Why CCR Disappeared After Only 3 Years 

My Daddy would've been glad to see John get his rights back. The indignation he expressed about this is part of what led me to study Radio/Television Broadcasting, culminating in me becoming the youngest in my family to earn a college degree (17).

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At 10:27, the graphic says, "...for all intensive purposes." The phrase is, "for all intents and purposes." Gotta proofread.

​@@davydoodles1438I said intensive purposes until I it was pointed out on the king of queens I happened to have on one day bout 10 years ago. 😅

That's no big deal it's a very common mistake that many people make and believe me I was an English major! 😂😂😅

They WERE NOT the American Beatles...not one of the other guys were great musicians or writers.

Writers? No, not at all. But they played their instruments better than the Beatles did.

@@roberthill799 Horseshit. They were competent, but not great. Name one of them who was in demand from other bands or as session musicians.

John was the American Beatles.

I don’t think there was an American Beatles. Lynyrd Skynyrd maybe? Honesty I find it hard to differentiate British classic rock from American classic rock considering how the more popular British classic rock bands’ singers sang with American accents for the most part anyways. Really doesn’t matter where you’re from. Good music is good music, nationality has nothing to do with anything.

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I’m a former graphic designer, 20 years., I got out of graphics in 2010. I never realized how bad it twisted me until I quit. Now I drive a truck. I hope you found peace.

i feel embarrassed that i thought they were around for longer. i put the Eagles in with the legends too.

You're surprised? I never realized they were around that short a time, and I was there. I was in junior high when I first heard them and a Junior in high school when I saw them, which I guess was 1972. Think Tom Fogarty was gone by then, and John was finishing out touring obligations, and I'm not sure how many original members were left. They came on,played, and left without any encore, which I thought was strange. I had no idea of all the turmoil going on until much later.

Or in the real world, he thought he was better than everyone else.

I think the other 3 got tired of being working musicians. because that's all they were. after the break-up, they probably weren't putting much food on the table. but they worked for John as much as they worked for Saul. John, let's face it, tho he was screwed overall (they all were), he at least could live on royalties. the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle .we're not seeing the middle here, I don't think. I can't tell you how much I admire this R&R giant Irish American. I badly want to read his book now. I may come back and have a different view of the CCR story. it apparently tells all about how he taught the other 3 how to play. that would mean they owe him everything. and as far as a re-union, after 1990, they no longer would have a hell of a rhythm guitarist, anyway. I saw them as a trio before I understood jack about music, I just knew Tom had left the band. then, after seeing a local cover band (they did some Creedence songs) and I saw and heard what Tom contributed to the band, when this kid on rhythm guitar was playing good, interesting chords that I thought John was playing (again, I didn't know shit then, as far as lead vs. rhythm, but was starting to understand) ,I realized how important he was to the band. the other 3 took that 30 grand probably so they could eat. again, the middle is missing for we, the fans. like what did they make despite the raw deal from Saul and Fantasy? we're getting John's side. but Tom, in the interview, gave John his due as the legend he really is. that was fitting. but isn't it clear that Saul was nobody's "best friend"?

You have got that right, I could not express this better

Hey the man is rich and will always be famous. He done good for him self wouldn't you say. 👈. 👀

@@tomakafrankconlon3207 He was and is.

What about his three older kids? What do they do for a living? He has two older sons and a daughter.

I agree, I saw him at Summerfest, 2022, Milwaukee, Wis, It was a great show. I wish he would write some net material.

I wonder if they feel bad that he never mentions them to the world. It seems like they don't matter.

@@jeanieruter7416 what the fuck are you on about?

@@jeanieruter7416 Perhaps they do something unrelated to music.

Amazing how many crooked and greedy managers there were at the same time as well

Look how long the Stones have been playing together

Those four mentioned are my big 4 of 65 - 70.

@@philgiglio7922 But the Stones singer was never pushed aside by the others. CCR Stu and Tom F tried to sing and made the worst record of them all. Arseholes they were.

@@philgiglio7922 The Stones were ripped off by Alan Klein (ABKO) as well.

Did they make it back?

@@dawoool they did, thank you for asking. Ron still works as an auto mechanic, but we lost Dan about a month ago due to a stroke

@@blayneaugust Any PTSD?

@@dawoool without a doubt

@@blayneaugust I try not to judge anybody whose path I have not walked. I have never been in battle, so when veterans of that horror do things I do not understand, I consider what they've been through, even though I have not experienced it. I know very well it would have changed me, and not for the better. I have also never experienced wealth and fame in my 20s, so I can't judge the seemingly bizziare behavior of many people who did achieve that. I have imagined it and, knowing myself a little better by now, I think I would have been a good candidate for the 27 club.

What do you expect from a guy who knew who Stephen Foster was since he was 4 yrs old LOL?🙃

Many sad and tragic events in his life.

as a Guitarist hes a BIG inspiration to me :)

And a fantastic guitarist

Never

After being sued himself, I thought Fogerty had a hell of a lot of nerve suing the Hollies for plagiarism for "Long Cool Woman." His "Old Man Down the Road" sounds a lot more like "Run Through the Jungle" than their song did to any of his stuff, yet he won his case. Unfortunately they caved.

I always thought it was because that was the version I dig

@@paulgentile1024 "We like to do things Rough!"

​@@darkwitness2718 ahhhh!

People do just that.

Right?!

yeah but we haven't heard the side of the other guys. it sounds crazy the way they behaved but there had to be something john was doing that got under everybody's skin. Was he demeaning and belittling everyone? when you behave bad enough you can drive people to just want revenge against you. is that what happened to this band?

@@jimbeam-ru1my The others have given their versions of the story many times.

@@kerpin09 but not to us, the viewers of this youtube piece that focuses on John.

@@Blackadder75 and you could say the same about pieces that focuses on the others' version of events - ie that John's viewpoint wasn't presented. One needs to employ some medial literacy and come to their own conclusions

Hear what you're saying, my brother and I...42 years now

USMC (68-73) here; me and my fireteam fought a war to CCR, greatest music on planet earth!

@@trinity0844 i have four ccr albums on cd plus greatest hits....for a long time i could not listen to them because of all discussed here but after hearing john's side here....i am going to start my day with greatest now....such a sad story....when i think of john and tom i think of my brother and me.....life is way too short to hold grudges...

most people are stupid and watch stupid mindless content. it's not a very uplifting conclusion, but in my opinion it's sad but true

I know! This is well produced. I looked up expecting to see millions of subs it's THAT professionally done

The age of the channel. When you wrote this, they were not even a year old. It's that simple. I'd you are.not a RU-vid yet and jump in and put out the best content you can, expect less than 3 millions views a year without paying for advertising. You do know that the channels that hit so fast pay for it right? Anyone can pay to have any video recommended. Organically though, this is it. You have to put time in. They are doing just fine. Their numbers are impressive.

Yeah!

Maybe because He thought CCR was only around for 2 years ....

Keep writing, keep playing, you don't fail until you quit :). Musical gifts are developed through practise and part chance.

It's because everybody in the band works their asses off, but only the writer really gets paid on the back end. Do you end up with one or two guys making a retirement income while the rest have menial labor helping them do it and nothing to show in between sessions.

@@stevecarter8810yeah but their work wouldn’t be worth a damn without the creative work of the writer. There’s a million great musicians out there, but truly great songwriters are far less common, and should be duly compensated for their worth. Whatever exact arrangement that requires depends on the specifics, but you cannot expect essentially a backing musician to make as much as the guy writing AND playing the music..

@@booognish while I broadly agree, different bands, different dynamics. What would Toto's Roseanna be without porcaro's choices on drums? Van halen's jump without the synth intro? 10cc's I'm not in love without the crazy production choices? Prince reportedly cherry picked elements from extended jam sessions to make his signature sound, but took the credit and the royalties. Touring takes its toll on every band member. What started out as a bunch of guys taking on the world slowly gets divided by wealth distribution and total exhaustion.

100 years in the future. Ccr's music will be as much loved as it is today.

fogerty music after CCR is mostly crap.just a bunch of hired hands backing him up, no chemistry at all. no drummer can duplicate Cosmo's sound & feel.along with Levon Helm, one of the most identifiable drumming sounds ever. fogarty didn't teach Cosmo to play the drums. the CCR (revisited) lineup with Eliot Easton smokes any live shows fogarty ever played with CCR, or solo. Tom Fogarty started the band & never gets his due or respect. give john a big beach towel to cry on.🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪

What's crazy is that it isn't "could have been recognized" but that they ARE recognized. Fogerty was just that good, that even with all of that he managed to propel his band to those heights in two years

@@lightdot459 I still have his solo career CD's and he's every bit as punchy as back then. Rock on Mr Fogarty!!!!!

@@theaustralianconundrum yeah one of my favorites from his is his Blue Moon Swamp album

He must have lacked the confidence to use session musicians for his entire career. He could have avoided all of the legal, professional, and emotional stress.

Wow-appreciate it! Glad you're here

Seconded!

@@StyrofoamBonfire I didn't realize that you're the one behind the Norm video too. Keep it up. This long form informational video format is exploding on RU-vid, and you've got a knack for it.

Jesus! What an incredibly well-made and witty video. I wish I were this clever. The map, the green line merging into his mouth, the timing on quotes. Really well done. Makes me think someone should do a Creedence biopic. Makes me think YOU should.

John Fogerty is like the Ralph Kiner of 60s rock. Ralph Kiner hit only 400 home runs, but he's in the Hall of Fame because his career was only ten years long.

I agree nobody sounded like CCR back in the 60's and still no band has to this day they had a unique organic sound and John had one of the greatest voices

Beatles?

@@___---__ Beatles?! Read the book (Fortunate son) and learn!

I believe the Beatles had at least 5 songs at #2. Probably more. I could be wrong.

@@___---__ Read the book!

Appreciate it!

​@Gordon Non-optimal sound balancing doesn't negate the rest of the edit. This is still really tightly made

The pinhead has opined today!

NORM!!!!!

Damn, that's cool, l lived by a marine base in '69, Koneohe, now l live by the Green River in Kentucky. I've always been a fan of CCR

​@@jakeroberts7435 Hi neighbor, Owensboro native here!👍✌️

@@kennyhuskisson2684 Hey, I'm a transplant, only been here a couple years, looks like its going to be my Alamo. I'm in Bacon Creek, they changed the name to Bonnieville for some damn reason. Bacon Creek, a town named that is pretty high up in the cool factor, my opinion.

Thanks for your service, from another fmr Marine

@@johndenugent4185 Thank you for your service brother! Semper Fi!

Yep. I always heard the same. That he had a huge ego and didn't treat his band members right. This video made me see it differently.

Great you got to see him in concert!

​@@joycebrackbill3577that's what I heard but that was all just jealousy and sour grapes talking

That is true though the tour that began in 97 or 8 was the first time he extensively integrated a large number of CCR songs into his concerts.

Vets probably would have been piffed, that was the soundtrack of their war

Correct!!! And it was awesome.

@@roberthill799 Not stated in the documentary is that Stu and Doug had formed CCRevisited and were playing the songs John had refused to play. So to undermine them, he began playing the CCR songs again. While John absolutely is the main talent in the group, he's no angel in this mess either.

I agree, after 50 years of playing badly I have lots of admiration for the truly talented.

What multiple gold records apparently doesn't matter how they play,

I found out by accident, this past week, how greedy these bastards can be! Sadly...one manager, supposedly, took out a life insurance policy on his band & didn’t fix their plane! They all died in it! The attorney & author of a book about this died at 63...after he lost his son & his wife & no real obituary. Can’t get a copy of his book either! He has no bio! It’s all shady as Hell!

There have been heaps of evil parasites in the music industry since the 60s. Not only did they rob them - they also over worked them which l now realise caused most of the alcohol and drug problems. Absolutely sickening that our societies have allowed this sort of exploitation of our creative citizens carry on for ever. They should have legal protection that sends such barststds to prison.

the laws were written by sharks and enforced by courts that lived in the shark tank.

Yeah you would never expect a guy like him to screw someone over financially. Really blindsided by this

​@@cynthiaennis3107 why should rock and roll be any different than any other business.. it's all about the money ..💰.. that's why it's called the music BUSINESS... ARTISTS AND CREATIVE PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS BE RIPPED OFF

I was at that concert too. That's the only time I've ever seen him. He sounded pretty good.

I appreciate it!👍👍

naw...lots more than we even know about...

10, but Elton john, and Prince are in there for sure..

There are two kinds of people in the world, those that believe that the world is comprised of two types of people and those that don’t.

@@davidsteinberg2120 : Elton John did not write any of his hits.

​​​@@davidsteinberg2120 Elton anyway whoever. Although Prince did write lesser hits for others.

@@dukeford8893 Why?

What were they like?

@@rolfanderson3925 I was in High School and Jeff and I with some other friends partied like rock stars. His Dad Tom was very nice and totally engaging. I'd say down to earth

Appreciate it!👍

Yo Quiero Taco Bell

Thanks! Yeah I’m a very surface level fan so it was shocking uncovering what happened to them/John

I was 15 when I bought the Proud Mary 45. Then one day, I flipped to listen to Side B "Born on the Bayou" and thought this song is even better. I don't think I've gone a day in my life without listening to or playing a CCR song in my mind.

Idem idem

The same happened to Paul McCartney. Paul worked really hard to make things happen, everybody liked the final result but resented Paul's leadership. Sad, but that's how life works.

One of the seven deadly sins : Jealousy : you know those scribes in the holy book got a lot of things right .

Ken, you put this in perspective, really well! Bravo!👍🇨🇦

@@jackmcdouglas4126 what water are you smoking? Lennon and Harrison are both amazing. John lennon solo career > wings or whatever band Paul was in

@@e7thstar I've never heard of anyone resenting Lennon or Harrison's leadership. But they've all picked on McCartney, it's all on the biogrophies, I'm not making this up.

Or... he should have (and possibly did) reminded them that writing hit songs is tricky business, and that they had accomplished that, and that changing the "recipe" could result in failure. Egos...... that was the problem.

John didn't abandon them because they were his friends (and in Tom's case his family), but he also wasn't able to shake things up and change the recipe because he knew what would happen: disaster. If the other 3 had hit songs or had the ability to write hit songs they would have done just that and it wouldn't have been an issue. But John's output speaks for itself.

@@collisw8302 Yep.

Very smartly said. Couldn't agree more. They were great, but John's was too far away in talent.

If there were three other characters as good as him in that band - it would have been another Beatles type supergroup. Just by himself with essentially studio musicians (CCR), he was at the top. For example: I think if you compare Paul McCartney (Wings) with John Fogerty (CCR) - you have two guys on the same level. Two very different styles, but both exceptional!