Why can't Lucasfilm keep this straight when it comes to the Jedi? 

I may be misremembering, but it was my impression that Han was absolutely aware of who the Jedi were, but just thought of them as a hokey religion. He didn't believe in the force, but he still knew that there was a group of people who did. Kinda like how we'd stereotype ninja monks or religious warriors.

Palpatine: It is now illegal to talk about or even refer to the Jedi. Literally forget they ever existed...But also look out for them and report them to us if you see one. Cool?

For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times, before Disney

The bit that gets me about the inquisitor bar scene the grand inquisitor went off on a speech about how great and caring the jedi are how they'll always stop to save people in need. When palatine was trying to sell the jedi were traitors and evil

The cohesiveness of the galaxy and everything in it is what makes star wars great and feel alive. It's one of the things that made me fall more in love with it after the prequels and EU was established. I loved the OT and grew up with it. But the fleshing out of the galaxy and everyone in it with their own back stories including the background characters is what made it special. Cohesiveness is essential.

if you told me in 2020 that the Kenobi and Boba Fett shows would be stinkers and that the Andor show would revolutionize Star Wars for me, i would have sneezed in your cereal

Little Anakin, living on a backwater planet that was not even part of the Republic, heard of Jedi Knights and how powerful they were. He spoke of them like they were superheroes and even knew about lightsabers.

I like the EU Inquisitors they hunted in the shadows. Their first mission was to turn Jedi to the Dark Side, and if that failed then kill them. Disney has made them all out in the open, while also being unknown and hidden. Until the story needs them to be known about, I just don't understand it. I don't know what they are going for anymore.

If you've seen some of their plans for the panels in this year's SW Celebration you'd know they weren't planning on keeping much of anything straight in the future...

The problem is how different writers believe the topic of the Jedi post-Republic should be handled. Clearly a lot of people in LucasFilms believe that the Jedi should be treated more as myth and legends, because the less Jedi there are, the more special the few we have are. What sounds better to you? learning the ways of an ancient warrior monk religion to become the first of the new, or learning the ways of a warrior monk religion that was just recently decimated to become just another member?

I think this idea that people in the OT era were not familiar with the Jedi mostly originates from Han Solo's dialogue in A New Hope. But the thing is, Han never actually said he doesn't know what a Jedi is. He just said he doesn't believe the Force is anything more than some silly religion. Maybe by the time of the OT, lots of people (especially those who lived most of their lives under the Empire) know what a Jedi is, but just don't believe in their supernatural abilities. This seems plausible enough. There were probably even many people during *the Republic* that were skeptical about the Jedi's "magical powers". Statistically speaking, very few people would ever actually meet a Jedi during their lifetime. But I admit the Mandalorian not even being familiar with the word "Jedi" is a bit of a stretch.

Because most people working on Star Wars since the Disney takeover have NO IDEA how sw works. Most only care about how to make money as easily or lazily as possible or how to use the franchise as a stepping stone in their own career.

Jabba the Hutt even said "He's using an old Jedi Mind Trick." ROTJ

I can accept that Mando has never heard of them. His reaction to the other Mandalorians taking their helmets off kind of says he has a narrow view of the galaxy. Sure, he knows how to get things done, but he hasn't been taking history lessons either.

Thank you! My husband and I "fight" (with good will) about inconsistencies in Star Wars all the time. He's an apologist, and I am annoyed by story inconsistency.

It is quite likely that Palpatine spent a fair amount of time planting stories in the Holonet News about the elitism of the Jedi, stealing speeders and such when it suits their purposes, that they’re a rogue arm of the galactic government, etc etc. All in an effort to turn the general population’s perception against the Jedi. Certainly would make it easier to “erase” the Jedi from the collective memory of the populace following Order 66.

To answer your first question posed at the end about the consistency, here's my two cents: when it comes to Disney Star Wars, it's consistently inconsistent. They have no idea how to handle this vast universe handed to them by George Lucas and they're kinda just making shit up as they go along. I always preferred Legends myself, and I acknowledge that Legends is by no means perfect, but at least to me it felt like the stories were interconnected and was more faithful to the lore from previous source material.

I remember watching a video that reasoned why nobody knew who Luke was at the end of the Mandalorian season 2, and he was saying it was more reasonable to assume that they've heard the name Luke Skywalker, he did blow up the first Death Star after all, but they didn't know he was a Jedi. I'll find the link if anybody's interested

A possible explanation could be that the Jedi go by a different 'nickname' around the galaxy, like Lazer Warriors or something. And they are probably often described by normal people as great warriors, so when you tell someone random about something called a Jedi who can use the force and keeps the peace, they have no idea what that is. Another explanation is that a lot of people in the galaxy just aren't interested in politics. Think about all the people who don't care about politics and really have no idea how the world works. They don't know what a senate is, they don't know what a politician does, or even who the current Chancellor is. Lot of people like that in real life. I notice myself that there are a lot of things i don't know about the world and system we live in. There are a lot of very important people iv'e never heard about. Or just take RU-vid for example, lots of people don't watch the biggest youtubers. It took a while for me to learn who Mr. Beast was. And i have NO idea who the trending artists are on Spotify. Sports? Don't ask me, no idea. A galaxy like Star Wars probably have tons of more interesting things to do than care about politics.

Can we just forget that the Obi-Wan Kenobi show didn't happened?

Glup Shitto: hasn't heard of the Jedi Also Glup Shitto: knows the name and location of every planet in the Galaxy and is also able to pilot and repair any ship and understands 15 different human and droid languages and is also a very capable fighter

If a boy on Tatooine knew about Jedi and could recognize a lightsaber, them most people should too, even if they haven’t seen them in person.

LET'S TALK SOME STAR WARS!

Honestly, it'd have worked better if people heckled the inquisitors. Someone just walks up and says they can't land there, and they just cut them down in front of everyone. Then, just demanding to know if the crowd has seen anyone with "powers like this" and lift a random person off the ground with a force choke. Could have kept the whole ignorance of the Jedi and been effin' terrifying.

The easiest way to resolve all this would be to say that each show forms its own continuity with the movies shared between them all, but it doesn't really work because the Disney Plus shows are already crossing over with each other. This was exactly the sort of issue the story group was meant to prevent.

My argument behind Dinn though is that he wasn’t a typical mandalorian he was a foundling taken in by a niche zealot group of mandalorians that lived in the shadows and followed a creed not believed by the more known mandalorians. I could believe he would’ve either not remembered Jedi or didn’t know about them cause of his age when he taken in and that his group focused more on the ancient idea of mandalore more

New Disney canon is so inconsistent that it contradicts itself

The Empire not only encouraged but enforced the idea of to forget about the Jedi, and just think of them as traitors. People caught acknowledging the existence, knowing of Jedi, are probably brought in for questioning and/or being killed.

I always assumed that people knew of the Jedi but didn't really understand what they were or know much beyond 'laser sword'. I think it is like Ninja in the real world. Ask anyone "what is a Ninja?", and they'd tell you a sneaky assassin with throwing stars. But if you asked them to name a person who was a real Ninja, what weapons they used beyond katanas/throwing stars, and who was actually assassinated by a Ninja and they would most likely be stumped. What they could tell you would be more along the lines of pop culture depictions, like you mentioned in the video.

For the whole "Palpatine erasing the Jedi from history"... We have a real-world example of Tiananmen Square. The Empire would have a harder time, due to the sheer size of it's territory and the lawlessness of the Outer Rim, but I'm sure they would try the same techniques, and have some success.

Very good points, Thor.

The "Kenobi show" broke me at a molecular level...haven't been able to see anything Star Wars related ever since...except videos like this.

I always thought it was everyone knew about the jedi but many werent sure about the extend of their power and religion. I mean of all the planets and trillions of beings how many would actually of seen a jedi in person unless they were in a core system in an area that would see conflict.

One of many huge problems in the Kenobi show is the fact that characters that absolutely should not know anything about other characters or events still know about them without any explanation given, or they figure the truth out faster than one can utter the word Rancor. Characters that shouldn't know things in Kenobi still knows just because the SW audience knows about it! Reva is the prime example. She knows that Vader is Anakin, even if she only saw him during Order 66 still looking like Anakin, she was never on Mustafar or in the operation room on Coruscant to know of his physical transformation into Vader. Yet, she still somehow has figured out it's the same guy. How & why? They never say. Also, from the very disrupted message from Bail Organa she somehow figures out that Vader's kid, Luke, is hidden with Owen Lars on Tatooine. Even if Bail never gave away that much detailed information even when the message wasn't broken. All Reva realistically ever should have figured out is that Bail in collaboration with Obi-Wan is keen on protecting A boy living with Lars on Tatooine. When bail refers to "he finding out the truth" we the SW audience that know what happens in the OT of course knows that "he" is Vader. But Reva should not know what happens in the OT so many years prior. But still off she goes to kill Luke since she failed to kill Vader. Luke could, from her realistically perspective, been far more likely a hidden love child of Bail's hidden away from the media & also his wife or something. But, nope, she draws the conclusion that this boy is Vader's son, literary pulling that fact from out of nowhere & she just happens to be correct. So that characters in Disney SW shift back & forth regarding all sorts of facts, what they know & suddenly don't know, & back again, across the time line, is another frustrating reality we old SW fans will have to accept, even if it makes no god damn sense. If the Grand Inquisitor + Reva & the 5th Brother had arrived as they do to Tatooine on the Kenobi show & never bothered to ask if anyone know who they are & just say, the most, that they come on the behalf of the Emperor or the Empire & that's it & they merely ask for someone that matches the description of a Jedi - if anyone have seen an individual with a lightsaber or that can do supernatural things etc - then it had made so much more sense. The Empire is during this time trying to make the very word Jedi go away from people's awareness. It's very contra-productive to then keep using the very name of the ones you try to bury. But the Kenobi show was written by a literal moron & the so-called Story Group had another coffee break & didn't bother to do their actual job, which is to make sure the facts & details stay in line according to canon, so why is anyone surprised the quality is way below amateur theater & lacks all professionalism when it comes to story telling?

Like you mentioned, most adults probably knew about the Jedi. So, in Kenobi, the Grand Inquisitor was leveraging adults’ memories. I’d disagree about Luke feeling the Jedi needed to end during the Mandalorian. What broke Luke was Kylo Ren. That’s when he thought that they needed to end

Continunity is incredibly important to me. If they have established rules they must then abide by those rules UNLESS some new knowledge or technology allows them to bypass them. Even then, they must explain this new knowledge or technology so we the audience understand how it is possible for them to do things that can't/shouldn't be done. In A New Hope, for example, when they are pulled into the Death Star with the Tractor Beam, that was established as a "rule". Their ship can not escape the power of this stations tractor beam. So, they come up with a plan to disable it. Once disabled, they can then escape. If they escaped WITHOUT disabling it, maybe their ship had a newfound special ability....; the audience would be confused unless they then described it AND ALSO explained why it wasn't used to resist the tractor beam in the first place. Rules make movies make sense.

I don't recall anything either way to suggest if Cara Dune knew Luke Skywalker. I don't think she spoke a single line after he revealed himself. I think she just stood there looking fascinated. Was she fascinated by Luke or by the Jedi in general that kicked ass and came for Grogu? That part was unclear. Also I don't think Luke said his name. So even if she didn't recognize his face (which may or may not have been the case) she may have still known his name.

My personal opinion is that the explanation for this is that the Empire was using Orwellian “Double Think” about the Jedi; in their narrative the Jedi both never existed and were a myth and also the Jedi were the traitorous people who tried to overthrow the Republic and orchestrated the Clone Wars. The people of the Empire had to both forget that they existed and also remember that they were outlaws.

In case of Din, pretty sure it is because he got into the cult when he was something like 8 or younger? So he probably would not watch much of the war-related news (or his parents would prevent him from doing so) After becoming part of the Death Watch, well, cult leaders really dislike their followers knowing about the outside world, because it might lead to independent thinking, so the Armorer would be keeping everything on a very need-to-know basis, especially for young children.

The empire wasn't trying to make everyone forget the jedi, they were trying to make everyone forget what the jedi stood for.

I always thought it wasn’t that people didn’t know, or remember the Jedi , but more that uncle Owen just didn’t tell Luke about them .

Oh my God, this has been bothering me so much! Thank you for making a video about it! :D How can it be that interstellar travel and the Holonet exist and I'm still supposed to believe some people who live in the Republic have never heard of the Jedi! As you said, they must have made the news every day during the Clone Wars. Even if you were born after that, not all traces of them can have been be erased. Older people still remember and not all of them will let the Empire tell them what they can and cannot say in private. And a lot of people must also own books or other files on datapads about the Jedi or even "merchandize". I recall the Episode III novel mentioning that kids in the Clone Wars loved Anakin and Obi-Wan and loved playing them. The must have had some Jedi starfighters or lightsaber toys, etc. In "The High Republic" a woman reads a cheesy romance novel about Jedi. So these things connected to Jedi exist all over the place. You cannot just delete them. I think it's impossible to make an entire society who was aware of something forget within 20 years.

What I can't believe is that there are four, perfectly clean speeder bikes on Tatooine with no dust on them, in bright, candy-colored, glittery metallic paint, and COVERED in mirrors. THAT is inconsistent!!!

Hey Thor, In a previous video you talked about how balance in the force is more like keeping the galaxy healthy instead of having it be equal parts light and dark. I just want to know what your thoughts on Mortis is since it seems that it supports the idea of of having both light and dark equal.

Part of the problem lies at George's feet for telling a story out of chronological order. However, if you go back and watch his original trilogy he works around the Jedi seeming like this forgotten cult by setting up their introduction on a backwater with a protagonist whose father figure is clearly established to have motivations that would keep such knowledge away from him. Lucas also had the use of the word Jedi only used by established force users. If I recall correctly the scene with Han on the Falcon in episode 4 only has them mentioning the force, Han refers to it as a religion and never infers about a cult called the Jedi. There are a lot of things in a creator's head that never make it explicitly onto a page. That's partly why we've seen such failures in things like Star Wars, later seasons of Game of Thrones, and the Rings of Power.

I think they accidentally put together an un-continuity team, whose directive is to ruin continuity at every opportunity... rather than the continuity team they claimed to be putting together, to ensure they didn't just retcon everything willy nilly.

Han knew who the Jedi were, he just didn't know whether to believe in their true powers. And Chewbacca never witnessed the true power of the Jedi knights. He simply witnessed Yoda chop off some clone heads. The Clone Wars mini series was horrible and screwed everything up. It created way to many plot holes unintentionally.

I think for reference in Star Wars the jedi would be compared to the FBI, lots of people in America have heard them about them but I doubt that many people have actually seen them or know that they've seen them

Tattooine is a unique situation- home world of the legendary Anikin Skywalker - general & Jedi. Makes sense that they at least know the legend of the Jedi

Consistency in a fictional universe is very important. When the writers can just change the rules and history of the fictional universe to make it easier to write their story rather than making the effort to write a story that fits within the context of said universe then they can ruin the suspension of disbelief that is so important to the success of that universe. Minor changes are one thing but what we see in Star Wars with this question and others is part of why the franchise is not as successful as it was and a major part of the problem with the ST.

From the examples of history, it's most likely that demonizing the Jedi would be a large part of Imperial propaganda.

The problem is that Lucas himself completly changed the 'fame' level of the Jedi from the Original Trilogy to the Prequels. They were implied to be secluded monastic group in the Original trilogy and the 'guarding the peace' was not being done directly through the hands of the state power but more subtle means, like the Bene Jeseret sisterhood in Dune that they were based on, the Dune universe dosn't know how much control the sisterhood actually has. The prequels threw that all out and made them the state religion AND Pretorean Guard who are then deposed in a coup which would be as historic as the assasination of Julius Ceasar. Their is just no way to reconcile this contradition, it's like Leia remembering her real mother, it's just a blatant contradition. So we can't blame this one on Disney, only George Lucas had the gale to blatantly contradict George Lucas.

I tapped out of Kenobi, and Disney SW for good,when reeva was like "I survived order 66" I just said to my wife "I've seen enough," and calmly walked out of the room to go do something else, never to watch star wars again. That was too stupid for me to process.

when Joseph Michael Straczynski (the creator/producer/writer of Babylon 5) was asked how fast the space ships travel through space his answer was (they fly at the speed of plot).

Literally every Jedi going to a new planet and meeting someone and casually being greeted with “ master Jedi”

Ezra Bridger - Some kid in the mid-rim: Finds Kanan's lightsaber* _Hey, this is a lightsaber, and you're a Jedi_ Cara Dune - Alderaanian rebel soldier: _What's a lightsaber?_ Rey - Some girl from the Outer-rim: *Knows everything about the Jedi** *Admiral Motti:* _The Jedi are an ancient religion. Basically a fairy tail._ 🧐

There were about 10,000 Jedi before Order 66 but there were well over 10,000 inhabited planets in the Galaxy. I think your average person would know of them, but wouldn't necessarily believe they exist or have super powers.

I like how the Jedi is hung by his torso, like that's going to kill him. Disney was like we got to show a dead man hanging but do it in the dumbest way possible.

Cara Dune, who worked for Mon Mothma - who worked with many Jedi in her day, including Luke - not knowing who Luke was... makes no sense. These days, Hollywood writes stories like [chapter 1: no magic exists; chapter 2: main character uses magic in front of others; chapter 3: main character and said others laugh at how people used to believe in magic], and when you say that story contradicts itself, they attack you and claim such things don't matter.

But if you ask 25 people who Benedict Arnold is they would have no idea. And the reason I know about him is that I'm a history buff.

The wolf in the image at 1:37 is the same wolf that guided ezra bridger, in a painting from the old republic era...

I think it would be hilarious for the Inquisitors to have been given a parking ticket. While behind bars waiting for the Empire to verify their story, they start asking the constables and also the drunks in the cells about guys with laser swords who have telekinesis.

I very quickly understood that "the force" actually means "the will of the screenplay writer". Makes it easier to accept how vague the rules are.

There are people alive today who have no idea how to dial a rotary phone, who've never heard of Clara Peller, who would be stranded if they had to drive a manual transmission, who have no idea how to text with a numeric keypad, and who have never heard of "The Day After". Those are all things I remember well, but tremendous numbers of people have grown up without them. There are also plenty of people my age who have never heard of some of those things, or barely remember the names, but can't remember what it was like when those things were around. John Hinkley? Wasn't he that guy on that show with the super guy? Memory of things you've never experienced is easily lost. In a galaxy with thousands of inhabited planets populated by trillions of sentients, sure, a lot of people may have heard of Jedi, but with only ten thousand of them around at the end of the Clone Wars, the number of people who've seen them and interacted with them and really understood them would be a drop in the bucket. You ever met a Gurkha? You have any idea what a Gurkha is? Where they come from? Their history? Ever seen a kukri? Know anything about it or what it really means, or is it just a funny knife to you? Gurkhas exist NOW. They wield kukri NOW. There are over 100,000 of them actively serving in three armies TODAY, and have for upwards of two centuries. Yet how many people around the world have ever heard of them? Or have heard of them and have only the vaguest notion of what they are, what they do, and where they can be found? So yeah, I can believe that knowledge of the Jedi could be mostly wiped from the galaxy between the Clone Wars and the Galactic Civil War. Because such knowledge may not have been as widespread in the greater galaxy as we see on screen in stories that mostly center on the Jedi order and its enemies and allies. I can also believe that surviving knowledge wouldn't be evenly spread - i.e. it's not a choice between "everyone in the galaxy knows everything about the Jedi" or "no one in the galaxy knows anything about the Jedi and thinks they're a myth". There's a lot of gray area there; some people will know everything, some will know a lot, some will know a little, some will know nothing.

yeah that bit about the chick from alderan not recognizing luke bothered me too, but then got me thinking, galaxy is huge, and chances are she knows who luke is but didnt know he was a jedi, for all she knew luke skywalker is the dude who blew up the death star, not some legendary jedi. but at the same time, she should have some knowledge about this since she was part of the rebellion, allegedly.

It would be pretty funny to see more of Luke trying to present himself as a Jedi and re-establishing them as an Order and people keep calling him "the farmboy who blow up the Death Star".

Prior to the Clone Wars, an 8 year old slave on an Outer Rim, non-Republic planet knew who the Jedi were.

I would actually love to see the people of tatoonie try and arrest the inquisitors

Studio suits have no idea about storytelling. Neither do most production executives.

The exact problems i have with the new cannon, or rather one of them. when i was growing up playing the games and reading all of the books, i knew there was at least some real effort made to make things fit and work. be it time lines or lore or bestiaries. heck even starship lore things more often than not fit together.

I don’t see why Cara Dune should instantly recognize Luke. She had never met him, probably never seen him in person, and seeing holo’s of him might’ve only made it harder to recognize him for the same reason we all think Tom cruise in a normal adult size when in fact he is not

The bottom line is that the writers twist the story to be a certain way in order for THEIR story to work, continuity be damned

My view on this is that since the force is essentially conscious, that it can slowly, and willingly remove itself from people's memories after enough time. Memories of the Jedi themselves would extend to this as well.

4:00 not only are they walking down the street for everyone to see it was also on Tatooine Hutt Space

"Luke, did I ever tell you about Ahsoka Tano?"

Retconning and selective writing is always an issue with Star Wars, but the biggest flaw in all of this really is Chewbacca. I always hated making C3PO a creation of Anakin or shoehorning he and R2 into the prequels simply for fan service. But for continuity, Chewbacca being in the war with Yoda and then not chiming in when Obi-Wan is on the Falcon is the worst example of bad writing. There was no reason to write Chewbacca into that scene with Yoda.

Kenobi had some of the dumbest lines in Star Wars cannon. Therefore the show had to have some of the dumbest writers. If we keep going, it's a whole list of dumb. That's Disney Star Wars.

The lack of planning from the story group is the problem. I don't like that Disney doesn't know what they're doing with this beloved franchise.

One way to explain this inconsistency would be to create a scene that would do so. If the opportunity arises in any given episode to write it in. It would include an inquisidore questioning several people of varying ages about any jedi. Most of the stares he gets back would cause him to explain what a jedi is. The youngest of them could claim knowing nothing. The same for an older one. When the inquisidore presses, the oldest of the group could explain that rhey were told long ago to not even speak of or about the jedi. Explain that they haven't heard or seen anything of such in many, many years. He could also explain that they had little knowledge about inquisidores, as well. 🤔😁

I love the shot at 1:20 its that exact moment where Han starts boasting like crazy and Luke gives him that narrow eyed look as if to say "whats this guys deal"- and Obi Wan is like "Oh I didn't realize how awesome you were !"

The Republic did span quite a portion of the Galaxy, but those regions outside would still know about them, even if the stories would likely be distorted. It's also pretty hard to believe, in hindsight, that the Emperor just stood up one day and said "This group, which has been a force defending you all for all of recorded history, are actually your enemies. You're all going to forget all those times you've considered them as heroes and help us hunt them down, right?", did not spark a rebellion right off the bat. It is one thing to program a cloned army to turn on the Jedi at a moment's notice, it's quite another to convince the Galaxy that the stereotypical good guys were actually evil, or that the Empire didn't immediately show that they were the bad guys and should be opposed at once.

Everyone in cities would know about the Jedi. There are people all over the place who actually saw or even knew them. Tattooine is considered to be fairly remote and a little backward, but tons of people there knew about Jedi. The Hutts knew. The bounty hunters knew. Travelers and pilots knew. Chewbacca knew. Han knew, even if he was skeptical about the source of their abilities. The veterans and families of veterans knew. Random people like Watto knew. The issue is that the story changed over time. When Star Wars was just 3 films, the idea was that the galaxy was very disconnected and the exploits of the Jedi may have been on a small scale far away. From what was said in Ep4-6, the Jedi could have been 50 people that few had ever seen. But later films and other media showed that there were thousands of Jedi playing major roles in major events that affected almost every developed world only about 20 years ago.

I know the the US Marshals Service exists, but I've never met one.

Even if a Jedi was known in a town, her or she would never identify as a Jedi in order to protect others from this situation. They would never reveal the power in public. Using their powers would attract a larger threat. Jedi may be know but as more of a myth. The odds of actually seeing a Jedi in action even during the height of their power would’ve still been considerably rare. One thing that’s note worthy is that Jabba the Hut seems to know exactly who the Jedi were and most definitely knew their history. He seemed to think they were extinct as he laughed at the notion of Luke identifying as one.

A lot of fantasy stories revolve around a book series, and most book series have a single (or at least supervising) author. Star Wars never had this, and this is why there's a hundred clashing voices. So if anyone fancies making a compelling universe involving space wizards with telekinesis and laser swords, I'm pretty sure they'll be able to do a better job than what has been offered.

Im sure some people will be out of the loop when it comes to knowing about Jedi, but thats the problem with the recent wave of media bombardment of Star Wars entertainment. You have so many writers now who all have different ideas of how much people know to facilitate their stories, it all conflicts terribly. Especially when you get people who say "fuck the canon" when they are writing their shit. You need an all encompassing master of lore to keep it all straight because you know what they say _too many cooks spoil the soup_ and you need a head chef to lead.

I swear, there's a branch of the studio that's obsessed with making the jedi out as superheroes.

To best quote Deadpool, “that’s just lazy writing!” 😂

In the canon, the Rebellion propagandized Luke not by name but by his callsign Red 5, allegedly done to not focus on the supernatural aspect of their victory but to say 'a mere pilot took down the Death Star'. This is the reason Cara Dune does not put together who Luke is.

Maybe my memory is betraying me, but Din Djarin did realize that Grogu was a "Jedi" once Grogu displayed force powers. He said that Grogu did not know he was Din's enemy at the time. Which could mean the obvious that little Grogu didn't realize that Din was a threat as a bounty hunter, but I think Din was at least in part referring to the fact the child had the powers of his people's old enemies. The Jedi may have been known of, but by the time of the episodic films, they are few in number and a very rare sight, after all. Seeing force levitation first hand would be a hell of a shock even if one knew of the Jedi's existence.

Okay, I know the guy the grand inquisitor was talking to said "you hunt Jedi" when asked if he knew what they [the Inquisitors] do, but when you played the clip--I'm not sure if it's the audio on your end or if the actor mumbled it in the show--it almost sounded like he said "You *are* Jedi." 8:21-8:42 I'm sure the Inquisitors will be quick to inflict the appropriate amount of terror in that case. Also, I don't see how they would be jailed. It's not like the Marshal would randomly have Ysalamari on hand or be a powerful force sensitive that they would need to bring in Vader to deal with him/her.

I’m pretty sure most knew of the idea of Jedi, even Han Solo knows them in the og trilogy, the point was they just thought of them as a hokey religion

What if mentioning a jedi carried a high risk of getting killed? Wouldn’t everyone in the galaxy assume a stance of pretending they never even heard the term just in case they are talking with an agent provocateur?

I think the problem is: laws and rules surrounding the suppression of information about the Jedi are never defined. We see characters talk about Jedi most often because it is relevant to the plot, but talking about Jedi often is going to get someone a visit from Inquisitors so it's not a public topic. While it likely started that the Jedi as an institution were outlawed, Inquisitors are evidence the Empire actively investigated rumors of Jedi. Han's testimony on Jedi does imply most people don't know their true history since information on them is not in circulation. You have to wonder what level of legality the Inquisitors operate on for this to be effective because while Palpatine did have complete control of the senate but he also at least attempted to appear as a good chancellor. Inquisitors do seem above the law so them not being officially acknowledged is realistically possible, especially if anyone who claims they are real is labeled a liar and a rebel.

From the producers‘ perspective, the Jedi are always just as known as the plot needs them to be on a more or less episode-to-episode basis as you suggested, and I struggle to see how there’s even a debate over it. However, I see it as a minor inconsistency that doesn‘t require too much of suspension of disbelief to just go along with it, or not even that and not actually implausible but merely underexplained, which could be done by merely stating that there are countless factors contributing to both the degree and nature („news“, „stories“ or „legends“) of how known the Jedi are in a particular polulation at a particular point in time. Very much in contrast to basically everything else about the sequel trilogy, which made my personal suspension-of-disbelief-o-meter just explode, melt and turn to dust at the same time, multiple times and again even when there already wasn’t much more left of it than a vague memory.

When it comes to the inconsistent handling of how well-known the Jedi are, I think most examples (outside of the Sequel trilogy) can be justified by individual backgrounds and worldviews. The only example that is truly problematic is Djin Djarin. Mandalorian fundamentalists should know about that other religion whose members played a pivotal role in shaping Mandalorian culture through conflict. Furthermore, since the Watch is clearly descended from the Death Watch, Tarre Vizla and the Darksaber should have a role in their traditions. The Forgemaster is clearly up-to-date on this basic lore, and she is ready to recite lore and orthodoxy to her followers with minimal prompting. If any non-Jedi should not need the Jedi explained, it is a Mandalorian.

I chalk it up to people having a general familiarity with the term "Jedi", but seeing as few have directly observed their feats, many probably write it off as legendary embellishment...

9:55 Robot Chicken called this out long before this.

It’s not been a thousand generations since the Knights Templar, and a lot of in know about them still.

News in the galaxy is not always linear. Just like on Earth, from country to country, they have different perspectives and flow of information.