Why China is losing the microchip war

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And why the US and China are fighting over silicon in the first place.
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In October 2022, the Biden administration placed a large-scale ban on the sale of advanced semiconductor chips to China. They also implemented a series of other rules that prevents China from making these chips on their own. These chips are used in everyday technology, like our mobile phones and computers. They’re also crucial to military and intelligence systems, which is one of the main reasons they're at the center of a feud between the United States and China.
Microchips were first invented in the US in the 1950s, after which their use rapidly expanded worldwide. Since then, the supply chain for these chips has grown and spread to include countries in Europe and Asia. And while some countries have caught up to the US's edge in making these advanced chips, China still falls far behind despite multiple attempts to gain an advantage.
Watch the latest episode of Vox Atlas to understand why China is losing a new cold war with the US over microchips.
Sources and further reading:
We found this book written by Chris Miller very helpful for understanding the history of chip development in the US and the foreign policy behind its competition and feud with China:
Chip War: The Fight for the World's Most Critical Technology
www.amazon.com/Chip-War-World...
This book gave us great context on China’s efforts to acquire foreign technology:
Chinese Industrial Espionage by Anna Puglisi
www.amazon.com/Books-Anna-B-P...
Articles like this by Chien-Huei Wu helped us learn more about how much the US replies on east asian countries for successful technology:
thediplomat.com/2022/05/east-...
Reporting by Bloomberg helped us understand major IP theft cases related to semiconductor chips:
cset.georgetown.edu/article/e...
An excellent report for more detail:
Gregory Allen, CSIS www.csis.org/analysis/choking...
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@grpl69 Год назад

Some extra info: Zeiss, a german company that produces lenses is also the only company with the most advanced lenses which asml uses for their machines.

@brodoxl Год назад

yes thats why ASML bought a big part of Zeiss

@DrumToTheBassWoop Год назад

so whoever supplies the glass to ZEISS must be the most important origin story to the worlds chips. Or the people that supply the sand to the glass company, that then sends to ZEISS.

@grpl69 Год назад

@@brodoxl i didnt know that, thank you!

@mkploeg Год назад

@@brodoxl as far as i know ASML owns or has a big share in most of the companies that i needs to build the machines.

@zibbitybibbitybop Год назад

Things like this are part of why the supply chain for advanced electronics is far more complex and fragile than people realize. There are so many single points of potential failure.

@Drrolfski Год назад

I'm always surprised how relatively unknown a company like ASML is to the larger audience. It has a unique key strategic position in the world that no other company has. You don't often see that and it represents both a strength and a weakness for the free western world.

@sparqqling Год назад

@@Croz89 ARM is not as critical, RISC V is a good alternative. There is no alternative to ASML, Nikon has given up on EUV. They are decade or more ahead of everybody else.

@geoemm Год назад

It's not that someone can or cannot build it, it's that no one can afford to build it. It's too expensive to build

@sumansaha295 Год назад

How did china get to 7nm without ASML

@stashiv Год назад

It's not surprising at all. How many people know what lithography is?

@citizenkane2349 Год назад

"free western world" Ironic.

@kendrickainsworth8376 8 месяцев назад

Vox: China will lose the chip war Huawei : Hold My Mate 60 Pro

@KhangdrAntonio-hg2kf 8 месяцев назад

lol

@thesenate8477 8 месяцев назад

Yea china is totally winning they are so advanced they basically mass produced a chip technology which the world mass produced in 2016 (7 years ago) lol

@arnhut12-uy9ur 8 месяцев назад

Huawei still uses ARM architecture for their chips :(

@fmn0013 8 месяцев назад

Its chip uses outdated technology, but its price is no cheaper than new technology mobile phones

@aditsaki5697 8 месяцев назад

@@arnhut12-uy9urand he say win 😂😂😂😂

@johnyossarian9059 8 месяцев назад

This did not age well...

@bassyey Месяц назад

How? Nobody wants to use chinese chips. Trash performance.

@ayhamkimo4488 23 дня назад

@@bassyeyNobody? Chinese smartphones are everywhere in the world, we're all nobodies it seems

@Username-mn7pc 15 дней назад

@@ayhamkimo4488he is talking about chinese chips pal

@geoemm Год назад

ASML is the most important company in the world most people have never heard of.

@MaximSupernov Год назад

ASML is well known in Asia.

@samsonsoturian6013 Год назад

Well, there's Fiserv, United Health, Protor & Gamble, Merck and others.

@golfyoohoo Год назад

@@MaximSupernov NMSL is also well known in Asia.

@KICK839 Год назад

Most people in west*

@whatsursource Год назад

Might just be the reason the biggest war of this millenia. Technology has become the power of military

@pratickkkk Год назад

Every now and then Vox just makes me fall in love with this world and its geopolitics, loved it

@prajwalmeshram32 Год назад

You would love Johnny Harris as well then

@wrightclick Год назад

@@prajwalmeshram32 Pretty sure Harris get his start as a writer / producer for Vox, too!

@oduwancheekee Год назад

Pls don't call it "geopolitics", it's just international politics, geopolitics implies linkage to geography, which is just not the case.

@JeremySchilder Год назад

@@oduwancheekee I think geopolitics can be applied here considering we just stared at a map for 10 minutes and Taiwan is roughly 100 miles off the coast of China.

@omniyambot9876 Год назад

just so manyy inaccuracies in one video. typical video essays, but it's good enough for beginners. love the graphics.

@qoo4121 7 месяцев назад

China：Learn how to be humourous via Vox🤣🤣🤣

@RogueSkull 3 месяца назад

Humorous you say? Us has already developed chips in angstroms, not even nanometer scale anymore. China is 10yrs behind.

@qoo4121 3 месяца назад

@@RogueSkull Congrats to US😉. BTW not only chips, the age of the China president is 10 yrs behind US. And US people can enjoy developed Esptein island industry that China never had. 100yrs behind in this field. Show respect to US😉

@yadongzheng4821 3 месяца назад

@@qoo4121 When the Afghanistan, Vietnam and other nations that were 50 years or more behind the US in tech and industry, the Uncle Sam still could not secure a complete victory. Anyway, I completely understand the notion of the American. After all, their tech and industry have long located at the top of the world, and they are too immersed in this type of status. However, in their perspective 100 years may be long, but in our point of view, that's only a fraction of the history. In this case, if they claim that they are ahead of you for 10 years or 30 years anyway, just agree them. Do the right thing and make progress everyday is the most important. Please keep in mind my bro, each one step closer to them, their arrogance decreases one point.

@mr.alrightty2902 6 месяцев назад

This video has aged well - we banned a country with tens of thousands of engineers from accessing reasonable priced easily accessible chips, forced them to develop their own technology and now they can do it themselves.

@vipetherap2722 6 месяцев назад

You say "we" as if you are from America, but you are in China 🤣

@mr.alrightty2902 6 месяцев назад

@@vipetherap2722 sure basement buddy, I’m commenting on RU-vid in a country that has no access to it

@hanfucolorful9656 5 месяцев назад

@@mr.alrightty2902 You have access to RU-vid, but what you don't know is that China has so much fun, all kinds of entertainments, that are not available in the US and in the rest of the world, although we upload them (videos) to RU-vid, RU-vid (algorithm) does not send these video to English audiences, to make sure that the US and the English world do not know the real China. If they knew their faith collapse. How do I know this? I watched over 100 of these entertainments videos but noticed almost that the comments are in all kinds of languages but rare in English.

@GaryQ-ts3lb 5 месяцев назад

It kinda backfired. Forced them to give up on seeking sources abroad and gone onto a total different direction to solve the issue internally. Like they always do.

@petepowaaa 5 месяцев назад

The fab has to be profitable to be worthwhile. Huawei’s chip cannot be produced at scale hence it’s not remotely close to being a sustainable path for China

@SleepyGiant67 Год назад

I wrote my thesis on this very topic about 1 1/2 years ago and it is always great to see this topic get brought up more and more

@chadatchison145 Год назад

If you don't mind me asking, what do you think of a cold war with China? I'm reading that it's could be a good thing rather than bad, but no one seems give any details either way.

@Booz2020 Год назад

More and more HYPERSONIC Missile news update to come 👀💯

@demogia4996 Год назад

@@chadatchison145 The reason why the United States is in a cold war with China is to contain China’s development and prevent China’s GDP from surpassing that of the United States, not to defend human rights or ideology. Otherwise, there is no way to explain why the United States is still very friendly with Saudi Arabia and the US supported the Taliban organization, which later launched 911

@chadatchison145 Год назад

@@demogia4996 I know, I just basically want to know the pros and cons of a cold war with China, most people talk about cold wars as ominous and frightening but it seems to me that they add stability of sorts to the political world stage, but I'm sure there's more to it than that and I'd like to know the bigger picture.

@tm-te9mh Год назад

if you don't mind sharing it, would love to read it.

@bbtankc Год назад

The production of this is fantastic and really shows the pressures that both countries face. Great job by the production team.

@edgar.e.t.higgins Год назад

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@antihypocrisy8978 Год назад

The US is setting a precedent for China and India on how to bully others when they are the largest economy in the world.

@bhaskarmehra8758 Год назад

Really? Did you see the so-called exponential graph?

@AllendeNL Год назад

@@bhaskarmehra8758 you’re being knit picky

@bhaskarmehra8758 Год назад

@@AllendeNL no, I don't think so. especially when they use such a graph to explain an important underpinning concept. Like at 3:23, makes no sense.

@virusinc 9 месяцев назад

This did not age well.. Just 6 months later, Huawei is selling millions of phones with native 7nm 5G SOCs

@bannie8933 8 месяцев назад

You actually believed that Huawei could make the advanced chips independently? Well if they could really do that why are they keeping silent about the details of the chip?

@user-fv4kk8ec6f 8 месяцев назад

@@bannie8933 Then please explain who you think did it? I'm all ears.

@niuliu6504 7 месяцев назад

@@bannie8933 I think those chips are made by TSMC or Samsung or Intel, please investigate fully and sanction them :)

@SamuelSo1018 6 месяцев назад

@@bannie8933白皮猪现在还是想不明白吧哈哈

@Daniel-szj 6 месяцев назад

@@niuliu6504 Now it has been confirmed that it is China's own chip.

@ABb-eu1jk 27 дней назад

After a year， I just smile with no words~

@grahamflower6202 Год назад

As a person who has spent 35 years in silicon valley's chip industry, while this video has many things right it also misses many pieces of the puzzle. Labor cost is not the primary reason chip manufacturing moved offshore. A huge factor was that chip fabs are extremely expensive and capital for building them was very expensive in the USA in the 80s when this trend really ramped up. The inflation of the 70s was a mighty contributor to that. Yes, it is true that the south Korean and Taiwanese governments were very supportive of having their engineering students pursue graduate education in the USA and such students often dominated the Semiconductor section of American Graduate schools from at least the late 1970s. In my grad school 20 of 23 Research Assistants in Semiconductor physics were from either Taiwan or S. Korea. only 2 were Americans. Taiwan and S. Korea saw the strategic value while American politicians didnt distinguish between potato chips and semiconductor chips as one politico explicitly stated.

@JoeChang1999 Год назад

As a person who grew up in Taiwan, I can confirm that not only the country but the entire society encourages students to study EE. Ever since middle school, I have been told that EE is the king of engineering from parents, teachers, and the news. They don’t tell people to pursue their dreams like most Americans do. Instead, I was told that if I want a house, a car, and a wife, I should study EE. The successful path to take is to study EE undergrad in Taiwan, then EE grad in top US schools, and only after I’ve done that, I can have a life.

@01710F Год назад

@@JoeChang1999 same in here s.korea.

@alphatron464 Год назад

@@JoeChang1999So how are you doing now? Did you finish your graduate education in US or are you a engineer in TSML? I’m just curious since I’m also a student who will study in the US and might major in Electronic Microfabrication

@nababsk9153 Год назад

ঝ্যন

@buddhilal220 Год назад

@SidenoteChannel Год назад

Brilliant video. Thanks. While it may seem like the "chip war" is between China and the US allies, it's actually pretty 2 dimensional. US allies (Japan, South Korea and Taiwan) too are competing among themselves to out-pace each other. No one wants to end up in a situation where it can be casted out easily. While TSMC (of Taiwan) is building new plants in both America and Japan, their foreign investments do not involve most advanced technology, keeping the US' incentive to defend Taiwan from China intact. Both Japan and South Korea has announced their own set of lucrative subsidies to poach companies from each other countries. They are also worried about losing market share in China and China hampering the supply chain of raw materials if it feels cornered. This is just the beginning.

@bremcurt9514 Год назад

@@ThePirateParrot Explain?

@SidenoteChannel Год назад

@@user-gc1hg9sp9k True but as long as the politics side of things are concerned, this video sums up things pretty well.

@msytdc1577 Год назад

TSMC not building much internationally isn't about geopolitics and having a reason to defend Taiwan, it is a practical business case of having your engineers and researchers close to the manufacturing lines as there is a synergy of the various aspects of their business that having far flung branches does not grant them.

@SidenoteChannel Год назад

@@msytdc1577 Company's officials may know the real reason but there's anxiety among Taiwanese people for sure. Opposition has blamed the ruling party for "gifting TSMC to the US". The chairman of TSMC cleared the tension last December by telling that they're investing more in South Taiwan than what they did in the US. There can be more than one reason behind a move.

@Praise___YaH Год назад

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@eternalobi 8 месяцев назад

Maybe Vox should make a video about Why China is losing the Space station war. or the GPS war. or the EV war. all of which is sanctioned by the US.

@xukevin5271 7 месяцев назад

Hey, they can make a Video about 90 genders, China definitely falls way way behind😅

@joeblack888 6 месяцев назад

Well said @eternalobi! Space station is another good example for sure.

@thesheepthemightythecrazy 6 месяцев назад

@@glowiedetector sarcasm.

@venos7184 6 месяцев назад

@@thesheepthemightythecrazy 你看一下新闻就知道，目前神舟17号的航天员还在空间站上呢……中国研发GPS是不想在可能的战争时期受制于美国的GPS，这更多是军事用途，并没有输赢。至于新能源车，中国的汽车企业确实通过新能源车获取了很多中国国内的市场份额，而比亚迪的销量在前不久刚刚超过了特斯拉。感觉这个朋友的消息源确实很片面，可能这也是这个频道观众的共同点。

@Daniel-szj 6 месяцев назад

What you said, China has its own system.

@greenanthony5821 9 месяцев назад

Who can imagine China makes breakthrough only 7 months after this video was released. Slap!

@guill90 7 месяцев назад

What breakthrough are you talking about?

@tanjim4487 7 месяцев назад

@@guill90 China has 7nm chips already and they are about to ramp up production of 5nm chips in near future. So, the U.S. isn't really stopping them from getting the tech, they are actually fastening the process of new breakthroughs in Chinese chip making.

@GTFO_0 7 месяцев назад

😂😂😂trur

@flyingtothemoon4271 7 месяцев назад

Thanks US for sanctioning so China is developing their own. 👍 Congrats ❤️

@guill90 7 месяцев назад

@flyingtothemoon4271 China was already pursuing its own. SMIC already existed and was already getting subsidies.

@iZoid Год назад

I'm losing the chip war too. my brother got to the Doritos before I did :(

@shinsenshogun900 Год назад

Not the Doritos! Felt like the time I got caught in Pearl Harbor as the Yanks zeroed in on our Calbees

@rorytribbet6424 Год назад

Stay strong brother

@grimsobad8545 Год назад

Buy up the supply chain by learning how to make your chips and boom you dominate your brother now ;)

@JeepnHeel Год назад

I had a similar problem back in the day. Luckily, this is an easy fix -- you just need to identify and kidnap his top scientist. A few hours with The Machine and they will tell you exactly how he gets to them first. You will need to invest in parts for The Machine, but honestly they pay for themselves pretty quickly once you start feeding multiple scientists in at a time

@ON-YT Год назад

Lol

@TimeBucks Год назад

This was an absolute great video

@shameelan7708 Год назад

Great

@vasilemariangiarap7005 Год назад

Grozav

@mkgamingmlbb6558 Год назад

Good

@mr.surajkumar8070 Год назад

Great

@fabiohenrique709 Год назад

@TIMEBUCKS™ hi

@mtang5720 8 месяцев назад

Would you still say that now? Don't you feel like America has failed?

@martylei9803 Год назад

Vox had said so many things in this vid, but non of them are explaining why China is losing the war.

@Commander_HW 10 месяцев назад

because china isn't losing the war.... recently china banned the export of a rare earth element that is needed to produce the chips. So US has the software tech, a few European countries have the hardware tech, and Korea and Taiwan have the manufacturing tech, and china has the chip material.... so .... chips can't be produced without any of the parties mentioned above.

@garrison8020 9 месяцев назад

@@GigachadicusMaximus you are underestimate Chinese wisdom。we are all ahead the tech,but we won't prove it .we have already win the competition,for we won't need a union. only loser need ally.

@billyzhong1991 9 месяцев назад

@@GigachadicusMaximus we don't care if you bet money whatsoever, many "developed countries" have been eagerly expecting China to shut down for years and based on recent discoveries, those countries seem to be tearing apart from inside first. The guy above states the right point. Only losers need allies. When you can do it on your own, you don't even bother showing it off.

@cheungchingtong 9 месяцев назад

Because China is not losing it, and that is unspeakable.

@jsyo9639 4 месяца назад

VOX media editor, says alot, and who funded them. 😂😂😂

@cobalt1754 Год назад

As someone who works as a scientific glassblower for the semiconductor industry, it's really interesting to see the geopolitical impact of some of the components we use. We just make the glass and send it off, without really knowing how the apparatuses are used. This is the first time I've seen one of our customers mentioned outside of work.

@Fan4toggo Год назад

Do you work for Zeiss?

@arian6565 Год назад

how have you not already heard about this, this isn't recent news

@user-wg9zq1ee8f Год назад

我是中国人，中国唯一的错误就是威胁到美国的地位，从苏联，日本，欧盟，中国，美国打压中国没错，世界丛林法则，任何国家站在美国的位置，不会允许有人威胁自己的地位，所以让我们拭目以待，看看中美竞争，谁是最后的胜利者，大国竞争，小国成为牺牲品，别无选择，任人摆布😂😂😂

@blueorangesun Год назад

@@user-wg9zq1ee8f So stealing proprietary technology from companies who spent years and billions is ok here? From its history, ccp has proven again that they cannot be trusted with their word or their intentions.

@danzwku Год назад

which customer is that?

@mapletibits6372 Год назад

First, am not here to defend China (If you're a hater, then move on. I am here for evident-based discussion). Second, Vox team did a great job on summarizing tech/chip war happening now between China vs US in 10 min vid. My first critic, the title is an eye-grabber; this war is on-going and China has not lost yet. It should be better titled, 'Why China is losing the microchip war up to this point'. Now for some details not presented in the video to add another layer to this discussion. First point on microchip itself: while microchip indeed are essential in all modern tech, the advanced chips (10nm) and the ones that China is losing right now is the advanced chips (

@surelo9996 Год назад

China is theft of everything

@willaimoconnell9430 Год назад

1) a lot of real life counterfactuals would provide evidence that the not disciplined enough productivity slur is a racial trope and a self interested claim by a CEO. Doesn't matter, it's far from factual and clearly convenient. 2) 5-10 years in a Chinese sector known for extensive corruption and visionware is a long time and a long reality from consistent dependable quality chip production. 3) None of this mentions industrial software development skills. Which is a problem for China and subject to a whole separate ring of tech sanctions. 4) Capital is at a premium in China and all of this requires massive investment over years. I'm sure China could overcome this, but the list of other critical challenges is a long one. The real question is how long ( for I am certain China will) when several competing calls on national priority demand time, capital and human attention?

@surelo9996 Год назад

China will be giant north korea in 10 years. We will not be able to see chinese from china anymore like in 1980s. I remember when i first saw chinese in vancouver i was shouting : mom see, chinese. Just like if we see north korean on the street today...mom look, its north korean....

@user-mc1gc9uj5p Год назад

Dued , you really think this account videos are meant to discuss the real issue? They want to know what they already know.Don't waste time on them.They really want to know: when and how China lose.

@nickngunjiri4282 Год назад

@@surelo9996lol 😂 Chinese population in the United States existed before the 1980s, see Chinatowns in Manhattan, Brooklyn (three), and Queens. Manhattan.

@josephlagrange5158 6 месяцев назад

Vox: Why China is losing the microchip war China: Hold my beer

@user-zu8rt4gt3h 5 месяцев назад

No, no, we'll just silently watch，From God's perspective

@paulyiustravelogue Год назад

Great video. You managed to breakdown the complexity of this whole situation into easy to understand pieces for all.

@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings Год назад

Mind Begs the Question: Chinese Syping,TikTok - Not Ok Israeli Spying,Pegasus - Ok?

@boris001000 Год назад

@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings US PRISM: Amateurs

@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings Год назад

Mind Begs the Question: If TikTok caused no Genocide If Facebook caused Religious Genocide,Civil War Must Ban - TikTok,Facebook?

@yeeaahhzz Год назад

Johnny Harris's was pretty thorough, too

@tardre2 Год назад

Jeffrey Epstein Gaming

@SpyFromMarsZeus Год назад

I will come back in 10 years to check on this video.

@hughmungus2760 Год назад

yeah. 10 years ago they were saying china will never succeed in space. Today china is the only other country that has its own space station and can independently land a rover on mars

@haochengzhai7156 Год назад

无需阅读，这些都是假新闻。

@SpyFromMarsZeus 10 месяцев назад

@@hughmungus2760 Well, to be honest they just produce whatever people here wanna see, a clown behavior to say at the least, but hey, it grabs subs.

@humpydumpy2432 2 месяца назад

Chinese are laughing on this video because they are manufacturing 5 nm chips

@RiseOfAsia 9 месяцев назад

I'm watching this video on my Huawei Mate 60 Pro 🤣🤣🤣

@thesenate8477 8 месяцев назад

Ya Huawei Mate 60 pro which uses 7 nm chip technology which is almost 10 years old (IBM made first 7 nm chip in 2015). Losers 😂😂😂😂😂

@godless789 8 месяцев назад

@@thesenate8477 are you writing this on your iphone with a 20W charger that is 100 years old xD xD

@kaisiangtey8964 8 месяцев назад

@@thesenate8477 Currently only Samsung, TSMC and SMIC could mass produce 7nm at the effective cost and high yield rate.

@huanluo1741 8 месяцев назад

🤣🤣🤣👍

@xogeneral1512 8 месяцев назад

@@thesenate8477 source : hollywoood tells me that

@mangguodaren7366 8 месяцев назад

I am watching the video on my HUAWEI 60 PRO.

@RandallStephens397 Год назад

@1:16 You've incorrectly marked the input/output terminals as transistors. The actual transistors are all the stuff in the middle.

@veramae4098 Год назад

Thanks. And oh, that's funny!

@nakenmil Год назад

inb4 some really myopic computing nerd rages about how this entire video's point is invalid because of this minor mistake.

@sanchari.c Год назад

That's not at all what the original comment said. They just added that correction to the overall content, that's all - an interesting and important correction that many would like to be aware of, including me.

@percyvile Год назад

One of many small editing and fact checking fails we've come to expect from vox

@nakenmil Год назад

@@sanchari.c You seem to have missed my "inb4" ("in before"), which means I was making a joke about posting BEFORE someone does that, not that the OP was saying that.

@simony276 10 месяцев назад

China ultimately can produce their own chips. It’s a country full of talents.

@plantiron 9 месяцев назад

Talents that lack basic creativity 😂😂😂

@fg-ff9mo 8 месяцев назад

@@plantiron smile

@user-es5eo3tz7c Месяц назад

@@plantiron If your IQ exceeds 120, you will understand that it is difficult for smart people to lack creativity

@DrCK2012 9 месяцев назад

A sound slap in your face - Huawei has released 5G mobiles with indigenous 7nm chips.

@DragonOfTheMortalKombat 8 месяцев назад

7nm lol while the rest of the world is using 3. Who's loosing again ?

@DrCK2012 8 месяцев назад

@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Hope this mere thought makes you sleep better🤣🤣🤣... but unfortunately not for long.

@Not_a_lier 8 месяцев назад

@@DrCK2012❤you need EUV machines to move forward sry.

@chdv5736 8 месяцев назад

@@Not_a_lier probably 1 year I think cuz them Chinese cooking something 🗿

@DrCK2012 8 месяцев назад

@@Not_a_lier Ho really!? 😂 Who said EUV is a must for chips under 7nm? How come the Japanese claim they can produce 5nm chips by 2025 without EUV?

@4izm0v 5 месяцев назад

China is now making 7nm and 5nm processors. This video aged like milk.

@Lovric_F Год назад

This kind of videos are the reason why I subscribed to Vox. More of these please!

@Krafcisin19375 Год назад

Could not agree more

@masivuye4485 Год назад

Vox used to be the go to channel 😭😭

@rcbrascan Год назад

Vox is funded by the US government and it follows the US government views so there is an impartiality problem.

@hkhkl6630 Год назад

Johnny harris did the same video two weeks ago..

@AllenBaby7 Год назад

@@masivuye4485 Yess but now we have skilful creators from Vox independently doing video journalism like Jhonny Harris and Cleo. Jhonny's channel imo is more awesome than even Vox's.

@chaunceytao6957 5 месяцев назад

huawei : hold my beer

@user-yb1vr9xw2z 9 месяцев назад

HUAWEI:Are you sure about that?

@rubencouso7497 8 месяцев назад

This was ageing bad before Huawei Mate P 60 pro with 7 nm chip and 5 G with satellital calls :)

@eddiethedestroyer Год назад

Vox, please do something about your audio mixing so the music bed is not obscuring the vocals. This has become a common problem with much of your content. Otherwise, I love the work you do and the information you are providing.

@TheRealDoctorBonkus Год назад

Very true, it's turning into a Christopher Nolan movie on a bad day!

@someone-gb2ec Год назад

Missing microchip 🤪

@direnova6284 Год назад

@@someone-gb2ec Missing S :)

@205rider8 Год назад

Works for me as is.

@user-ks4eh4je8h Год назад

Cant hear a thing.

@riyantrianggaputra4118 8 месяцев назад

Pls tell me why china now had 7nm chip ?

@shooting4star2023 Месяц назад

The numbers in nm have become a marketing tool with less true technical bearing. Companies can call whatever they want. Huawei may turn around next starting calling their chip 1 nm.

@TellenJones 7 месяцев назад

Think they miss-spelled "Wish" as "Why".

@RyukoMeows 7 месяцев назад

This video aged badly.

@danxu3064 3 месяца назад

Like your mom

@RyukoMeows 3 месяца назад

@@danxu3064 This video aged badly.

@abdirahmanahmadalifarah926 2 месяца назад

@@danxu3064 😂😂😂 you're coping hard..

@johnli6430 8 месяцев назад

Huawei Mate 60 destroyed this video immediately lol Slap!Slap!😅😅😅

@GTFO_0 7 месяцев назад

Anyone' here after china's 7nn Chip Breakthrough 😂😂

@tx9ju 9 месяцев назад

Thanks to SMIC which produces Huawei's 7nm Kirin 9000 chip, Now China not only doesn't need TSMC but also ASML👏

@Not_a_lier 8 месяцев назад

Hello the world is currently on 5nm and preparimg for 3nm (atleast how they are branded)

@user-tx5es2hg4x 8 месяцев назад

@Not_a_lier well china is now 3 years behind , soon they are going to catch up good luck

@yerri5567 8 месяцев назад

@@Not_a_lier nm isnt everything. Even Intel had been stuck on 10nm for ages and was competing with TSMCs 7nm. Chinas SMICs 7nm N+2 is equivalent to TSMCs 5nm. Just with a 1-2% difference. Just google it if you dont believe me. And heres a fun fact, we are nearing the physical limitation on how small silicon chips can be made. The smallest silicon chips possible for humans to make is just under 1nm. So after a few years whats next? Many bet its on quantum computing. And Chinas already heavily invested in that technology

@johnyossarian9059 8 месяцев назад

@@Not_a_lier Just a few months ago most people would say China could never produce their own 7nm chips

@aburetik4866 8 месяцев назад

@@Not_a_lier but America is still only capable of producing 10nm chips, which heavily depends on foreign technologies like the lithography systems from ASML 🤭

@Light-gj8dz 6 месяцев назад

HUAWEI: Let's see why

@jglg7238 5 месяцев назад

this didn't age well.

@VICE-H3RO 8 месяцев назад

Aged like milk 😂

@jmg8246 27 дней назад

and 7 months after your comment...Think I'm going to put my gas mask on...

@zab321 Месяц назад

Watching this after Yellen went to China and told them about “overcapacity”! VOX staff: 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

@shaoyishi2100 5 месяцев назад

This video aged well...

@ibisa79 8 месяцев назад

Aged like milk

@gojosatorunitennitengojosatoru 8 месяцев назад

现在回来看这个真的是好笑~~

@CarlZha 2 месяца назад

Checking in 1 year later. How did it pan out? Laughs in Chinese

@Ateshtesh Месяц назад

OMG! I also follow your channel I came here just to see the commentaries now. Good to see you here! =D

@xpreame3406 Год назад

The Taiwan story is something people really need to pay more attention to. Learned a lot in this one.

@Manicsar1 Год назад

Need to read Chip Wars

@paigebooks6419 Год назад

yeah in syria also

@CM-fp2gz Год назад

🍼🍼 mommy. i'm thirsty

@mxmaverinho8115 Год назад

Yeah, my idea as well. A pretty great reason to "protect democracy" on 1 side of the spectrum and "reunification" on the other.

@demogia4996 Год назад

@@TimeTheory2099 What you think is too simple. The reason why Mainland China needs Taiwan is not semiconductors. If China needs Taiwan because of semiconductors, then China will try her best to stop TSMC from migrating to the United States, but the reality is that China has not done so. In addition, when semiconductors were not important, China already think Taiwan is part of China, and most countries in the world recognize it. Taiwan is part of China just like California and Texas are part of the US

@huawen630 9 месяцев назад

Last week, Huawei Phone with made-in-China MPU has been released, which support 5G network as well as satellite call at the same time. Let's tell whether China is losing the war after a few years from now.

@Username-mn7pc 7 месяцев назад

Its 7nm . Apple had 3nm chips

@ninjanick3152 7 месяцев назад

@@Username-mn7pc the first step is always hard,but its just a beginning

@Mr.O-Saft_2024 6 месяцев назад

😂😂😂😂😂 well this satellite call is working well hahaha

@shuli6021 6 месяцев назад

usa can not make 2nm chips itself@@Username-mn7pc

@juanpablosanchezaveleyra6454 6 месяцев назад

@@Username-mn7pcSo what? Do you even understand what the difference is between 7 and 4? It's just slight efficiency. 7nm is enough for anything in the world. 90% of the chip market uses 28nm+ including military. it's just phones that need smaller chips and a 14nm node that performs as a 4-5nm and the US labels as 7nm with 5G capabilities is enough to take back the stolen market share from the champion of "free market".

@princeliem 9 месяцев назад

this video is proved wrong by China.. lol

@pengjerry3843 6 месяцев назад

Huawei Mate 60 explained everything

@zhiwang6529 9 месяцев назад

Hold on we're not at the finale yet

@Wazoox 8 месяцев назад

In recent news, China produces 7nm chips with a good yield, which is as good as anything made in the US. They're closing the gap...

@magiclee1381 7 месяцев назад

@@IBMboy So who is the OEM of 7nm? Are you？😜

@virginiachang10 9 месяцев назад

Huawei mate 60 pro just came out 1 week ago. This video needs an update!

@gilgamesh7197 9 месяцев назад

Huawei chip still a garbage 😂

@jaoolai5299 9 месяцев назад

@@gilgamesh7197no doubt, just like Japanese products back in 80s, guess wht in your daily life now, you r using their products!

@marijnwicherink2304 Год назад

The story of ASML and Eindhoven itself is already a really interesting one. Great video!

@mrbardel4363 9 месяцев назад

China has not lost the war yet . and time is on the side of China .

@bowei1996 9 месяцев назад

Funny to see this video after Huawei released a full in-house 7nm chip solution on the new P60 Pro. China is tightening the gap with the leaders in microchip. A 5nm chip is coming soon. Stay tuned.

@gilgamesh7197 9 месяцев назад

Funny to see Chinese regard the trash chip as treasure. The chip is inferior to 865😂

@user-gn8nf7fv1t 9 месяцев назад

@@snoopysnoops007I believe

@delusionalz8707 8 месяцев назад

@gilgamesh7197 You crying, huh?😂

@Not_a_lier 8 месяцев назад

Do people even make an effort to understand semiconductors?

@yerri5567 8 месяцев назад

@@gilgamesh7197 "Funny to see Chinese regard the trash chip as treasure. The chip is inferior to 865😂" Im not sure what youre on, but the chips been benchmarked. The in-house built Kirin 9000 performed better than Snapdragons 865. And this is the next generation Kirin 9000S we are talking about

@keith6371 9 месяцев назад

today Huawei shipped its mate 60 pro, this video hasn’t aged well

@gilgamesh7197 9 месяцев назад

It’s a garbage, inferior to 865😅

@user-pl4ke6rk6w 9 месяцев назад

@@gilgamesh7197气死你咯哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈气死你略略略😝

@gilgamesh7197 9 месяцев назад

@@user-pl4ke6rk6w 就这么个垃圾芯片也得吹半天，笑死了哈哈哈

@my33311 6 месяцев назад

Are you sure China is losing the chip war? How about Huawei chip 9000s and 980A AI chip?

@glorioustrap 5 месяцев назад

China will soon run into a major roadblock called EUV, is only a matter of time before they overcome that, but the question is how long? The longer the chip disadvantage lasts for China, the harder it is for China to dominate the AI market, which is the most demanding field for semiconductors atm. However, once China catches up, China will present full-scale competition in every aspect of the semiconductor industry and the subsequent industries. China is not winning atm as they are still behind and have many obstacles to overcome, the items you listed indeed reflect their ambition and their potential. But they are still leagues behind and have much to catch up on, so those achievements It is not a signal of triumphant but a declaration of war, announcing they are still willing to fight back.

@my33311 5 месяцев назад

@@glorioustrap I am telling you right here. China doesn't need EUV to run a 7nm or 5nm AI or whatever chip. Does it make sense? Right now Huawei already made 7nm chips and AI chips. Right now. Your question how long is meaningless. When you reach 1nm that's it and no more. Everyone then will start all over again with new technology. China is still leading again. Frankly, USA is unable to win the tech war with China. Really hopeless. The USA has to accept its fate.

@glorioustrap 5 месяцев назад

@ql1162 No they need euv or other equivalent alternatives to go even further. Multiple exposure they r doing with duv is expensive and not efficient.

@glorioustrap 5 месяцев назад

Is called multiple patterning, that's how they achieve it. To achieve what they did, they had to expose it so many times, that is both costly and difficult to achieve, not to mention the yield rate drops with each exposure, and it will be harder and harder to achieve the smaller it gets. To put it simple, doing it with DUV to achieve 5nm is no different than making a wooden carving with a dull axe, while using euv would be like using a small knife.

@my33311 5 месяцев назад

@@glorioustrap harder it does not mean can't make. Yes it is called multiple patterning. Their target is to break the sanction from the US in the first priority in a short time. They will make their own EUV in the mid term and the long time they are using new technologies to replace EUV. Huawei reached the first target this year by selling their smartphone mate 60 pro with the 7nm chip technology. Currently China must make sure the sanction from the US is invalid to defeat the US.

@80130723 8 месяцев назад

Like countless " China is going to collapse soon reports ". Did not aged well.

@ScoobieDoo-zy1rh 9 месяцев назад

Huawei mate 60 pro - am I a joke to you ? 😂

@vzlfkr 18 дней назад

This doesn't age well

@chrischen1178 8 месяцев назад

Losing or Winning? Think twice before making any prediction content.

@varunshivan9569 3 месяца назад

Well, now we know for sure that China is "not" losing the microchip war. 😂

@2ONQ2 5 месяцев назад

This hasn't aged well, has it?

@yifuhood 8 месяцев назад

love to visit here again next year. maybe every year. I downond this video , for future use in my class. How's the Western media has the discrediting them self? Great historical evidence

@ruifenghuang1029 8 месяцев назад

I suggest the NYT piece "An act of war ..." by Alex Palmer

@behere146 6 месяцев назад

good job，guy😆 - from huawei mate 60 pro

@lupingyang2511 8 месяцев назад

Slap in the face 😂

@Tony-xj4he 7 месяцев назад

As a Chinese, thanks to the U.S. embargo, we couldn't have developed microchip technology without you. thank you very much

@Tan-fe4wc 7 месяцев назад

hahaha，comeback is real. Now they tighten the restriction even more, they really go all out in helping China developing her own technology.

@xukevin5271 7 месяцев назад

Yes we are grateful. Keep banning 😂

@user-hc3em9pz7z 7 месяцев назад

i admit we did help you. But we still have better chips maybe not for long tho.

@wadz555 7 месяцев назад

兄弟下次用中文评论😂

@CarolYeisley Месяц назад

哥们下次用中文更有杀伤力😂

@questtech2698 8 месяцев назад

Bookmarked so I can come back here for some giggles

@alexzhang1897 8 месяцев назад

HUAWEI:hold my Mate 60Pro🤣

@MrFunnybomb 5 месяцев назад

lol Huawei slap your face

@RealROI 8 месяцев назад

Lol Huawei thinks it's time to update this prediction 🤣

@Lightwing2001 3 месяца назад

Huawei: you said what? 😅

8 месяцев назад

This video didnt age well lol.

@jmg8246 27 дней назад

like a glass of milk or beer?

@dr.zschanel3671 7 месяцев назад

Watch out, all aragance are short lived

@fengkuangyu7116 9 месяцев назад

2023.08.29, Huawei released its new flagship smart phone, mate 60 series!

@yourdebankittoys8288 Год назад

Always love the videos in this series. Excellent job again!

@joem0088 5 месяцев назад

Famous last words of VOX.

@lisadsouza5061 Год назад

You can ban them from advance chips but you can't stop them from development. Sooner or later they will have to develop because it's also matter survival for them as a country.

@MrYoshigu Год назад

US banned China from the ISS, 10 years later…China has its own space station.

@Rai2M Год назад

A lot of countries keep surviving w/o developing chips.

@lisadsouza5061 Год назад

@@Rai2M did you read what asml CEO said today about baning china from so called superior tech.

@looseygoosey1349 Год назад

and? We want them to struggle. If it would have taken them 10 years before now it would take 15-20. Time is money and gives the US time to invest and R&D new tech to stay on top.

@zhiwang6529 9 месяцев назад

@@looseygoosey1349 lol let's see, you have a point but maybe China can go faster

@user-pk8rv6pc7o 9 месяцев назад

The last thing Chinese people lack is patience

@zhiwang6529 9 месяцев назад

This didn't age well...

@dan-bz7dz 5 месяцев назад

This aged well /s

@umbrelloy 8 месяцев назад

Just drop by to check out how accurate is this analysis. Btw, Huawei just released their Mate 60 pro.😂

@KMuse99 8 месяцев назад

This didn't age well. 😆

@namelesswarrior4760 5 месяцев назад

Well, it's 10 months later! Who is losing the CHIP WARS now? HUAWEI P60+

@user-nw3bj4yh5u 8 месяцев назад

HUAWEI MATE 60 PRO: I AM HERE !!

@user-zt2sd9ry3y 10 месяцев назад

As a Chinese, I'm more than happy that you really think so😊

@robinsonshawqx 7 месяцев назад

This didn't age very well

@glassesman5440 9 месяцев назад

wow Vox a great organisation with 0 credibility😂

@ngchenghow 9 месяцев назад

Huawei mate 60 5G selling, US already lose tech war

@iROChakri 6 месяцев назад

Yeah really? China losing? 😂

@joem0088 8 месяцев назад

After the Kirin 9000S chip and another 7nm graphics chip for a bitcoin miner, this video can be deleted. China catching up, far exceeding the US 28nm redline. Chip Act = Cheap Act.

@qizhang2032 10 месяцев назад

US and NATO cut weapon export to china, china developed the whole weapon sysytem by itself, EU excluded china from Galileo project and china developed its own Beidou navigation system, and now china can produce some old version of chips,

@jmg8246 27 дней назад

You left out the ISS...