Why China's Stolen "Stealth" Fighter is Problematic 

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The J-20 is an interceptor, not a fighter. It's designed to cover the long distances of the South China Sea with speed, launch big telephone-pole sized long-range air-to-air or air-to-surface missiles at strategic targets like AWACS, tankers, ships, and land bases, then return to base and reload. It's not a dogfighter. The PLA's doctrine is to overwhelm enemies with quantity, in this case quantity of missiles - land-launched, sea-launched, and air-launched simultaneously. Blanket the entire SCS in missile barrages. And they're producing both those missiles, and their launch platforms (J-20, Type-055, subs, land launchers, etc) in quantity. That's the real problem they're creating for US and allied forces in the region, quantity + range, not any one particular platform.

When talking about production numbers compared to the f22, the j20 has more, but you also must point out that the f35, which the US is dumping far more resources into, has well over 1000 units made, quintupling the j20.

the j-20 looks like an illegitimate son of the stealth fighter family

Correction. The F-22 was designed in the 1980s.

The F-22 was actually just updated to have an IRST pod and stealthy external pylons

America: “We don’t know what Chinese jets are capable of, but our flighter jets are much better than theirs.” Reporter: "????"

The F-22 is getting a 16-billion-dollar upgrade according to Sandboxx.

The F-22 is undergoing a *_massive_* upgrade. You should make a video about it.

the f22 they had at home lmao

A big heat signiture will not be picked up by radar. However, it will be picked up with any IR or thermal systems, like IRST.

The problem with reverse engineering is that you do not learn what doesn’t work, and why.

Last time i checked no 5th gen aircraft has a battle record worth mentioning

Minute 4: "the heat signature of the afterburner would be visible on radar". Are you sure???

You lost me at "the heat signature of the afterburner would be visable on radars."

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The Mighty Dragon is an interceptor and that’s it. It’s made to do long range interception/interdiction of our tankers and AWAC force multipliers. It will use its stealth to get deeper into the airspace and then fire long range AA missiles to pick off those assets from a safe distance. They have no intention of it dogfighting at all.

It looks like a re engineered F-22

Made by Temu lol. Now we know what data it actually collects. American stealth aircraft documents.

Why does the entire video ignore F-35? I get it's for the sake of argument and a more relative comparison, but the major reason why US has soo little F-22 cause it was a mostly prototype plane that didn't needed to be produced in such vast quantities back then. Now US has built over 1000 F-35 which are way more suitable for mass production and is a straight upgrade to F-22.

As a Chinese, I am actually happy to see Americans look low on the J-20, it really give our stealth plane another layer of stealth advantage when the war really comes.

I find it amusing that it took over 40 years for a aircraft to be designed and built that could compete with the F-22. NGAD is going to be wicked scary when it makes its appearance.....

The J-20 might have *some* advantages over the F-22, such as the F-22 having less capable sensors - but the F-35 still holds just about everything over the J-20 besides maneuverability and range.

So many experts on RU-vid that have flown the J20 😂

I guess the thing about how all the 5th gen now looks the same it's prolly cus how optimal the F-22 was designed to this day even after everyone else testing their own design it still can't beat the F-22 foundation look, so everyone decided to copy that but alter it slightly

Nope. Both F-35 and F-22 still has the 1st kill opportunity maybe even a 2nd one as J-20 is already proven to be less stealthy.

No gun is giving me f4 phantom vibes

"mom i want a stealth airplane" Mom: we have that at home (j20)

Why are you comparing this to the F-22 without mentioning the upgrade package for the F-22 that's has been happening since 2020 and let alone the F-35 which could easily wipe out the J-20.

china "copies" something it wants but it lacks one thing that no one can copy, the experience of using it effectively in war

What happens when two stealth fighters approach each other but can’t see one another? You’re gonna want a gun then.

americans always said “SU-57 sucks,J-20 is trash”, so idk if this is real or just a made out, just to make american looks still the best in air forces

why is the F22 being matched up against the J20? what is the point? The large range distances in the pacific will result in engagements between F22 and J20 few and far between, considering how they have to operate from land bases such as Guam/Korea/Japan etc. wouldn't it make more sense to compare the J20 with F35C? where carrier operations will allow them to operate nearer to chinese shores, and thus more likely to engage J20?

Unbiased videos are essential. who wins in real world will be decided in conflicts/wars.

As a Chinese lemme try to answer some of this in a nutshell for those who don't wanna watch the entire thing Was J20 stolen?: yes and no or at least 80% of it. Go research Subin f35 and f22 then you will come across one of the biggest compromises of US military intelligence. F22 and F35 were partially stolen and C17 was also stolen which lead to the development of Y20 Did it use russian engines?: Initially yes but now switched to a more stable ws15 engines but pretty much just reversed engineered russian ones with slightly better life span and thrust by a decent margin a decent margin Time gap advantages?: Hardly any for J20. F22 was designed to dominate the skies for the next couple of decades when it first flew which US already accounted for enemies having stealth technology as well. What they didn't account for is how would it try to dethrone the raptor from the 1st spot J20's sensors advantages over F-22: If we only look at this on paper then J20 dominates the f22 by a good amount. However, most of these crap we don't even know if it works properly but who knows? F22 is getting a couple billion dollar upgrade as well so nobody knows but the upgrade certainly removes the gap for sure. what I do know for certain is that J20 defo have a irst and head mount display advantage over the f22 since these tech russians have done it over and over again (even though the performance is dog water) why China needs J20: to project power outside of China specifically Taiwan and Japan duh. Also to match against American peers if US decided to interfere in Taiwan why doesn't it have a gun: When you have missiles as your primary weapon and you won't dogfight anyways why would you need it? US government response to J20?: the video mentions NGAD but the true threat still lies in pl15 being superior in range. Aim 260 was the response Overall J20 should not be feared but taken seriously for sure. A jet is a jet just like a gun. A shitty gun can still kill people like how a higher quality gun would. J20 may not be invincible or good against F22 or F35s but certainly a bigger than ever threat to 4th gens and tankers

If you suggest that the US does not have extensive espionage activities on foreign states and manufacturers, you would be wrong.

"Made in China" is synonymous with "Quality".

I didn't know Wish was a defense contractor.

While I agree the West should respect the J-20, fear is not an appropriate word choice. The J-20 was built to attack naval assets, as China felt it was the greatest threat from the West. The one area that should be considered is how the F-22 is being upgraded with IR tracking and stealthy external fuel tanks. Sandboxx News has a great video on it. Also, as for dogfighting being dead, think about it, with planes all having stealth, they will need to close into closer distances to detect and ultimately engage each other, thus providing more opportunities for dogfighting rather than less. The US learned its lesson about not having guns on its planes in Vietnam.

Sandboxx news has a video about all the upgrades the F-22s are currently getting, including infrared search and track targeting pods.

J-20 is basically doing what F-104 Starfighter and F-4 Phantom does in the Cold War. While the J-35 is equivalent to F-35A and F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.

To be honest, no matter where the J20's technology comes from, the J20 looks really cool.

China say, "You build NGAD, we'll copy it from you" 😂 (Improving it as well too 😋).

The US navy & military learned a valuable lesson during the Vietnam war. At first US fighters did not have any guns for dog fighting and the US military soon went back to a gun or cannon for all fighter aircraft. The kill ratio went up greatly against enemy aircraft after that. I don't believe any western pilot or aviator would want to go into combat without his/her aircraft being armed with a gun today. Shalom

suuure, yeah... fear it...

3:20 I've never heard of after burners showing up on radar however the ability to supercruise is important because afterburners burn a ridiculous amount of fuel as well as reducing the IR signature 5:30 A. most countries don't have IR guided bvr missiles so even aircraft with infrared search and track wouldn't be able to engage a stealth fighter with out a radar lock or being close enough to fire a fox2 B. The thing about stealth is if it gets close enough you're going to get a return so it's not like a stealth aircraft is immune to a radar guided missile C. It's worth noting that the f22 is being updated to have a infrared search and track system installed in fact it's scheduled for testing around this time of year

The whole fleet of F22s will be retired by the 2030s due to costs and other issues. So comparing F22 with the emerging J20 is quite meaningless, if not irrelevant.

Did I hear this man say that the heat signature of the j 20’s engines would be picked up on radar??? 💀💀💀

Hope you can have a video about Type055

"Guns aren't necessary in modern fighter aircraft because new long-range munitions technology makes close range dogfights unlikely." -Tell that to early F-4 Phantom pilots during the Vietnam War.

The Chinese Tofu aircraft built in the 2020's using stolen 1990's designs and calling it a modern stealth fighter is embarrassing.

U.S. is moving on from the F22 with the NGAD, which has significant technological upgrades. What we don't know is the quality build of the J-20. It's already a maintenance nightmare with the F-22, only because the quality of maintenance and technical support is important. Who knows what the Chinese are going through.

"Mom can we have a stealth fighter?" "We have stealth fighter at home" The stealth fighter at home:

THEY COPIED EVERYTHING BUT THEY CANNOT COPY WHAT THEY DO NOT KNOW !!! THE QUESTION IS WHO IS GIVING THEM THE INFORMATION???

"... the heat signature of the afterburners would be visible on radars..." Uh... no. No, it wouldn't. Radar doesn't pick up heat signatures. Infrared sensors is what it would pop up on. (Which, by the way, is more of a "your missiles can't get a reliable target lock on me" than "you don't even know I'm here" type of issue.)

Not having a gun might not make that much of a difference. Everything nowadays is largely engaging beyond the visible range and if that isn't working something completely different has to engage instead, such as ground-based AA systems. Dogfighting is something of an old era where visible-range fighting was the main way of fighting.

Stock footage - check Wikipedia 'facts' - check no new or interesting info - check ... Yep it's a 'not what you think' video....

Made in China so should not be an issue

Compared with F20, the biggest disadvantage of F22 are not only its out-dated electric awareness and its fuel shortage, but also its shorter range missiles, it can not go longer distance and it could be shot down before escaping, although its radar is under upgrading, it still couldn’t solve the fuel shortage issue.

The upgrades to the f22 should help it be a bit more capable. Stealth drop tanks, irst pods etc. we shouldn’t discount the j20 but it’s also set up around a different role and I’m betting we have systems capable of getting a weapons grade lock on such a relatively large radar target

I love this guy’s voice! It’s like a Simpson’s construct of a far Eastern Charles Bronson. Superb.

Mom, can I have an F-35? We have F-35s at home F-35s at home:

Good thing the f22 is getting an upgrade that includes an IRST sensor

Calling the Chinese or Russian jets stealth is a massive misrepresentation of facts

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The plane is as good as the pilot makes it we don't fear cuz we know the ins and outs we have great pilots

Why does everyone keep calling the J20 a stealth fighter when the Indians keep saying it has a large radar signature and confirmed by the US as many multiples of the current and aging F22?

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The no-gun strategy will come back to bite them. Unlike the video, I would argue a head-to-head fight between stealth aircraft is actually MORE likely to end in a dog fight. Between that and the upgrades the F22 is currently getting it is going to be an uphill battle for the J20. It will still largely come down to the pilot in the plane though.

That new Chinese AEW plane looks strangely familiar!

People pitting J-20 against F-22 do not understand the grand scale of things. F-22 is built as the Air superiority fighter, being capable of Beyond visual range engagement, short-mid range combat with IR missiles, and if it comes down to it they can dog fight with guns. No doubt the F-22 is superior in nearly every aspect and has a higher chance of winning against the J-20. J-20 was NOT built to be an air superiority fighter. In fact, their decision to remove the guns altogether points to a fact that the Chinese do not intend to let the J-20 stay in the airspace to contest it against enemy fighter after they use up their missiles. They most likely won't stay to fight. Instead, the J-20 is like a Missile bus with its large payload. They use their large numbers and stealth to try and sneak in and move in as close as possible to enemy support assets like AWACS and Air refueling tanker planes and unleash their missiles before getting back to base as fast as they can. The chinese only need to destroy these assets and their adversaries will have a difficult time operating in contested airspace.

Your idea of the J20 is much higher than it’s actual capabilities 😊

no mention of the recent 16 billion dollar upgrade to the f22 adding technology that this video says it lacks

"The heat signature would be visible on radars..." Yeah checks out just like my Geiger counter registers dead batteries or a thermometer can spot people talking out of their ass on radio. And don't come up with "ionization due to heat leads to radio reflections".

The f22 is getting a major upgrade to include more advanced avionics and targeting, including irst and others. This will be a major jump for the f22 and help it to bridge the gap to the 6th gen fighters that are coming. As well as providing a test platform for some of the tech planned for 6th gen fighters.. It an even match the j20 isn't a match for even the f35, let alone the f22. The problem is if there are enough j20s to overwhelm the systems of allied forces in the area...

Lots of variables. I am still considering what the game will be for Meteor and AMRAAM BVR and the role of gunships associated with stealth units.

They might not have the quality but they definitely do have the ability to make large QUANTITY of aircraft

Even the mighty F-22 Raptor didn't use it's guns against a weather balloon that isn't flying very fast.. and uses not 1 but 2 AIM-9X .. amazing kills

The F35 guns is a mistake, base on the little I know About it. The whole aircraft is made for BVR, you get there, you shoot them down, and none has noticed you. If one of them manages to make it a dog fight, you are in trouble. One quick, 737-max style, solution is to just ditch the machine guns and add sensor on their place and more counter measures. That is like one or two tons worth of stuff you can cram in there, without adding much weight or changing flight characteristics. Yes, that means the F-35 would be out once the missiles are depleted, but in stealth.. once you fired your shots, you should have been long gone.

Oh man... Just looks at those comments. Those "expert" doesn't even know what they are even talking about. Even the us official actually feared it and do not underestimate it. And most of them didn't even watch the video till the end.

Although I agree the j-20 radar cross section isn’t great you have to consider the direction on how a radar system hits the j-20. The direction and angle plays a big role. It could be semi decent in a head on but I doubt it would be even considered stealth if tracked from an odd angle. This Also applies to the bottom belly of an f-35 for example. A radar cross section isnt static is what I’m trying to say. The Canards of the j-20 is also pretty bad in keeping its stealth characteristics.

Very recently, the DOD upgraded the F-22 and a picture of these upgrades were captured, showing the Raptor with its own special radar reflecting fuel tanks under the wings and mostly unknown detection pods on the outer portion of the wings

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“Your blue chews device is weddy to pair” (yes i know it’s spelled “ready”)

China doesn't need f22 or f35 which have hundred of technical problems. Less than 50% are airworthy.

Though the J-20 is designed as sort of a long-range interceptor, to intercept and interdict particularly AWACs, tankers, comms relay etc; the F-35 will have no problem detecting and tracking them from several hundred miles with its AN/AAQ-37 EODAS. Furthermore, the F-35 can transmit and share this info to other fighters, AWACs, Navy ships or even ground assets.

F35 cannot be classified as a 5th generation fighter, as it lacks some of the crucial features like supercruise, supermaneuverabilit etc.

Radars do not detect infrared signature.

haven’t watched the video yet but i’m not getting caught dead fearing this hunk of junk

To be honest, some commentwriters are simply arrogant to believe that american tech is more than 20 years ahead of chinese.

1:03 a little bit of this, a little bit of that.......What could it be like if it is not "a little bit this and a little bit that"?

The way people severely underestimating China is too worrisome, especially after witnessing the west's half ass support to an ongoing war in Ukraine, the US sudden withdrawal Afghanistan, the EU heavily dependent on Russia's oil and gas. I began to be more skeptical towards western countries especially NATO members about their military capability and how they are going to fare with the new upcoming threats in the future conflicts. Not saying that the west will be completely destroyed but more like they will not be performing as well as they claimed. Edit: Grammar

Can't wait for new TopGun: chinese version

someday you will say china is stealing from the alien😂

What confuses me about the j-20 is the canards and the fact it has no gun to pair with them they are only useful in close up engagements as much as guns are. makes me think the design team had originally different intentions for the j-20 and politics made them change it.

As soon as a J-2 does a hard pullup those canards will defeat any stealth that it has built into it.

We will find out when the J20 and F22/F35 gets updated into War Thunder. Secret documents will start flying around.

Sure it shouldn’t be ignored however I’d say it’s advantages are outweighed by it’s disadvantages. Additionally in long range combat the missiles a plane carries are an extremely important aspect, one that tends to be hard to find data on for obvious reasons

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