WHY CW SHOWS KEEP GETTING WORSE (Video Essay) 

All American is a good show. But Barry and Iris growing up calling the same person dad and getting together, absolutely was crazy.

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They do not shoot multiple Seasons for the shows up there at all they shoot 1 season at a Time as they are large season and they do take breaks they cant shoot more then 1 season as they dot know if they will be back for the next season to have another season as well as the producers and writers write throuut the time off and during the show the 23 episodes they usually ae set to Film . it Cost lots of money to Film ese shows regardless where they are Sot at so shooting Multi seaso in 1 sle run would make no sense and also Brakes between a season the Actors have roughly 3 maby 4 months of Off time as wel before the Pandemic they wold start filming in Mid july and Film till March with Holiday Break ok Sorry long Rant but roughly that is how it is done and why they dont film more then 1 season of a show .

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The team in the base always comes up with a magical solution that let's the hero defeat the villain. It's BS. Especially in the early seasons of The Flash.

I hate that shit. They got it from Buffy, but it worked there. Arrow really went down hill when he had more people then just Diggle and Felicity. Season 1 was perfect Arrow.

It's even more disappointing when you realize the flash in the cw universe has had his powers for 8 plus years and still needs an entire entourage holding his hand just to beat a basic ass villian especially with a power as op as his but the flash was a lost cause since season 1 and its too far gone now so I just hope they end the show already instead of dragging it on for another 20 seasons

I kinda think they do this on purpose to prevent being 100% reliant on the main actor. The seasons are long and having a team/supporting cast help with the workload and also make it easier when they do the crossovers.

I would love for a show like The Flash to lose his team and his speed thinking would have to kick in and work in a fight to think of a solution

*refuse to kill off the new characters nobody cares about, at least flash has no stakes anymore

I loved Arrow when it first came out, but then it became college esqe camp. Like, there is always a storyline where someone is keeping a secret, and they can solve their problems by simply telling the truth, but then the truth comes out there is chaos

Except batwoman that was shit right away

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I've never seen a CW show that even started off well...for me anyway.

Yeah..... Barry Allen being a whiney little shit and cheesy effects which makes DC Universe tv shows like Titans better.

*Meanwhile in Daredevil*

U mean the The Flash LOL

@@kingmanalo2881 yea "stupid face expression"

There’s also this thing they do. I don’t know if there’s a term for them. I call them CW turns. Two characters will talk, character 1 will leave and character 2 will call out character 1’s name or tell them to wait or something, character 1 will stop turn around and character 2 will give a speech. I don’t mind this once in a while, but it gets annoying when it’s done all the time.

Me myself thought it was cause they keep making every show have relationships ....

I kinda like that though. I like when side characters become one of the main characters over time.

I agree the side characters often take away from the main characters instead of enhancing them.

yeah. Its because they have a bunch of episodes (which they don't even needed to produce so its just pure stupidity), so they have to fill them with other characters, so the main character just gets lost.

@@ohnobro1424 i agree but a lot of the time it feels rushed

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That was always my issue. I don't care about the personal drama and love lives of the super heroes. I just want them to punch the bad guys in the face. That's all I want to see. The wokeness was too much for me on a lot of these shows.

@@edub3030 exactly

@@edub3030 But if all they do is kick punch kick punch, they get no character development. You wont be sad if they die, or leave etc. Theres no emotional investment then.

@@theminecommanders8013 The bad guy is coming to destroy the planet, is it really a good time to share your emotions? I am fine with character development over the course of a season or 2, but by season 8, you would think the hero would learn from mistakes and then do what needs to be done. Everytime I watch the CW super hero shows, the hero always needs a pep talk. Supergirl was famous for this.

@@edub3030 that’s not necessarily the problem, is how Kay written and how frequently. CW is just politely written and repeats so many things. I have a show that I really like that is pretty much character driven with the good guy beating the bad guy in the backseat. And yet, despite him getting a pep talk so many times, not only are each one unique, but impactful and develop every character affected. And all the characters have so much depth that for until the story ends (the author said it’s halfway now), they will constantly be developing because they all have little things about them that makes theme good and bad in some situations. A characteristic that may have not been an issue now is. What you want should still be done. Not everything needs to be that well thought out, but just a reminder what cw does isn’t necessarily bad, it’s just they make it horrible

they have been cutting it down but i see what you mean

I agree, but that would make it harder for them to get to that golden number of 100 for syndication.

If the writing was better, I don't think that would be an issue. I mean, Buffy is basically a superhero show and if there were any filler episodes after the first season, it was probably just two or three per season. I actually like the monster/villain of the week format and think we've gone too far away from that with certain things. I like the fact that I can watch a single episode of Buffy without it being bogged down with the major plot line of the season. And with shows like Discovery, I really miss the episodic nature of the show.

@@billybatson7852 yeah, but that doesn't work for superhero shows as they need to have an overarching plot and get bogged down with filler. They really should cut it down to 9-13 episodes, or even 6 episodes.

@@projekttaku1 Anything can work if the writing is strong enough.

Just because you pointed this out, I clicked "like" on the video. More 'tubers should put forth their criticisms calmly and rationally.

everyone wants to like the shows and are consistently disappointed and it makes people angry that they could have an amazing show that they would love, and the CW keeps fucking them up. So, they hate and express their anger towards the CW to make themselves feel better. They give people so much hope and proceed to do the same stupid shit without even attempting to change, they don't listen to criticism and make the entire industry look like a joke. Everyone wants to like the shows because it's a show that they always wanted but it's like investing in a company and then not getting any profit because the company was braindead. Anyone who knows how and cares about story telling could have done something with these shows but instead they belong to the CW so now it ruins every single one for all time and now were pissed bc we were robbed of good entertainment. Bottom line they deserve the hate and should honestly be shut down, what they are doing is a crime against the art of storytelling.

@@jessejr6195 what they need to do is to cut the episodes down from 19-22 episodes per season, to 6-9 (and maybe 12 episodes) per season, so they don't have as much dumb filler and higher budget per episode.

Haha yeah very hero shouldn't have a team. And WB wouldn't let cw touch Batman with a 1000 foot pole lol

If the team doing Superman and Lois got their hands on the Batfam, I think I'd be a lot less reluctant to want a Batman show. If it was going to be anything like the other Arrowverse shows though, nah, they can stay away lmfao

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what a gigachad. Straight up not only found the core problems with the CW shows, but offered a great solution to it with only 12 subs.

Yup! Legends is so underrated

Yeah that’s also why Superman & Lois is doing so great. Less episodes & less connectivity & reliance to the overarching CW universe gives the writers more breathing room to flex their creative muscle. The fact that the CW hasn’t had a profit for years is proof that quantity doesn’t beat quality.

Superman & Lois, Legends of Tomorrow and Stargirl are the only shows that are doing good in the arrowverse imo. And yeah LoT is seriously underrated. People think it is nonsense but they dont understand that the show is supposed to be nonsense. Thats what makes the show great.

@@beebothegodofwar1450 I could watch LOT if the acting was bearable... Too bad it's God awful

​@@blizzen Its not as bad as u r saying. Yeah some of the actors are new and all but most of them who were there from the start are really good actors, like- Caity Lotz, Nick Zano, Tala Ashe even Behrad (I forgot the name of the actor). And even if they are bad at acting, I just watch it for their funny storylines. At least, each of their characters get a full arc of their own. Anyways, its just my opinion.

legends actually went uphill tho

I think arrow went downhill but flash went downhill when they recycled villains reasoning and I don’t think legends went downhill

The Arrow writers didn't understand that audiences didn't like the Oliver/Laurel relationship because of all the stupid, unnecessary drama, and that Oliver/Felicity was more popular because their dynamic was more open and didn't use all those tropes. The more prominent Felicity became as Oliver's love interest, the more they wrote her and her relationship with Oliver in the exact same way that fans hated about Oliver/Laurel (conversely, as Laurel got demoted from official love interest, she eventually got better writing and people appreciated her more),

@@StarryEyed0590 most viewers preferred quirky and inappropriate IT girl who Oliver brought laptops and arrows too. Once it became Felicity Moral Hour, the show fell off hard.

Same fam I was 14 when I watch the flash now I’m 22 years old look back all the seasons it’s all cringed. Matter of fact I stop watching the flash like season 5 I just stop see too many flaws that this show has rinse and repeat like this video explain. It’s normal that you see this crap when you’re older bc now ur more careful on which it’s good or bad

@@reborngreatnesss5712 it's also the because the shows are literally getting worse. I've been watching the CW since it was the WB17 in early 2001 and I can say this is the most cringe I've seen on this channel in the last 20 years.....it's bad

@@devonjames7999 go watch Madvocates video "the flash is insufferably inconsistant season 1" he makes the argument that the flash was terrible from the beginning.

@@vice2versa I watched about half of it and I know exactly what he's talking about and I noticed those inconsistencies watching the show in the first 3-4 seasons, but I didn't mind it because they don't do this in just CW shows it's the plight of all superhero media. Marvel and dc shows cartoons or live action they dumb down the heroes and create inconsistencies for the sake of plot and only show their actual power when it's convenient or create unrealistic scenarios for the sake of a certain situation it's happened in all for generations in superhero media but there is a reason why people early flash is good. That's because there is a plausible unrealistic realm that all superhero shows go into because it's Television and TV is supposed to do 2 tbings, keep you watching and make money. People understand that subconsciously and as long as it's entertaining with good story, sub plots, relatable,character development, and good dialog it gets a pass. But even that In the flash is gone along with flash going past that realm of plausible unrealistic I mentioned. He has good points, but things he talks plauge all superhero media some media just does it better than others.

either die a good show of stream long enough to see yourself become a bad one

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Yeah fortunately I stop watching the flash Season 5. These CW TV shows in general is too much crap ofc I can say a lot of things of the flaws of CW. Heck of flash community saying “tHe ShOw iS GoOd wHy ArE yOu HaTiNg oN It?” Like I can nitpick the THINGS shows imo humbly when it’s RINSE AND REPEAT 🔁 that’s bad on CW.

Superman is cool

Why do TV graphics getting worse and worse each year? I mean its 2022 now. My games have better graphics.

@Lorenzo Smit I don't think it will. At least not to the same extent. Superman & Lois isn't forced to tell its story over 23 episodes like the other CW shows are. Superman & Lois also has the backing of HBO Max hence its higher quality production and writing so far. Superman & Lois is very removed from the other CW shows despite still being in the same universe.

It also seems to know what it's doing from the very beginning; it knows where its focus should be. I have to say, I was hesitant to watch S&L when I first heard about it because I knew it was a CW DC show, aaand I could not stand the other Arrowverse shows. Gave it a go, and in the end, it became one of my favourite DC series. They just... they just *get* what Superman is about, which is more than can be said for some of the comic and movie writers.

legends of tommorow is underrated too

@@mouliknanda no it’s not it sucks

@@mouliknanda this show and the new Superman and Lois are the only two I look forward to nowadays, as for the Flash i'm just seeing what will happen cause it will probably end in season 9, it has to.

There are people who don't hate bash for the sake of hate bashing. I was in my early 20s when the Arrow show first came out, same with Flash. I watched both but by the time Legnds came around and we got to about season 4/5 of Arrow and Flash, you could tell the writing had gotten wrose. And even then, looking back on these shows, I don't even think they were that good to begin with either. Although Legends was horrendous from the start. I grew up with Smallville and loved it as a kid. However, as an adult I can recognize it isn't that good either.

@@mikel6090 I am fully aware that there people who don't hate bash the Arrowverse for the sake of hate bashing I was talking about how it's hard differentiate people who have valid critiques and those who just hate bash for the sake of hate bashing. Especially when it comes to the latter the internet makes their voices louder than what they actually are so because of that it makes harder to find people actually have valid critiques

@A dudes thoughts like what? Imo the episodic format was the biggest reason i could not connect with the cw shows, plus it just had a huge corny vibe to it with plotlines that went nowhere and feel like a waste of time. This is one of the few guys that finally addressed that issue.

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The filler is nessecary. What you seem to forget is that certain shows that have 8 to 13 episodes per season also have a much much bigger budget. A show such as The Flash for example generates budget through viewership and additional deals such as Netflix and their streaming rights for the show. But beyond that the show isn't financially backed by an outside source. The filler is simply nessecary otherwise the shows would have died out a long time ago.

Nah. It all depends on the writing. I've seen short shows with weak writing and boring plot. I'd rather watch longer shows (with a good and interesting plot) because the characters are much more developed

@@CarlosHuiskens I mean I feel that. But shows like stranger things were made on similar budgets. But it works because is a contained story and isn't episodic. And DC doom patrol which is in my opinion their best show only costs about $56,000 an episode in season 1 and is AMAZING.

@@CarlosHuiskens I can see what you mean by that. and sure, filler is necessary for viewership, but too many fillers and how many consistent viewers can you really count on?

I enjoyed Titans, more than I thought I would.

@@Eternaldarkness3166 it's really good.

Current Legends >>>>>> any s1-2 episode

@@vecnahenrycreel1300 if ya like comedy. It doesn't work for me. Only Guardians does

@@Eternaldarkness3166 Personally I think Titans S1 was good, S2 was absolutely terrible and S3 was between the two previous ones.

yeah but if they remove the soap opera's and filler and shorten the seasons, they'll have a bigger budget.

Every directors need to use his budgets wisely, a lot of shows has less budget but they are really good. Can you believe first season of The Walking Dead has less budget than The Flash.

It's not even that they dont have the budget to make a good show. Most of these shows have higher budgets than Breaking Bad but it just doesn't work for a superhero show

@@barry8871 yeah, its crazy.

That’s one of the most disappointing things about the cw superhero shows. Fights are always short. There are some good fights like Arrow, Flash, and Firestorm vs Reverse Flash, but even that’s short. It’s four minutes long and the LAST four minutes of the episode.

The later seasons were so painful to watch. And the finale was just got awful! I only watched out of morbid curiosity. It’s like watching a train wreck it’s too horrible to look away.

EXACTLY I really hated wasting time watching that crap 💩 it lasted wayyy too long! And it’s just a pile of shit

I dropped off at like season 8 or 9. Then they just lost me.

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp for me I stopped like in the middle of season 10 I didn’t really hear about the show until season 7-8 but now I just wish I realized how lame and stupid it was because it’s not really good to watch and it got ridiculous overtime

@@gilbertmillers4865 It really did. They gave God a sister. Wtf?

honestly bro, they don't keep getting worse. they always been bad. just my two cents haha

@@Chudsic arrow and flash season 1 and 2??? Bad?

Still thought smallville was awesome though

Stargirl and superman and Lois are pretty decent shows especially in comparison to the current flash

Well, CW didn't start going downhill until recently. Plus, not much shows going on. Just Arrowverse, Walker, nancy Drew really. I want to start on Waller, but not much else worth starting. CW was pretty strong during Smallville's time. And it was PIX11 for much of Smallville if I recall correctly.

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Thank you for an excellent essay, and for keeping the language clean. 👌

There are two good shows left on Channel on top of that I would say there’s nothing wrong with 23 episodes I can certainly watch 23 episodes if every episode is compelling and drawers you in based on story

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This is an awesome take. Really broke it down. And the shows have so much potential. If you ever do a follow up: That Flash forward Episode during Armageddon has EVERTHING you've outlined.

Haha yeah it's ridiculous, but the good kind of ridiculous

Legends is unironically the best current arrow verse show

No actually it is Superman and lois or black lightning

@@thebatman9961 super man and Lois isn’t even a CW produced show. HBO Max makes it but it airs on the CW. BL I am not sure if it’s made by the CW

It's the live action Saturday morning cartoon I always wanted.

Exactly! It can works in comic books but you can read and wrap up a comic book in ten minutes lol. That would've been a cool idea to let Wally take over eventually. Thanks for tuning in 💯

Yeah I stopped watching the flash about 2-3 seasons ago but then when I saw a teaser for the latest episode last week I was like why are all these characters apart of team flash

I feel like they know what they are doing though. They're taking the lazy way out because they can still make a profit this way. Make a show seem like it's new by adding in new characters. It makes the story feel like it's been refreshed or renewed and it does to a point keep the audience around a little longer, long enough for people to be hooked to serve the profits they need. This effect loses its influence/power by the end of a season and they repeat what they've done with another character, tweaked just a little bit for it to seem different than before. Sometimes (in the case of the Flash), a plot twist is repeated but due to another choice that was made that produce the same results for Barry. However, I lost interest in the Flash because how many times can he mess up his mother's timeline before he learns? For me, he wasn't ever a hero because he messed up too much and made too many choices that lacked common sense. A hero is supposed to mess up for character development but they are not supposed to repeat their mistakes. Part of what makes a hero is that they show us how to learn from mistakes. The CW writers do this on other shows too. Supernatural is a great example. In the later seasons, they make huge promises of a big bad while having the brothers promise not to ever betray each other and to leave the past in the past. Then a bunch of epic fails happen and they're right back to their soap opera to serve the season finale which often ends in the same way either anticlimactic or far different than what was foreshadowed. I'm glad people are starting to catch onto this. I've been easily losing my interest in CW shows for a while now.

@@gandrewlee3 yah very much agree, its annoying to see that character development get built and then knocked back down like...why did he build all that up and learn from that so they could just make him have to learn the same thing he already learned from again...... it ruins everything about the show, and takes away all the purpose that it is suppose to have

@@gandrewlee3 yeah and another CW show The 100 is like that also. Like how many freaking times is Clarke going to be the one that saves them at the end of every season. That was real annoying for me. And also some characters don't learn from their mistakes

Agreed. That's why I kept it out of my critique 🙂

Legends is a masterclass in how to have fun making something. The writing might not always be the amazing but they do fun stuff like playing with genre and tone while still maintaining consistency and it genuinely seems like the actors have a blast being on the show especially when they get to play different versions of their normal characters like robots, clones, evil doppelgängers or straight up all new characters, the show just screams “I want to work on this” and not “I have to work on this.”

agreed

Seriously. Legends and Black Lightning were the only CW shows I enjoyed.

Eh

Yk they're not gonna listen cause of a thing called tokenism/forced inculsion

haha yeah that clip cracks me up every time I see it. I enjoy soaps for what they are. sometimes I just want to turn off my brain and enjoy some mind numbing TV lol. Thanks for tuning in!

I’ve never even heard of them but that clip was enough for my entire life

Political messaging can’t be over the top and should be generic. A strong Republican like me will still watch a show with that, even if it’s left leaning, if the material is handled correctly like you said.

I'm not into politics, I want to escape that exhaustion. Give me good stories

@@dustinrhodes4793 Politics is everywhere. You can’t escape it.

The political message also can't be the main/only reason for doing the show. Star Trek was always good at having social topics- they covered all of them, but checking off boxes was never what it was about...until the new Trek. But that's why so many can't stand the current Trek shows.

@@davidm4566 jj abrams sucks thats why.

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Exactly

i agree

Yeah. Shows like teen wolf did that and it worked out. They are trying to do it with the flash now. It definitely CAN work. But they have to be willing to experiment

The fillers often explain what happens off camera from the main Protagonist and Antagonist storyline its essential to the whole pictures comic books does the same thing

Agents of Shield did this in their last 3 seasons and it worked perfectly! They turned the format into mini arcs that are connected to 1 major arc in the end. Essentially just like a comic book. I’ve never seen another show do it like they did. They even took advantage of the mandatory tv breaks throughout the year. Arc 1 ends before holiday season. Arc 2 ends before March Madness. Arc 3 ends before summer break.

@@ddpostley1 Was gonna bring this up. Agents of Shield did 22 episode seasons tremendously, even on low budget

Exactly. The only time getting political ever works is if the character or characters the story are about are political or somewhat political by nature. The only superhero who can get away with calling himself a Social Justice Warrior without making every one around him moan in disgust is Black Lightning. His whole character is about fighting for his community, actively trying to bring about positive social change as peacefully as possible, and just doing right by other people. The CW Black Lightning show did a good job of exploring that aspect of his character while also showing him do his job as a superhero, but it still felt a bit preachy at times. I actually think that the Young Justice version of Black Lightning is a better overall representation of his character as a whole, especially in his regards to accountability and open and honest cooperation.

They lost their touch

@@adrianjames5970 I'd have to take your word for it. After I lost interest in Arrow, I didn't even bother to watch the other Arrowverse shows. Based on your description of Supergirl, I was right to do so. I heard good things about Jon Cryer's portrayal of Lex Luthor, and that's actually the only thing motivating me to actually give Supergirl a try.

I share your exact sentiment. I hate how people use SJW like it's a bad thing but the CW delivers the message in the corniest way possible like an anti drug commercial from the 90s

@@analyticalmindset yeah I had to stop watching super girl after a point. There were so many good opportunities for that show: the biggest one being Supergirl embracing her alien identity. THATS a great way to tell a message about immigration and how immigrants can keep their culture. Not her living two separate lives. It’s just wild. Legends I think is still good about how they show things, but that’s also because the show is just fun and nothing is uber serious.

Yeah it's frustrating. It would make their jobs as writers a lot easier

Gotham worked because it was insane in the most fun way possible

They’ll make less money on adds sighhh

A network season runs like 24 episodes or something like that.

It's what I like about Superman and Lois so far. They only ran for 15 episodes during the first season and there was absolutely no filler involved, it all had to do with the main or sub plots which all worked well together. Lois can still participate in the main plot despite dealing with her reporter stuff, same with Jordan and Jonathan.

Honestly i think it's Greg Berlanti I think he is ultimately the problem. All the shows they have put out that aren't produced by him (ie non Arrow verse) with very few exceptions (Riverdale) have been consistently excellent.

@@tribehead09 they'll save money on writing and production as well, half as many episodes to make.

Lol Yeah I feel that. Haven't watched the newest season yet

Y'all are dumbs and stupid!! Lightning Lightsabers have been in the comics before. That's why The Flash implemented it to the show like BRUH RESEARCH ABOUT IT FIRST BEFORE SAYING CW COPIED STAR WARS!!!!!!! THIS CHANNEL SUCKS

@@CrimsonRoblox yes it was in the comics but just like Flash having golden boots in the comics, it doesn't translate well in real life. You seem unhinged...

@@tekrar8825 nah the real issue is that it just come out of nowhere with no build-up or training arc to acquire it. At least in the comics, they sort of foreshadow it

@@CrimsonRoblox Just because it appeared in the comics doesn't automatically mean it isn't stupid in live action. Hell, I haven't read the comic in question, but it already sounds stupid. Maybe it was cool in the source material, but that doesn't really mean jack to the audience of the new medium.

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But that stuff really came into focus after season 1. They really changed up the tone of that show and I don’t know why.

And that's the reason why I hated and still hate Smallville with passion.

Smallville also took its time to build on the drama and didn't just throw you into it. Clana, Clex, Clois... writers spent seasons to build on the drama to make its impact effective. In a lot of ways, the drama wasn't forced. Whether we liked the direction of the story or not, the drama fit smoothly into the plot. All other shows try to force the drama instantly instead of working on the build up to it.

@@gandrewlee3I agree. The producers of the show knew how to draw elements of the comics and previous Superman adaptations into the show so well.

Smallville had a lot of heart put into it and that’s what got me into Superman

What the problem with toppling statues?

@@jtlinux7174 watch the show. But vandalizing something that doesn't belong to you is never the right thing. If a statue needs to come down, petition the government and do it the right way

But blm itself is horrible

@@thecouncil2056 yes, but standing up against racism isn't. And that was what Jefferson Pierce was trying to get his daughter to understand. BLM tactics are harmful to the overall goal of racial harmony

@@williamavitt8264 Props man. You had two low effort trolls pop up, literally one from each side of the argument, and you handled both with aplomb.

Correct 💯

So true!!! It's fun and lighthearted as it should be

Yeah. Arrow was my favorite show on TV at one point. I liked the flash too. I'm glad they ended arrow on decent not at least

Oliver and Felicity worked well enough when both were separate, but they were a mediocre at best couple. It was clearly evident in Crisis on Earth-X. Both had great scenes when they were separate or at least not talking about their romance, but their fights about not believing in marriage and the infamous double wedding (which ruins their credibility as a couple altogether) really were unbearable. Felicity interacting with most characters is not too bad, but Olicity really damaged her as a character. Most of my issues with her tend to come from that questionably executed romance.

The DCAU shows were the best super hero shows of all time

>Reverse Flash, Zoom, Savitar, those were legit the most hype times in the show. True, but after 3 seasons of the same type of villain, it gets stales. They should've done something like "RF, Zoom, Thinker, Mirror Master(The real one), Savitar, etc."

@@Iliadic I'd argue that switching to non-speedster villains was a good call, although some like Orlin Dwyer were nonsensical.

Yeah for sure. If they shorten the seasons it would solve a lot of their problems. They add random characters because they have to find something to fill the extra space

@@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV One of the hardest to fit is Allegra, who should have stayed primarily in the Citizen instead of fully joining Team Flash. While the team oriented approach always had a questionable handling and it's too late to change now, that character should simply not have as much focus. She is tolerable and somewhat enjoyable, but she is too situational and none of her major plots have worked well or have been really engaging. She tries to be a Jesse Quick parallel for Nash just because she happens to be a doppelganger of Nash's adoptive daughter, but then he dies, and then she tries to save and redeem her cousin just to see her die. Her romance with Chester couldn't be any more uninteresting as well.

Legends is one show that actually got better over time. That show is basically wacky Doctor Who.

Yeahh it was pretty bad lol

I disagree with the one plot. I cannot sit through Marvel shows. They are 6 hour long movies rather than episodes with story arcs each episode that lead to the one large arc that covers the entire season. Marvel needs to stick with movies because that's all they know how to write.

I don't think they should go that route completely. They don't have the budget for that. But I do think they should be shortened to around 12-15 episodes per season

@@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV oh, so what do you think of my idea of a DC tv universe?

Oh true. Im indian and this is the one reason why people never take any single indian show seriously. Not only that all of the movies have some Core problem.

Agreed. Riverdale had so much potential. Started off simple then tried to get a little too complicated for its own good. Thanks for tuning in!

I too struggled with the latter half, but mostly because I didn't understand why Kara and Martian Manhunter weren't called to help. I assumed that this took place in the not too distant future, so it was possible that Kara moved to the far future like in the comics. However, in Supergirl's finale not only is she alive, but her identity isn't a secret, so more people should have asked for Kara's help--not to mention both Martians were on the planet.

I agree. They should've had him end up killing his girlfriend while "under the influence" and possibly hospitalize his brother. Also, curing him shouldn't have worked at all so Clark would be forced to lock him up, thereby ironically building a bridge between "Edge" and Clark as one being contains their respective father/son. That certainly would've made for a compelling dynamic. The mere fact that two consciousnesses are forced to coexist in one body might've softened up the Kryptonian part over time but could just as well lead to hardening Jordan's soul in the process.

@@piper998877 This doesn't make any sense - why doesn't Supergirl ask for Superman's help all the time then? Why doesn't the Flash? etc etc

@@shaunamc8667 Because she has Martian Manhunter, Dreamer, Brainiac 5, Guardian 1 & 2, Sentinel, Mister Mxyzptlk, and at times Mon-El. In season 1 when she was facing against Kryptonians, she called Superman, but he had been on Earth so long, that he fell under the hypnotic spell. Similarly, when they were fighting the Daxomites, she called Superman and he helped. I'm unsure why it wouldn't make sense that if he is fighting 50 evil Kryptonians (and losing), he or Lois wouldn't call the three other people on the planet that are just as strong as them. Instead, they called John Henry.

@@piper998877 Jeez it really sounds like Supergirl isn't even needed on her own tv show! That's definitely another problem with these superhero shows - they keep making the supporting characters superheroes so the main hero has to be shown as weak for them to be able to do something. And what you mentioned was when Superman was just a guest star - not a hero with his own show so I'll ask again, why didn't Supergirl ask for his help this last season when she was up against his actual arch-nemesis, or why didn't the Flash ask for the supers help for lots of stuff? And they showed that Superman was able to fight off the Kryptonians perfectly fine by himself and with Steel by his side - why would he NEED to call anyone?

Appreciate that! And yeah that I usually when it happens

Appreciate the info! Yeah I did a little research. CW is basically and joint venture CBS and Warner Bros media. Hbo Max is also Warner bros media. With SM&L and girl Warner just decided to provide more funding for them. Which is why they can also put them on HBO MAX.

@@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV Yeah true, I guess the WB wanted to provide more funding for these CW shows especially Superman & Lois seeing he's the golden boy of DC. That's probably one of the reasons CW is even allowed rights to his character because WB was a little more in involved. Interestingly it's written by the same guy who was a showrunner on the The Flash Season 5.

@@jourdonpatron212 yeah. I was pretty surprised when he popped up in supergirl the first time. Didn't think they would let Batman or Superman near the CW lol

Yeah made it clunky but that's just a think of the genre lol. Was mad for my boy Raf 😂

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