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The recent local elections in England introduced two new 'metro mayors'. We explain the history of devolution in England, why it’s currently on the rise, and what this might lead to next.
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@iangallagher5485
@iangallagher5485 11 дней назад
3.27: The coats of arms for Leeds and Liverpool have been inadvertently switched. Heraldic nerds up north are going ballistic right now....
@georgespeighteh9342
@georgespeighteh9342 11 дней назад
thought it was odd that leeds had mermen on the crest... was wondering where the sea in leeds was
@BrotherJing1
@BrotherJing1 11 дней назад
Surely they're going medieval?
@Ash-ve8hh
@Ash-ve8hh 11 дней назад
midlands*
@joseph.m14
@joseph.m14 11 дней назад
& 2:08 is stock footage of Manchester, NEW HAMPSHIRE. I'm sure there is at least one error in every tldr video
@zeybarur
@zeybarur 11 дней назад
​@@georgespeighteh9342maybe they were carried to the crest by the liverbirds Leedsbirds?
@Keln02
@Keln02 11 дней назад
As someone who lives in Cornwall, there are 3 things I hate: -London money -Airbnb -Seagulls on bin days
@juanfranciscovillarroelthu6876
@juanfranciscovillarroelthu6876 11 дней назад
One of this is not like the others
@thecolombian8909
@thecolombian8909 11 дней назад
@@juanfranciscovillarroelthu6876cornwall?
@robinbennett5994
@robinbennett5994 11 дней назад
@@juanfranciscovillarroelthu6876 They're all invasive species that fly in, make a lot of noise, pick out the juicy bits and disappear leaving a mess.
@Harryjw67
@Harryjw67 11 дней назад
Same here in Plymouth
@BrotherJing1
@BrotherJing1 11 дней назад
@@Harryjw67 yeah, it's a shame Devonwall has become such a toxic idea because the two areas have alot more in common then they do differences (I could not give a single shit about how you put jam and cream on a scone). Let's call it the Dumnonian Regional Authority and move on with it
@Zethonring23
@Zethonring23 11 дней назад
Ed Miliband has a chapter about this in his book, where he explains devolution and how flawed the current system is, it's unbelievable how relatively little power regional mayors have, they have to ask Westminster for permission for damn near everything, and most of the time they just say no. Devolution wouldn't just be great for representation it would make these regions more governable and easier to live and work in.
@WhichDoctor1
@WhichDoctor1 11 дней назад
its no mystery why the southeast is the richest part of the country, and also where almost all the governmental power is. Money follows power
@JupiterThunder
@JupiterThunder 11 дней назад
Devolution is a disaster - it's designed to entrench traitor leftists in all metropolitan areas which then extend out into the rural areas and these woke-leftist, islamist traitors can never be removed.
@jim-es8qk
@jim-es8qk 11 дней назад
...or create a giant mess. Odds are it will create a mess.
@aceman0000099
@aceman0000099 11 дней назад
​@@WhichDoctor1there's some great literature about how the entire British empire was designed to funnel money to London and (and nowadays- from London to the Cayman islands) This is unlike the vast majority of other countries. The wealth distribution of France, for instance, is a lot more geographically equal although Paris is of course at the top.
@tobeytransport2802
@tobeytransport2802 11 дней назад
@@jim-es8qkin what way will it create a giant mess? Giving local and regional areas a say on decisions in that area… it’s not like we’re giving regional authorities the nuclear button or parish councils access to the G7 summit… we’re talking about housing, transport, roads, green spaces, and I think importantly the local economy and taxation (which is still very centralised while at the same time the government refuses to fund anything).
@jamessteel9016
@jamessteel9016 11 дней назад
It’s a good thing; shouldn’t just be centralised to London and the UK government saying what these local areas can and cannot spend their money on.
@gameofender4463
@gameofender4463 11 дней назад
Devolution works when it makes sense to have it from a cultural identity perspective. There should be five devolved Parliaments in the U.K. England, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall and Northern Ireland.
@hydra7427
@hydra7427 11 дней назад
@@gameofender4463 This implies that the English or Welsh have a culture. They by definition do not. Only indigenous peoples can have a cultural identity.
@ccouch713
@ccouch713 11 дней назад
​@@hydra7427 Wait, are you genuinely saying that tere's no such thing as English or Welsh culture? Please define culture for me
@gameofender4463
@gameofender4463 11 дней назад
@@hydra7427 Yes they do. England and Wales do have cultural differences. And, importantly, their own languages, just like Cornwall and Scotland do.
@DaDARKPass
@DaDARKPass 11 дней назад
@@gameofender4463 That's the most backwards way to do it. Dividing people along culture is just cementing the unimportant differences between people. You don't see US states being divided along ethnicity or language or culture. So, why should the UK's regional areas be divided as such?
@Realciderreviews
@Realciderreviews 11 дней назад
England needs its own parliament like Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Leave Westminster for uk/ international issues.
@quantummotion
@quantummotion 4 дня назад
Canadian here. I was about to make the same point. If Canada had a distribution of powers as the UK, it would be as if the province of Ontario were run in Ottawa, as opposed to its current parliament in Toronto. The Canadian constitutional framework makes cities and their powers sole concerns of the provinces. In Canada, a current hot topic is the ability of the federal government to give cash directly to cities without first consulting the provinces. Two provinces have passed legislation that prevent cities from taking federal money directly (as the federal government has formal funding mechanisms that are formulaic that pass to the provinces as equalization payments). Englanders can look forward to more of these metro mayor's complaining about not enough money is passed from London. There will also be a large portion of the electorate that will simply not know which government will take care of what program. Even in a more "cleanly" designed system as Canada, many people fall for federal politicking in areas they have no jurisdiction, provincial politicking blaming the federal government for lack of funds even though the price Vince's have constitutional provided taxing authority, and nonsense arguments of "provincial" money going to the federal government even though the provinces collect their own tax, and there are federal taxes that are owed by you DIRECTLY to the federal government. The downside of evolution is that with all the "throats to choke", many have no clue as to which government needs to be throttled.
@valentins7120
@valentins7120 11 дней назад
I love the use of aerial footage of the American Manchester in this video x)
@InfinteIdeas
@InfinteIdeas 8 дней назад
Manchester, NH specifically, since there are multiple cities named Manchester in the United States.
@carlossaraiva8213
@carlossaraiva8213 4 дня назад
@@InfinteIdeas Manchester-By-The-Sea?
@mogznwaz
@mogznwaz 3 дня назад
😂
@twiseman184
@twiseman184 11 дней назад
You used stock footage of Manchester New Hampshire, USA, not Manchester UK
@stev5293
@stev5293 11 дней назад
have they jumped on the AI bandwagon 😂
@yippedeedatdadodo7525
@yippedeedatdadodo7525 10 дней назад
lmaoooo
@InfinteIdeas
@InfinteIdeas 8 дней назад
The better Manchester
@AndyD2000
@AndyD2000 8 дней назад
Great editing there. Only a slight difference in size.
@TylerMarkRichardson
@TylerMarkRichardson 8 дней назад
​@@stev5293Thats not what ai is...
@Jordan_Warrington
@Jordan_Warrington 11 дней назад
im from manchester, we need more devolution and better local representation.
@NeilMartin98
@NeilMartin98 11 дней назад
And the Clean Air Greater Manchester zone to be scrapped.
@shadowsift
@shadowsift 11 дней назад
​@@NeilMartin98why? What is it?
@Jordan_Warrington
@Jordan_Warrington 11 дней назад
@@NeilMartin98 that’s not a Manchester thing really. The government got sued and so they have to reduce air pollution, so the five came up with the CAZ, however the local government (not sure what level) gets to figure of the specifics.
@NeilMartin98
@NeilMartin98 11 дней назад
@@Jordan_Warrington It's all over the UK but not all of them charge for entering it. Similar to the other zones, it just penalises the average worker and even worse for tradies in white diesel vans. The irony of a government who does this yet is fine to sign off new oil and gas contracts and has no issue with the source of the cobalt.
@lukesenior7046
@lukesenior7046 10 дней назад
Yes… you’ve got someone there who is competent, so he needs more power. Ours is a moron, I’d gladly scrap the position personally.
@AaronMichaelLong
@AaronMichaelLong 11 дней назад
The more intrusive, meddlesome, and bureaucratic your national government is, the more popular devolution becomes, as the national government simply becomes too intransigent to accomplish anything, and of course, accomplishing things without government interference is unthinkable.
@doritomorito
@doritomorito 4 дня назад
Perhaps - but do remember, the UN Agenda 2030 dreamed up by our unelected elite, some years ago, specifically targets local government, the better to execute the plan. I'm not saying devolution is a bad idea in principle, just highlighting the end of democracy as described in the UN's plan for a "sustainable" world government very much includes devolution and localisation to deliver on the plan. Just saying.
@aaronmg21
@aaronmg21 11 дней назад
You've mixed up the Leeds and Liverpool coats of arms. Liverpool has the more nautically-themed one...
@leroy0151
@leroy0151 10 дней назад
....not to mention the multiple Liver birds on it XD
@doritomorito
@doritomorito 4 дня назад
Perhaps it's run by folks who aren't British, and who have little regard for such things. The Manchester footage is the wrong Manchester, by the way.
@corz299
@corz299 11 дней назад
It shouldn't be so complicated. We should have an english devolved parliament, we should have a welsh devolved parliament, a scottish devolved parliament, a northern irish devolved parliament, and then the overall UK parliament in westminster. All with the Single Transferrable Voting system (Proportional Representation)
@thermostance1815
@thermostance1815 11 дней назад
It just sounds like the UK is reinventing federalism.
@chrislillie5522
@chrislillie5522 11 дней назад
England does have an English parliment. Ita called Westminster.. Not one country in the uk can block what England wants.. If England wanted to privatise the nhs and voted in the relevant mps. Scotland and Wales could not outvoted England on that issue.. unless some English mps sided with the scottish and Welsh. By some I mean alot of them.. about 1 third... So England does have a parliment. It doesn't need devolved powers.. because England's parliment holds ALL the power. A devolved English parliment would therefore be moot before inception.
@gothicgolem2947
@gothicgolem2947 11 дней назад
I think it should be down to the devovled parliaments to select their voting systems. I am supportive of an English parliament tho. But even then metro mayors would be good
@K_Ri-mw4hr
@K_Ri-mw4hr 11 дней назад
Well you can easily make an argument against English devolution. Firstly, the vast majority of Parliament & Government are English. Both in nationality & constituency. The reason Wales, Scotland & Northern Ireland have devolved governments is that, because they make up such a small portion of Parliament, their issues & concerns aren't properly listened to and addressed by the majority-English parliament. So they have devolved governments to directly address these issues. England, making up most of Parliament & the UK, has their issues directly addressed by Parliament because, commonly, an issue for England is usually an issue for many MPs or the entire nation as a whole. And, finally, people don't really care about devolution in England. Bristol actually voted to get rid of their elected mayor. Local elections as is currently get quite low turnout as is. And, unlike Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland, there isn't nearly as much of a distinct 'English' identity in England. Because we're a lot more represented & connected to the union as a whole. The only time you hear someone chanting for English Independence is when the old guy in the corner of the pub has too much to drink.
@gameofender4463
@gameofender4463 11 дней назад
@@K_Ri-mw4hrThe only part of England that needs a devolved administration like Wales and Scotland is Cornwall.
@ggCA07
@ggCA07 11 дней назад
all i’m hearing is that Brits want federalism but without calling it federalism so they’re creating a messy system to cope…
@kimandre336
@kimandre336 10 дней назад
Exactly yes.
@carlossaraiva8213
@carlossaraiva8213 4 дня назад
I fear you hit the nail in the head.
@DaDARKPass
@DaDARKPass 3 дня назад
British people (and most people infact) fail to understand Federalism. They think it means giving local power to those who want it, but it doesn't. Federalism is meant to be a structure that provides 2 tiers of government(regional and federal), where the entire country is split into regional parts each with their own regional government that can make their own laws, but all regions still have to follow the laws of the federal government. Most importantly, however, is that federalism should not be based on already existing divisions! It should not be based on language, or ethnicity, or culture, or politics, or any other differences people love to divide themselves over. Federalism done right should make the people as miserable of their regional government as they do their national government - they should not feel allegiance to regional governments over national governments.
@justinun01
@justinun01 11 дней назад
If Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland have their own parliament then it only makes sense the English have their own. It’s called federalism.
@joshuafrimpong244
@joshuafrimpong244 11 дней назад
That may open up a can of worms for areas like Cornwall
@lemdixon01
@lemdixon01 11 дней назад
England has too much power it seems so break it up into kingdoms again. I think the power is comming globally so they will not want any state that is too large and powerful.
@MustraOrdo
@MustraOrdo 11 дней назад
@@joshuafrimpong244 Just let it be. It's better than whatever this current system has become.
@joshuafrimpong244
@joshuafrimpong244 11 дней назад
​@@MustraOrdofair enough
@gothicgolem2947
@gothicgolem2947 11 дней назад
That’s not what federalism is. It would still be devolution as central gov could repeal It if they wish. Federalism is like the Us or Germany where you can’t just repeal it either a simple act
@jameslewis2635
@jameslewis2635 11 дней назад
I believe that the uptake of devolution is mostly a way for those in the Westminster to shift the blame for local authorities not having enough funding to keep services going.
@TheGerkuman
@TheGerkuman 11 дней назад
But if it was being done fairly, they'd have more say not only on how to spend the money, but also be given more money to spend So the issue isn't devolution itself, but the people in centralised government who hate the idea (e.g. Boris Johnson)
@carlossaraiva8213
@carlossaraiva8213 4 дня назад
Scotland started to thrive with their devolved parlament. In fact, Scotland should become independent - and re-join the EU - to fullfill it's full potential.
@doritomorito
@doritomorito 4 дня назад
It is part of UN Agenda 2030. Fact. Read the sustainability document produced by the UN - it's there in black and white - and been the plan for decades.
@boldiegoldie
@boldiegoldie 11 дней назад
NI has had some sort of devolution since 1921, with a gap during the troubles, Blair just helped to restore & vastly improve it.
@tulliusexmisc2191
@tulliusexmisc2191 10 дней назад
Yes, although it was quite a long gap.
@hellojasonsuresh
@hellojasonsuresh 11 дней назад
Devolution, in theory, is good - but the way it has been rolled out is a mess. Leeds City Region was one of the first city regions to ask for devolved powers, but the Government said no. The Government then asked Yorkshire what kind of devolution arrangement it would want, and they came back with one Yorkshire Assembly - again, the Government said no. In the end, we ended up with four devolved bodies based on the existing ineffective administrative boundaries, meaning that Leeds; city region sits within three different devolved authorities now (West Yorks, North Yorks, South Yorks). It's really dumb. In addition, the combined authorities still have to strike funding deals with Westminster - they have no ability to raise their own tax as in other countries.
@gameofender4463
@gameofender4463 11 дней назад
England should have its own devolved Parliament with the exception that Cornwall gets its own separate one. Given its own language and Celtic ties with Wales & Scotland.
@gabrielcoventry4586
@gabrielcoventry4586 11 дней назад
This sounds like an argument for proper devolution since this has all been caused by Westminster's classic pissing about act
@swymaj02
@swymaj02 11 дней назад
​@@gabrielcoventry4586yes yes
@aidan-4759
@aidan-4759 11 дней назад
@@gameofender4463God no, do you want England to forever be run by the tories?
@wclifton968gameplaystutorials
@wclifton968gameplaystutorials 11 дней назад
@@aidan-4759 It'd be worse than that, the spooky "Far-Right" would take over England, can't have the ghoulish UKIP or Homeland Parties taking over England now can we? (I am actually in favour of this).
@DGAMINGDE
@DGAMINGDE 11 дней назад
I think devolution is a good thing especially in the UK. As more regional elections such as in Northern Ireland, Wales and Scottland use fairer electoral systems, leading to more parties having a share in power and there being more electoral coalitions. Interesting a good argument against devolution can be seen in the German capital of Berlin. It has devolved parts of its administration to even smaller parts of the cities. This has sadly lead to an ineffective and bigger buerocracy.
@oillipheist
@oillipheist 11 дней назад
Do another video about Cornish devolution
@TiaanKruger
@TiaanKruger 11 дней назад
would be interesting to see a video on the potential downsides of devolution, as a counter balance to this video. not saying there are strong ones, but would be interesting to see the TLDR take on it
@tulliusexmisc2191
@tulliusexmisc2191 10 дней назад
1:22 "To understand how this all came about, we've got to go back to the late 90's". I would say we have to go back to the 1980's, when the Thatcher government took control of traditionally local government matters such as health and education, and essentially eliminated others such as local transport. The limited amount of devolution we have seen from New Labour and afterwards has only restored a small degree of control over the infrastructure built up by local councils over the previous decades and centuries.
@JamesL42
@JamesL42 9 дней назад
Devolution was already a mistake when we did it in Scotland and Wales what makes anyone think this is not just going to tear this entire country asunder.
@carlossaraiva8213
@carlossaraiva8213 4 дня назад
Both the scots and welsh disagree with you and their are more right about their own country than a clueless imperialistic brexiteer like you.
@doritomorito
@doritomorito 4 дня назад
I don't think they plan to maintain the identity of any nation, mate. UN Agenda 2030? The year is even mentioned in the video. One world government - whether you want one or not. Probably won't happen, as the majority of the world isn't on board - it's very much a Western US/NATO/Europe wet dream. Watch them all meet up in Davos with the big business chiefs and the "official" news channels we all trust.
@Sallust_
@Sallust_ 11 дней назад
This is the first video I've seen of this woman presenting the content. She's exceptional. Great job.
@deeznoots6241
@deeznoots6241 11 дней назад
Because all the fiscal responsibilities can be put on them while the national government takes all the tax, effectively letting the national government purposefully deprive areas of services while pinning the blame on the local councils who are restricted in their sources of revenue by the national government.
@shadowshots9393
@shadowshots9393 11 дней назад
At least it would loosen up the beurocracy instead of asking westminster for every thing
@corpclarke
@corpclarke 11 дней назад
I used to be a big supporter of devolution (or localism as it was once called). But seeing how it has been used since the late 90s has thoroughly changed my mind. I don't see evidence of better policy making at all (see worse health, economic and educational outcomes in Wales and Scotland since devolution - the omission of which shows a significant bias in your video). Likewise, to show that Manchester employment success was due to devolution, you have to compare it to another non-devolved City in England, not the UK in general, which includes all the most deprived areas of the UK (although I actually think Manchester is one of the moderately successful ones in general). Most (but not all) devolved governments have simply become opposition executives to the government (whoever is in the government), seemingly more concerned with opposing whatever the government is doing rather than doing what is best for their voters (covid was especially revealing with the Scottish Government trying to blatantly score cheap political points during a serious event). Likewise, central government (whoever is in power) often uses devolution to step back from problems they should be solving, and to blame the opposition party running the devolved admin. Finally, and another incredible omission on your part, if they are so good, why is voter turnout so low? I don't think these devolved admins have broad support, but there is no way to test it since no major party is proposing to reverse devolution. Gotta say guys, another poor video only showing one side of a complicated argument.
@MrHws5mp
@MrHws5mp 11 дней назад
Note that when they were showing the approval/disapproval figures for city mayors, they didn't highlight or read out Khan's figures for London. Gee I wonder why... oh: they were 38% approval vs 40% disapproval.
@corpclarke
@corpclarke 11 дней назад
@@MrHws5mp Good spot. This channel does not explicitly say false things, it just seems to consistently omit half the argument. Not showing the whole truth.
@TheModeler99
@TheModeler99 11 дней назад
Great counterpoints. I still think devolution is better but should be implemented differently, local leaders will always have a better understanding of what their community needs
@corpclarke
@corpclarke 11 дней назад
@@TheModeler99 that is the argument for it, but I don't see the evidence that we get better local leaders because of Devolution. Theoretically, parliament is 650 local MPs who should know their area well.
@doodlebug4360
@doodlebug4360 9 дней назад
​@@corpclarke In theory that's true. Though in my example we see far to many Londoners come up for an "easy" seat. And once they get it, they do a great big load of F all. The North has been starved for too long.
@michaelbloomer451
@michaelbloomer451 11 дней назад
Not seen this presenter before. In keeping with the high standards of the channel. Well done!
@lynnhall8720
@lynnhall8720 3 дня назад
Because "United we stand, divided we fall". The Pax Romana was "Divide and Conquer"! We must remember these sayings and remain one UNITED KINGDOM!
@Mrcheekymonkeyisback
@Mrcheekymonkeyisback 11 дней назад
firstly. she is pretty secondly she is well spoken thirdly. great video ladies and gents, done a good job with this one
@doritomorito
@doritomorito 4 дня назад
Presumably, they are the grounds on which you judge fact from fiction? Good luck, buddy. You'll need it.
@markryan2475
@markryan2475 11 дней назад
Great summary. Thanks
@glenpovey1297
@glenpovey1297 11 дней назад
As a medievalist, I am all in favour of devolution in England. Let's see the seven ancient Anglo-Saxon kingdoms revived: the heptarchy of Kent, Sussex, Wessex, East Anglia, Essex, Mercia and Northumbria.
@carlossaraiva8213
@carlossaraiva8213 4 дня назад
I like that. Especially Northumbria. The northerner english sure are fed up having to deal with the home countries' snobbery.
@ijhuana
@ijhuana 9 дней назад
Very well explained!
@deanseawa
@deanseawa 11 дней назад
I'm sorry to say but I don't consider England a full-fledged democracy. As long as privilege is codified in the English system to Royalty, it never will be. This move to devolution does bring it more in line with other more democratic countries, but it still has a ways to go.
@teddybearington3
@teddybearington3 11 дней назад
Thx for this ❤❤❤
@CartaplexUS
@CartaplexUS 11 дней назад
❤❤❤❤
@dannymcwilliams422
@dannymcwilliams422 9 дней назад
I’d like to see Scottish regions get similar. Or council leaders being in Holyrood. Often the Highlands and rural areas are an afterthought, and each area has very different needs. We already have powerful councils but they could operate better.
@carlossaraiva8213
@carlossaraiva8213 4 дня назад
I have been to the Highlands and they looked pretty developed to me. I am positive that back when there was no devolved parlament in Scotland the Highlands and rural areas in Scotland were far, far worse and underdeveloped thanks to london's perpectual desinterest.
@hooting-ton5215
@hooting-ton5215 11 дней назад
We in Wales have been fighting tooth and nail for our devolved government for a reason
@Finnbobjimbob
@Finnbobjimbob 11 дней назад
You have your own government, and it’s shit
@maikotter9945
@maikotter9945 11 дней назад
My brother and me, had been to Edinburgh! Plaid Cymru, is still a fringe party!
@Finnbobjimbob
@Finnbobjimbob 11 дней назад
You have a government, it’s just terrible
@carlossaraiva8213
@carlossaraiva8213 4 дня назад
@@maikotter9945 It great a lot since brexit and boris johnson. I wonder why.
@carlossaraiva8213
@carlossaraiva8213 4 дня назад
@@Finnbobjimbob Quite the contrary, the Welsh government is pretty good at governing Wales. You just don''t like it because they are Labour.
@rxdxctxd2287
@rxdxctxd2287 11 дней назад
for suffolk at 0:20 you missed out Newmarket as part of the area. Newmarket is an effective Annex of West Suffolk Council and suffolk as a whole, its joined onto the rest of suffolk by a very thin piece of land.
@solsunman383
@solsunman383 10 дней назад
Thank you for this. It helped me realise what on earth the Mayoral election in my local area (East Midlands/Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire) were about. I still voted in it, but I assumed it was just a ceremonial role. Your video explained that it was not, and was actually quite important. I'll go and show this video to my family members who didn't vote because they too didn't understand the position, so they can vote as well next time.
@greigism
@greigism 11 дней назад
It's not devolution, it's a sham! It's basically just transfering existing transport, and police oversight powers from groups of local councils, to one elected mayor, and then bunging that mayor a few million quid a year to put a few more buses on! Put it this way; devolution in Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland needs dozens of politicians to govern and legislate; the "mayoral combined authorities" need one mayor; with no actual powers; who will occasionally be quizzed by a committee on their spending. This powerless committee is usually just the council leaders from the area, or in London's case, and elected but pointless assembly!
@stevewiles7132
@stevewiles7132 5 дней назад
An unfortunate by product of such action, is that some regions can come under the control of ethnic enclaves, creating regional areas outside the law of the land.
@theconqueringram5295
@theconqueringram5295 11 дней назад
I'm from the US, a federation, so I am biased in favor of devolution (I know the two concepts have their differences). If done correctly, it'll allow local authorities to better manage the issues affecting their localities. If not, it just makes things into a bigger mess.
@Psyk60
@Psyk60 11 дней назад
How would banning the whip system work? Sure you could ban it as a formal system. But surely parties will always have some way to "punish" members who vote against the rest of the party? For example say a Labour MP always votes with the Conservatives. It would be wrong to force Labour to continue to endorse that person who clearly doesn't stand for the same values as the rest of the party. Without a formal whip system you will still get MPs kicked out of parties, deselected, passed over for ministerial positions, etc.
@samueldorrington8990
@samueldorrington8990 11 дней назад
I guess you'd have to allow the MPs to vote secretly. Which of course creates other issues.
@herbivorethecarnivore8447
@herbivorethecarnivore8447 11 дней назад
It's just more "ban everything without thinking about it" talk. You ban the whip system, the same thing happens under what becomes known as the Definitely Not Whip system
@hamalakarris577
@hamalakarris577 11 дней назад
@@samueldorrington8990 Wouldn't letting MPs vote secretly defeat the purpose of having elections lol
@samueldorrington8990
@samueldorrington8990 11 дней назад
@@hamalakarris577 quite possibly, for the record, im not advocating this, it was just an observation.
@lachief237
@lachief237 9 дней назад
Surely if you don’t want the whip, you could just stand as an independent? Otherwise it would seem like they just want the benefits of party support without supporting the party in return.
@myoko343
@myoko343 10 дней назад
love this channel
@lewis123417
@lewis123417 11 дней назад
I'm Welsh and I wish our affairs were handled by a cabinet office in Westminster
@Archivus23
@Archivus23 11 дней назад
I'm surprised this channel hadn't covered this topic already
@jpdfive
@jpdfive 11 дней назад
4:30 this aged well... i miss andy :(
@MrJonyish
@MrJonyish 11 дней назад
There’s a move for a devolved Dorset as well!
@TedJM
@TedJM 11 дней назад
There needs to be an entirely devolved South West with a regional assembly in Taunton (central location). The South West seems to be forgotten about even more than The North.
@SuhbanIo
@SuhbanIo 11 дней назад
@@TedJM it's much richer than the North
@aigeneratedwauigi2696
@aigeneratedwauigi2696 7 дней назад
@@TedJMit’s forgotten about because it’s not a shit hole like a north
@TheGerkuman
@TheGerkuman 11 дней назад
The issue with Andy's anti-whip plan is that even if that worked, most MP's believe that once they've been elected they have the right to decide what their constituents need or want, even if the constituents clearly disagree. The only way to fix that is to vote in candidates with a more reasonable position. (Some people want to treat MP's more like delegates at a union conference, where the constituents decide what they want and the MP does it, but others think that's too far in the other direction)
@DaveNashknasher
@DaveNashknasher 11 дней назад
2:13 Couldn't find any aerial footage of a English town so had to go for one in the US? Not great when you're talking about devolution of power in England...
@shreysureen2669
@shreysureen2669 10 дней назад
Please balance the sound levels between the hosts talking and the intro sequence. 0:34 just deafened me
@CTCTraining1
@CTCTraining1 11 дней назад
I feel you glossed over the fact that Andy Street lost his bid for re-election which was a bit of a surprise given how well likes he was trying to make the best of a bad (HS2) job.
@slimchris113
@slimchris113 11 дней назад
Rishi scrapping HS2 again made Andy street lose his position
@Samuel_J1
@Samuel_J1 11 дней назад
I thought they were going to cover that, but then had a 2 minute segment on Nebula
@SuhbanIo
@SuhbanIo 11 дней назад
@@slimchris113 typical
@Joshpox
@Joshpox 11 дней назад
That's another problem with Metro Mayors, the voting is a glorified opinion poll for Westminster instead of being based on local performance.
@daniels7907
@daniels7907 11 дней назад
Just a pro tip from the U.S. - Having redundant layers of government may appeal to people who think that "government should be close to the people". But it does come a significant cost. For example, in the U.S., municipal/county, state, and federal governments can all levy taxes independently of each other, and even tax "income" that went to pay taxes to a different layer of government. People will tend to blame all tax increases on the federal government, even if they were actually enacted by a different layer of government. This tends to result in local and state governments overspending and/or cutting their revenues because they believe that the federal government should make up the difference. They then complain about taxes.
@octavianpopescu4776
@octavianpopescu4776 9 дней назад
Being Eastern European, I'm also not a fan of "government close to the people", but for a different reason. The closer it is to the people, the more corrupt it gets, because there's less oversight. It's easier to bribe people and buy 20 votes than 100000 votes. He just needs to bribe/threaten a smaller number of people to stay in power. We had something we called "local barons", i.e. politicians who ruled for years and years specific areas like they were their fiefdoms. Mayors who were elected/re-elected/re-re-re-elected over and over again, because they had a grip on power in their commune/town/city. As a citizen you could expect him to put his entire family/friends in key positions and if you had the bad luck of owning a land he and his friends wanted, you could expect harassment from public authorities who lived to serve him. It's why I trust the EU way more than my national politicians, no EU official ever asked me for a bribe or threatened me. It's the local politicians I don't trust, but I know I can trust German, Spanish or whatever politicians.
@daniels7907
@daniels7907 9 дней назад
@@octavianpopescu4776 - Thanks for that insight! The U.S. also sees this same problem at the state and local levels. Ron DeSantis runs Florida as if were a Medieval duchy, to the extent of trying to control what books people can read. There are long histories of local government working the same. My home town had the same mayor from when I was 2 years old until I was 20, and he only stepped down because he was old and wanted to retire. The mayorship was passed onto a hand-picked successor. Both men were on the board of a local bank that would-be developers looking to get permits for projects were advised to handle their financial transactions through. Local taxes (i.e. property taxes) were (and still are) insanely high (among the highest in the U.S.). But getting people to accept that the problem was local and *not* caused by "the political establishment in D.C." was nearly impossible. It's easier to blame the politicians you rarely, if ever, see in person, than it is the ones who you could see regularly around town.
@octavianpopescu4776
@octavianpopescu4776 9 дней назад
@@daniels7907 I do follow US news and yes, Rs in the US do seem... Eastern European in their rhetoric (whataboutism is a classic here) and practices. We had our own version of Trump 10 years before Trump, but he never got as far as Trump did (real estate developer, not very educated, loud mouth, loudly Christian, using a populist slogan associated with the far-right: "Make Romania as Holy as the Sun in the Sky" - a former 1930s Legionary/fascist motto, similar to "America First" or MAGA, same mobster mindset, owning a sports team - Trump tried to create a rival to the NFL in the 1980s). He ended up in prison for a few years... maybe, maybe, the ongoing Trump trial where he sharts and sleeps will end the same way. And keep in mind that this guy: George Becali did all these things 10 years before Trump. He ran twice for president, but never got more than 3% of the vote, but he did make it to the European Parliament. I see that your local town also has its own version of local barons, not just because it's the same guy, but the same guy acting in his own business interests. A lot of our corruption was implemented like this: it was all legal on paper. I thought in the US, unlike here, the politicians and the businessmen were different people, tied through lobby groups, but I stand corrected. No need for lobby-ists when they'd just be lobbying themselves. And you're right: accepting the problem is local is very hard, because people assume that seeing politicians shake hands and kiss babies or something makes them "one of the people". They're not. This is why Brexit seemed like such a terrible idea to me looking at the UK: they removed a layer of protection against local politicians. Over here, the EU frequently acted as a check on the local politicians. They'd be shoulder deep in public funds if they could get away with it.
@michaelkeeley8594
@michaelkeeley8594 11 дней назад
I think a very good thing could be this leading to a very similar thing to the Bundesrat in Germany where each of the German regions elect representatives to go to this 2nd house. It would be a great way to support devolution and a great replacement to the House of Lords if something similar happens here
@ThomasBoyd-cg4of
@ThomasBoyd-cg4of 11 дней назад
Awesome. Federalism in England London yes.
@zeewallrus4207
@zeewallrus4207 10 дней назад
Manchester City transport system works with the Bee network however it is far from effective in my local area. Many of my colleagues are consistently late due to buses just not turning up at all since the roll out.
@agathoklesmartinios8414
@agathoklesmartinios8414 11 дней назад
Frankly, there should already have been a devolved English national parliament on the same level as the Welsh, Scottish, and Northern Irish parliaments. And then England could further devolve power from there. It's just nonsensical that every constituent country of the UK has their own devolved government, but not England.
@gameofender4463
@gameofender4463 11 дней назад
Cornwall should have it’s own independent assembly too. It’s the same as Wales & Scotland only geographically smaller. So there should be five devolved Parliaments. England, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall and Northern Ireland.
@talideon
@talideon 11 дней назад
Constitutionally, England doesn't exist. It's what's left over from the UK when the parts with a legal identity are excluded, which are NI, Scotland, and Wales. The UK's parliament already is England's parliament. This is the case not even from a legal POV (the UK's parliament being the legal continuation of that of the Kingdom of England) but also in terms of population: England has roughly 80% of the UK's population. I think you can see how that might end up being problematic. The other devolved parliaments work because they're covering much smaller populations, so they don't run the risk of ending up either horribly neutered or as challengers to the UK parliament. No, a more sensible proposal would be to create devolved assemblies in parts of England with a strong local identity separate from that of England. Yorkshire is a prime example of this, and there ought to have been a single Yorkshire assembly with similar powers to the Welsh assembly.
@normanchristie4524
@normanchristie4524 11 дней назад
Unfortunately these devolved governments are still answerable to Westminster which gives Westminster MPs the power to countermand Bills agreed within the parliament of the devolved country.
@normanchristie4524
@normanchristie4524 11 дней назад
The answer is a federal parliament not built on the Westminster model.
@Infinitystar225
@Infinitystar225 11 дней назад
An English devolved parliament will still be dominated by London, that was the exact same reason Scotland wanted its own parliament.
@juliemaddern
@juliemaddern 5 дней назад
Absolutely NUTS!
@thesaturdaytechchannelwith553
@thesaturdaytechchannelwith553 11 дней назад
I've always thought allowing the District councils/government to have legislative and administrative devolution is a very good idea. Having said that, on the other hand, Scottish and Welsh devolved assemblies should both be completely removed, because as I've already mentioned it should be the local District councils/City councils that get devolution, as only devolving legislative/administrative powers to the national level in Scotland and Wales inherently and indirectly clearly leads to more calls for internal ethnic seperatism within the UK, however, if local District councils get devolved powers then local people can obtain more local sovereignty over their local area whilst mostly avoiding the ethnic separatist problem in granting devolution to Scotland and Wales. A good example of 'local devolution' of sorts can be found in the UK Dependencies/British Overseas Territories, as those local governments have so much autonomy that they even get their own local bank that produces a localised currency that is tied to to the UK pound (GBP) that can only be legally used within the Dependency/British Overseas Territory, which should assist in giving the locals not only a sense of local identity and sovereignty but also somewhat can additionally incentivise local people to keep buying local by keeping the money flowing within the local area, as that local currency can only be used within the local Dependency/British Overseas Territory and cannot be used as legal tender in any other part of the UK. Also the Dependencies/British Overseas Territorial Parliaments technically don't have to accept the laws passed by the UK parliament, which is why the UK dependentency of Jersey mostly has seperate firearms laws to that of mainland Grear Britain. I think it would be cool if each UK district had similar legislative/administrative powers that the UK dependencies/British Overseas Territories already currently have. Another thing I do thoroughly like about the politics of the UK Dependencies/British Overseas Territories, in particular within the Channel Islands, of Jersey is that there isn't really the concept of a 'national political party' (e.g. Labour, Lib-Dem, Conservative parties etc) as their Parliament is made up mostly grass roots independent candidates which is what the UK parliament *SHOULD* also made up of independent candidates or independent political parties that only serve the district/local area and not these fake, establishment controlled mainstream national parties.
@tashi7186
@tashi7186 11 дней назад
do u guys have an app?
@naydenmatev7022
@naydenmatev7022 9 дней назад
Devolution has been one of the best decisions for Manchester. The transport used to be absolutely terrible with private companies like Stagecoach throwing battered old bus on the streets, the trams being independent, no cycle lanes and trains independent too. If the trams stopped working , your ticket wouldn’t be accepted on the buses at all. It was only after Andy put pressure on the tram and stagecoach companies that they allowed tickets to be used in case of malfunction on the service lines. The bee network has been a great implementation and with good success. Live times, on the go tickets and not worrying if you are suddenly having to use different franchisees. I hope it continues to improve and meets its promises.
@Lando-kx6so
@Lando-kx6so 11 дней назад
I didn't even know this, this is good for the future
@TheStobb50
@TheStobb50 9 дней назад
Regional UK devolution it’s a good start but it’s not there yet
@ravenm6443
@ravenm6443 2 дня назад
So my understanding of this is devolution is kind of like creating states? Where states have their own government under a greater authority. Correct me if I’m wrong
@mildlydispleased3221
@mildlydispleased3221 4 дня назад
We're really taking on a presidential system, I'd much prefer a parliamentary system.
@CharlieMile
@CharlieMile 11 дней назад
I feel like this video didn’t go deep enough. Was wondering what policy areas will be under the remit of these new devolution deals, whether it will be more policy decision making away from Westminster or whether it could to some extent takeover policy areas that are currently managed by councils.
@sambettridge3674
@sambettridge3674 11 дней назад
i could listen to her talk about english devolution deals all day
@georgios9384
@georgios9384 10 дней назад
Problem: There are not enough seats for politicians Solution: Let's make more Problem: councils and local authorities cannot make decisions because they disagree with each other Solution: Let's introduce an additional role to help them disagree more
@theuglykwan
@theuglykwan 6 дней назад
So the road to PR is probably PR for local english elections and more devolution that uses PR? That way most of the public will be familiar with PR if there is ever a national referendum on PR since the govt would be unlikely to pass it themselves.
@redsamson5185
@redsamson5185 11 дней назад
i had imagined england receiving a devolved parliament seated in the north of england, but birmingham looks like a great place for the seat of english parliament central to england as a whole.
@shelltune
@shelltune 11 дней назад
You got the crests of Leeds and Liverpool the wrong way round
@nathanreeves9408
@nathanreeves9408 10 дней назад
Interesting video, but you might have mentioned Bristol. They had a Mayoral system for a while but then voted to get rid of it. So presumably it doesn't always work?
@neuralwarp
@neuralwarp 7 дней назад
Devolution does NOT mean taking power away from Districts and giving it to Counties.
@agridley1116
@agridley1116 11 дней назад
As somebody from the north, This is very good
@danielseelye6005
@danielseelye6005 11 дней назад
So basically they've gone from tribes to The Heptarchy to the Empire to now rejecting modernity and returning to tradition with a return to The Tribes via The New Heptarchy. That's a bold strategy, Cotton. 🤔
@kfiraltberger552
@kfiraltberger552 2 дня назад
Devolution is such a negative word to use. It's so simple, call it federalism
@hameltonnotlemah1913
@hameltonnotlemah1913 10 дней назад
No mention of Bristol, who had a mayor but was abolished in May 2024 in favour of a new committee system.
@einseitig3391
@einseitig3391 11 дней назад
The UK likes to think this is giving people a great say/control over local government but in reality it adds to the council tax giving mayors, like Sadiq Khan, the ability to increase their ‘precept’ by more than the fixed percentage cap. This country is over represented, with four governments; three of them devolved administrations and the fourth, the UK government. Plus local councils, county councils and their ilk. The Mayor of London has, in the past two years, increased the council tax to help fund a tube driver wage settlement of 8.4%, so called ‘free’ school meals and to freeze bus fares. Council tax payers are being fleeced to fund his pet projects. To really gain some control we need proportional representation not more and increasing bureaucracy.
@lemdixon01
@lemdixon01 11 дней назад
I like the chnnel and I like the name. It probably stands for Transport Leadership Dirigble Regulation
@ABDLLHSDDQI
@ABDLLHSDDQI 11 дней назад
I thought devolution referred to any drunk British male tourist visting the rest of Europe, thanks for clarifying this up.
@tortoisewarrior4855
@tortoisewarrior4855 11 дней назад
I wonder what are peoples opinions on unitary authorities vs county councils. Do people prefer one stronger federal authority or even more federalism with a wider county council with even smaller local councils to deal with smaller even more local issues.
@ryanberry1
@ryanberry1 10 дней назад
Quick note that although Bristol has a mayor at the moment, there was a referendum in 2022 which voted to remove the mayor at the end of his current term (2024)
@adamdaniel8909
@adamdaniel8909 11 дней назад
Map Men needs to update their old video...
@buurmeisje
@buurmeisje 11 дней назад
I think this is a great development
@hannahzukic3895
@hannahzukic3895 11 дней назад
- 3 new mayor areas were up for grabs in 2024 local elections - there will be 5 more next year - leads to better policy (catered to regional and people needs, eg greater manchester invested more into public transport B network) and better participation (mayors rated higher by regions > nation) - some mayors wanna ban whip system, so they’re better connected to MPs, especially to those in North
@stevo728822
@stevo728822 2 дня назад
A Labour government intend to accelerate this.
@ManGoatHamburger
@ManGoatHamburger 11 дней назад
I’m going to devolve myself.
@Aesirion
@Aesirion 6 дней назад
Conclusion: Hire Andy's for Mayor
@lukefleetwood7958
@lukefleetwood7958 11 дней назад
You just skipped over Sadiq Khan, who was more despised than liked according to your own data sheet. He represented 1/3 of the mayors shown so concluding that Mayors are liked doesn't seem very honest here.
@aaronsmith9209
@aaronsmith9209 9 дней назад
Would like to see devolution done in a more consistent way so regional inequality can be reduced. I think it’s a good thing overall but it shouldn’t just follow the existing counties. The counties are outdated and need reform too. Good to see the north getting a lot more attention but where I live (Hertfordshire) has just as low investment as many northern places and I don’t think it’ll change until the bigger reforms come about. I live in a town that is in reality in the fringes of London and it’s a bit forgotten about out here, would like to see a combined regional authority between London and the urban areas of the nearest counties, to at least cooperate on the biggest issues of transport and housing. It’s a bit different to the other regions but the biggest problems really need regional cooperation and the current local government system doesn’t seem to allow that. Will be interesting to see how the devolved authorities get on, Manchester has been great to watch.
@carlossaraiva8213
@carlossaraiva8213 4 дня назад
Also, devolved parlament for the Channel Islands too.
@wolfpack5849
@wolfpack5849 11 дней назад
it shouldn't be so complicated, everywhere should have the same level of local government
@TheCommonSensible
@TheCommonSensible 9 дней назад
Why? Because people in a large area and dense populations tend to get annoyed constantly being told what to do by a centralized government.
@revinhatol
@revinhatol 6 часов назад
What about the Highlands and Islands?
@BrianBest
@BrianBest 11 дней назад
Future future developments are so futuristic.
@kieranfrancke790
@kieranfrancke790 11 дней назад
For the American audience this is something like what happened when we were ratifying the constitution. This is basically federalism and it’s the Jefferson side where more power goes to the states and in this case metro areas.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 11 дней назад
We need a Swiss Model for Devolution of each Council!!!
@TheHabsification
@TheHabsification 9 дней назад
From the way it's going, this will lead to a county based federalism, which I am in favour of.
@aaronpaul9188
@aaronpaul9188 11 дней назад
This is a positive step, and good for them. It does not adequately address the West Lothian problem however. Either Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland should be devolved in a similar manner and their own parliaments and government dissolved, or there needs to be a uniquely english parliament alongside the UK Parliament in Westminster.
@JellyLancelot
@JellyLancelot 11 дней назад
Sounds like a good idea to me, the French have been doing this for a long time and its worked out well for them. Their towns and villages are immaculate. The locals know what they need more than anything and they get to have more guidance over that, it'll also help people feel more connected to their living areas as they have more control over spending within it.
@barbthegreat586
@barbthegreat586 7 дней назад
Some random thought: Tories funding considerably better councils, where they have majority; vast majority of good and well paid jobs are in Lindon and 75% of investment goes to London while London complains they have to earn for the whole country ...
@olafsigursons
@olafsigursons 11 дней назад
hooo, decentralization
@aaronjones8905
@aaronjones8905 11 дней назад
Federalism, subsidiary powers, and checks and balances are all in great need in the UK system.
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