Why does that title give me this "déjà vu" feeling? Didn't you do a video about this about six months ago? * 10 minutes later * Okay, now I see why this has had to happen.
D’you HAVE to imitate Luna? I cringed.😂 So how do we explain him not seeing them at the end of the FIRST book, after seeing Quirrel die in the movie version? And since this was something to process, as JK Rowling says, shouldn’t he have seen them in the sequel? Perhaps plot armor would be that he somehow forgot seeing Quirrel die after he fainted. Perhaps most of his memories of that event were taken by Voldemort as he fled. @HarryPotterTheory
@@keerah1510 it's probably too dark that they would think that they only bumped into something like a rock and probably dismiss the thought immediately. I mean it is often mentioned that people are always in a hurry and they tend to overlook things. It's often mentioned so in the series and characters like Luna Lovegood stand out because they don't tend to overlook things like this. Anyways you get my point. I mean even when Harry saw those creatures he was like, "I am probably going insane and maybe I shouldn't think about it." (Plus, Luna Lovegood saying, "you are as sane as I am"..... well it doesn't help)
@@mayukhdutta9393 Someone's bound to walk in front of the carriage and bump into it. It's the size of a horse and moves. They literally live in a magic world with ghosts, invisibility through cloaks and spells, and they wouldn't at least question why there's a huge invisible thing in front the carriage?
Honestly, I think JK really just painted herself in a corner on this one. It seems like kind of a cop-out to imply that he didn’t actually see/comprehend the deaths he had been present for. His reaction to the dementors implies that the death of his parents was the most traumatic experience of his life. If it counts for the death of Cedric even though he didn’t actually see it, it should most certainly count for his parents and quirrel.
Im not surprised that she'd find herself in a corner. Harry Potter is a major world, and she did come up with it on her own. No way can a single author flawlessly execute information from first book up to the very last page of the last one. -Shrug- We're human.
In the books, Harry's scar was causing him so much pain that it was literally blinding. He didn't actually see Quirrel die. He was blacking out from the pain and the last thing he heard before losing consciousness was Dumbledore calling him
Does Voldemort see Thestrals? Sure, he's seen (and caused) an insane amount of death, but has it ever mattered to him? Has he ever really connected with any of those deaths?
I don't think so. Voldemort feared death; he believed such a fate was reserved for the weak. He is ruthless and shoots killing curses left and right without thinking. He truly believes there is no fate worse than death. As a result, I highly doubt he was capable of accepting death for what it was, and therefore could not see thestrals or hear the voices behind the veil in the Department of Mysteries.
Damn dude... Your Hagrid voice is on point! You should do a rendition of the books as Audio Books. Fairly certain Audible let's people freelance it so you can keep it legal.
It’s not that difficult. In the Order of the Phoenix, Luna states that only people that literally saw the Death right in front of their faces can see them. Harry defeats Voldemort in Little Hangleton’s Graveyard so after that he can see ‘em
This cleared a lot of things. I always wondered why Harry couldn't see Thestrals until the Order of the Phoenix and even after the events of Goblet of fire but I dismissed them as plotholes I guess. Could you make one on why Fred and George didn't notice Peter Pettigrew with Ron or even Percy in the Marauders Map?
He watches his mom AND quirrel die. His eyes were closed when cedric died. He didnt see the thestrals at the end of 4th year back to the train. Plot holes. The end.
You don't have to visually see death to witness it. For example, if you're a 000 telephone operator and someone hears a domestic argument over the call and there is abuse they are 100% witnesses to it. Harry saw green light and the thud of a heavy body then saw it was Cedric. He witnessed that death. Harry passed out before Quirrel died. As a baby he was unable to comprehend what death was and thought his parents died in a car crash because that was what he was told.
‘Tha’s exactly right’, said Phil Mitchel 🤣❤️ love the voices, hehe I adore your videos! I love Harry Potter and if I’m not watching people’s reaction videos to the films, I’m here watching your videos!
When I wrote my own comment, I was tempted to say that I didn’t feel the absence in the film adaptation of Hagrid explaining the thestrals, because the scene in which Luna explains them to Harry is so complete. I also just finished listening over again to the Order of the Phoenix reading by Jim Dale yesterday afternoon .
Great vid I've been asking that question a lot and this finally answers it. Can u do a vid about why the poison potion in the cave where the locket was hidden has to be drunk and why u can't just stick your hand in and grab the locket?
I'm confused about the the fact that in the pensive in the 6th book Dumbledore ages very little between 1938 and 1945, however by 1956 Harry describes Dumbledore as looking the exact same as he does in 1997 excluding his withered hand and some of the age lines on his face. The more I look into it the weirder Dumbledore's aging system gets.
You have to see and process death to actually see the threstrals. Harry saw his parents die as a baby, but the only thing he processed was *green light shiny*. It wasn’t until he was 14 in GOF that he saw Cedric die, and of course he was well aware of what dead was.
Only Percy would likely have been able to see them after Fred’s death, as he was standing right next to him, and witnessed his brother die in the explosion. The other Weasleys only saw his corpse after he died, except for possibly Charlie, as he would’ve been high above the battlefield on a dragon at the time, but it’s more likely that he was too preoccupied with fighting the other death eaters to notice his brother dying. It’s also possible that all of the Weasleys could see them after Fred’s death, due to the shear amount of pain and mourning his death caused them, but I find this to be more unlikely than the first option, simply because it’s clearly stated you have to physically SEE the person die in order to see them.
Because JK Rowling didn't think of Thestrals until she wrote OotP and then she was like "Umh...but he was just a baby when his parents died... Quirrel was like...possessed and smoldering to pieces, totally not a proper death, and Cedric...Surely no one will notice!" I totally buy that "It has to sink in a bit and they appear gradually" though
What annoys me most is that in the GOF, Harry didn't actually see Cedric being hit by the killing curse. His eyes were closed tight shut when Pettigrew appeared with Voldemort and just saw a blinding green flash of light through his eyelids. He finally opened his eyes after Cedric was killed which I don't really think counts due to the fact that he didn't witness the murder happen. His eyes were closed, a flash of green light struck through his eyelids and then he saw Cedric's body. Can someone please explain this to me because it's been bothering me for a while now.
Well ... he didn't see Cedric die as in "he didn't see the moment at which life quitted Cedric", but he very much saw Cedric dies as in "seeing him alive, hearing the Killing Curse being cast and then seeing Cedric dead". Even if he didn't visually witness the moment, he still witnessed it in other ways and fully understood what had happened.
Could you do a video on Sirius's death? (Apologies if you already have!) In the book it doesn't specify what colour the jet of light he was hit with! He also changed his facial expression afterwards implying that his death wasn't instant and probably not Avada Kedavra! What spell could it have been? Was it the cause of his death or did it just injure him enough to fall into the Veil and that caused it? 😄
I do like that death is a concept that takes time to digest and fully understand after having witnessed it. But then again, it took me quite the good while to realise my grandfather's death. No tear did i shed for him, regardless of how i held him in my eyes. But during his will being spoken, did i start to cry for the very first time. I merely struggle a lot to comprehend such, to truly realise the importance of certain events. Being capable of understanding what has happened, and to let it sink in... It does make sense.
If only those who “saw and understood” death were able to see Thestrals in full form, why were they all able to ride on a Thestral to the Ministry of Magic in the Order of the Phoenix (meaning Ron, Ginny, Hermione, & Neville)? 🤷🏻♀️
Iirc they explicitely state that only some of them (Harry, Luna and iirc Neville) see them, whereas the others (Ron, Hermione, Ginny) have to rely on them because they personally can't see the Thestrals. Edit : yeah Neville had seen his grandfather die
this was a very interesting video. Luna can see the thestrals but while Harry couldn't. I watched this movie. I thought only wizards can see the thestrals if someone has seen death. I love being a Potterhead. thanks for this awesome video.
Upon reading the series again recently, the series is full of holes like these, probably due to a combination starting the series aiming the books directly at children and the insane speed she wrote the books, there was always going to be inconsistencies. While not ideal, it probably contributed greatly to the quality of the movies to have that source material ready.
Ok here’s a question, how did Hermione, Ron and the others ride thestrals if they couldn’t see them or how did they finally see them when they hadn’t witnessed death.
@@ashwinsmagicandcardistry Thank you for this answer. I was going to ask the same question. I have not read the books, just watched the movies so this did kinda confuse me since that point was never brought up in the movies. If it was brought up, it might have been something that I had missed and will have to look for in my next re-watching.
When harry saw cedric die, he understood death, witnessed death, and mourned death (dunno if mournign is part) When he saw his mother die, he witnessed death, mourned it (crying) but he didnt umderstand death, he only knew something wasnt right about his parents
I think that one would have to be at least a certain age where they can understand and process what death is and what the loss of a person would be to them. Since Harry was only one year old when his parents were killed he wasn't of an age where he could understand the concept of death. In the Philsopher's Stone he may not have grasped that Quirrell had died only that Voldemort seemed to have been destroyed in that form. When Cedric died he was of an age to understand the concept of death though it took him the summer after his fourth year to really process his death mentally.
In the books, Ron, Hermione, Ginny and Luna weren't in the room when Sirius died! Neville was, but he was injured and didn't see! As far as I remember!
@@ShinyMike90 oh... Ok I have never readed HP books because Im type of guy who remenbers more by listening than reading and Im not good enough in English to listen them in this language (Sorry for mistakes) Thanks for anwser
The reason why he can’t see the thestrals until ootp is because he can’t remember his mum dying exactly and also he fainted before he could see quirrel die.
Because he never seen death before until Sirius Black. In the goblet of fire , bellatrix lustrange killed Sirius black that is why Harry was able to see this in the order of Phoenix
This is because harry didn't really know his mother was dead or what happened at 1 year old..... That's why he couldn't see them. But after watching cedric bite it.... That was a lot different.... He understood what happened and knew ced was dead.... That's why he could see them after that.
i think and i could be wrong that the reason that harry can't see thestrals earlier than order of the phoenix is fairly simple. only those who have seen death can see them, and while he may have seen his mother die he was so young at the time that he may not have been mentally mature enough to have seen the thestrals later on. and as for Quirrell, I believe that Harry may have passed out as he was dying so that way he would not see the thestrals after that.
