Cho is the kind of person who wants to talk about her feelings and what bothers her. While Harry rather keeps stuff for himself. And since Cendric is the thing that bothers her the most, of course she's going to talk about him. What she did wrong was to compare Harry with Cendric and her other Ex's on Valentine's Day. But that isn't what disturbs you because that's not what you mentioned.
@@pando0884i mean if Harry was abit more nicer to her and actually explained what happened to Cedric im sure they could've had a nice date, and Cho wouldn't talk so much about cedric anymore. Cho only needed clarification for WHAT happened with Cedric as she's probably confused cos of the ministry and being claiming Dumbledore is a liar and stuff, but instead of harry helping her he messes it up by becoming angry. He didn't even bother apologising to her
Thats why she wanted to speak about it, because harry SAW WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENDED; and so all she wants is clarification and the truth of what happened. If harry actually told her nicely, she mightve been able to move on from cedric to harry fully.
@@abirchowdhury6377 yeah but maybe harry doesn't want to talk about the time he saw a classmate (friend) die right in front of him and then got to spend the rest of the evening being tortured, fighting for his life, and seeing the ghost echoes of his parents and said classmate all before being taken away by the guy who set him up for the tournament which allowed him to get kidnapped to the place his classmate died and he was tortured in the first place who then tried to kill him again. maybe harry doesn't want to talk about one of the most traumatic nights of his life.
I mean Harry technically died at the end before choosing life again so maybe she couldn’t tell the difference between Harry and Cedric because she can see the fture
@@Average_Book_Enjoyer if she can see the future and he and cedric both technically die/died, maybe her mind couldn't separate the two and she used harry as a cedric wannabe/replacement. IT WAS A TWO AM THOUGHT DON'T YELL AT ME PLEASE thx
Cedric was killed so quickly he didn't have time to wax poetic about the chick he was smashing. He did posthumously request Harry bring his body back to his parents. Now that's a good boy.
“I’m curious what I ever did to make you think I would enjoy a place like this, ‘cause I just want to make sure I never do it again” is a phrase pulled from deep in my soul
I mean Harry could have also talked with Cho so they could plan a date where they did something they both enjoyed. As far as I can tell Cho isn’t a mind reader who can instantly figure out what Harry would and wouldn’t like to do. Harry not speaking up and telling Cho that might not enjoy having tea at an extremely frilly place is on him and him alone.
@@morganyoung3557Doesn’t take a mind reader to not take you current date to your dead ex’s favorite spot as a first date. But who knows… I mean Harry bad Harry stupid Harry don’t communicate goods.
@@cubone44 I hardly think Harry is bad or stupid, the guy is one of my top three favorite characters. I just think that he could have been better at communicating with Cho and planned a date around something that they would both enjoy.
Cho’s like “my boyfriend died harry why can’t you pity me” and harry is like “I was the one who had to watch the life drain out of his eyes as he was brutally murdered while the man that had been trying to kill me since I was a baby was fully resurrected and I was utterly helpless”
Man, that conversation is so satisfying knowing how their relationship turned out to be and if this conversation happened between them then still Ginny would've been married to Harry because books Ginny is a savage😂
@@nadiarey4196 maybe you didn't read the books patiently, Harry liked Cho way before she was with Cedric and was utterly heartbroken when he found out that they are dating. Harry was shattered watching Cedric die in front of his eyes and surrounded by a fully resurrected Voldemort and a bunch of his death eater he still kept his word to the ghost of Cedric to bring his body back. He never pounced on the opportunity that Cho's single but she came up to him to grieve together but Harry had no time to console her as he was surrounded by conspiracies, plots and Voldemort's impending attack on him. Maybe it would have been different if he was free of his burden but Cho showed that she wanted all of Harry's attention and affection for herself which Ginny never did, even knowing that Harry is starting on a path that would lead to his death she smiled at him and said her goodbye.
Can you even imagine, how much the energy in that graveyard would change? Instantly everyone is extremely uncomfortable. Just instant and irreversible mood shift. Harry comes back in a state of muffled shock trying to figure out how he's even supposed to feel about this. Voldemort is planning to Obliviate the entire experience from his mind.
@@lucyk2634 No, because the conversation was utterly lacking in empathy for what Harry had gone through, and she picked the worse possible time and place to have it. I have never thought badly of Cho for her breakdowns, I liked her better for them. But struggling with emotions isn't justification for not trying to understand other people's emotions. Lack of experience is a justification though, and one that teenagers absolutely have a right to. Once she's older and more experience in human relationships I do think Cho (and Harry too, tbh) would be embarrassed at how badly that conversation was mishandled. That's why I said "twenty years later" and not "the very next day". Actually she and Harry handled their relationship extremely poorly. It didn't help that what they needed at the time was very different, and neither of them understood what the other needed enough to even try to give it to them. Cho had been dealing with a crippling lack of closure, and Harry desperately wanted a break from it all. In truth, they should have had a talk about what happened long before they went on a date (I believe it was mostly Harry's fault they didn't. He avoided her for the first half of that book didn't he?). Harry had the means to give her closure. And had they had that talk, Cho might have understood how much Harry just needed a moment of levity in his life to just let go of all the things plaguing him. I think they'll both look back on it as a very awkward moment in their life as they mature and realise just how little effort they made to understand the person they were trying to date. The reason I think it would be embarrassing to look back on is because with just a bit more forethought and a little less self-centredness it could have gone much smoother. I cringe at remembering moments from my teenage years that at the time I thought were perfectly normal, let alone situations like this where everything went wrong. Hopefully it was a learning experience for any relationships, romantic and not, they would have in the future and take it as a lesson on the importance of taking the time to communicate properly and pay attention to the other person.
@@lucyk2634 no embarrassed because she treated Harry horribly, had no empathy herself, was a jealous fool (remember her reaction to the Hermione thing, how she developed a hatred for Hermione), and it was the stupidest question to ask. The killing curse is instant death and Cho isn’t the most important thing to Cedric, his parents are rightfully so more important
You know what, as a therapist and school counselor myself, I always thought the same! I mean, who does take emotional care of 11 years old, pre-teens and teens who get isolated from the rest of the world for most of these 7 years that are crucial to their development? Who does help them through the struggles of missing home, becoming more independent, going through puberty, discovering their sexuality, building their own identity, working through the typical fears and existential questions of that age, coping with the fact that they are in a golden cage where you are screwed if you don't get along because you literally don't have anything and anyone else? The professors? Filch? Madame Pomfrey? Hello McGonagall, may I apply for next school year?
Exactly!!!That's what I am always saying! People are like:Cho is wonderful,you don't have read if you say the opposite.I read the books but I didn't like her behavior towards Harry when they were dating.
Harry wishing Death Eaters would attack to get him out of Madame Puddifoots so he could burn it down is something that never fails to make me laugh. Like this tea shop is the real enemy. Forget Voldemort.
Cho started crying, Harry reached across the table to grab her hand, she pulled away, and Harry reached for his drink to recover from that denial. Harry: “Can we not talk about Cedric?” Cho: “I thought you’d WANT to talk about Cedric!”
Harry always tried to avoid talking about his feelings and what worried him, isolating himself. Cho wanted to express how she felt and to talk about it. They didn't understand each other
@@pal17181I mean... putting it like that makes her seem more reasonable. But no. The girl was an emotional wreck that kept weirdly projecting her feelings towards her dead ex-boyfriend onto her current boyfriend who was also still not really over the other guys death. Being open about your feelings means nothing when you still can't work through them.
@@pal17181nah, don't try to redeem cho with some weird mushy gaslight She wasn't trynna talk about her feelings She was trynna talk about CEDRIC, ya doof
@@bryancross8068well…yeah…seeing as Cedric’s DEATH was the reason Cho was experiencing all those feelings I’d think he’d come up a few times in conversation…
Harry didnt deserve the nightmare that was that valentines date. Yeah he made some mistakes, but Cho should have maybe realized that watching Cedric be murdered maybe isn't a memory Harry would like to relive. Cho probably should have gone for a guy who didn't witness the murder of her last bf
She was very cruel to him and he tryed so hard. The worst was in the room of requirement and he kissed her and she starts crying and talking about Cedric it was creepy. No one could save that. But it lead yo the best explanation of the female to male brain and my favorite line from Ron being no one could think all that it would drive you crazy or make you go mad. Lol
@@rachelcrawford1977 No. the entire HP series should not be taken as an explanation for female brains. JK Rowling HATED feminine women, that’s why she made Cho act so odd and Hermione the “main tomboy girl who hangs with boys”. JK Rowling is a horrible person.
Cho was just with Harry because she thought they both could cry about Cedric and because she didn't wanted to be alone. Harry genuinely liked her and wanted to date her and really tried hard to help her while doing so and all she did was wining, crying and blaming Harry for not behaving perfectly. She was unnecessarily jealous as well. God I hate how she treated him.
I kind of hate how he treated her. At one point he makes fun of her for crying. Another time after they break up, he's excited to hear that Cho lost at quidditch and asks if she cried about it. Cho wants to talk about Cedric Harry says that he does talk to Ron and Hermoine about it. Not only is he basically saying that he values his mates more than his girlfriend this is a lie. He doesn't talk about it. It would be good for him to discuss this with Cho. Also, Harry is just stupid. Cho is mildly jealous of Hermoine, and instead of clearing this up, he says Cho is crazy for being jealous and lets things escalate. Also, who cuts their first date short to hang out with a friend they already see daily? I never got the feeling that Harry valued Cho. He didn't care much when they broke up. As a guy reading this, I can't help but think that Harry is just a bad boyfriend. What Cho did was wrong, but Harry made her feel even worse than she already felt.
@@nanoff815 you’re kinda forgetting the trauma that Harry went through the year before, and the fact she put herself before him all the time. He went through a lot that year, and he was angry at a lot of people. I’m not excusing and saying he SHOULD have done it but it just makes sense because of how Cho treated him that he got angry at her afterward and got a little spiteful. We are all humans to be fair.
@@mcduckthechicken7030 Fair enough but before this date Hermione literally told him how conflicted and sad Cho was and gave a girls to boys translation. Harry is aware of the conflict in her heart and I think he should have been more sympathetic/empathetic. I don't think this is a narrative flaw by the way.
@@nanoff815 How conflicted and sad Cho was? Was she the one who had to watch Cedric die? Was she the one getting slandered all over wizarding Britian? No. No she wasn't. She thought bringing up her dead ex to the boy who watched him die was a good idea whilst they were on a date and has the audacity to get mad at him for bringing up Hermione? I understand the girl had a lot of questions and was still grieving, but the way she treated Harry was completely stupid. Harry tried to comfort her, he tried to change the subject because thr subject seemed to make her sad. If anything she was being completely cruel to Harry and was being pretty much the opposite of empathetic.
when I was reading this scene in the book, let me tell you that midway through the convo I had to close the book shut and let myself cope with the embarrassment for 5 minutes before I was able to continue reading 💀
Exactly! I hate how people hate her because she was struggling. Even Hermione explained why Cho was struggling so much. She was a teenage girl who had just lost her boyfriend. People need to chill. But sadly, people love to be play judge.
@@jollyquinn430 The things is, regardless of her struggling, it still doesn't make it right. Yeah we can understand, but we can also understand when something just isn't excusable or justifiable.
Like “did Cedric say anything about me” is the kind of thing you /really shouldn’t say out loud/ but of course she’s going to think about it, and 16 year olds generally have poor brain-mouth filters. And yeah, kind of feel bad for her because while /of course/ he didn’t say anything when he died, we know that he actually did have an opportunity to communicate his last wishes to Harry and didn’t think of her so….I mean he was 17 and they hadn’t been together very long but still. Sucks to find out that you cared more than your partner did. If she’d been dying she probably would have thought of him and finding out that he didn’t….would hurt. I always kind of thought Harry was actually trying to spare her from that like, yeah, the audacity, but also he knows for a fact that she didn’t come up in Cedric’s dying wishes and she doesn’t need to know that it will just hurt her more. At least he did that right.
@@user-xm5ry2ld1j Well Cedric was thinking about his parents because he knew they would feel the worst of it. From my understanding, he was an only child so his parents finding out that their only child is dead would rock their whole world. So, of course he would only talk to Harry about bringing his body back to his parents before thinking of his girlfriend. It doesn't mean he wasn't thinking or didn't care about Cho, it just means he prioritized his parents first. And I can't blame him for that.
Months ago a guy died. A second guy that was there when he died is now dating the dead guy's girlfriend. This girl often cries about her dead boyfriend when her new one is around. Hogwarts needs a therapist ASAP.
Given how bad some therapists can be, they'd either make Hogwarts kids worse, or we're already looking at the results of a whole staff of school's therapists. Heck, Snape might be a licensed muggle therapist.
I'm so glad Ravenclaws got Luna later because having CHO represent us in the beginning was EMBARRASSING. I understand she's traumatized, but maybe Don't Date Till You're OK Again. She didn't need a boyfriend at the time, she needed a damn therapist
@Holly J she was 15. I cut teens a lot of slack because they are constantly learning from their experiences. This is the beauty of a colorful life. Luna will always be cooler though :)
I feel bad for both of them Cho needs therapy that she’s not getting she needs closure she’s not getting. But Harry has talked about Cedric with his friends people he knows better, he doesn’t want to talk about him anymore he wants to learn about Cho and have a nice time on his first date.
This Convo made their break up understandable and okay to me. In the movies, they just made her "snitch", made Harry ditch her without even listening to her, finding out she was drugged with verita-serum and didn't talk to her or apologize anyway. Made me feel sorry for movie Cho and sad for the break up, while the book-break up was just legit and logical.
Look, I understand a 16/17 year old girl whose boyfriend died wondering if, like, his last words were her name or something but Harry's traumatised too, Cho. Jeez this scene is uncomfortable in the book. 😬
I think she DID think about it, I think that´s why she hoped to get a conection... 1. Because she wanted closure and 2. I think she asumed Harry felt the same way about Cedrics death... She probably just failed to realize that Harry didn´t deal with death the same way she did She probably intentionally or unintantionally searched for somebody to share her feelings with and talk about Cedrics death... The problem was: Harry didn´t want to talk about it and she didn´t understand that...
As a stressed-out fifteen year old boy… I think Harry kinda did okay at holding it together. He more or less remembered words, at least. Now, I’m gonna go make cookies with my Hufflepuff wife.
What if Cedric secretly didn't like it but went there with Cho because Cho liked it and he liked her? I think that would be something he would do, or he just genuinely enjoyed it, idk.
That’s exactly what he did. I don’t care what anyone else says. Tbh I’m surprised so many people didn’t pick up this subtlety. The fact she is only thinking of herself while she’s with Harry hints at this too. Because people don’t suddenly change their behavior and personality. It’s likely that Cedric was a people pleaser (that is how he’s shown to be) and that he was the same way with Cho.
I believe that's what happened. Cedirc seemed to be a kind person who would put others before him, especially if he cared abt them (just as he did trying to protect Harry, even if they weren't exactly friends). Cho was always so selfish and that hints at the fact Cedirc would do anything she wanted just to see her happy because he liked her. That is why I'm so thankful we got Luna as a representative afterwards, because it shows how much variety in the personality trait there is from a Ravenclaw to another without taking out the unhinged part that makes us a claw
@@inestabilidad Cedric didn't especially care about Harry...he didn't know him at all. He was chivalrous, and protecting Harry because it was the right thing to do. The entire series is about Harry protecting strangers, but Harry is the farther thing from a people pleaser. Maybe Cho and Cedric dating for so long because they liked the same things. Harry and Cho's biggest problem is not that Cho is selfish...it's that they process grief in completely different ways. Cho's way of dealing is to talk about it AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. Knowing the facts of how Cedric died helps her. The uncertainty kills her. Harry bottles that shit up TIGHTLY and that helps him keep going. Cho wears her emotions on her sleeve. It's through this relationship Harry finds out what trait he DOES NOT want in a girlfriend. This is contrasted with Ginny later on, where she isn't emotional and doesn't cry easily when things get difficult, which Harry very much appreciates.
“Did Cedric say something about me before he died?” Cedric: “Did you know the cup was a port key?” “Wands out, do’you reckon?” “Someone’s coming.” “Cho was the best gf in the whole world. Her smile rose the skies. Her eyes like diamonds. She flew better than anyone I ever knew, she was truly the best. She always wants there if I needed to talk to someone. She is the most perfect being to ever exist. Oh yeah- take my body back to my parents, will you Harry?”
I think the fact that Cho had such a hard time getting over him, and his father breaking down like that, even Krum was in mourning; Feels like Cedric was probably the best guy ever
This convo really just shows that perhaps two grieving people, especially two grieving teenagers who are already confused and traumatized enough as it is, definitely should not be dating each other. Neither of them could handle this relationship, hell, most adults wouldn’t be able to handle it. There were way too many minefields and it required someone emotionally mature to navigate it, which neither Cho nor Harry should be expected to do given their age. There definitely should have been an adult around to help them.
Bro was kinda dying and was mainly concentrating on his poor father who would of course be horrified to not only hear that his son as dead but that his body was lost in that graveyard. I'm sure he loved Cho but in this case, family most certainly came first.
I never understood why Cho even dated Harry it was like every time all she wanted was to ask about Cedric and how he died the thing Harry never wanted to talk about again.
@@carolinpurayidom4570 you know considering how some people like to give cho the trait of being someone emotionally intelligent, she sure was dumb for that choice.
Honestly i think it would have been less of an issue if she didn't "date" him and just invited him to have coffee somewhere not so pink and lacey. Honestly the fact that she specifically made it a valentines date made it worse.
Your version of the scenes between Harry and his “girlfriends” not even with Cho they were in the talking stage, Ginny well, complicated they were on and off, are so much better
Cho was grieving and couldn’t see/understand how traumatized Harry was. It’s sad, but it was best they didn’t stay together. I don’t think they wrote her well in the movies.
It was a surprisingly realistic Problematic Teen Couple™ I was actually kind of impressed with their writing in the book specifically _because_ it came out exactly as it was intended, compared to Rowling's track history with romance. I'm kinda on that side that loves HP but dislikes Rowling and has a lot of critiques about the series in general lol
Love that she got offended when he didn't want to recount Cedric's dying moments, went all possessive jealous girlfriend because he mentioned the girl he'd been friends with for years, and repeatedly brought up her now-dead ex all in one date, yet she was mad at HARRY for dipping.
@@Goo_S_ee I've even seen people defending her saying "Well, she's just looking for closure from Harry because she can't deal with losing Cedric!" But like, what about HARRY? Poor guy had to WATCH Cedric be murdered, then deal with Cho begging him to remember and talk about it.
@@Goo_S_ee Right. And then you add in Cho being needlessly jealous about Harry hanging out with Hermione, who had been one of his best friends for almost five years at that point, then her bringing up "Well Cedric did this, Cedric liked that", and you can really get why he'd blow up at her.
It was litterally the worst possible thing to say at that date 😅 Her question showed Harry not only that she wasn't over Cedric at all and still dating him, it also triggered Harrys own trauma from Cedrics death. Cho used Harry to get over Cedric. And nothing more.
This is why I love Harry Potter so much. Everyone is just a messy regular teenager with the same heartbreak stuff. In Marvel, the characters are ALWAYS put together, always know how to say the right thing. But in Harry Potter, he's a hero but he's also a clueless kid trying to figure out life with his friends. This part I feel is the real magic in Harry Potter.
I imagine this scenario once Cedric was a ghost asking Harry to bring his body back. “Take my body back to Cho so I can see us get intimate one last time. Otherwise she’ll as if I thought about her.”
As a young widow dipping my toes into the dating scene again, I kinda get Cho. She's asking him those questions because she needs closure. She's a teenager and these are really difficult feelings to process even for an adult so you could see why She's so self absorbed in her own grief not realizing Harry is also having a hard time. If Cho were a real person, it would take her years of therapy to get over that. Cedric was her perfect man. She'll probably go through a couple more boyfriends and compare them to Cedric all the time.
I was thinking along these lines as well... these are traumatized teens without any emotionally stable role models... they both did better than I would expect of kids under those horrific circumstances
Copypasting for simplicity: In her defense, she knew and was grieving the guy. Harry probably shouldn't have pounced at the opportunity like it was a case of "she's now single!"
Yeah it's not a pretty picture, but she's 15 and grieving and in high school. It's not like she's got the wisdom of the old nursing home lady whose husband dies peacefully in his sleep
I always expected Cho to be smarter than asking questions like this.. she's a goddamn Ravenclaw for Merlin's sake! Guess it just goes to show, intelligence and empathy are two very different things..
