@@darrak1 Most european staates have implemented a "Social Market Economy", which is also called the "Rhine Capitalism" and was originally founded in Germany.
@@matze5998 but now liberal capitalism is pushing back, whit Brexit and in Netherlands. Germany in recession, they will too get on the liberal wagon, or bankrupt themselfs by providing free stuff to immigrants.
as a Norwegian i can tell you that the middleclass don't pay 50/60% tax. its more like 20/40% tax. so he was lying big time, just saying. and its kind of messed up that they did not correct the statement
@@Nicklasm98I get about 26% of my income taxed. Then there is fuel and sales tax. Probably ends up closer to about 32% In taxes. Then I also need to pay for insurances.
I remembered a joke: "Let's be socialist" No, every country that tried it failed "But look at Norway, they are doing it fine" No, they just have strong social welfare "So let's have social welfare like Norway" No, that is socialism
FD,s and PD's are socialist. So are public libraries. So is having a military (even though the U.S. has more firearms than humans which raises the question, why does the U.S. need a military?). City parks, County Parks. Public lands. Public defenders. Internet / internet access (however, most of you out there do not know how to set up protocols to gain net access. That is why you need to pay an ISP to do that for you.)
To the passing neophyte reading this comment, this comment is for you. Familiarize yourself with the following terms: *Capitalism* : A system in which the means of production are owned by a few private individuals. This manifests itself with the traditional business/corporate hierarchy; the business is owned by a group of a few very wealthy shareholders. People who call themselves capitalists might follow a very libertarian streak of beliefs, meaning that they believe there should be fewer government regulations on corporations that follow this traditional structure of ownership at the top. *Socialism* : A system in which the means of production are owned by the public. Socialists often advocate for worker cooperatives replacing the traditional business hierarchy. Essentially, this means the business is owned by its workers rather than by its shareholders; workers can make decisions collectively/democratically as opposed to the traditional corporate structure in which CEO's and others at the top make the decisions rather than the workers. One thing to note is that markets are not exclusive to capitalism; you can have markets in a socialist economy (see "market socialism"). People who claim to be socialists often have very different beliefs regarding how they want socialism to be achieved. That is, some people want no government at all. Others want a government in place and for worker cooperatives to function in a market economy. *Democratic Socialism* : Socialist economy alongside a democratic government. *Communism* : Essentially similar to socialism, although there are no social classes and there is no state. *Social Democracy* : Capitalism with a strong emphasis on regulations and a strong social safety net to promote the well-being of its citizens. Social democrats still believe in capitalism, where the means of production are owned by a few private individuals at the top, but want to enact regulations and intervention to promote social well-being. Social democrats are not the same thing as Democrats (US party). Social democrats are people with a social democratic ideology. Democrats are people who associate with the Democratic party, of whom many are neoliberals. Bernie Sanders, at least according to the policies he pushes for, can more accurately be deemed a social democrat rather than a socialist or democratic socialist. However, we cannot know if in his own mind he holds actual socialist ideals but holds back on espousing them publicly.
The argument is always, "We cant afford this" when it comes to something that will be good for average Americans but whenever big corporations, banks, or Wall Street need a bailout we can pull it out of our ass.
Jorge Gutierrez isn’t that the governments fault? I mean, if somebody developed cold fusion and became a billionaire he did it fair and square. The government can already print out the money you want. Quantitative easing is printing trillions that make bill gates look like someone from Detroit. You should fix congress, not the economy
Exactly, our government is filled with corruption. We need companies to learn to not spend their money on buy backs but to set aside money incase of an emergency. It's expected of citizens so why not corporations?
Two wrongs don't make a right. People that are really free market are people who are the most against bailouts. Don't get it twisted and pretend cronyism is a justification for more cronyism just because you want a handout. People should be paid for being a productive and not paid for not being productive, it's not rocket science.
@@angrybanana5476 yes you are absolutely right. But americans always say that the nordic countries and other european countries are "socialist" both the right and the left in the US, which just isn't true
no we are not. we are Democratic countries with socialist policies. please get your facts correct before you make statements about us Europeans - Patrick from Ireland.
@@patrickthomas8101 dude....I am european and yes all northern european countries are capitalist. Yes they do have a social safety net and some social policies unlike the US. but they also have a free market with a strong private sector. You do realise that both Ireland and Iceland have had, and may even still have more economic freedom than the US? - Atli from Iceland
Every sane person thinks Bernie is a more on. When during the Trump administration the bottom 1/5th of wage earners had their incomes rise the fastest of all groups. That was the first time that had happened since the George W Bush administration. Because both Trump and W. used Kennedy's theory of using lower taxes, less immigration, deregulation, and smaller government to tighten up the labor market. Which raises wages, allows mobility, allows for advancement, and gives people dignity. Compare that to the Democrat policies of using high taxes, over regulation, open immigration, and big government to put permanent slack into the labor market. Which drives down wages and drives up housing prices at the same time, to the point tens of millions of people don't have any money left over at the end of the month. And it's the low wages at the bottom that allows the excesses at the top, causing the wealth gap. Raising the bottom 1/5th of wage earners wealth relative to everyone else is something liberals will never be able to do because of their policies. If Bernie actually cared about working class people, Bernie would be a Kennedy Reagan conservative.
@@ReformedSooner24 do some research! The prosperity we have now came from free market + social safety net. If this is the best system, explain to me how come we're in economic expansion, yet salaries (adjusted to inflation) have been flat since the 80s? While the top 1% has gained $21 trillion over 30 years while the bottom 90% have lost $1 trillion over the same period of time
There are those who are unable to work do to some kind of disability and those who chose not to work because they get more money from the Government than they would get from a regular job - welfare, food stamps and e-card. I would help those who have a disability but let those starve who chose not to work - you don't work, you don't eat. I chose who gets my hard earned money, not those crooks in DC.
47 likes... It shows how people can't understand a Golden take. WTF. IF THERE are people who can choose to not work and still make a living there is something wrong in the system.
@55Quirll I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but people HAVE to work to get welfare nowadays, ever since that “ tax-and-spend Democrat”, Bill Clinton, ended “welfare as we knew it.” Even women with small children have to have a paying job. The only way a person can get welfare without working, is if he/she has SSI or SSDI pending. And, people on any form of welfare do not receive anywhere near the amount of money that many people assume they do. As for letting people starve if they won’t work, I’m glad to say there are many churches that provide free food to those in need. Or would you make that illegal?
Denmark and Sweden are not Socialist contries. And free College degrees in our contries does not mean for all. You have to qualify with high school grades.
Actually you are democratic socialist. As is my home country the UK where we have the NHS. No sane person wants the mess that is the American medical system. In my view neo-liberal capitalism is reaching an end point where in the US and even European countries the idea that greed is good, that company's only obligations are to stock holders - the same model that existed in the 1800s - has resulted with the very few having all of the wealth. In the US 3 men have more wealth than the bottom 50% of the country. That is a sign of a failed system.
Brian - any sane American would take that in a heartbeat here in the US. No one's saying you should get a college degree for failing. Of course you should have to show progression through the education system itself before you get to college.
There’s a spectrum for all mixed economies, degree of government involvement and redistribution. Compared to America, the Sweden and Denmark are much more socialist.
when you come from east-germany it's really funny to see what is called socialism in the United States. Things you call Socialism are just regular things in almost every european country.
@Life In The Faith Lane If your spelling is any indication of your education, Ill go ahead and just make fun of you instead of taking your opinion to heart. You're dumb. Ha, got her!
@Life In The Faith Lane Ah yes, blame the brown people for all of society's problems while the rich and big corporations get tax cuts and still do not pay their workers enough to live. Those damn immigrants.
@Life In The Faith Lane Youre conflating two very very different things. If the local population doesnt pay their fair share in taxes then the systems as we have them in (most) of Europe would crumble, regardless of where the people come from. Mass migration does put a heavy strain on our systems but they do work very well as long as everyone pitches in. And despite the influx of many people who do not pay into our systems our countries still manage to maintain an incredibly high health standard where almost everyone is covered in some way, and you wont be put into the situation of not being able to pay your hospital bills. That said, your strong emphasis on foreigners in a debate that literally has nothing to do with them shows just how racist you are.
During the 2008 presidential campaign in the USA, when the Right denounced Obama as a Socialist (which he was/is not), one letter writer to the Baltimore Sun said "If socialism means that the rich have to pay more for the common good than they have thus far, then call me comrade."
The writer never paid taxes in his life. Go for the 30% consumption tax so all you lefty bums can pay your fair share too instead of spending others cash. Commie trash. 😆🤣
When during the Trump administration the bottom 1/5th of wage earners had their incomes rise the fastest of all groups. That was the first time that had happened since the George W Bush administration. Because both Trump and W. used Kennedy's theory of using lower taxes, less immigration, deregulation, and smaller government to tighten up the labor market. Which raises wages, allows mobility, allows for advancement, and gives people dignity. Compare that to the Democrat policies of using high taxes, over regulation, open immigration, and big government to put permanent slack into the labor market. Which drives down wages and drives up housing prices at the same time, to the point tens of millions of people don't have any money left over at the end of the month. And it's the low wages at the bottom that allows the excesses at the top, causing the wealth gap. Raising the bottom 1/5th of wage earners wealth relative to everyone else is something liberals will never be able to do because of their policies. The problems you are blaming on capitalism are actually caused by big government Liberalism.
At the end the rich never pay more the middle class do, and the poor that improve a little bit his lifestyle has to pay too and then get back to being poor.
They will call literally anything socialist. Obama, a Moderate Republican in terms of his actual policy (much to the chagrin of everyone who voted for him hoping he was going to be the next FDR in a time where we truly needed one) was called a Marxist Socialist Communist Revolutionary despite pretty much being a third and fourth George W. Bush term, with only a few key differences between them. Bush Jr. and Obama were CLOSER in ideology to each other than someone like FDR or LBJ was to Obama LMAO.
I think what Bernie and many Americans actually want is social democracy. The Scandinavian countries have 'social democracy' not 'democratic socialism'. There is a HUUUGE difference between these two.
You are right. But government cannot be judge and jury. How the one who manage the state can itself be free to determine the size of it. That's just wrong.
In nothing the ideology communist went democratic.The democrosy the true, to be in country communist not exist .Talk about eletion democratic but in nothing that happen.
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In the late 1970s, growth in Western economies began to slow down and returns on capital began to decline. Governments came under pressure to do something about it - to create a ‘fix’ for capital. So they attacked unions and gutted labour laws in order to drive the cost of wages down, and they privatised public assets that had previously been off limits to capital - mines, railways, energy, water, healthcare, telecommunications and so on - creating lucrative opportunities for private investors. Jason Hickel,
Socialism is incredibly vague in general there’s multiple ways of viewing it while still technically still fitting the spot for its definition. All that really matters in the system in which it’s implemented and who is implementing it. And how it is implemented. You can implement it successfully but governments can also ruin it. In the same way our current economic system is already corrupted. Capitalism is better than feudalism but it has a lot of crippling flaws in the same way communism does. Socialism is a huge wide middle ground. Not a set standard. And it’s important to note that non of these are inherently totalitarian nor free. How we decide regulate them is what matters. Capitalism without regulation only leads to business owners owning everything and companies controlling the country. If the government is given too much power over the people and the wrong people are in power at the time with the unique system at the time (one could argue human nature decides that) then you’ll have a complete empire. With a ladder of power dictating peoples lives.
@@rageraptor7127 meh socialism all sucks honestly we need a revolution to return to a sort of medieval legal structure where violating private property is considered treason
Why why why USA Americans say "democratic socialism" when in reality they mean "social democracy"?? Also why do they think that Scandinavian countries have anything to do with socialism when Scandinavian countries of course have capitalist economies?
Почему что они подменяются понятия и неправильно использую термины. Такие проблемы присутствуют во многие партиях многих стран. История социал-демократии очень обширна, меньшевики написали очень много трудов по этому поводу.
Many people try to compare the US to Scandinavian countries, while failing to see some of the big differences. Culture is a big one. Lifestyle is another. How's the homeless problem in those countries? How many people are unemployed due to lack of wanting work? How many are happy to sit and collect unemployment, disability, or other forms of welfare that they don't actually need? How many are happy flipping burgers for a living as adults? How many are taught not to live beyond their means? By and large, when people from Scandinavian countries move to the US, they are very successful. There's good reason for this.
Socialism in the US rebranded itself in this way after fall of USSR. The idea was to get socialism in through the back door of democracy. This succeeded, as even I might have called myself a democratic socialist, thinking this means “as much socialism as you want,” until I realized it was somewhat a “communist plot.” I actually believe in as much, but only as much, socialism as we vote for. I am profoundly distrustful of communism and radical processes which have created more suffering and death than the world has ever known.
@@CampbellMcKinnon-e7h communism isn’t state ownership. Communism is a stateless classless moneyless society. It’s utopian and has never been achieved.
@@CampbellMcKinnon-e7h no, communism it isn't the state having things. Communism is a society without state, money and class. Socialism is a system that desire communism. In socialism the state would be controlled by the working class and corporations, industries and big farms would be transformed into cooperatives of workers.
@@OpiumBride You're conflating Socialism with totalitarianism and perhaps political correctness, and stripping away any nuance. There's nothing about socialism that makes free thinking and dissent "crushed." How people think, is in combination of factors like eduction, values, self-education, genetics, their social environment and other factors that have little to do with who owns the means of production. It doesn't matter who owns Nike, the wage slave factory worker in China assembling shoes got his education independently at a school that taught him critical thinking or it didn't. And, Monotonously toiling away for 60hrs a week may rot your brain regardless of who owns the company. Better questions: Why don't developed countries, like USA, make it a requirement to learn critical thinking skills if it's not a "socialist" country? Why do most people not know that all developed countries today are mixed economies (has both socialism and capitalism characteristics)? Why are there people who think criticism of economies is something to be afraid of? Economies are always changing, and we must always adapt. Criticism helps us to adapt. You're not oppressed just because you exchanged words with someone who disagreed with you, you are someone who was challenged. Learn from it. If you want to see an example of good types of socialism look up worker cooperatives like the Modrogon corporation.
@@brianwhite4098 that's the Scandinavian economic model that Bernie Sanders wants. But he misunderstood this by calling it democratic socialism while its actual name should be social democracy.
I am wondering. I am german and we have universal healthcare. WE managed to figure out how to pay for all of that WITHOUT having 70% of Tax or Companies going bankrupt left and right....these are all just flimsy excuses because they KNOW that it would work.
Yes. It is easier to spew tropes and traffic in "innuendo" than intelligently discuss the facts. As the old saying goes: _"if you can't pound facts = pound the table."_ That is what you see vis a vis the conservative Right in America. Their "supply side economics" is a failure and they must endlessly spew fear and conspiracy theory allusions so as to distract as they have nothing else since the evidence does not back their claims.
@@aryanshah4703 in Germany, do people go to the ER or take an ambulance ride for the sniffles? they do here and the costs of that and other moronic behaviors adds up fast, we also have tons of illegal immigrants here who don't even pay taxes
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@Adil Alfa Cool I didn't know that capitalism didn't have poor that remained poor. All this time I thought socialism involved a redistribution of wealth and power. I.E. the opposite of what you said. I'll give you this though, in capitalism the wealthy remain wealthy.
Having fled from a socialist country I can tell you in socialism the poor don't get wealthy, everyone just becomes poor and miserable while those in power become rich. There is no such thing as a free meal, the socialist utopia is a pipe dream.
@@Ingcivilcarlos If the vast majority in your country became poor while wealth was concentrated in the hands of a few, then almost by definition this was not socialism. What country did you leave?
Mr Shishu its socialism there is no sugarcoating. By nature if you give power to the gov’t it will only look out for the interests of their own,not for the good of the people. Socialism has killed millions of people in its history, ie soviet russia,cuba,venezuala,zimbabwe,north korea,Uzbekistan, etc etc etc. Btw, the so-called socialist nations like Denmark and sweden are not socialism,they are a free market economy with low taxes. Im a millennial and support capitalism as it has been one of the few methods that has lifted people of out poverty. You work and work smart,make wise choices and will be rewarded for such choices
Somehow the question of how to pay for it always gets raised in the context of universal healthcare or social services, never in the context of endless war.
@The Irish Italian How do other developed nations do it? Why can Canada and the UK and France do it but we, the greatest country in the world, cannot? I'm sure they are facing many if not all the problems you have listed and yet they managed to get it done. Rather than look for reasons not to implement such a system, maybe we should look for ways to actually implement it.
thank you barbara, it seems americans are waking up to the system of slavery,which must be stopped. They are dividing along ethnic,religious demographic lines. USA wakeup.
If you think military is not underfunded just as well think again. Besides do you really think that bill for military is bigger than throwing money on all poor?
mjzyt ah yes, because it’s ideal to take everyone’s rights away, and give all the power to the government, that once had slavery and Jim Crow laws legal, anyone who wants total government control, for the “idea of safety and equality” and will have their rights willingly taken away are literally stupid. We have socialist ideas already in place, and they are demolished by the private sector everytime. People want government in control, have you seen the VA? What about the DMV? Look at what California and their socialist implications made, now they can’t even take care of their own people because of how much the spend on the implications, and they have one of largest economies in the world!
@2 nibbles or 1 Byte Mass murders == USA Deficits == Millions of americans losing their homes during 2008 crash Venezuela = Besides the oil industry (as in Norway) , what else is owned by government? China = Currently many billionaires, leading in EVs, high speed train industries, biggest lender to USA ..get informed 2 x 1.
@@noleftturnz I disagree. It is because the theory of socialism sounds wonderful and touchy feely, but discounts major aspects that rip up those theories. Notice how many leaders ignore or change the subject when asked about middle class tax hikes? They also never talk about how much government intrusion into your life is going to be, but in order to force companies to comply with their policies they have to either coerce, threaten, or knock the front door down and physically force you. They also throw short tidbits (Gun Conrol, Censorship, Welfare programs, etc) but don't tell people everything... To really understand their intent, the people must connect the dots of all talking points to actually see the true picture. Indoctrination schools throughout the education system, no evidence to open trials, and the list goes on Scandanavia had to change their system to an open market with social programs (pretty much what the U.S. is now) just to partially recover. Socialism has great theories, but always fail in application. The more socialist regulations created, the more intrusive the government needs to become.
A military reserve member and co-worker [I think he was Air Force] once told me, "I might not agree with what you said, but I will protect your right to say it." I'm glad I live in such a society.
@@flavius2884 Socialism isn't when the government does stuff. Socialism is when the workers democratically own the means of production. What they're talking about here is social democratic policy
@@tadstrange1465 love how people manipulate definitions to try and fit their narrative, there is a state in socialism not in communism because socialism is supposed to be a transitionary stage into a stateless society and dictionaries back that
I don't know if you know, but the revolutions of the 20th century are something that destroyed the image of Marxism, because greedy dictators seized power instead of the people. Almost every modern socialist or communist should detest the Marxist revolutions of old. Plus those nations were barely industrialized meaning that such a system could never prosper, especially after a violent civil war.
@@captain-chair Im from Hungary,and in 1956,we had a revulotion against the controll of the USSR and Stalinism of Mátyás Rákosi,not against socialism.We actually won the revulotion itself,but then the USSR army came and destoryed the war of freedom.Freedom from the Warsaw pack,not free from socialism.Imre Nagy was a big socialist.Im just saying this because people in the US think we fought for capitalism.
Beni6746 Makes sense, Socialism itself has nothing wrong with it, its the people who betrayed the principles of socialism a.k.a the Totalitarian Soviets.
Socialism for the rich is not good, do you even know what you’re talking about, and it’s also not horrible for the “regular” people. The definitions in this video are horrible. Also look at Denmark THE HAPPIEST COUNTRY IN THE WORD and it’s socialist, it’s the opposite of horrible.
When college kids come out of college with an enormous school debt and can’t find a job so their stuck in theirs parents basement for years what do you expect?
When freshly brainwashed college kids come out of a marxist reeducation center with a worthless social studies degree and can’t find a job so their stuck in their parent's basement for years what do you expect? FIFY
Thats true but dependant on your major. if you get a degree in drama or theater and such your chances of finding a job are very small. As times change demand for certain jobs change. Now being knowledgeable in computer software and hardware and buisness are huge assets. Many jobs are open to you. In many cases you don't need college you can learn a trade, start a buisness, i made a living for a while selling online by going to garage sales, estate sales, storage units and trading items less in demand for items more in demand. i agree college is expensive and overpriced but sadly when people think you can't make money without a college degree and people go to school for degrees that aren't the most valuable to the modern market gives colleges full campuses sp they make money.
@thomas jefferson I think you could say that about the non-educated population of any nation. The difference is that they respect your natural rights, your right to your own life, your right to own property, your right to pursue your happiness and your freedom of thought. In fact if you push them hard enough they will avidly fight for said rights. On the other hand the final products of colleges, the neo-marxist youth with worthless social studies degrees will absolutely pursue any and every opportunity to do away with natural rights. From this viewpoint the uneducated underclass is much less prone to brainwashing than the average college student, their ignorance is exactly what kept america running for the past 30-40 years.
I'm happy to see that Americans are finally starting to wake up from the American Dream they have been fed for decades and are finally starting to understand that Socialism is for their own good.
The irony of course is that those who pushed "supply side" on the masses over the years = are the very ones responsible for its eventual demise. Human nature is always a potential problem as it lends to "greed" which foments abuses within the system while those abuses invariably in time stimulate calls for course correction. Thus as you alluded to the excesses of unfettered "supply side economics" whose natural course of evolution results in monopolies and exploitation of workforces now serves as impetus for abandonment of the same. 🤨 p.s. - there are no true "isms" out there by the way. What is more likely is that just as you see in say Europe what eventually happens is a "blended system" which incorporates facets of socialist policies with some of the benefits of capitalism = hence "democratic socialism" as the video alludes. Basic needs to be better addressed by the government while the marketplace is allowed to operate - within limits created via regulations to limit the aforementioned excesses and the creation of monopolies. The answer as always is usually = somewhere in the middle.
Wow, starvation is for one's own good? LOL, yep, the US is an ignorant country with quarter of the population being illiterate and over half being functionally illiterate.
Democratic socialism only exists in the U.S. In Europe it is called socialism. Also communism isnt the same thing as socialism in Europe. We make the difference between the Bolcheviks and the Menchviks. So when you talk about socialism in Europe try to use european terms and not american ones you will end confusing everything.
@@namesurname8725 you’re not wrong tbh. The size of government is big, and they let big pharma companies monopolise the market. The US has a mixed economy. Our market is heavily regulated by the government. Capitalism is when there’s little to no government intervention
@@jhon44mat nah bruh capitalism is when the means of production are owned by privatized companies or in some cases the government (Like China) sure there are socialist aspects that make American not completely LF and capitalism without regulation, but to say that a nation is not capitalist because it has regulation is to say you don’t truly know what capitalism is.
@Guto Füchs That only speaks to your ignorance. When you watch videos like this, they are supposed to trigger you to research more, not just listen and say "ok let's do this". Only the sheeps do that, whether it is people who blindly follow Bernie or blindly follow Trump.
Communism is a state of society where there is no Money, no Classes and no Countries. Thus no Country can ever be communist, it is something only the world entirely can achieve. Being a Communists means you believe that this is the next stage of society and hope to achieve this form of society. Socialism is a much more realistic goal: Socialism is defined by Karl Marx as a System where the means of production are in the hands of the Workers, represented by the state. So no private industry but rather only public industry wich is controlled by the workers in their respective fields. Democratic Socialism is basically just that but with a democratic government. Social Democracy is basically a capitalist system with a free market economy with some regulations and social benefits such as a minimum wage, some public industry in essential areas like public transport, housing and energy, as well as public health care and unemployment wages. Social Democracys are what most European countries have.
AnnInTheMitt If I would be the president of America, I would make it illegal for the US citizens to use the word “socialism” - I’d have them use a definition of that word instead.
They want socialism but will get an oligopoly in when Facebook Amazon Google some banks and oil producers will groom actors to be politicians to go to bat in their interests and when they mess up its not on the news because thats just their subsidiary 🤔 get it lol
Max Rostaing It’s due to a widespread lack of knowledge about socialism. In America socialism is considered to be the same thing as communism and thus many treat is as a boogie man. This is not helped by the lingering effects of the red scare. So a lot of it is lack of understanding caused by current and past propaganda.
19 countries of the G-20 all have free universal healthcare, and all 19 of them have lower average income per person than US, the USA with the highest average income don't have universal healthcare and are the only country to complain that it will be "too expensive".
Agreed. He was basically sabotaging himself by mislabelling and unnecessarily dragging up the "socialism" spectre and fear of communism that is associated with it in the US.
Maybe you should invest instead of listening to an insane ideology that will in turn take all of your money. And if you don't have any money that also makes total sense lol.
Capitalism built CNBC and it works better than socialism because it gives money to people who give the most to society. The rich 1/3 work hard and deserve it
The biggest problem with Americans when they try to deal with Scandinavian politics as a role model, they are being totally black and white thinking and getting everything wrong and getting lost in terms and FUD. If this Bernie camp really are promoting current Scandinavian politics, they are doing themselves a big disservice by calling their politics democratic socialistic. The current Scandinavian society is built upon big influence by parties that is labeled Social Democrats. Not democratic socialists. And investment firms is totally compatible with Scandinavian politics.
I don't want to have to be forced between an authoritarian communist society and an authoritarian monarchist society. But if you make me choose, I'm going to side with whichever team promises me the the heads of the legacy press.
@@adolfwasrite7009 "authoritarian communist society" communism has nothing to do with the state, it's a classless, moneyless, stateless society. You should read a book like The Principles of Communism by Fredrich Engels.
In a nutshell, socialism means that the government controls your rights, wealth, liberties, production, businesses, health care, property, etc. It's bad because in this setting, the government can take away or limit those rights, and take and redistribute your property and wealth. The wealth can go to many people, an organization, or maybe just one individual. It isn't a fair system. However, there are many forms of Socialism, but they're all very similar in this nature. Nationalist Socialism (Nazism) is a very notorious form and very well known.
@@sisi7019 That is your biased personal definition of socialism. The true definition of socialism is "a range of economic and social systems characterized by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management, as well as the political theories and movements associated with them. Social ownership can be public, collective or cooperative ownership, or citizen ownership of equity." Note the phrase "a range of economic and social systems". The kind of socialism the Democratic Socialists of America are pushing for is unlike any previous version of socialism. They acknowledge that the state, if given too much power can be just as tyrannous as any capitalist or corporation. That is why they support democratic socialism, which focuses on the decentralization of economic power through the use of democracy. Many people think that democratic socialism is just state socialism with political democracy. It isn't, true democratic socialists believe in expanding democracy to include economic democracy as well as political democracy. This can be done through the use of democratic planning as well as collectively owned consumer industries that trade within a market. Here's a quote from the DSA: "Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives. Democratic socialists favor as much decentralization as possible. While the large concentrations of capital in industries such as energy and steel may necessitate some form of state ownership, many consumer-goods industries might be best run as cooperatives. Democratic socialists have long rejected the belief that the whole economy should be centrally planned. While we believe that democratic planning can shape major social investments like mass transit, housing, and energy, market mechanisms are needed to determine the demand for many consumer goods." In the short term the DSA and other democratic socialists like Bernie Sanders are focusing on achieving social democracy. Which involves capitalism with some social institutions that guarantee certain basic necessities. It also focuses on reducing the power of corporations through strong unions and sensible regulations. Here's another quote from the DSA: "In the short term we can't eliminate private corporations, but we can bring them under greater democratic control. The government could use regulations and tax incentives to encourage companies to act in the public interest and outlaw destructive activities such as exporting jobs to low-wage countries and polluting our environment. Public pressure can also have a critical role to play in the struggle to hold corporations accountable. Most of all, socialists look to unions to make private business more accountable."
Democratic Socialism OR Socialist Democracy ; Veterans Admin., Social Security, Public Education, libraries,fire dept.,police dept., 5 Day Week(weekends to socialize with Family and Community), Unions, Day Cares, Food Banks, Food Stamps , Minimum Wage , Post Offices, Fair Taxes .... etc ... All called Socialism at the time they were written !
@JamesHLanier why do you want to get rid of voluntary trade between individuals and replace it with a gov mandated supply chain? ? I'm Honestly curious and open to changing my mind... Thanks
e dups most but not Sanders. Sanders isn’t a socialist. You can’t have a fully community owned means of production AND private owned. Capitalism allows for coops but socialism does not allow for private owned. That’s why there are no successful socialist countries
MajorLeague sanders clarified that he’s not for pure socialism or democratic socialism. He has backtracked to say “some capitalism “ is ok. Wolff in his recent debate also has backed off pure socialism. Most socialists if you really keep pushing they back down in debates. I was shocked when Wolff said some capitalism would be Ok. Really .... floored. It was a complete reversal for him.
@@BracaPhoto "why do you want to get rid of voluntary trade between individuals and replace it with a gov mandated supply chain?" That isn't what socialism means. Socialism means that *the workers* own the factory they work in, not the govt, and not some fat-cat who was born owning the factory. Communism is where the govt owns it. Capitalism is where some useless monopolist billionaire owns it. Socialism, actual socialism that is rarely tried, works better than either. For more on this, check out "Mondragon Experiment" but not here. Yootoob took down the full doc a few years back. All you can find here are interviews and short clips about the idea. Vimeo has the complete documentary though. Get popcorn, its about an hour long. Its the most valuable thing I learned in earning an econ degree. Here's a teaser: China had 8% growth for 30 years and economists called it a "miracle" b/c it outperformed the US even in the post-war boom. But over those same years, the Basque Country had a whopping *80%* growth. The logic is simple: when workers are the ones to profit from their labor, they work harder and smarter than when some fat-cat who treats them like garbage takes home all the profits.
Establishment: "But how are you going to pay for that?" DSA: By taxing the rich, taxing Wall St. transactions, reducing the Military Budget, etc...... Establishment: (Long Pause)....But how are you going to PAAAYYYYYYYY for that?!
@@richarddefortune1329.. So 2 wrongs make a right? Since we increased military spending by 5%, that now justifies spending $40 trillion - $90 trillion we don't have? Stalin and Mao also ran into this problem of how to pay for Socialism / Communism. You might want to research how they "solved" the problem.
@@athlon9394 the 1% of that 5% of the military expansion is all that would be needed for free education and free healthcare...and you say you can't pay for it? HOW CAAAAAAAN'T YOU PAAAAAYYYY FOR THAT??
@@UCiWrMgES50tlUhV3l6NqjNA No it wouldn't. First of all, it's not "free healthcare." There's a reason all rich people in Canada move to the United States from Canada. Hint: they pay for everyone else's healthcare. Second, free education AND healthcare will not cost only $25 billion.
@@athlon9394 That's the point! We have 750B for Military, 1.5T(!!!!) for tax cuts but suddenly don't have money for anything else. It's called having our priorities straight. You apparently are of the people who think "Socialism for the military and rich, Hunger Games Capitalism for everyone else".
I don't doubt it. So we're faced with Godless capitalism or Godless socialism/ communism, etc. I'll take Godless capitalism first, but the problem is our rejection of God. We honor Him with our lips, but our hearts are far from Him. That's why we have Hillary Clinton not only advocating for killing the unborn, but killing them up till birth (amongst other things) while publicly invoking God in speech, and Donald Trump declaring that he and God "were good" and that he doesn't need to ask for forgiveness, all the while fornicating, committing adultery, lying, etc., etc. The average American had no clue who God is, they have no relationship with Him. They believe in God and have vague notions about Him, either favorable or unfavorable, that are completely wrong. They believe in a God of their own making, thinking they're a good enough person and will go to heaven, effectively on their own merit, or because they don't understand that God is just and righteous, and they think that God will just overlook their rebellion and offense against Him. But they're wrong and lost, they have no relationship with God and do not obey, or trust Him. Or nation is already under God's judgement in that He's given us overt to our bankrupt desires to experience the dreadful consequences. So our days are numbered, we are and will reap what we're sow. Socialism, communism, etc. will end up making it more miserable. Just imagine how pleasant it will be for corrupt elitists to control your life under their law and punishment. After all, they'll know what's best and it'll all be "for the good of the people". There will be nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. Either way, our country will die from the moral rot and decay that we're infested with.
Chris you can’t claim someone’s religion as wrong... religion is about as open to interpretation topic as it comes. Just because someone doesn’t believe in the same way you do or practice in the same way... doesn’t make them wrong and certainly doesn't deserve criticism.
"democratic socialism" and "social democracy" are 2 totally different things. Anybody not knowing the difference should not debate anyone. All the examples of well run "socialism" like Denmark is accomplished by social democracy and NOT plain socialism.
Oh so you guys are not mentionning Sweden anymore? Go figure. Give it another 5 years and you'll be saying "This is not socialism like Denmark but like - the recent example where socialism has not rotten the country yet.
erwin I, no they are not. I question you actual practical familiarity with this subject. We got democratic socialists and social democrats in Norway. They were in a coalition government from 2005 to 2013. The difference was not huge. That is why they could be in government together. They had a lot of overlapping policies. Our finance minster was a democratic socialist in that period. Before 1985, the social democrats themselves labeled themselves democratic socialists. So this distinction between social democrats and democratic socialists is a fairly modern development. The policies promoted by Bernie Sanders and AOC are all solidly social democratic policies. But keep in mind a lot of those policies in at least Norway got passed at a time when social democrats also called themselves democratic socialists. The differences are a lot more fluid than I think you are willing to admit. Keep in mind the US has a very different political history from Nordic countries. To my knowledge there is no social democratic party in the US to speak of, so democratic socialism has more prominence. You can just look to France with a different political history. Their socialist party, is essentially a social democratic party. Don't get too hung up on labels. Look at the policies!
also, Denmark's leader openly and proudly admits his country is not a socialist country, and he wished Americans would stop using it as an example of a successful socialist country
@@IzaakCha7 > Denmark's leader openly and proudly admits his country is not a socialist country In some ways it doesn't really matter what Danes think, because Americans have made up their own version of what socialism means. I am a Norwegian and I have struggled for years to wrap my head around what Americans mean by socialism, because it certainly has nothing to do with actual socialism as advocated by actual socialists. My conclusions is that in America socialism simply means high taxes and extensive welfare services. Big government equals socialism in America. So by that token, Denmark is most definitely socialist.
It...kinda is. Universal healthcare would be funded the same way the police and fire departments, public schools, and public roads are funded. What makes it different?
robert presley the difference is that the police and firefighters are made to keep order and prevent violence and destruction. Healthcare and other socialism policies are the death of individualism and the bad problems of collectivism. 1984.
mjzyt im not sure you understand where we disagree. I gonna assume you believe equality to be the fundamental quality we should strive for, but for me i believe we should make freedom of choice the basis of our society. Next time you disagree with someone, ask them what one value they bais their society around.
i think they mean the UDSSR by that. That was that kind of economy, basically every Buisness was owned by the people but the govt. said what stuff it should do/produce. its a planned economy and i think in a history-context its fair to combine that with socialism as in the countrys of the east block.
Narcissism is also a driving factor behind Socialism. Just like far right movements like fascism, there's a superiority complex followed by actions geared towards satisfaction, either personal or ideological.
For example, with philanthropy and social services, narcissists will often advocate for policies and practices geared towards yielding more immediate and visible results. Their lack of empathy is demonstrated through their complete indifference to quality, thus they only measure impact on the basis of quantity. This satisfies their egotistical desires for a sense of moral superiority by creating an impression that they're "helping everyone". Unfortunately, such practices repeatedly result in services of substandard and often inhumane quality
@@kimbanton4398 They're both collections of ideals and values so completely divorced from reality that when they come into power, all hell breaks loose. Socialism is driven by something called Pathological Altruism. Claims of "Free Housing for Everyone! Free Healthcare for Everyone! Free Education for Everyone!", the idea may make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, but it's unworldly unrealistic to pull that off due to finite amounts of resources and capital. Far too often people embrace these ideals and push the bounds to rational thinking, and it never ends well. From East Germany to Venezuela.
@@kimbanton4398 It's narcissistic because people base these values entirely on their OWN feelings and don't take into consideration the different needs and wishes of each individual. Thus, their incentive isn't to benefit others. They do it as a comfort for themselves.
@@vader8867 Karl Marx never said that ,It was Vladimir Lenin who said it. Funny because his interpretation of socialism was a state capitalist monopoly of the economy (Like China).
But you will die waiting at the hospital - you have no clue but utopia! Nothing Is Free! The US can bring its Medical cost down, that alone will take major overhaul in medical administration - Trump will fo that but the socialist demortards on a powertrip won't help!
I'm scared of these free health care advocates. Obama care or the aca was a step towards that. My benefits went down and my premiums skyrocketed. Just be prepared they will take another 30 to 40 percent in taxes from you to pay for it. Before the aca I had to go to the hospital everything was covered even anastasia. Post aca I don't want to think about it.
@@jonathanherbst3891I'm trying to understand, why before the ACA was everything covered? But you know trump and the Republicans defunded the ACA, to fail it on purpose. But you know, police, fire departments, and the military are all social programs. Even the streets you drive in are because of social programs. Streets,dams, sewers, bridges, are from social programs. And yes you benefit from all these things you say are bad...
@@lsx7611 fascist Italy, imperial japan, nazi germany, Taiwan and South Korea doing last half of 20th century, almost every latin American country that the US help overthrow, Iran between 1955 to late 1970s.
Assets- liabilities =net worth. No one should be deemed “too big to fail”. If tax dollars are used to bailout your business, your business should be obligated to pay tax payers a dividend.
@@corryburton9834 if you steal money you go to jail. Can you send corporation in jail if is stealing money? If you polute a river you pay a fine or go to jail, again can you jail corporations? No? Then corporations are not people and can not have voting rights.
You have economic and social liberals. The former is right wing and the latter left. When people talk about "liberals" they think of the social ones because it's a hot topic right now.
JUMAYUMMA Well actually someone liberal is economical liberal AND social liberal and so NEITHER left nor right. They share the same goals economical with the right wing and the same goals on most social topics as left wing people. So if someone is liberal on social topics but NOT on economical topics they are not liberal but left wing. So why not call them by their real name?
@@GreenRatel Social Liberals are still pro-capitalism, they simply want redistribution of wealth and government programs. They are just the center-center right to the center left of Social Democrats (who want a mix of capitalism and socialism). (Democratic Socialism is a step to the left of Social Democracy, but still not the hard left and has been and to an extent still is a reasonably mainstream ideology in Europe).
@@Kraisedion Okay wrong wording. The left-right division is solely economic based, it just happens that liberal social policies for some reason usually accompany socialist policies. Anyway calling social liberal a liberal isn't that much of a stretch.
@@lordcrabby197 lol I mean I dont disagree with you about her but the fundamental principle I was focusing on is people like to demonize certain companies but yet dont appreciate what they get from the business in product value not just monetary value. Naw mean? Now I would agree with not just being comfortable with what's given but we really need to think about the differences between being comfortable and compromising. If you pick up what I'm putting down.
@@lordcrabby197 From the outwards looking in, why are people not challenging this system where states and localities have to give corporations socialism? A mom & pop shop couldn't get this, so why does a big corporation? These states are racing to the bottom by doing this. They are going set up those warehouses somewhere in the US anyway.
@@theuglykwan yeah but it's called a free market for a reason. But it's not perfect. The second it stops being a free market then we get into socialist territory. And mom and pop stores will suffer even more due socialist taxes one has to pay and no tax cuts helping to save these mom and pop stores. Look at LA. Its is prime example of this. The demorats care more for a vote of illegals than a homeless person on the street. So with this same rhetoric the Demorats spew out, businesses suffer cause demorats dont understand business at all. None of you ever took an economics class. Supply and demand. Deficit. GDP per capita. These are important terms to remember. The FED. Interest rates. THESE things affect businesses. And although the corps seem to be evil they are neccessary evil. They keep your lights on. The keep the rats at bay. They pay your salaries. Sending them away or kicking them in the balls will not be good for business. I told you everything needs to be in balance. Corps need to look after the little guys. Everything in balance. Another term is equilibrium. That's what runs a stable economy. Sure theres going to be giants called Amazon Walmart etc. But without those free markets we end up like Europe and those markets are disaster city. So much red tape for a average citizen to start a business. Not here. Not in america. You can restart as many times as need be. An immigrant can start a business coming from another country. That's beauty of it. But people need to be educated. These demorats keep people ignorant, emotional and plain stupidity runs the gambit. Socialism is just another form of control to keep middle class to welfare slaves. No. Learn these words. They will come up in a free market society. Because once it changes to a socialist society its game over for the free market and middle class will be taken over.
Precisely. Communism is a system which moneyless and stateless (I.e. no government). How can communism be government control if it is the antithesis of government control?
@@ChosenSquirrel That is not communism. It is a stateless and moneyless society. "Businesses" are operated as democratic cooperatives formed by the community, for the community. If voluntarily collaborating with your neighbors to build a school or a hospital (or whatever) because your community needs one is slavery, then I question your understanding of the word "slavery". The driving force behind production in communism is not human coercion; it's driven by the demand of human needs, which are about as coercive as your need to breath.
@@ChosenSquirrel Under neoliberal capitalism, all human worth, and free speech as well, is reduced to financial terms. As such actual humans, along with the earth itself, are pretty disposable. So I find it funny that you emphasize the movement towards socialism as wanting to reduce people to interchangeable cogs. I think capitalism does that very well for the vast majority of people. Some of us actually advocate for worker control of their own workplaces, workplace democracy; or at least representation within corporations. ...So that would be _expansion_ of democracy, would it not?
@@greevar I always thought communism was authoritarian government by definition. It seems this may not be true, but then was the Soviet Union really communist? It had a very authoritarian government.
@@quinn7072 call it "barney world" Cause all the fh. Get demonrats will think an do as there bildeberg overlords tell them an there pthtic asses to do.
@kal Ke the united nations want a global socialist communists Marxists global controlled , reD the adjena 21-30 Dcument , I thank God we not live in north Korea, or Russia . globalpossibilities.org/112091-2/
"If you don't design your own life's plan, chances are you'll fall into somebody else's plan. And guess what they have planned for you? Not much." Jim Rohn
And if you knew what socialism is you'd be supporting it solely on the merits of what you wrote. Ever heard of a worker co-op? That's what businesses should be turned into, you replace the central planning and give the workers a say.
@Velvet Dawn Everything is "governent work". corporations as they are today are legal entities, they ARE governent policy/governent work. The idea of capitalism devoid of governent policy and action is delusional.
@Velvet Dawn I agree there, capitalists fear any means the workers could gain meaningful bargaining power to counteract their overwhelming economic power. This onty means that we need more people power, because it's quite obvious that what they fear would be the most effective ways to fight back.
Why do they talk about cuba and Venezuela like we havent been sanctioning everyone who does business with them and have been doing this for a long time now..
German here: Because they point things out that work in the rest of the world and shows how unable americans are to seperate autharian socialism with a social democracy? be careful listening to fox news.
"Democratic Socialism is somewhere between capitalism and Socialism... Others want to abolish capitalism entirely." I didn't even have to read between the lines on that one.
@@JustAnotherNamelessGuy Sharing by force is not sharing, it's called stealing. And if you look at the comments of staff members of your favorite Democratic Socialist, Bernie, they actually want to bring back gulags and land seizure by force. Idiots are people that repeat the same mistakes and don't take basic economics courses.
Yeah, a lot of people confuse democratic socialism (search for democratic ways to reach a socialist state) with a social democracy (kinda broad, but basically social measures integrated into a free market state).
Us in the states call it socialism because our politicians are so far right that we call someone who thinks eating the homeless is a bit harsh of a measure to lower the homeless crisis a demon from hell who hates America and what it “stands for.”
John Doe, try reading the Agenda 21 bill the socialist democrats wrote passed send to congress, they passed it , then you tell me your theory of how marvelous these killers really are ! There is no confusion what so ever ‘! And absolutely yes (Killers)! When you want 90 to 95% all man kind gone by 2030, that includes you John Doe and these wonderful followers, yes , let me ask you ‘ are you ready to die before 2030 ?
Glad you guys are honest. This video tries to make it seem like it’s between socialism and capitalism lmao! It’s just socialism but without revolution..
@@Cyborg_Lenin yes. You even said it yourself I saw. the different between dem soc and soc dem is socialism itself. It’s a socialist state that is elected. Buzzwords obscure that
As a socialist, socialism doesn't take away freedom. It gives more freedom and control to the people, socialism is meant for people and for a better humanity. Socialism is about maximizing freedom to the people and imagien that a corporation is run like a democracy where every single worker has a saying in the power to call out and all are able to make changes imagine that. However democratic socialism is not the solution socialism is.
Socialism is not necessarily "power to the people", but it can be. It is possible for socialist governments to lean toward authoritarianism. Democratic socialism shares many beliefs with socialism but is instead "power to the people", by definition. I would describe democratic socialism as halfway between a social democracy and plain socialism. Capitalism (example: USA) Social Democracy (halfway between capitalism and democratic socialism, example: Scandinavia) Democratic Socialism (similar to socialism with some differences, also democratic by definition, power to the people) Socialism (some socialists advocate for democracy, but socialism is not democratic by definition, example: Cuba) Communism (historically authoritarian, difficult not to be authoritarian in practice)
It's been said a bunch of times alrerady, but i'll say it again: European countries are not socialist, but capitalits democracies. We just managed to counter balance some of the more unhinged aspects of pure capitalism by regulating them. My methaphpor would be a car, with capitalism as the motor, and "socialist" policies as safety features. A 1000 hp car with no safety is a high speed death trap, a safe car with no engine won't go forward. It's about finging the right balance and being open for discussion again and again and again. And that's where the USA has it's core problem, the discussion seems highly emotional und angsty when it comes to modernizing your once groundbreaking, now ancient democracy.
really good point here. Americans think that if you have some free health and education you're just one step away from communism. The capitalists have done their job well to have Americans believe that crap.
Interesting points, however looting and burning cities, waging war on the police and labeling all whites as racist oppressors is not exactly the way to open a constructive dialogue about the benefits of Socialism. There's also the point that we just experienced a mini trial run of Socialism in the country during the pandemic and it wasn't pretty. People decided to not work anymore as long as they got paid enough by the Government to make ends meet if they stayed home. Customer service and quality of service have taken total nose dives across the country. Lastly, to those of us who aren't completely blind, the objective here isn't to stop at Socialism. That's just a stepping stone to Communism and total tyrannical control by the Federal Government. A total collapse of Capitalism and the rise of Marxism is what the people behind this craziness are pushing for.
I go to Europe often and you have it wrong there.You restrict gun ownership more than most of the US.In the US we cannot give free health care because we have 330 Million citizens and 25 Million illegal immigrants.The government here should shrink in size,cut costs and the US should get out of world problems unless they threaten the US.
Such high-effort comments are rare on youtube and social media in general. Thank you for being a diamond in the rough. I try to write high-quality comments, but it just takes so much time. Often the response isn't even directly arguing the argument. So, uh, wanna be friends? lol
For crying out loud, healthcare is not "FREE" in Europe, as employees/people have their health insurance subtracted from their gross pay. Everyone is insured because they have to be. Solidarity principle. You never know when you all of a sudden become the most expensive "patient" a hospital has ever had, without having to pay extra.
@@rebeccaanderson5626 Not really, first we try all options in the USA before bringing in Hospice. Course, it is up to the individual, if they want to continue trying. That's another reason, these Insurance companies are compiling family information to see what hereditary disease's a person could pass down to the next generation. Insurance can get costly.
@@earlofmar7987 which is exactly why people's health care should not have a price . Look at the German system at least they have managed to create a free market economy and still provide universal health care with competition + Everyone is covered with insurance because it is required by law Also the waiting time in Germany depends upon the severity of your case and not the amount of money they could make off from you . You don't get bankrupted because of a broken knee cap in EU . American healthcare system is broke And the government needs to interfere in it to some extent to save citizens . Bruh the first time I realised ambulance cost in the US I thought it was a pank or some You have poor people begging to not call an ambulance in the US when they have an accident while in Germany is illegal to just walked by and not call an ambulance when someone is severely injured . Also insurance companies cannot reject you because of diseases in Germany unlike United States.
@@Dangic23 There are no socialist models in Russia, nor in the European Union. At best there are state-capitalist models with a strong welfare state. If that is what you meant, then say that. Don't say something as patently lost as "the difference between Russia and Europe" as if Russia isn't a part of Europe.
Thomas With 80% of russia in Asia this is a bold claim. Just as stupid as claiming Turkey is a European country. Or France is an south american Country because part of their territory is over there. Or Spain beeing an African country for the same reason....
@@admirninta8868 Instead of just calling me a sheep, you could be... i don't know, respectful or something? Ever heard of that word? No, for real, I don't know what your reply means. What does four legs have to do wuth socialism? Please let me know because I am confused.
@@kosinusify If you like socialism,you are a sheep,if not,you are not. Nothing complicated. Read the "Animal Farm". And,don't take comments personally,l.
And lets not forget until recently, while their nations still functioned correctly, this is all changing now; they were a homogenous culture and countries. Sweden was Swedish. They had a Nationalism to their existence. But ever since they opened their borders to multiculturalism all they have is crime & violence!
Corporatism is just a different management style of communism. Free trade capitalism hardly exists anymore. State/Corporatism gets an unfair advantage not just in the USA either.
@@thebluedan which corporatism is still socialism. Even I'm a voluntaryist, veteran, and lived in Finland for several years, I've realized pragmatically, that many people like myself who have a disability, need help. Which sadly the right completely demonizes those of us who have problems.
foreverbarefoot we should all help our neighbors, socialism from the bottom up is fine. It’s what we used to call family, church, community, the village. From the top down it doesn’t work.
There's actually a term for that, it's called 'lemon socialism'. Nonetheless, it's still the government making the final decision on that, and they claim to do it to preserve jobs, however with any public company - profits are prioritized above all else. The thing is, saying capitalism is the issue is being far too general. The true issue lies within public conglomerate corporations, aka the 'too big to fail' companies. True private enterprise has great results, and business is reliant on reputation rather than being 'irreplaceable' - hence the large disparity in quality between private and public corporations.
Socialism is still a very scary word in the United States, and for a good reason: it is a collectivist ideology which ignores incentives and treats society like a beehive, which works for bees, not for humans. Its also why socialism died. Now, there is no alternative to capitalism. Socialism used to be considered as an alternative to capitalism, until it died. Its a trend in 2024 that lots of things die or go away which people no longer need, socialism being one of them. I know this because I am writing a science - fiction story which features two extraterrestrials - one is a capitalist who is always ahead, the other is a kind hearted socialist, but high tempered, and fails to bring incentives to their family on Earth. Socialism and communism are tied to narcissism, and that is why these self - centred, obsolete beliefs based on myths and statistics do not work.
It has become "a trope" employed by the far-Right and their friendly conservative media in order to distract from what is really an underlying adherence to: _"Corporatism."_ Moral: all the _"cultural war"_ crapola in the US today is mostly a distraction. The rubepublican "party" - it is less a political party today than a hegemony of ideological and corporate interests - is animated by their corporate donor base who are the ones actually calling the shots in most cases. This is why regardless of whatever "social issues" a rubepublican politician rants about = endless tax cuts and deregulation are a given...... Endlessly screeching about _"Socialism!/Communism!"_ is far easier than having to explain why your "party" has no real platform of things to offer the American people. Like coincidentally enough the Nazis in the 1933 election leading to their acquiring power: the QOP is not "for" anything really today = but they are "against" a great many things..........
The reason so many people are embracing socialism is that the rent has become too high in America due to the huge gap between the wealthy and the working poor. Agree or disagree, this is why people are ticked off and why young people are looking to socialistic ideals. No one would even consider socialism if a little more of that wealth held by the top 10% were to 'trickle down' to the working people and if the greed of Wall Street would not promote the sell out of the American populace in the form of outsourcing in the name of absolute maximum quarterly profits at all costs. If we had responsible capitalism, there would be no push for socialism.
Great comment, and ppl still wondering why American teens are interested in socialism TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR COUNTRY and fix it with your capitalism rules maybe they wont think of socialism anymore
I think what you two are missing is that America isn’t full capitalism we are 50/50 we 50 percent socialism also a lot of rich people earned their money also socialism it’s a thin line between going good or bad
Ever heard of supply and demand? There's more people than homes and when there is a high demand for living the higher the price goes up. This is a universal truth that you did not take into account.
@@henrik4630 Agree! Honestly I am in favor of the voting age to be 25. Kids would be out of school and out of college. They would have a taste of what life is really like. A 21 year old still has no idea on how the world works and we are going to entrust them to vote on the next president? Think about that one.
@The Dracobirthstonian The 2008 financial crisis had alot to do with people defaulting on loans that they should not have been allowed to even be approved of. Then you have the Central Bank increasing interest rates because they didnt see anything wrong. Because of this people defaulted on loans and business's had to let go of employees because the high rates the Fed did. People have to understand that if Economic confidence is not good business's will not hire.
The American Media has been brainwashing their populace since the 70's to go entirely free market. What's crazy is the people calling democratic policies socialist/communist, when those same policies were passed by republican moderates more than 50 years ago, when we were fighting *actual* communists.
@Joshua Bowser Those are examples that have been sabotaged by the Republican party from the onset. They intend to remove Medicare and Social Security, for less cost effective, less stable 401k's and private insurance. The conservatives in Britain are trying to privatize their health system by intentionally underfunding it as well. Your private insurance is ranked 30th globally in healthcare quality, yet costs more than any other countries system. Nice job falling for the nationalist propaganda without actually researching anything about what other countries have.
@@enyotheios2613 Democrats do want socialism. Look at the logic behind their policies. They directly want to rob some people in order to give to others who make poor decisions. Look at student debt forgiveness, for example. Rather than addressing the problem on why college costs are rising(like the over abundance of administrative positions that provide no benefit to education), they simply want to pay off debt owed by individuals who racked up thousands in debt for degrees that will never pay that debt off. They are using tax money paid by people who correctly saved their money and didn't run up lots of debt to pay for those who didn't. The problem at its core still exists(high prices), and they are simply subsidizing that industry to continue charging high prices. This approach is exactly like their approach on healthcare. They are not creating the conditions necessary to improve the situation, they are simply using other people's money to pay for a band-aid that allows them to trick people into reelecting them. They are what is known as champagne communists. They love socialism, as long as someone else is paying to maintain their lifestyle. They seek to rob that money through use of government muscle. It's the same in every country that uses their methods of leadership. You have no middle class, only the super rich(socially woke) elite who engineer social policies that encourage the masses to be dependent on them, and the poor who have no upward mobility and the illusion of stability provided by the elite that rule them. Just look at cities in the US that have been subjected to Dem policies for decades...extreme disparity between the rich and poor coupled with insane housing prices that drive many towards homelessness and dependence on government.
That's not even getting into the topic of places like Sweden importing low wage workers from the third world to replace the middle class in their country(which also imports the violence from those regions, aka the sharp rise in grenade attacks and no go zones).
@@qntcats5974 I see you've been fully indoctrinated by the individualist fallacy. For the past 40 years we've undergone slashing of social services, deregulations of industry, and lowering of taxes on the wealthy, and all it's gotten is more wealth disparity, rising tuition costs, and wages that only just keep up with inflation. We're ranked 22nd in Median income, something that should be ranked in the top few with our stock market figures, if there was such a thing as the free market working. Furthermore, since we've privatized the majority of road works, the costs have gone up, the quality has gone down, the time for projects takes longer, and the workers are compensated with less. When private industry has shady quality, then you're forced to look for other contractors who have the same nefarious business practices ( I have a Bachelor's in Business Management, particularly project micromanagement.) When a government run operation drops in standards, you vote in representatives to revamp and fix the system. It will always be cheaper for better quality of mandatory sectors if it's run by the government for the simple fact that it's not *for profit.* When Eisenhower had high taxes on the wealthy (a Republican) he said it was their duty to pay back the society who was to thank for their success. The rhetoric I hear from conservatives, is that we're subservient to the billionaires, not equals. "Poor people, poor choices", is a total fallacy. Just because the stars don't align, you're not born into wealth, or life throws you some curve balls, does not mean you had poor choices. No human life is actually worth thousands of times more than others. The fact that you would think so, just shows your Aristocratic leanings.
@@givi9266 well, we have those systems now for over 100 years in place. And we're still known for excellent craftsmanship and engineering ingenuity. We're still the worlds biggest exporter and our currency is one of the few which is stronger than the US Dollar. What have you achieved in the last 100 years? 🤔
I bet you don't know that Marx is the economist who coined the term "Capitalism" or that in economics the abbreviation for Capital is "K" not "C" (which stands for consumption, not capital). The reason it is "K" is b/c Marx's first language was German (being a German Jew and all, who moved from there to France and then England). Kapital is how you spell capital in German, if you didn't know that.
You know, there IS a difference between Democratic Socialism and Social Democracy! This news organisation didn't do their homework properly. They talk about Social Democracy, not Democratic Socialism.
Lol no such thing. Like In Venezuela...yeah? Look how there social democracy turned out. It's spelled different but it still big government getting involved making the people never rise out of poverty.
5:23 Why is Finland a part of the ussr here? We clapped their cheeks in 1917 and from 1939 to 1945. Finland has never been a socialist country the same way that all other nordic countries as far as i’m aware. I still liked this video because the news company itself did not take a leaning stance on this. They were quite neutral in my opinion which is a sign of a good media company.
My first thought was Russian Empire when I saw this but then I saw divided Germany and no Austrian Empire/Austria Hungary. Also, why is Denmark part of East Germany???
fins infliceted more losses on the Soviets than the Soviet's did to the Finns once in '39 due to lack of Soviet planning...and they still got concessions from Finland...such clapping...
@@khameriengibson1975 Well not getting rolled over by the Soviet Union while still being a big country and keeping our independence is a great success to me. Also commies are bad.
Most wealth is inherited. Alot of poor people are brilliant workers, just their job identifies them to be on minimum wage. Does anyone really need a billion dollars, seriously? Capitalists are parasites who feed off the workers to fill their pockets.
alvallac21 , Australia is a free country , but Americans know their rights . Yes maybe, not everyone shares in the same freedom . Australia they keep on more and more layers of bureaucracy.
Alberto Francesca Thank you for not being one of those foreigners who bash on The United States and call it and it’s people a shithole or hell. And actually understand it’s a serious problem we are aware of and the American public are suffering from. I have serious respect for you, we Americans love Australia 🇦🇺❤️🇺🇸
crosstraffic tbh it’s most DSA members’ definition of Marxist theory. You can thank news media like nbc and major “socialist” political figures like AOC and Bernie for that.
You also gotta understand who took away those jobs in New York. It was Jeff Benzo leaving when he didn’t see anything in it for HIMSELF, taking the resources other people depend on with him.
wonder why you didn't interview a left leaning economist like Stephanie Kelton or Dean Baker when asking the "how are you going to pay for it?" question?!? 🤔
Wonder why when talking about taxes were talking specifically about Scandinavia and not countries with "People's" in their names? Oh right - because income tax rate was usually 0%
You know this is a stupid questions because there are dozens of detailed plans out there for how to raise money for whatever. Only VERY stupid politicians like Trump start projects without having a plan how to found them (the wall). So why wasting time in this interview with someone explaining their detailed plan to uninterested viewers without knowledge about specifics just to avoid your polemic statement when everybody who wants to research this can simply find it online?
@@SebastianHaban Keep in mind also that when somebody says "it will cost X annually" it usually means "it will spend X annually". Not taking into account generated income. Take universal healthcare - yes it will require money, but it will also be net reduce in spending, as individual people and companies will not need to spend money on their plans.
Miku MichDem the number one issue in health care is cardiovascular disease. The number one cause of that is obesity, from overeating. Why should I have to pay for people who don’t want to stop stuffing their faces?
“It doesn’t matter what you call it.” Well, if you start using words as silly insults, their real meaning will soon be forgotten. Also, the fact that the US calls itself a democracy is just straight up laughable!
The US, for all its flaws is still far more of a true democracy than the ridiculous "democracies" of Europe where proper democracy sits behind the inequality of the quota systems. Funny how Scandinavian countries claim to have democracy when their candidates are handpicked from a specific pool created by the quota systems. "Oh yeah I was "democratically" elected from a pool of 3 people because we needed a woman/trans/etc person so 70% of the others were auto disqualified"....yeah..."democracy"
America is already spending billions on health care during past administrations with a debt of about 3 trillion dollars. Imagine having free health care. How much more billions of dollars are we gonna waste?
