Why Did Deepwoken Succeed Where Rogue Lineage Failed? 

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I think the main reasons are really just the update schedule and rogue being a lot less forgiving to newer players who don't already know all the tricks and aren't progressing with a group of friends

Bro was supposed to talk how deep succeeded over rogue and ended up glazing rogue over deep 😭

7:45 is when the rogue glazing starts btw

rose tinted glasses ahh video everything he said can be summed up in "it felt better back then"

Love the vid the reason I don’t play rogue anymore is that it’s impossible to prog without being boosted or having a big group of big buff men who help you when you get jumped and I hate the weirdos that jump freshies

Like two takes in this video were reasonable, the rest of this video was entirely fueled by nostalgia. The two takes i will agree with are the tundra being superier to layer 2, and rogue lineage having poor pve. First off, deepwoken is a pve game, any poll that questions the majority of the playerbase on whether they prefer pve content over pvp comes out overwhelmingly as pve. The game just looks like a pvp game because all of the pve content is too dry to make videos on. Tha majority of players would not intereact with pvp if they were not forced to, this is why games like bloxfruits that have private servers that allow people to progress without seeing anyone are massively successful compared to rogue lineage, and why rogue lineage’s highst numbers have never come close to deepwokens lowest. Rogue lineages lore is nonexistant. All anything anyone knows about rogue lineages lore comes from unnoficial youtube videos. The only interaction you get from food vendors is being able to ask them about eachother. You used the example of lance leshi, but you left out the entire quest you can do for lance leshi’s brother to try to learn his name, which is alluded to from an ingame book. And that is one example, for two npcs, that isnt even touching on the rest of the worldbuilding that is actually discoverable in game. Deepwoken may have piss poor mediocre world design, but it is a master class in storytelling and exploration, if you are willing to put in the work and pick up a book. (Which isnt hard there are multiple libraries in game) Another point i would like to make is that a media ban would not have done anything. It worked for rogue lineage because it was a tiny game compared to deepwoken, when the media ban was in place rogue was seeing about 500 players at any given moment, and thats without touching general roblox culture, when rogue lineage first released exploiting was way smaller, and way less known about by the general playerbase, expecially compared to deepwokens release, which also saw tens of thousands of players on the game. Deepwoken was an exponentially larger game than rogue lineage on release, even if there was a media ban there would be channels like key exploits that would just use exploits to constantly drop deepwoken info to chase clout. Final point i would like to make is that rogue lineage was a pay to win game, there is no comparison between common races like riggan and castellen to the rare races like dinakeri and djjin, and even when you were going through your progression you needed 5 burner accounts (with the right races on each of them) just to progress your character. And thats after the tomeless buff, it used to be 8 diferent races for tomeless. Early rogue lineage was a magical time, i played back when the community thought that scrooms took 2x dmg, but this entire video is just a nostalgia rant about missing the good old days. Deepwoken has more player than rogue lineage because it is a better game in every measurable form, and because at the end of the day its playable by your average player. Rogue lineage isnt playable.

i believe its cause rogue lineage was way too focused on pvp cause it was mainly just targetted towards a certain audience, but deepwoken is pve/pvp so more players took interest into the game (also its probably cause of the update schedule)

Personally, I believe the main reason Deep has more players is that it gives you room to learn while still being difficult. Not a lot of people mention this, as they have gotten better, but in a begginer's eyes, Deepwoken is a hard game, but the (mostly) nice and helpful community, the forgiving system and the decently good tutorial allow it to remain begginer friendly (this is also why I think limiting voidwalkers would help the game, as they are the most begginer unfriendly part of Deepwoken). On the other hand, in Rogue, you get no tutorial, the system is unforgiving and the community is so toxic that it matches COD (more than once, people didn't even grip after they knocked me, they just held me until I ragequit, I even had a f#cking conversation with one of these people who explained to me that this was his only source of joy, not to mention the main way people get money is through robbing noobs), which makes it so no new players can join the game, and as people quit without new players joining, the devs get less motivated to improve the game, making even more people quit.

I personally feel like ignoring rogue lineage where you basically cant get lives back, once you pick a class (basically attunement from deepwoken for people who haven't played rogue lineage) you can't branch off with another, and another note on classes they are specfically basic super and uber tiers of classes. Attunements in general have more customizability, dual attunement, triple attunement, and quad attunement are used decently often Deepwoken has paths for attunements that can change the main function of it (such as frostdraw chilling/freezing enemies but then later when you get to 40 frostdraw you can get the crystallization path which removes the chilling and freezing of enemies for higher damage output) and dual attunement mantras/paths also exist (Twisted Puppets path from flame and shadowcast) Edit: i forgot about ultra classes being in the middle of basic and uber tier classes in rogue lineages and also fuck edicts, oaths are 90x better

Its SO FUN when ultras grip you for no reason as a freshie rouge players are not real people

tbh deepwoken showed the player alot more than rogue lineage it having several npcs around the map which gives you clues on how to start + a optional tutorial gives it a better start compared to rogue meanwhile rogue is more confusing to progress and you’ll have to go to the wiki just to even know how to play the game that + every other player is OP and will freshies on sight due makes it impossible to progress without being carried

As someone who bought rogue 4 years ago and still hasn’t gotten a single chaotic ultra class, the memories are still cool and I play it more recently just to prog and it seems like it’s gotten somewhat better, but deepwoken has more of a charm for me since it’s not so hardcore but gives me something to watch out for.

Tbf at 9:50 control of oceans is a very strong thing economically which can greatly help out seen when portugal had control of Indian Ocean Trade

lowkey rogue seemed fun in its prime, I got akuma a good while ago but I got jumped by a bunch of ultra classes and wiped /: the only thing I would give rogue over deepwoken is that builds are way less complex while with deepwoken you literally cannot PvP or do chime without some ultra specific build

I feel like Rogue Lineage is timeless. Not necessarily within updates, but purely because of the game design. The power spikes between base, super, ultra and uber is steep. However, the reward you get from transitioning through each one was more then rewarding This also adds onto the difficulty. Making the game mainly PVP and making PVE harder to progress with makes the game something you can't just one and done. The need to get stronger and the fun you had playing with friends made Rogue what it was, and when it was updating frequently, it was addicting Deepwoken hasn't fully gotten this down yet. Once you max out in Deepwoken, that's it. There's no conquest, ganks don't give you anything to work towards like leviathan brand or tomeless, or money, or things that held value. And ontop of that, the thrill of only having 3 lives is removed when you can escape depths and you're back to "3 lives." I don't know. I've had alot of fun on both games, but I definitely believe that Rogue Lineage succeeded more then Deepwoken currently.

The reason being deep woken is far more forgiving and lets face it deepwoken gets updates and rouge doesn't and ill admit rouges progression is quite painful at times also deepwoken ones up rouge by replay ability

One thing I like about rogue is that pretty much any build you make will be viable in pvp, (as long as you have the required things like tomeless and helmet) Whereas deep, I just don’t like how complicated it is to make a build, this is just my personal taste but I just wanna jump in and have fun progressing, not spend 20 minutes compiling a stat board and a list of talents and mantras

It’s because deepwoken has crescent relief and rouge lineage doesn’t

Forgot about the part of how rouge gives you PTSD from flinbvlurder.

Honestly came into this video expecting to hate it but you had some good takes. I do agree rogue was never meant to survive but honestly (as of right now atleast) its still around 1.5k-2k players which its held steady over the years. Rogues player base it genuinely the most dedicated set of players I've ever seen and will probably continue to play it for a long while. For me, I do come back and play it every now and then and the game is still fun honestly (despite the macros), personally I think the appeal of the game is the 1 combos and high speed combat but I also understand that it turns a lot of people away from the game (along with its progression system). Tbh I think if it came out today with a few more classes it would hold up to deep but thats probably my rogue bias honestly. Either way love deep still love rogue (yes I think rogue is better) and its cool to see someone talk about rogue reasonable instead of a jagged lens from years of playing

I tried to give rogue lineage a second chance doing really well finding an azael horn being able to boost others. Then being banned from the anti cheat because rogue is glitched atm with no appeal and told get it back because azael and healer isn't rare.

you're missing the biggest factor between both games deepwoken is just a better quality game overall even from verse 1 it was the highest quality game on roblox everything from the soundtrack to the combat the attunements the bosses the depths layer 2 the lore etc etc etc then you compare it to rogue and it just feels like an empty game with no sense of direction yes it was very fun and high quality for roblox standards at that time but it doesn't compare to what deepwoken has today not by a long shot edit: this video feels more like "ROGUE BETTER DEEPWOKEN SUCK IT TOO EASY" it's just rose tinted glasses and nostalgia when you look back on rogue in it's prime it makes me want to go back sometimes to play with my old friends and to compare deep to rogue is just not a fair comparison as there is one that is objectively better than the other due to a million factors while the other game is just full of ogs who just want to relive their memories and wont move on from that game

Rogue was extremely flawed but I met amazing and cool people that I talk to this day in rogue

Reacounter just so you know I can still green you in rogue and I still have that Morvid faceless healer for you

Honestly Grimmkind has made rogue a walk in the park compared to even a few months ago. Trinkets sell for even more, you can get mana run/climb day 0 and dash on day 1. Mana punching now trains your mana, so one round a zombie scrooms is enough for max mana training. Even PD’s are only a uncommon find nowadays (walked in castle sanc one time and 2 pds were just sitting next to eachother) All im gonna say is that solo progressing a chaotic class is nigh impossible with how the player base is. Most of the freshies you will kill for your grips have no issue in spinning back on a snap gate snap hoppa ultra druid. Compare this to orderly classes where you could reasonably get meditate in about 6-7 hours of play time from daily quests, mainly because days are only 30 minutes now and the repeatables are easy as hell

I was FR hoping DW was a better RL but now its just straight handholding I do wish it was more of a community game like how the new weapons/oaths came out where everyone banded together to figure stuff out

On the subject of maps, I feel like people overlook how important it is to a game. Games like Rogue Lineage and Verdant Moon stand out to me because of the atmosphere created by their maps.

Rouge lineage has extremely fast pvp combat which makes me wanna play rouge but taking heavy fall damage breaks my leg and I get jumped randomly from max levls and dont actually any prog done.

I wish I played rouge but back then I didn’t have a laptop I got it like 2 months before deep dropped but deep prolly one of most fun games I’ve played I got so many funny memories just exploring the game with friend like once we were in mini and he got one tapped by the mech cause I told him to fight it for a katana

Just by looking at the footage of rouge lineage i find 1 not rly noticable problem and its that the map is not rly scaled to the player mobility like sure some places are massive for this speed but some like the bridges look extremely small which can cause a lot of trouble for someone fighting there and falling off while in deep the movement without jetstriker or mantras is pretty generic enough to not walk 30 min a simple path but not to be barely able to walk with double click falling into the water

can you wipe that first build you showed in chime, unconteur? Please and thank you 🥰

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Suprised you didn't talk about rogue lineage races and their buffs compared to deepwoken

I think its because rogue didnt have any weird or strict npcs and no doors you have to open, souls to type something about and battle arenas to fight in, and guts with Blackpowder or any rng ingame but deep had a few

When you talked about fungzy gati he’s the last actual player that doesn’t macro

Every stat peaks at 25 except weapons and elemental.

For me i only picked deepwoken cuz of graphics and visuals

i wish arch and rag realize rogue isnt a bad game and work on it again

yk i feel like they should make the rouge lineage wiki a bit more helpful.

yes, my goat, i agree with your opinion, my lord king master

I remember a couple months ago me and my friends bought rogue, those moments reminded me of when I first got deep, me and my friends were just tryna find out how to do stuff and get our classes. I went for monk to get dragon sage since I played allusions back then and dragon sage was one of my favorite items, however didn’t manage to get it before we hopped off. Haven’t been on since, but I might hop back on to try to get my class or wipe and go for Uber oni since that looks interesting.

Luv u man

to be honest they both failed on not adding ambrosia

bro has the same exact music taste as me LOL

i hope they are gonna do a datawipe on roguelineage so i can play again

this is what ive been saying dude, my friend keeps yapping abt how its wayyy better than deepwoken n shit but I joined the game and looked at the map for one second and I already left bruh

I always put on your vids during mommy-son-milky time. Luv your content Recauntie!

I always saw Deepwoken as Rouge Lineage 2, honestly.

i solo rogue and i get my ultra in about 4-5 days no boost (Thats 2-2:30 hours) That sounds like a skill issue 5:30

Alrighty you forgot getting jumped at “Slope” in the depths and being forced to drop any deep gems or enchant you may have had

48 secs 1 view i tickle my pickle to angry birds

i feel like mini stun combat kinda js makes people macro for harder comboes and also makes it over all feel kinda unfair when your m1s are untrue but that guy over there has true m1s even though you are both freshies (which is also an issue blox fruits has by the way...)

what do you have against true stun like smash is true stun but its not baby garbage.

In my opinion it's: Build variety Better pvp Better progging methods Oaths are overall a better idea than classes because almostball oaths are good in pvp You don't have to pay to get something (example: a class) Bosses Ideas And variety of weapons

Eclipse was right. We need casual chime (I suck😭)

In my opinion only succeeded because it kept getting updated when rogue wasn’t

Deepwoken is more of a casual game than rogue. I've never played Rogue but as someone who's doing a documentary about Deepwoken, i learned alot. It is true, aslong as you're smart about it, getting wiped in Deepwoken is technically impossible. Eventually you will but it's much much harder. But it still gives something for new players (like me) to watch out, and even the end game players have to be careful, because not all of them are god like in game, and PVP is still a thing.

He is officially unc status

bro i have the exact same fit as the one in 1:30.... EVEN THE HAIR DAWG

Honestly, its mainly just because rogue isnt playable solo. Trust me, i try. A lot. Its just not viable.

I like deepwoken but i love rogue lineage due to 1 thing and thats the stat system and the talents. If you want to play on a comp level you have to kiss a handfull of builds and not stray from them or you loose unless your a godsweat.

bro said 2-3 hours for max gaian armor😭

permadeath games fun should be in the prog not the pvp. the pvp should be an endgame activity, not the goal.

honnestly imo the main reason why is just because of how different the games are, like for example rogue lineage is a completely new concept for roblox, with pvp progression, totally unique compared to other games. Meanwhile deepwoken has only gotten easier and easier since the games release, has bandit beater progression, where pvp is almost optional. i think rogue lineage will average between 500-2000 players for the next 1 or so years because of this though, since it’s the only popular game like this on the platform it retains most of its old players and even some new players. i think it’s wrong to say the reason why this is is because one game is “better” they both just appeal to the types of games certain people might like

In deepwoken u can wipe like me i was going to light Hook out cuz od note food i ragdol and get floor 2 then i didnt get food and wipe

I truly wish to see a rogue lineage remaster or a rogue lineage 2. I think rogue as a concept has way more potential than a game like deepwoken which is just less creative as a whole as it’s a basic rpg with perma death thrown in. Deepwoken was definitely made to make money and rogue was made out of passion. Rogues world is so much more interesting but the game suffers from being old and from the devs lacking from experience when creating it. While deepwoken is definitely not a bad game it was by far one of the biggest disappointment I have ever seen. It doesn’t have the life and soul that rogue had. I wish they remade rogue with into a higher quality game and added similar pve to deepwoken will still having the same feeling rogue had.

8:13 i tried to increase my rep with etris as a voidwalker

I hope the devs finds learn from the mistakes and benefits for cursed gear

who is mnogodetky and why are they in the description bro

8:47 That's kind of the point? The world of Deepwoken is dying, if you read the description of the game you would have known that.

getting silver is not even close to the hardest thing about progressing in rogue its most definitely getting grips even if you want to say optimized efficient like a scroom alt it will still take longer to get the grips than it will to get the silver as a lapradist. unless dinakeri

It’s like Boring ahh gameplay and endgame or way to difficult progression (but still somehow fun ) gameplay and a fun endgame

solo progressing without alt farming was so impossible in rogue re evolu got an exclusive race for it

ngl im only 3 minutes into the video cause im too lazy to watch all of it but i think its pretty simple: 1: rogue lineage feels more like a closed community game, and deepwoken is much more accessible to a lot more of the playerbase because of that 2: learning the game is very difficult to play solo and literally everyone plays with a friend or a house 3: the combat is like 10x harder to learn than the game, even if you think you got used to it there are techs that change the combat completely and require good muscle memory to be used every time u need it 4: the game lives on very little updates because the ganking is addicting to the people that enjoy it, including me 5. if i had to say either of the 2 games failed it would be deepwoken easily because of how tight knit rogue's community is and how deepwoken just seems harder to look at every update (i still miss the first 3 months of deepwoken)

Ice dragon is killable normally Your supposed to lure the dragon into the pillar(its kinda buggy tho but it works)

the thing is that deepwoken dropping effectively killed rogue lineage because most of the rogue players switched to deepwoken when it dropped unless they were a perma freshie because htey were finally able to get ultras with ez and no life's because they spent so much time making builds and stuff it'd be a waste to switch

Bro how are you sick in like every upload?

This video feels like a rant

I love this guy.

Deepwoken is just outright a newer and better game

I think that you may be biased about rogue lineage to some degree, just because of the nostalgia. Still a good vid, keep up the good work.

the only reason people like rogue at all is because despite having a horrible new player experience for most those who stuck around are the people who actually enjoyed learning everything and trying stuff out. once that fades away people just stick around because of sunken cost fallacy. deepwoken at least has decent gameplay even after you do it once

I love the fact that Tank Fish called Rogue Lineage harder than Dark Souls

I'm not gonna lie, in a game with lots of lives, rogue lineage sanity wont be that bad in deepwoken as long as they remove it from layer 2

Rogue lineage feels like it doesn’t want you to play it, like it was to box you just for clicking the play button 😭

Lmfao dawg this is just a Rogue player talking about his nostalgia fueled days 😭😭😭

bro rogue lineage didnt fail it was genuinely massive for its time its just an old game

PvP progression thats why, PvP only is boring PvE and lore is better. Deepwoken would be better with optional PvP.

we're really gonna glaze rogue lineage combat as mini stun combat, when in reality almost every class had true combos with the best classes having ultra high movement speed and 1 shot macros. the only real take in this video was that rogue lineage had a better map than deepwoken, but not because the map was good or interesting, but because it fit the general gank culture of the game adding a lot of verticality to fights. Everything else is essentially fueled by nostalgia.

enjoyable video

You say that's it not hard to get out depths witch like the trial is easy but for me I have to go through like 6 mobs on a freashie getting jumped with mudskipper brutes 24 7 I hate mudskipper brute Lords 😡

Rogue rn is at 1k, people are playing, and it has never been easier to progress the only thing really making progress hard nowadays, is annoying ultras wanting to kill you. Yes I've solo progged in modern rogue, it aint that bad but ya rogue prime > deep prime

yo reaconteur should i fullport $ARYAN im ready to win it all

TL:DW: Rogue Lineage is Demon Souls and Deepwoken is Dark Souls/Elden Ring

why is bro showing a clip of old visionshaper 😭😭

Tbh rouge just wasnt a game a new player waste all their time to learn without friends or looking up tutorials or wiki

As someone whos played both and was a top 50 pvper in rogue deepwoken is simply a better game

huh rogue didn't even fail lol, deepwoken was just a new game they made, so rogue lineage obviously fell back

For a lack of better words Rogue is just from a different era of Roblox. Wouldn't consider it "dying" though.