's a sad state of affairs and taking time out of your day to play with people isn't what warframe encourages, sadly. I stopped helping people solve shit in WF, feels shitty being the jackass who solves everything for others and just making it all about me, me, me and always being best. Mind you a lot of entitled players scream at me i should solve the puzzlesfor them. I just refuse to. I explain to them how to have a 100% solve rate and just encourage them to fuck it up instead so more gameplay happens. Not everyone is happy about it but made a lot of people say thank you too. I've become more of a mentor than a player these days, it's more fun that way seeing people see interesting stuff the first time around than just breezing past it all since i have already done and maxed it all. Playing with people far more fun than playing "for" people. Low ranks is where the fun is, honestly, i'd never abandon my achievements and gear i collected but i also can let lot of it rest now, i don't NEED to max every stat every time, but it's a hellish attitude adjustment you need to undergo to get there. Well, unless it's my personal idiotism project of getting a gun that i know will not work out for me have 6 forma on it just to make people cry "why would you do this". I'm probably down and loss of some 3k platinum i could have sold this year just giving people free mods and gubbins and vaulted relics so they can do what they want to do better without me telling em "that's bad" or "it won't work" even tho i objectively know that it won't make em best. Slow rolling the game has made it feel alive again too, and a lot more social which is a saving grace for a mr30 vet who was laser focused on being the "best" for a good while there. Upon reaching that status, i quit for four years, i came back and started taking it all on humor and fun evolved out of it. It was strange coming back to a game where the hardest on-going difficulty (steel path) was my mr8 test to be part of my guild years ago. Kind a underlined how hard i went on being super good at it. I wish i did not. It honestly does fuck up the game and your own experience trying to meta it and i can't really blame the playerbase running after the rabbit, that's what everyone presents as gameplay. It's just not what game's good at being, imho. Looking back at it, i should have just enjoyed it calmly, being a stupid space ninja and screwed stuff up more and bashed my head harder at the puzzles instead of looking up guides. Main issue with WF is that the community is fractured as heck, doing all the sixteen thousand different separate things at once, there's no line of progression and nobody plays the same game from the same position towards same goals. Even if you do find same mastery rank dude, you will have so wildly different progression you aren't doing the same things or might not even understand what they are doing. You HAVE to actively choose to take part in others progression and skip yours to get the fun out. Is that a bad design or is the game better for it, dunno. Fun is back on the menu tho. Lowkey grateful there's no explanations in-game so I can help people be surprised. But there damn well should be a long goddamn read-me in-game you can reference instead of relying on wiki's and having phone open constantly while you play.

This is too real stop. I make a conscious effort not to fight actively if I'm tagging along with new players because I HATE this kind of thing, it takes away so much of the experience of the game for them. I'd much rather share the *idea* of the game with them, and if they like it enough to play it themselves, I'll help out where and when I'm wanted. I have also been the noobman tagging along with my 1 or 2 top level buds clearing every enemy and leaving me oblivious to the effects of my abilities in practice. It's never fun, it just makes it hard to learn (which is something super important to do and key for a lot off MMOs)

That's understandable. I think you should get matched with people around your level so you wont get carried through the dungeon/instance and have no fun. But if the game does it right (like Guild Wars 2) then it's amazing. I personally love group content, that's why I play mmorpgs, otherwise I'd play single player games. Are you disappointed about being carried or about playing with other players? Because if it's the latter I wouldnt recomment mmorpgs. Tgere's a few you pretty much play solo, like BDO or Warframe. Otherwise there's a lot of great games that have group content and you're gonna have a lot of fun without feeling like the younger brother since people are around the same level.

Yeah a similar thing happened in Phantasy Star Online 2 (not new Genesis). When Episode 6 released, it changed the meta that you had to grind mobs that had greatly reduced HP in dedicated level-up quests for hours and hours before "the good stuff". That said new players could actually score hits on the dedicated level up quests provided they knew about their own (not explained by the game at all) gap-closing skill, but it was still deathly boring for everyone. I probably would have quit if I joined at that time, but I was lucky enough to join when getting to the "endgame" was actually fun. (Then New Genesis came out and it was my quit moment.)

the thing is, speed in warframe actually has almost nothing to do with your mastery rank. if you learn to use the mobility tools effectively, you can go through levels just as fast as anyone else. of course, any boss without an invulnerability phase will still die instantly because there is no combat balance in the game. this is a classic case of what the video points out: two totally competing elements, one being a mobility-based game centered around farming items as fast as possible, and the other being one where you have to aim at and engage bosses thoughtfully. it's nobody's fault; it's just poor design

No good mmos anymore its a dying genre for now

@@siluda9255 well, I think Lost Ark is a good MMO, and I dont think its going anywhere… well, NA EU release might if Amazon ruins it, but KR and RU should stay around for a long while

@@brokendoop none

@@siluda9255 FFIV would like to know your location…

@@gamingmoyai3950 there is a item shop but you have to access it from the website. Stop spreading misinformation

Ya i remember playing back in the day. Endgame farming was fun to me. Kill boss, get good loot, get good stats, reroll stats. Then you could do it on other characters. Simple but effective and fun. Now its all about run super fast to the end of a dungeon, kill big boss, repeat. It sucks

ya and what got me was just repeat till you get better while getting nothing but junk.

i think crystal gear was the worst thing they ever did like i remember if you saw someone with stellar gear you know that they knew what they where doing now you cant even tell if someone has c4 gear cause its so bland

I played before Trove and what you just write about crystal gear idea sound awful. Stelar gear should remain the Endgame gear. What about they thinking?

The tutorial was so much better back then like everything was explained/done in the world you would play in and it gave you a simple direction to get to the next portal in the tower which meant interesting your power level then the next and so on until you got to the end game

wait even if you are the owner you can still lose ownership?! also yea i pretty much did the same thing, it got too boring and it felt like nothing was challenging other than leviathans which are boring and i slowly just left ( this is from an ex. top 1.5k neon ninja in pr )

@@Forsefire It's so bad, me and my brother owned a club world with both of us as the admins. Precious memories ruined by this new shitty system that assigns ownership when you're inactive to someone active below your rank, if the club officer is offline then it could be A MEMBER. Holes in the buildings, bomb scars. You can turn it off in the club settings AFTER your new "owner" is also inactive and you reclaim it.

@@gimbly8801 Club Permissions > Rank > Presidential Candidate

well how about spending 2 months to grind PR like i did hahaha.... :(

@@itsmeadam_ laughs in 28k pr before leviathans released

You can still build just gotta be in build mode

Skyrim had fun quests?

who the fuck wants to finish ""fun quests"" skyrim?? wtf??? like just play morrowind????

@@rusm5710 no, but you get the point they're trying to make

@@rusm5710 Yes or else it won't be the highest selling elder scrolls game.

Sell it? The devs basically _went out of business_ and Gamigo scooped up the remains.

@@Ithirahad With the way Trion handled things, that's probably accurate

@@MadjGB its 100% accurate, im almost certain trove was their cash grab to try and keep themselves afloat, unfortunately between their contant server failures and the fact its nothing more than a dungeon crawler not a forever game it just wasnt enough

The devs didn't sell it The game was fantastic until the gem update and while yes the gem update did add a lot of new things it was also the update that made and started the cannot be traded items era which killed Trion worlds and Trove.

@@huskar2021 they did sell it. The original devs sold it to Trion Worlds which was later sold to Gamigo

Oh uh now there is no cash only classes and it's been more than a year for a certain.. You literally can craft anything, and it's not that expensive, i have like... Almost every class by not even grinding for them, but there are also two new classes that are really hard to get, meh, but still... Possible i guess🤔 anyway please do not come back hahah

U can craft the classes. Everythings free in trove u just need to farm to get it

there has literally never been a time in trove where you could get classes with only money. i can say this since ive been playing since 2015, they moved classes from class coins to chaos combinator. so instead of oh i got a coin let me grab X class now. its let me see if i can craft X Class. there is now harder to craft classes such as solarion but nothing impossible. (and no more buying with cubits which thank fuck, cubits are hell to get and having to waste them on characters when you can buy gem converters constellation keys potions emblems skins ext ext)

its very hard

that is kinda funny

Yea spent years grinding but end up stopping after finding out i cant transfer my ps4 stuff to pc

@@Litwolf9 you can? What about from pc to ps5?

@@Zioni21 cant my bad

Trion employees openly exploiting features 💀 that's funny. At least you guys had passion and played your games unlike most companies lol.

Bringing your own alts is still a thing if you play from the Glyph launcher. (You can have several game windows open with different accounts on the same computer)

Love it. Got a buddy who does it still now lol. He keeps trying to get my old account. We used to box realm of the mad god HEAVILY. Till we got #1 guild out of memes 😂. Good times.

I will admit, I abused the simple client/server communication system and built a followbot system. You'd once or twice see 10 players walking with

robocraft was crazy

Yeah

Robocraft have since removed the P2W transactions, but it'll still never be as good as it was before.

Trove was the first game I played seriously too. It’s definetly not the best or worst mmo ever but it was a really good game at its peak and will forever hold a place in my heart

agreed

The house isnt useful in this game anymore since you can press ctrl A to travel anywhere now (Which is so much better) its just a pot refiller Before you had to craft and place portals in your cornerstone (house) or club world

@@Alx56 well not really most of the portals have always spawned in the hub. the crafted portals the only one was i think u8 which was the highest i believe at the time. and radiant skys. all the others could be found in the hub. since like 2015 when i started. unless you started in like alpha.

Dude, I've also got 500hrs in the game so far... your comment just sounds like a nostalgic lense, rather than the games current existence... Yea shadow towers are gone but Delves are literally the same thing just a different map and more generous, I did play the game in 2016 as well I remember shadow towers, they weren't as different as you remember just a bit less repetitive than delves are... Also yea the Bard is impossible to craft (the trading market doesn't even have enough Bardium for one person to craft the class), that's basically the one class you are forced to buy... and Vanguardian annoyingly takes like 2 months, or less, to collect the materials for (still did it tho')...

@@Aquabrandon44 delves absolutely killed my joy for this game way back when they were added

@@kyros1283 This. The whole delve update and having to essentially replace all of your gear and gems yet again was the end for me. Sounds like they did that again with the light stat too, which wasn't a thing when I quit. It definitely peaked just before the delves.

I have palyed since beta, and basically left the moment the game properly released. I have checked out the game like 5 times since then. The shadow tower has gone through so many changes, and I honestly think all of the versions should have stayed. Shadow Towers used to be in the main open world. But, not the dungeon. No, you would rarely get materials to make a shadow key (I have no memories of how exactly this worked, but it was the qthulhu stuff, either that or that was the reward and you straight up got the key, it has literally been years) and that would create a portal. And often times after that due to the value of shadow towers everyone would jump in. It would normally be an instanced dungeon with multiple floors that was randomly generated and was quite difficult. Sometimes it would even be a wave based arena. This was eventually replaced with the same exact system but you had to place down the entrances yourself; the shadow towers would no longer spawn in the open world. They then eventually overhauled the entire ass system. I played this probably once or twice so this is bare memories, but this is half improvement half ruination. The dungeons I believe were still accessed the same way, but everything mechanically was generally changed. First: the dungeons were now somewhat tailor made. The randomization still existed for most of the system, but the final floor had a special boss, not just a random enemy out of the pool. You know what the boss is going to be before you even enter. Second: No keys required anymore. You just access them, but I believe you had to be in a guild (or whatever they're called in Trove) to really get in. This system was actually pretty neat as the game improved some of the grind for the first couple hours by making it more unique compared to the rest of the game. But less randomization means it gets a lot worse with grind. And apparently now the towers don't even exist. Really should've kept every single version of this system, each had its own merit and own fun.

i used to play this game too,i started as a warrior,got myself a necromancer and them the Undead one that looked like a dullahan,i dont remenber well his name, the costume stuff that was destroying items and getting the looks was cool,i found a nice looking dragon head for my dullahan,i made my cornerhome a HUGE Skeletal Skull of a demon,and inside i haved like 4 floors or something like that. i remember that at least 2 newbies through that it was a dungeon.but it was my home. man it was a good game,i played it for months,sadly that it die by microtransaction,like a thousand of games.

yeah that just opened so many memories man

For me it was building a candy barb class that couldn't be killed

I loved being able to backflip in the air at high speeds from dungeon to dungeon with neon ninja. Good memories

Literally 1:1 with my experience. Was about to quit the game when i decided to try ninja and that kept me on there for a while.

Maxed out its energy and speed. Lost account with 2015 limited items ...

... since the Shadow Towers died out and all their loot confiscated to be placed in another biome the game's staleness has moved from the tower; the ST remains only to collect the titles after boss defeats, no other reason.

​@@fieri-malum I never played shadow tower, is there TOTALLY no reason to go there?

@@thazmania120 yes and no. No as in there is no significant loot in it as of 2023. Yes because if you're "collecting" badges, there are several like example Defeat Darknitk Dreadnaught on hard 300 times.

​@@thazmania120 back in the day stellar weapons uses to hit hard 😢

I was once one of those people who had to slowly whittle down the last Revenant's health bar while everyone else was dead. Playing on the Archer with like 30+ jumps made it very hard for anything to hit me since I was basically flying. Took me like 15 minutes since my damage was shit but I managed to do it a few times. Man, Trove used to be so fun...

I recently started a couple of games that I always kind of avoided as they didn't look like my type of game. Instead, I ended up really liking them, and it was a really refreshing experience. Sometimes, you've just got to put yourself out there and/or go into a game blind to see if you like it. Playing the same Call of Duty or Madden game copy and pasted for the 50th time can get super boring.

That's a pretty good idea. As it stand now, the rating system is mostly useless anyway.. but if they made it so that micro-transactions made you get some sort of "secondary" rating type thing, that'd be neat. But then again, I don't think the kinds of kids who are using their parents credit cards on these games have the type of parents who care about ratings in the first place, ya know? Honestly, I think we should just make the whole loot-box thing classified as gambling (and thus 18/21+), because that's what it is. Doesn't fix everything, but it's a start!

@@idontwantahandlethough just make microtransactions a hard R18+ rating. Parents will happily give out M and MA, but only the most negligent parents would allow little Timmy to buy something in an R18 game, and at that point, I think Timmy kinda deserves to empty his parents bank account anyway...

@KOTNW yes, and?

@@theapexsurvivor9538 Microtransactions arent nescessarily bad, and in some cases the only way some games keep maintanence and updates coming. It all depends on how its integrated, and making sure its not P2W

It is possible to play Trove at a high level without spending any money. I used to pay for Patron but not any more, its not essential. I bought the Sweet sixteen pack a year or 2 ago so I could unlock the Vanguardian but I didn't have to, it was my choice. Many of the classes can be crafted quite easily, though not the Bard. I'll probably buy the bard eventually if the game doesn't die first. Buying the Bard isn't essential, you don't have to have it. Sometimes I go for months without playing Trove and to be honest when I return it never seems to have changed much. I think P2W in Trove only gives a slight boost, you can play Trove perfectly well for free.

"a new player who literally grinds like its a second job" the entire game has always been grind, it just happens that the grind used to be fun and they have made it infinitely worse not just through monetisation but also simply expanding it with every major update. The main part of the game once you have a piece of gear you like is increasing the rarity and god knows how long it will take you to get a full set of max gear

Literally today, Hbomberguy dropped one of the best and most interesting Game Reviews not made by Josh Strive Hayes.

​@@divineholinessjr Yeah, it's a scale, expanding the grind = more opportunities for monetisation.

Mag rider is for music! not a true vet of the game unless you mention this.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tT9DXJtwcOw.html .

A slight correction: Neon Ninja was added way way way before Shadow Hunter. It's one of the characters introduced in beta versions of the game.

Same. Tried out the game last year and it had deleted my progress on all characters. Wrote to support and was told they were currently looking into it. Still haven't fixed it.

wait really? i had a candy barbarian that was decked AF and tons of flux, are you telling me all tahts now gone??

That happened to me too! I was maxed in beta, came back for delves and stuff and my stuff was gone. Opened a ticket with support and they DID resolve it relatively quickly. Logged on a few days later and my stuff was back to the way it was.

Lol i’ve just relogged after years and my stuffs didnt disappear

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He just looked at the game for 2 minutes, he thought gamigo made this, do you really think he knows anything deeper than that🤣

@@sukaikitsune bruh, he has an entire video about how gamigo buys declining MMOs and destroys them for profit. he knows gamigo didn't build this game

@@DavidJCobb he said "made by gamigo" are you shitting me rn?

Oh I loved your mods, I was one of the heavy mod user that had hundreds of mods installed since the old "override>.blueprints file" days, it was very nice to see your mods actually made it into the game. Really a shame of what the game is now.

Yep geode was a total kill, but like an idiot I kept playing lol. Got maxed C3 gear and new gems. But then delves happened, FCK that.

I remember finding this game randomly (I think it was Steam that recommended it to me) and going "Wait a minute, is this just cube world but developed?" and, yes that's the vibe I sort of got and I absolutely loved it. Played 100 hours in about a little over a month. Then, I got to the beginning of the "endgame" and everything went to shit. I started running around with no idea what to do because I felt soft-locked at my power level, and the things I was told to do to progress were so hard I basically had to beg stronger people to come carry me through them. This was in 2018, and the game had been good for so long that I'd been lured into paying 35 euros for some nice things and a class, but then I just had to stop playing because it felt like I was wasting my time

Yeah, it was really fun at some point, my brightest memories with this game were running around behind the streamer doing endgame content and vibing with guildmates but at some point it just became boring and I dropped it. I tried to get back into it a few times after I left but there was so much new stuff that I was always completely lost on what to do so at that point I'd either have to start a new account and lose all my mounts and stuff or just stay at hub and chat. Shame it turned out this way

Mate I’ve just downloaded it back fuck the haters, a disgusting amount of hours on the shadow dungeons and fishing in my club world

I personally started playing Trove at its launch. With the loss of Cube World and just the idea of a kind of MMORPG Minecraft I was in. Launch was a mess, crashes and queue times hours long. Didn't matter to me much, I played as much as I could when I could and I loved it regardless of the mess. I can forgive a game a bad launch when interest is so clearly high and hyped. Grinded myself a Sky Portal, built my own club world and hand designed giant swords jammed through a fae forest. Worked my way through earning every class, designed a weapon for the gun users, a pair of wooden pistols (took them over a year to get them in the game for some reason). But then things got more pay to play. Grinds were removed and paywalled instead. I ended up dropping Trove because work kicked up and the pay for play changes were too much. I just checked that Bard class and, of course, the thing is paywalled and the trial doesn't give you a real experience with the class because the ult is integral to every ability it has so you can't even do proper testing to see if you want it thanks to their level locked trials. Edit: Did more digging on a new account to check how classes can be earned without money as I thought I might be missing something. Looks like bards aren't entirely paywalled, just grindwalled. With a big grind. Still a stupid trial level though considering.

I've played the gunslinger and swordsman classes, and can confirm that the combat can be difficult when you don't have a constantly regenerating stockpile of meat shields at your disposal. The swordsman felt like dice roll when it came to dungeons and large groups of enemies. The gunslinger was a relatively safe option, provided you could keep your distance and watch out for enemies that had projectiles.

@@magnatcleo2043 I used to play a shadow hunter (until they decided that classes people had earned should be taken away and put behind a paywall...) and you can kind of play shadow hunter as like a bow-wielding stealth sniper. You build up this special arrow by shooting regular arrows, and you can also charge the shot with the special arrow to do more damage. The amount of damage that class can do from a single fully built up and charged shot is staggering, and I often managed to oneshot bosses before they even aggrod on me. It was both hilarious and super boring but my 14 year old brain was like 'big damage number go brrrr'

I'm glad you pointed this out, though from the class description which I couldn't read, I assume it probably didn't outright say "no combat, just watching" 100% agree though, most likely didn't give the best experience for someone looking for combat depth.

I loved playing Tomb Raiser. The minions constantly spawning is new though. As in, within the last two years new. You used to passively build up souls, and you still do front what I see(the purple things going around Josh) and then use them to make minions. Souls were also collected by killing enemies. 3 souls at one time, so you could make 3 minions in one go max iirc, but killing enemies allowed spamming them. Then you could combine them to make the big guy, sho scales off how many minions were combined. Capped at 4 or 5. You and your minions healed off the damage you inflicted with the left click attack, and you could become spectral to get out if a bind, gaining 90% damage reduction, movespeed, and increased healing. Very fun to manage the minions and get the max power golem+5 minions.

@@magnatcleo2043 Gunslinger can kill anything with enough jumps, stalling in the air.

If you want a Minecraft MMO Wynncraft already does that *in* Minecraft.

I remember that when I played it way back with some friends. I remember just mindlessly running in one direction killing anything we could find for an hour.

It wasn't really inspired by minecraft but by cube world.

@@McFwoupson You can't build things in cube world. You can't in most of Trove, either, but there are some places you can build. It does look really similar aestheically, though, so maybe it was inspired by it in that way. Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, I'm pretty sure there are a couple of other things in trove that are very similar to things in beta cube world, like wings/hang gliders & healing flasks, so it probably was, after all.

I played it on Xbox, and definitely was my quit moment too.. Also, I hated the PvP loading screen.. Just static image and makes you question "Did... Did the game just freeze?" without any indication of the match loading.. No Loading bar or moving graphics.. Just boring static image.. Oh and the hit detection was miles off and was more of a guessing game of where the hitbox is compared to the player model.. Usually I spammed bombs/AOE for reliable results.. Precision attacks and melee was more Spray'n'Pray/Flail Wildly and hope you clipped their hitbox..

its still not p2w at all, everythign except skins are free. just slightly time gated if you want to learn how to play the game f2p look up LateCom now im not saying play like that madman. but its possible which literally proves its not p2w he did in 15 days and 3days in game. in what i did in 8 years. because im lazy he's not you can easily get to highest of mmr (now you are gonna win no leaderboards for mastery since no skins for mastery) but hey you can do u11 thats more than i can say you just said p2w or craftable. THE FUCK. wait so if you can craft a character easily mind you. its still p2w cause you can buy them? holy fuck man i wont tell you about warframe. you know WoW you have to pay 20-40$ bucks a month to play the game with also having to buy the game? until the last 2 weeks ive only ever put 20$ in the game. you know what i bought with that 20$. a boat and the pirate captain. not because i wanted to skip to instantly own him. but because ive played the game for 2 years they gave me a cool boat skin (when boats first came out) and wanted to support the devs. recently i put another 40$ in like 6 years later. and just on credit pouches cause i wanted mroe flux and didnt want to work on it. (also bought solarion with it cause i wanted him and again cool skin didnt have to kinda he's hard to grind til u11. but completely possible)

grinding in this game is worse than trying to survive off the stock market and 50€ for a year

@@adam-lz9jo true

I could have grand kids before hitting lvl 30

Very well put together and very true. It was fun while it lasted in the very beginnings of the game and I will hold onto those memories of it.

The economy got ruined around the time the Revenant got added, it was when they added the PvP stuff and shifted to pure freemium and grind Before class coins where even added Back then you just earned normal qubits trough daily quests and got a class every 3 days or so, leveling said classes was it's own thing tho